OK Pete....every time you are about to break a news story somebody does it before you because they know what you are writing about. No big deal? Coaches are fired for losing to Michigan.....families have to move. Ask the coaches at Penn State or Rutgers if they think it's a big deal. Do you think CJ Stroud had been affected. Of course OSU teams were most affected because they were most scouted. If OSU makes the playoffs $ and recruiting is affected. But his actions affected many people and it's amazing how people in the media failed to understand that.
I loved the part when they were talking about beating an awful Mich St team as proof they weren't cheating. Then he hires the guy who defended Johnny Football and BP. Yup, he did noooooootttthhhiiinnnngggg wrong. He nailed the NCCA interview. "I don't recall."
@@blkillia Honestly, obtaining info about others cheating makes cheating, ok? Obtaining info illegally is wrong. I don't care too much about that. it has nothing to do with play on the field. Maybe if the NCAA had intervened sooner, others wouldn't have to act on their own. The whole B1G is a joke after this. Maybe just strip Michigan of their title and all their wins over the 3 ish years. Then strip Ohio their wins for the 1 year. But it's the NCAA, so nothing will happen before the NCAA has no control over CFP anymore. Most pointless organization I can think of.
@@blkillia So, another team steals the info the cheater is using to cheat and turns the cheater in. Totally see the deselect. Ok, so the NCAA should remove all of Michigan's wins while the cheater was there. Then, remove the other teams one year of wins when they stole his stolen signs. Is a Michigan man a man who is proud of winning like this? Looking at tonight's game, Michigan is back to pre-cheating years.
@@blkillia The NCAA won't do anything to anybody. They are losing CFB fast. That being said, I still think the cheating is worse for the game than somebody stealing emails proving that they were cheating.
MSU Purdue PSU MARYLAND OSU IOWA BAMA WASH - All were beat after the story broke - What do you have to say about that? I think if they truly had an advantage how do they not lose one of those games?
1) Yes, many Michigan fans enjoyed the "documentary" because it showed us winning all our games and the National Championship. 2) It's one thing to say that the Harbaugh show cause "doesn't matter" (which I could debate) but it's a very curious thing to say that a ban/show cause for Stalions "doesn't matter." It matters to Stalions a great deal, I'm sure. It impacts his career severely. I assume what Pete really meant was it won't impact Michigan. I guess the continued punishment of Stalions does not impact Michigan but of course Michigan has already been punished (lost Stalions mid-season who had a permitted role as sign stealer, lost Partridge mid-season, had Harbaugh suspended for three games at the end of the year). It's kind of strange to me how everyone keeps acting like Michigan has yet to be punished. There will be additional punishments from the NCAA, but Michigan has already had consequences. Just because they overcame it doesn't mean it wasn't a punishment. 3) Both Ryan and Pete talk about Michigan and Stalions having a lack of remorse. Ryan compared it to Tennessee saying "Whoops we're sorry" and saying that's why Tennessee came away okay. This is hilarious to me because of course UT was facing a bowl ban but threatened to sue the NCAA--which they later did anyway about something else--which is why the NCAA tucked their tail. The notion that Tennessee rolled over and played dead is fantasy. I agree with the assessment of Stalions--unapologetic and clearly lying at times in the documentary. (Of course since he maintains he did nothing wrong, there's nothing to apologize for.) As for Michigan--which the hosts keep conflating with Stalions--I understand where they are coming from with saying that Michigan is unapologetic, but it's a little unfair to make a straight comparison to others, such as Tennessee (again, who threatened to, and later did, sue the NCAA) since Michigan was being asked to apologize in the middle of an ongoing season. The stakes were very different. That doesn't excuse anything, but it provides some context. And while it's possible Pete knows exactly how all conversations went down verbatim between the NCAA and Big Ten and Michigan from October on, the rest of us only know pieces. And from my perspective, what I see is a school who parted ways with a cheating staffer (who they rushed to say was fired even though he actually resigned) and then later fired a coach when wrongdoing was pointed out. I know that some in the media and all rival fan bases wanted Harbaugh to admit he cheated in October, but I believe all we know at this point is that he oversaw a staff where Stalions had the job to legally steal signs, which includes advance scouting (just not in-person). 