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This dude really said poggers in a video about baseball lmao
I was shocked
It was pretty poggers
It was fucking sick
He also used the fire sale song from black ops zombies
normie emote 4WeirdW
If there’s an exception to the three-batter rule for injuries, I’m expecting to see full-on soccer flops on the mound this season.
Pyroman / yup
C.J. Zimmerman wonder about the pitcher intentionally getting ejected by the umps after first batter?
@@limerind7493 this is even better than flopping
Give yourself a blister real quick.☝️🖕👍🤕☠
The end of an inning!
The fire sale music while the Dodgers hit had me rolling
Swearrrrrrrr
Was gonna say the same thing
Brooooo fr
frrrrrrr burhhhhhh
Thank you lol. I knew it was zombies music. Couldn’t remember what specifically it was.
As a Brewers fan, this series shortened my life and deeply hurt me in a way nothing has since my dog died
I’m sorry
I hear ya. The 2018 season was something special, but losing so close to the world series makes me hate these big money teams even more
Wade Miley just threw a no hitter 😂 not a fake pitcher after All
might have been better to call him a "decoy pitcher" cause the boy can throw!
"It's not about whether you win or lose. Sometimes it's about how many pages you add to the rulebook."
Except the 3 batter rule has nothing to do with this. It's about keeping teams from switching pitchers for every batter in the late innings.
This was my favorite move of all time. Absolutely brilliant, and even if it didn't win the Brewers the series, it may have lost the Dodgers the world series. The move put a bullseye on the shortcomings of the Dodgers sluggers...namely the splits that some of their best lefties couldn't hit lefties, and their best righties couldn't hit righties, they had to use a completely different lineup versus each. It became the biggest talking point of the World Series, and it basically let the Red Sox able to pick which lineup it wanted to face, and could make them keep guessing by not naming their starter very far in advance. Plus it had to be in the minds of the Dodgers that Sox might be able to pull some kind of similar trick and leave them scrambling to counter it. It was like Rocky II when we were all waiting for Rocky to switch to southpaw vs Apollo Creed. The Red Sox owe the Brewers for giving them the HUGE mental edge in that series.
"Decoy Pitcher" is a better name...
Its always amazing to me that someone takes so much advantage in a rule that they change the rule. Like Willie Mays tagging at 3rd on a fly ball. He'd get up the left field line and hit the bag full speed when the catch was made. They made a rule that you had to be in contact with the bag. Who can name other rule changes that players/managers forced the league to change?
In the 1880s/1890s there was a HOF player named King Kelly. There were several rule changes enacted because of him. The most famous story is that back in the day, the rule for substitutions was simply that they had to be announced to the umpire. Late in a close game that Kelly wasn't playing in, an opposing player hit a soft foul pop-up near the Boston dugout. Kelly saw that the catcher had no chance of catching it, so he yells "Kelly now catching for Boston!" jumped out of the dugout, and caught the ball. Obviously, the other team protested, but the umpires agreed there was no rule that stated substitutions couldn't happen mid-play.
don Whiteley seriously? That’s hilarious if that’s true
if you arent limiting this to baseball, you have the "Mel Blount Rule" making it illegal to contact the WR after 5 yards.
2:50 I immediately went into fire sale zombie mode an started panning the skies for mystery boxes.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Every time something interesting happens in baseball, Manfred does what he can to ruin it.
Its "corporate sports" now. Most of these people dont give two-shits about baseball, just the cash.
I mean I understand where he’s coming from. You don’t want every team to start doing this and it lowers the amount of pitching changes which makers the game faster, but yeah it sucks that they got rid of the ability to do it.
Lookin’ at the title like “wtf is a *fake* pitcher?”
What is a fake pitcher
Yeah very misled title.
Click bait
“Fake Starting Pitcher” would be more accurate
An exceeding long video with a "fake" misleading title. Last watch for me of a Stark Raving Sports video. Rule: Don't insult the real fans.