4) I don't speak for all Michigan fans, obviously, but I feel that the hosts (probably from their personal experiences and interactions since October) believe Michigan fans are rah-rah Stalions. From the beginning, it has been divided and in many cases nuanced how people feel. I think there was some hope for a long time now that Stalions found a loophole (other than the CMU thing, which is believed to have been for CMU's benefit and not Michigan's) and it would be understood that Michigan really didn't cheat by the letter of the law and that the correct interpretation would exonerate Stalions and Michigan. Since it turns out Stalions isn't even claiming he found a loophole--rather he's saying people needlessly sent him videos that he didn't ask for or use (a pretty obvious lie)--and the fact that Michigan didn't fund it as a program, on the books at least (another indication the operation is not actually viewed as legitimate by Stalions), then I think it becomes harder to claim it was thought to be within the rules. I know plenty of people will still hold on to that, but I do not find that to be the prevailing argument. It never was the primary argument for Michigan (the school or fans) at large and it's even less so now. In other words, despite what the video's hosts present, I believe Michigan (fans and school) is accepting that violations occurred. 5) It's interesting that Ryan heard the NCAA as laughing at the lawyer for asking about how their source obtained the private data owned by Stalions. To me, I heard a flustered response, caught off-guard and uncomfortable, with nervous laughter. I did not hear uproarious guffaws at the clownish lawyer as Ryan did. I'm not suggesting that the NCAA is covering anything up or that their source violated any laws. I have no idea and no evidence (that I'm aware of) exists to strongly suggest it. But I still found the NCAA's reaction to be one of nervousness because they were unprepared for being interrogated themselves and were aware that the video call was being recorded. However, it is possible that Ryan's interpretation was correct, that the NCAA was dumbstruck by the outlandish question and they had to stifle laughter because of the hilarity of it all.
@@DegenerateSpeculator even IF you think it's fair to label this cheating (and I'm not sure how a rational human being could). I would love to hear how opponents in the important part of 2023 feel they got cheated.
Connor Stallions rules. I’m sorry to the rival schools that hate it but this dude graduated as an officer from the US Naval Academy, served in the marines and showed an unreal amount of focus, drive and determination. On top of it…undying loyalty. You can make him a villain but he’s actually a legend. My guy had too much Wolverine in him 😂 Go Blue 〽️🫡
I thought this highlighted the sickness that some fans have with sports. It’s just for fun, a game, like checkers. People need to get a grip. It’s entertainment. His mom instilled in him that the most important thing in life was Michigan football??? Smdh That’s so sad.
@@DoubleDDeacon he was ridiculously obsessed with “his” team winning a game to the point of crazy cheating to “win”. So silly and deeply immature. And now no major program that can pay him big money will touch him with a 100 ft pole.
@@vw8886 yep, for them it matters. I get it. Sick culture that we live in makes entertainers stupid rich and leaves paramedics, people who actually save lives, poor, but that’s what it is. But these fans, raising your kid to think that Michigan football is the most important thing in life? Jesus, that’s sick. And he bought in hook line and sinker, brainwashed. The irony is of his mother making her life about her team being a winner makes her a loser.
@@Mmmmchocolate Once his ban is up, he'll coach again, watch. And he isn't crazy. A lot of these coaches are more obsessed than him, sleeping in facilities, never seeing their families. It becomes life. You don't have that passion, so you wouldn't understand.
@@zrussom998 it's going to be even crazier watching them strip their record and titles for the last 3 years,and crazier still watching their fans cry when they see everybody but them in post season play the next couple of years.Just think they might even induct U of * into the Lance Armstrong cheaters HOF.
Y they say M didn’t have signs forOhSt and bama and couldn’t use from sky box, since he had already scouted ahead and certainly had the info in the spreadsheet? How do we know he didn’t let them have it. Surely he would. Is it because they assume the scouted teams changed their signs? Has that been confirmed that they did? Did ohst and bama change their signs before they played? Haven’t heard.
Pete needs to get out of Journalism. His interpretation of story is absolutely horrible. He's very bias, he does not know how play both sides of the story.
You guys have alll this budget and this guy is doing this podcast from his truck. I would fire this producer. I mean what the heck. You would think Disney would have a higher standard of quality….ooooph.
The self awareness of just hating on Conor and Michigan while you well know that every team is doing illegal things. Advanced scouting, illegal recruiting, paying players (prior NIL), get off your high horses no one is clean.
You two are the consummate fools. Thamel is the definition of disingenuous. There is no case here-all speculation. No body at Michigan has anything to apologize at this time.
You two could be caricatures of yourselves. Do ya’ll have real jobs, or is this your only gig?😂 It’s hard to tell if ya’ll are amateurs or just bad professionals. Maybe you don’t really know the game, as Joel Klatt, Deion Sanders, Paul Finebaum and others have said. Oh… and BTW… there is a lot that was left out that is going on that wasn’t even touched on. Crappy show, guys. Have a great day!😂
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Cheaters and Best*! Asterisks forever
😂😂😂
Listening to this at work… when did Kenny Powers start working at ESPN!?