I'm glad you mentioned Ted Power, because that was exactly the same strategy. The problem for the Pirates is that Lou Piniella, the manager of the Reds, knew it was a stunt and didn't switch out his lineup because of it. Power pitched fine, but the Reds still won the game. As for Power, he was a reliever all season, but did start 85 games in his career, so it wasn't something he had never done before.
Nice job British baseball narrator dude. ;)
Wait what!?😅
Would you say he Made The Cut?😂
He is clearly British, just using American accent. I've picked up on it before. He slips out sometimes, like the ending of this video.
@@rand2002 As a British person, I can tell you that's not a real British accent.
@@Jacko19916 I think your Australian, using a British accent . I can tell by the way you type.
This channel is like the perfect balance between the high production values and professionalism(ish) of SB Nation and the shitposting antics of UrinatingTree. I love it!
Bill James had an essay about this in his book on managers. He concluded that it wasn't done more often because it was just a pain in the butt.
Craig Counsell when he makes another weird strategic decision:
'*Now this is what I call a pro gamer move*'
A while back Earl Weaver did the opposite, he started an off day starting pitcher at DH just to make sure he had the correct lefty/righty batter in case the opposing pitcher left the game before the DH came to bat
I happened to land on your video through curiosity learning something new. And yes I stuck it to the end! Nice work!
Check you history. This was a ploy sometimes done by Paul Richards, legendary Orioles and White Sox. He would start a pitcher, usually a righty, to get the opposing manager to load up his line up with lefties. Then bring in a left handed pitcher. I have seen this move done by other managers as well. I don't understand why this maneuver is being credited to Cousel?
Unfortunately Manfred is ruining the game and tries to appeal to the casuals vs actual fans, and imposed the new rule.
Eddie Juarez so true. The rules have worked since the 1800s why change now
Eddie Juarez he doesn’t actually know baseball
The new rule impacts how small markets can compete. Now youre pretty much screwed if you dont have a Elite rotation...
Eddie Juarez I agree 100%. If it ain't broken don't fix it... smh
Appeal to casuals yet that hardly works, hes fumbling the entire league.
“Pitching is changing”
2020: NEW RECORD! Astros get hit with the most pitches!
I'm about to ruin this man's whole career. Am I a joke to you? Who's watching this in 2020?
Frosty Fight 162 HBP
I stuck in through the end, and you’ve earned yourself a sub my man. Great content and keep up the good work!
Wow. You really surprised the heck out of me with that accent. You had me fooled the whole time. I'm glad you're back though. Puts a little spring feeling into the cold weather up here in Canada. Keep up the good work and the great content I'll be following all year.
Really not a big fan of the 3 batter minimum. Changing strategy of the game to shorten the game slightly for those big beautiful TV contracts seems pretty awful. Also great video.
jaryd mercer I concour
Buncha teams butthurt that a team with 1/4th of their pitching salary found a way to win. Big money teams can't have that....MLB is pay to win.
I actually disagree. I’m a baseball geek. I 100000% understand the strategy behind changing a pitcher for certain hitters, but that’s just annoying. Last year I watched an inning where 4 relievers came in with out giving up a run, all so they could have the “perfect matchup” that half inning was probably 30 min, and just not fun to watch. Strategy play is good, but in some instances like this it’s just killing the fun in the game. We want action. Runs, hits, homers
@@Palacemalicee then MLB needs to even the field. Take a page from the NFL and implement salary caps and revenue sharing. You can't force a $80 million dollar team play like $200 million dollar team. The 2 starting pitchers for the Nats who knocked the Brewers out of the playoffs this year, INDIVIDUALLY, make more than the entire Brewers pitching staff. Scherzer and Strasburg.
@@Palacemalicee You shouldn't have to change a long historied sport just to appeal to the waining attention spans of the era. I wanna see long games, strategy and finesse, and defense.
"That game is more famous for a pebble. Yeah....Look it up."
This is fascinating because it's such a throwaway line. That pebble (along with Snodrass's Muff in 1912, and Sam Rice's catch in 1925) would be talked about in the 40's and 50's the way we talk about the Buckner play or Kirk Gibson's HR today.
I’m so confused. I can’t find anything on the pebble. What is that about?
Glad to have you back❤️
Good job on the accents at the end! Yes, I listened to the whole video.
That EDP clip aged so poorly.
2:08 G sups eh? I see you too are a man of culture
Just watching this after wade threw the no hitter😂
This strategy is/was specifically perfect for the dodgers of recent years because so many platoon spots. Like up to 5 players I think could be different in their lineup in recent years. Also earned a sub good video
Strategy I want to see for a visiting team in an NL park: take your best bench hitter and announce him as the starting pitcher. Bat him 3rd. Pull him for the real starting pitcher after the top of the 1st. Dual benefit of having the other team not know the real SP and having the pitcher come up to bat fewer times.
Could also do it for a regular starter that you want to give the day off other than an at bat. But I think mlbs new rule about two way players/position player pitching wouldnt allow it anyway even if they dont technically pitch
Bennett Wilcox that sounds genius. Lol.
Isn’t there a rule that he would have to face one batter? Also then you have the pitcher hitting 3rd the rest of the game.
Red Lights yeah, but it is just one batter. If he just walked them, the actual starter could finish off the rest of the game or go into the sixth inning or whatever. And not exactly, the manager could just adjust the line-up order, I think. As far as I know it isn’t against the rules to change the line-up order, as long as there is eight batters between the first and second time a batter is used.
That's kinda of a waste if you need to make a strategic decision late in the game that involves your best non starting hitter. Getting a hit or a homer early is not as important as getting one late if the game is close.
craig counsell looked like the middle school kid whose mom brought him mcdonalds at lunch when he came out to switch miley
Let's go Astros!!!
Y'all heard me!!
Also, I stuck it out to the end.🤟🏻😅🔥
love the channel!
"I hate my voice. It's absolutely disgusting . . ." Yep, stayed with you till the end.
I’d like to add another instance of when this sorta happened on accident.
Babe Ruth one time walked a guy, punched an umpire. Get ejected. For his replacement to pitch a perfect game (that doesn’t count as one)
Your style is very close to the SB Nation guys, good for you. It’s a good format and video essay style.
i loved that you use the cod zombies fire sale theme for the montage keep up the good work love the vids
When he said the series loss to the astros is looked at a little bit differently today I started dying
3:26 I was at that game. The greatest game I’ve ever been to in any sport ever
I could have went but wasn’t a baseball fan at the time
"theres always a starting pitcher"
Rays: Are you sure about that?
good use of fire sale music 🙏🏼👾
"And it worked." *Proceeds to explain how they lost the game and Woodruff gave up more runs than his team earned*
FR. Not what I expected.
The Dodgers loaded their lineup with right-handed hitters because the announced starter was left-handed, which was what the Brewers wanted. It accomplished its intended purpose by keeping several of the Dodgers' best hitters out of the lineup. The Brewers just weren't able to win the game despite the ploy.
It would be interesting to point out that against the Red Sox in the 2018 World Series, the Dodgers also elected to sit lefty hitters like Muncy, Bellinger, and Grandal against Boston's lefty loaded rotation (led by Chris Sale and David Price). The Red Sox won the World Series with the help of two dominant wins by Price (and Sale earned the save in the clinching game).
@@VeritasMiles But the ploy didn't really work as the real starter gave up 3 runs against the lineup they wanted.
So starting pitcher throws to the first batter, argues a called ball four. He is ejected from game new pitcher come in.
Yeah what are they going to do, make getting ejected an ejectable offense? 🤣🤣🤣
@@zym6687 haha... well they could hand out suspensions to those argumentative ejections. Idk. I stumbled upon this video. I dont watch baseball. But laughed at these comments
Modern problems require modern solutions!
Really. SP (FAKE stand-in) charges the batter. Option him back to Triple A. Works for me.
This is incredible!
Dodgers hitting montage begins, *fire sale music begins playing*
I remember that, and when they announced he was the starter, I was like, "Who? Wade what?" Lol! It's good to know why they did that
This man really said "POGGERS" 😂
Dude I think you have a great voice. I think everyone hates their voice but you have a genuinely good voice.