OK Pete....every time you are about to break a news story somebody does it before you because they know what you are writing about. No big deal? Coaches are fired for losing to Michigan.....families have to move. Ask the coaches at Penn State or Rutgers if they think it's a big deal. Do you think CJ Stroud had been affected. Of course OSU teams were most affected because they were most scouted. If OSU makes the playoffs $ and recruiting is affected. But his actions affected many people and it's amazing how people in the media failed to understand that.
😂😂😂
They are all millionaires please stop whining like these people were living paycheck to paycheck.
Ohio St keeps losing because they can't control the line of scrimmage.
@@samuelgainey8336 nah the sign sad to tackle Donovan Edwards so they didn't tackle him.
@@blkillia 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I loved the part when they were talking about beating an awful Mich St team as proof they weren't cheating. Then he hires the guy who defended Johnny Football and BP. Yup, he did noooooootttthhhiiinnnngggg wrong. He nailed the NCCA interview. "I don't recall."
So will the NCAA source how they obtained private info or will that be ignored?
@@blkillia Honestly, obtaining info about others cheating makes cheating, ok? Obtaining info illegally is wrong. I don't care too much about that. it has nothing to do with play on the field. Maybe if the NCAA had intervened sooner, others wouldn't have to act on their own. The whole B1G is a joke after this. Maybe just strip Michigan of their title and all their wins over the 3 ish years. Then strip Ohio their wins for the 1 year.
But it's the NCAA, so nothing will happen before the NCAA has no control over CFP anymore. Most pointless organization I can think of.
@@blkillia So, another team steals the info the cheater is using to cheat and turns the cheater in. Totally see the deselect.
Ok, so the NCAA should remove all of Michigan's wins while the cheater was there. Then, remove the other teams one year of wins when they stole his stolen signs.
Is a Michigan man a man who is proud of winning like this?
Looking at tonight's game, Michigan is back to pre-cheating years.
@@blkillia The NCAA won't do anything to anybody. They are losing CFB fast.
That being said, I still think the cheating is worse for the game than somebody stealing emails proving that they were cheating.
Cheats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MSU Purdue PSU MARYLAND OSU IOWA BAMA WASH - All were beat after the story broke - What do you have to say about that? I think if they truly had an advantage how do they not lose one of those games?
He can’t show remorse if he is insistent that he didn’t do it. That’d be admitting guilt. He apologizes and he admits any wrongdoing.
1) Yes, many Michigan fans enjoyed the "documentary" because it showed us winning all our games and the National Championship.
2) It's one thing to say that the Harbaugh show cause "doesn't matter" (which I could debate) but it's a very curious thing to say that a ban/show cause for Stalions "doesn't matter." It matters to Stalions a great deal, I'm sure. It impacts his career severely. I assume what Pete really meant was it won't impact Michigan. I guess the continued punishment of Stalions does not impact Michigan but of course Michigan has already been punished (lost Stalions mid-season who had a permitted role as sign stealer, lost Partridge mid-season, had Harbaugh suspended for three games at the end of the year). It's kind of strange to me how everyone keeps acting like Michigan has yet to be punished. There will be additional punishments from the NCAA, but Michigan has already had consequences. Just because they overcame it doesn't mean it wasn't a punishment.
3) Both Ryan and Pete talk about Michigan and Stalions having a lack of remorse. Ryan compared it to Tennessee saying "Whoops we're sorry" and saying that's why Tennessee came away okay. This is hilarious to me because of course UT was facing a bowl ban but threatened to sue the NCAA--which they later did anyway about something else--which is why the NCAA tucked their tail. The notion that Tennessee rolled over and played dead is fantasy.
I agree with the assessment of Stalions--unapologetic and clearly lying at times in the documentary. (Of course since he maintains he did nothing wrong, there's nothing to apologize for.) As for Michigan--which the hosts keep conflating with Stalions--I understand where they are coming from with saying that Michigan is unapologetic, but it's a little unfair to make a straight comparison to others, such as Tennessee (again, who threatened to, and later did, sue the NCAA) since Michigan was being asked to apologize in the middle of an ongoing season. The stakes were very different. That doesn't excuse anything, but it provides some context.