I just laughed like my Dad IRL.
Things are changing!
This fake pitcher threw a no no
All I could think of while lasting through 3 minutes of this video was... "Get on with it!"
I do agree somewhat that the setup was a bit long. I appreciate how quickly jomboy sets the scene and then gets into the action. But I think long form content can be good if it's information dense.
2020 now: Relief pitcher starts and pitchs 1 inning
Manager: PUT IN THE ACE. THE OLD SWITCH-ARO
Hey the brittish guy! Haha. Good content man.
*edit: oh wait lmao I commented this before I actually watched the video and he literally talks about this at 5:13. bruh moment
Funny thing is... the 1924 Senators (now the Twins) actually tried pretty much the exact same thing as the Brewers in *Game 7 of the WS* by starting some unheralded righthander, then pulling him for a _lefty_ veteran starter 2 batters later so that the Giants' batting lineup wasn't prepared to face a lefty but was forced to anyways. I guess it worked bc they won that game, and interestingly that was also the only championship the franchise won in D.C.
also Manfred's new rules suuuuuck lol
You could just do that same thing and then have him get ejected on purpose. Either you'd have to replace him or they'd have to let him finish the inning before they ejected him. That'd be some next level shit lol.
Jolly good mate..
Loving the British voice, man!
I don’t know why this is in my recommendations buttt I liked it besides the edp part 😂
You lost me at poggers
actually though i did not expect to hear that here
Hydroxoid xqcL
Is this an NL special?
I went straight for the comment section
Dude WTF You Have a PERFECT "Voice Over" Voice!
I guess Everyone Hates their Voice when they Listen to it on a Recording!
I was a handball (not the olympic sport played in the field but the inner city game played against a wall ) player growing up in Brooklyn. We used a pink, rubber ball called the Spaulding Hi-bounce ball. To make it bounce even higher, we would inject it with glue and pump it up with a bicycle pump. There was one player whose serve was so spectacular he shutout most of the other players. Many years after he left the game and he was over the hill, I persuaded him to tell me how he was able to serve the ball the way he did. To make a long story short, the way he explained it led me to conclude that his approach resulted in a serve with little or no spin after the ball left his hand. Therefore, when the ball made contact with the floor, it created much less resistance than what we (the receivers) were used to. So, it threw off our timing when the ball didn’t slow down the way we anticipated it to! In addition to this technique, he was former body builder who was very strong. Lastly, he knew how to use leverage in his serve which began with his lower extremities and increased his power as he worked his way up through his body. It reminds me of how it’s said Rocky Marciano was able to generate such great power-it started from his legs. Perhaps another way of thinking about it would be to consider how some advanced martial artists are able to train themselves to harness the the strength in their bodies to create chi (spelling?) and redirect it on one smaller point, like the hand or fist, for example.
3:01 I can't believe this dude used Black Ops 1 (The best game ever) music in a video, that is easily the biggest curveball of the day.
Do you remember what song it’s called? The tune sounds so familiar.
FIRE SALE. No way hahaha Solid ear man.
@@TiMbObJoY Yes sir!
Just threw a no hitter vs the Indians last night
Man the Yellow on those Pirates uni’s is obnoxious. I love it.
Man that voice thing you said at the end hits close to home, it’s been the main issue I have with actually editing stuff from when I stream, because of some replacement teeth (slight hockey whoopsie) There are some “s” sounds where they ought not to be that I can hear, and it bugs me.
have looked everywhere for this pebble thing you were talking about, but i can find nothing about it. links please?
Your “English” accent drifts into Australian a bit lol
hehehehe that EDP clip didnt age well
Jolly good, sir!
I do say
hahah gotta love the EDP cameo
Hear me out, this is going to sound like the dumbest idea ever, but I imagine the future of pitching to go the way of Hockey?