And while it's possible Pete knows exactly how all conversations went down verbatim between the NCAA and Big Ten and Michigan from October on, the rest of us only know pieces. And from my perspective, what I see is a school who parted ways with a cheating staffer (who they rushed to say was fired even though he actually resigned) and then later fired a coach when wrongdoing was pointed out. I know that some in the media and all rival fan bases wanted Harbaugh to admit he cheated in October, but I believe all we know at this point is that he oversaw a staff where Stalions had the job to legally steal signs, which includes advance scouting (just not in-person).
4) I don't speak for all Michigan fans, obviously, but I feel that the hosts (probably from their personal experiences and interactions since October) believe Michigan fans are rah-rah Stalions. From the beginning, it has been divided and in many cases nuanced how people feel. I think there was some hope for a long time now that Stalions found a loophole (other than the CMU thing, which is believed to have been for CMU's benefit and not Michigan's) and it would be understood that Michigan really didn't cheat by the letter of the law and that the correct interpretation would exonerate Stalions and Michigan. Since it turns out Stalions isn't even claiming he found a loophole--rather he's saying people needlessly sent him videos that he didn't ask for or use (a pretty obvious lie)--and the fact that Michigan didn't fund it as a program, on the books at least (another indication the operation is not actually viewed as legitimate by Stalions), then I think it becomes harder to claim it was thought to be within the rules. I know plenty of people will still hold on to that, but I do not find that to be the prevailing argument. It never was the primary argument for Michigan (the school or fans) at large and it's even less so now.
In other words, despite what the video's hosts present, I believe Michigan (fans and school) is accepting that violations occurred.
5) It's interesting that Ryan heard the NCAA as laughing at the lawyer for asking about how their source obtained the private data owned by Stalions. To me, I heard a flustered response, caught off-guard and uncomfortable, with nervous laughter. I did not hear uproarious guffaws at the clownish lawyer as Ryan did. I'm not suggesting that the NCAA is covering anything up or that their source violated any laws. I have no idea and no evidence (that I'm aware of) exists to strongly suggest it. But I still found the NCAA's reaction to be one of nervousness because they were unprepared for being interrogated themselves and were aware that the video call was being recorded. However, it is possible that Ryan's interpretation was correct, that the NCAA was dumbstruck by the outlandish question and they had to stifle laughter because of the hilarity of it all.
Missed-again is so done.
Sociopaths don’t feel or experience remorse !
Ryan's Wife: "really outside of ya'lls bubble, this isn't that big of deal deal."
Pete Thamel: [dead inside]
Michigan: Please stop talking about how we cheated you all for 3 years 😂
@@DegenerateSpeculator even IF you think it's fair to label this cheating (and I'm not sure how a rational human being could). I would love to hear how opponents in the important part of 2023 feel they got cheated.
Poor Pete didn't feel validated with the doc. All that work he was trying to do to make the Big story.
Connor was lying
Great reporting as always, ThamelToe!
Connor probably took the money to take the fall and is now realizing that it wasn't enough.
Connor Stallions rules. I’m sorry to the rival schools that hate it but this dude graduated as an officer from the US Naval Academy, served in the marines and showed an unreal amount of focus, drive and determination. On top of it…undying loyalty. You can make him a villain but he’s actually a legend. My guy had too much Wolverine in him 😂 Go Blue 〽️🫡
Longhorns fan, and I came out of that wishing he’d get his dream job.
All you UM fans celebrating being frauds because its better than what you were before they started cheating. What a bunch of cucks
lmao this is a meme post right 😂
@@Landonio LEGEND
I thought this highlighted the sickness that some fans have with sports. It’s just for fun, a game, like checkers. People need to get a grip. It’s entertainment. His mom instilled in him that the most important thing in life was Michigan football??? Smdh That’s so sad.
It's a job, one that you can literally get a college degree for now. A multi-billion dollar industry. Please don't be stupid
It may be a game for you, but it's big money for the schools, coaches and players.
@@DoubleDDeacon he was ridiculously obsessed with “his” team winning a game to the point of crazy cheating to “win”. So silly and deeply immature. And now no major program that can pay him big money will touch him with a 100 ft pole.
@@vw8886 yep, for them it matters. I get it. Sick culture that we live in makes entertainers stupid rich and leaves paramedics, people who actually save lives, poor, but that’s what it is. But these fans, raising your kid to think that Michigan football is the most important thing in life? Jesus, that’s sick. And he bought in hook line and sinker, brainwashed. The irony is of his mother making her life about her team being a winner makes her a loser.