You rarely see pitchers pitch complete games anymore (let alone perfect games/no-hitters), in addition you even MORE rarely see 20 game winners anymore! There's another problem, the closer, closers blew more saves last season than ever before, there were more walk-off wins than ever before. I don't know if this is a talent problem, or the fact that it's PREDICTABLE! Teams are just sitting on relievers now, because relievers make more appearances than starters (34 starts max for most starting pitchers, some relievers appear more than 80 times a season!), regardless on the amount of innings pitched, this means batters see certain relievers more frequently! So they know how to beat em! Well, if starters can't go 5 innings anymore, and if closers are just getting shelled... Than how about a 3 man rotation, every game? It would make the 3 batter minimum rule irrelevant, AND put more importance on sabremetric stats to know who's truly a good pitcher or not! Think about a 12 man pitching crew, it used to be 5 starters, 6 relievers, 1 closer, now, they're just PITCHERS! You set up a NEW KIND OF ROTATION! 3 rotations of 9 pitchers, Day 1 will have 1 combo of pitchers, day 2 has another set, day 3 has the final set, then bam we're back to day 1 for the next series! These pitchers are then limited to just 3 innings per appearance, so you still have starters, but now you have 3 closers, and 3 middle pitchers. What about the 3 other pitchers? They're emergency relievers if a pitcher is having a bad game, so that you don't have to pull a guy from the next day's rotation!
So what does this have to do with hockey? They do the same thing for their forward lines, each team has 4 lines, some teams play all 4, but some play 3 and the 4th line is the emergency line. For the teams that do the latter, their 4th line could be aging veterans while giving the youngsters playing time, or vice versa, they need a future team? Make the 4th line the rookie line! Baseball teams can do the same thing!
What this does is it adds a new level of strategy, who do you start? Who finishes? Do you put your best pitchers in the 1st 3 innings? The Middle 3? Or close em out?
There is 1 problem, how do you determine wins/losses? That's the part I haven't thought out yet, as to where to determine a pitcher won a game or not.
It does sound dumb, but it is actually way beyond dumb. Are you related to Rob Manfred?
I dont know about "sets" of 3 pitchers that stay together, but a 3 man rotation where max innings is 3 or 4, and go for best matchups after that? And the last problem you stated really IS a problem, because wins are how these guys get paid. You wont be able to find above average pitchers willing to sabotage their careers like this. If you had a team like the Indians in Major League, that is about the only time I could see something like this being doable. Interesting idea though.
The idea is a novel one, but in reality, with 3 rotations of 3 men, you're requiring these rotations will have to pitch on 2 days rest?
That's a horrible idea, in the era where pitchers cannot come close to competing with pitchers of old, in terms of stamina.....innings pitched, complete games, etc. Listen to people like Palmer talk sometime. He describes throwing more not less. I don't know how modern pitchers ARE NOT going to Jim Palmer for advice. Two four year streaks of 20+ wins sandwiched around a season of elbow injury. Imagine if that season went like the others, and we had a guy in baseball history with 9 consecutive 20+ win seasons? Anyone worth talking about on the list of strings of consecutive 20+ win seasons are all pre 1935 pitchers, except, Warren Spahn, Jim Palmer, Fergie Jenkins, and Bob Lemon. Spahn at 13 seasons of 20+ wins, with 6 straight being the most. Palmer, like I said 2 strings of 4 separated by an elbow injury season. Fergie Jenkins also had 6 consecutive 20+ win seasons with 7 total. And Bob Lemon had 2 strings of 3 20+ wins out of his 7 total. Of these 4 amazing pitchers, Palmer had the fewest complete games in any of the 20+ win season, at 17. That's right, 17 complete games were the FEWEST of all the 20+ win seasons by these 4 pitchers. In fact, Palmer had the two lowest CG totals for those years, 17 and 19.
I get the whole sabrmetrics stuff, I became a member of SABR back in 1988 before I even graduated from high school. So I'm not against the statistical perspective. To make your idea work, you'd need to do a couple things.....1) determine with the decrease in innings, if pitchers could recover quicker to pitch on 2 days rest, or 2) have 5 rotations of 3 men, to stay on the traditional days of rest, which would require an expansion in roster size. Though I'm into the SABR side of things, I'm also a purest. I wouldn't be for expanding the roster to speed up the games and effectively make the rosters easier for managers to manage. Nice out of the box thinking, but no thanks.
@@nik040271 the minimum number of pitches through 3 innings is 27, the number where pitchers are normally required to rest a full 5 days (starters) is 85, so unless the pitcher is doing really bad, that's where the 4th line comes in in emergency. So if a pitcher pitches 85 pitches in a game, throw in a 4th line pitcher in relief, and so that pitcher can get rest, start a different pitcher in that line for the next game. I've thought that too, but relievers can pitch from anywhere from 1-50 pitches and come back on 1-3 days rest themselves, so it's not much different. Not to mention it's limited to one 3 game series, so if there's a day off, that 1st line gets 3 days rest.
But I don't disagree, I'm sick of the coddling too of pitchers, Justin Verlander imho is the last great Ace Starting Pitcher, a guy who can go 7-9 innings and basically give your bullpen the night off. There are NO other starting pitchers that come to mind that can average more than 5 innings per game. My argument is that if MLB is going to continue coddling pitchers, then you might as well come up with a different pitching system, because right now relief pitchers are getting hammered, closers can't close out games, and starters can't even last 5 innings to get wins. The game has changed and you and I understandably don't like it, I get it. I love playing Ken Griffey Baseball n64 and get complete games every time I'm pitching with Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Clemens, etc., but that's a bygone era now.
@@nik040271 1 thing I just remembered, in the golden age, pitchers like Cy Young pitched from 40-50 games a season, which was 2 days rest considering 154 game seasons, which sounds just like my suggestion. So considering pitch counts and innings, (and if pitchers pitch the max 3 innings per game out of 54 appearances, it = 162 innings, compare that to Cy Young's 453 in his prime), the only thing to worry about is pitch count.
who's hear after he threw the no hitter
I was at this game. When the new pitcher got lit up we all mocked the brewers dugout. Good times :)
Lol that ending had my head spinning
Wade Miley throws no hitter...
“Poggers” 🤣
2:40 This segment is PERFECT!!!!
i’m proud to say i watched the whole video
wade miley no hitter
It’s amazing how one of the most insane strategic managerial decisions in MLB history led to one of the worst rule implementations in MLB history.
I actually had no idea that things like that we're going on.considering how long the MLB has existed it surprises me that this hasn't been attempted more
Nice vid man your voice is beautiful
2:34 Second time. Only other pennant was in 1982
Yeah, I think he might have been thrown by the fact that the Milwaukee *Braves* made the Series once. If you're running down a list of pennant-winners, you could mistake one for the other.
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I was at this game and everyone around us was so confused. Thankfully this little gimmick didn't pan out.
The fire sale song🤌🏽 beautifully placed
My dad played OOTP all the time back in the day and he told me that he would do this in every playoff game and his team would be much better because of it. I tried it in OOTP and The Show as well and it worked.
I've always wondered how it was never used.
Bro Dan Jennings is lucky to be alive after that comebacker that gave him a fatal concussion
It took you 10 minutes to say something that could of taken 10 seconds.
Well, more like 7 minutes to say 1 minute's worth of content, but your point still stands. This is CZcams though, and for whatever reason I'm too lazy to research longer videos apparently mean more revenue, so everyone stretches their content way too long.
So you don’t like stories.
Tony LaRussa did this a few years before and he managed to throw in a largely engineered rain delay along with it.
The fact I paused my zombies game to watch this and then the fire sale music came on lmao 😂
Ok never use poggers again
Left the video at that point
dude.. Don't say "Poggers" out loud.
Really BO3 zombies music in the background? That is freaking awesome!! I hope he knows that's where that music is from
Woodruff was one of the best hitters in our area of Mississippi growing up, dude just launched balls. Crazy Miss State didn’t allow him to swing the bat
Like if we should impeach rob manfred
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I cant believe i just watched a homerun compilation over a fire sale
There are times though in baseball where a manager will have a new pitcher that recently joined the team get a start to get an idea if they would be a great starting pitcher, a relief pitcher, or a saving pitcher for the game… and sometimes the starting pitcher might go through the whole 9 inning game. (At least it’s like that for independent baseball)