@@Mmmmchocolate Once his ban is up, he'll coach again, watch. And he isn't crazy. A lot of these coaches are more obsessed than him, sleeping in facilities, never seeing their families. It becomes life. You don't have that passion, so you wouldn't understand.
Oh my god don’t tell me a staffer was standing with a coach! The tragedy!
The top coaches knew what he was doing. Come on, how else did they think he was so good, from watching televised games? 😂 Right. Ridiculous.
He is right. What Connor did to the players and the coaches was SO unfair.
LMFAO
No,what the U of * program did to their opponents who played by the rules and didn't cheat is what's unfair.🤔
@@markdunigan805 crazy how they continued beating everyone after the story broke like their best opponents.
@@zrussom998 it's going to be even crazier watching them strip their record and titles for the last 3 years,and crazier still watching their fans cry when they see everybody but them in post season play the next couple of years.Just think they might even induct U of * into the Lance Armstrong cheaters HOF.
@@markdunigan805 What a loser! Were you punching at the screen like a crybaby while you typed that? Cry harder! We love it!!!!
If you had a Samsung Galaxy phone you would have had enough zoom in to see if it was him or not! 😂
“All of our smart phones, they dont have the greatest zoom lenses on them”… “Except when Michigan uses them”. - Ryan McGee
Thamel is an embarrassment for ESPN. Pathetic network.
110% agree
From your “dodge ram” is the same as saying you’re in your “Chevrolet Chevy”😅
PETE "BACKTRACK" THAMEL GTFOH KLINGON! WHEN HE SAYS "MY SOURCES" YOU JUST ROLL YOUR KLINGON EYES AT HIM
You ok?
@@The__Kipster 😶😶🤣🤣
“Cheating” scheme 😂 what a liar.
lol the butthurt from pete over the netflix doc is hilarious.
😂😂😂😂😂
Not Lanning…
Ryan Day has a better winning percentage than Smart or anyone other than Saban even though he has no national title wins.
That phil steele magazine is mandatory
Y they say M didn’t have signs forOhSt and bama and couldn’t use from sky box, since he had already scouted ahead and certainly had the info in the spreadsheet? How do we know he didn’t let them have it. Surely he would. Is it because they assume the scouted teams changed their signs? Has that been confirmed that they did? Did ohst and bama change their signs before they played? Haven’t heard.
Conspiracy theorist extraordinaire. The fact is that this matter is all speculation.
@@mkwy8782 no one has disproven. oh, the things people will do to win. Think Jim is beyond pulling a Lance Armstrong? I don’t.
Like this guy even more after the doc bro michigan legend.
pretending conor scouted games is why pete has no credibility.
Just ask big boy pete about his manti te'o story
Who was that on the CMU sideline???? It's OK I'll wait? Goofy
@mrmetalpunx who was on the CMU sidelines against Mich. ST.?
Culture of cheating
@@user-ji5ui6if8z Blake Scott
Pete is soooo Butthurt
Pete needs to get out of Journalism. His interpretation of story is absolutely horrible. He's very bias, he does not know how play both sides of the story.
Sounds like you Pete. Look at me Look at me
Hi
You guys have alll this budget and this guy is doing this podcast from his truck. I would fire this producer. I mean what the heck. You would think Disney would have a higher standard of quality….ooooph.
Labour Day is my favourite holiday
Stalions will be head coach at Central Michigan University within the next 3 years.
It's was smear campaign
Blah Blah keep taking like puppets from last year and the year before too.
Are they mad that Netflix might have sports documentaries that are competing with ESPN’s 30 for 30?
That NOA Michigan got don’t care about I’m sorry lmao 🤣 Michigan fans are Karen’s now
lfg conner, sorry ahhh ohio!
He innocent
Almost got excited for Game Day until they reminded me with the pics Pat McCaffe was part of the show. Hard pass.
Connor came off bad. Thamel comes off even worse to me
The self awareness of just hating on Conor and Michigan while you well know that every team is doing illegal things. Advanced scouting, illegal recruiting, paying players (prior NIL), get off your high horses no one is clean.
You two are the consummate fools. Thamel is the definition of disingenuous. There is no case here-all speculation. No body at Michigan has anything to apologize at this time.
Your AD already admitted guilt.
You two could be caricatures of yourselves. Do ya’ll have real jobs, or is this your only gig?😂 It’s hard to tell if ya’ll are amateurs or just bad professionals. Maybe you don’t really know the game, as Joel Klatt, Deion Sanders, Paul Finebaum and others have said. Oh… and BTW… there is a lot that was left out that is going on that wasn’t even touched on. Crappy show, guys. Have a great day!😂