Ni Introverted Intuition | INTJ Perspective
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Hey all, as always I like continuing the conversation with you in the comments. Here I talk about the unconscious (pure Ni) and the conscious (Ni working with Te) ways that introverted intuition works.
As for this subject....If readings easier for you, I wrote about this exact thing here: www.ithinkifee...
Typing disclaimer: Hi my name is Lindsay, I'm an actual INTJ typed by actual professionals. I didn't choose this profile, it chose me.
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Great presentation. The way you articulated your message I was able to perfectly understand it which is surprising considering the complexity of the topic. Again great job. Thanks
Hey thanks so much, and thanks for acknowledging the complexity with the topic. It took a bit before I was finally like...magnet blocks it is!
See you too were able to you your puzzle solving skills to solve even your own puzzle lol. Ain’t these cool talents to have lol? Thanks for your response and once again your cool presentation.
Thanks L J , I really appreciate your gesture.
Thanks again
Ni makes me perform the best when I think the least, it’s like I go into this flow state where no matter how little expertise I have about anything, I instinctively find my way around it. It happens when I’m very relaxed, focused on finishing something, doing something I really enjoy (like playing an instrument or video games), meditating, or just half asleep. It’s like tapping into this “inner monk” of mine that just answers everything that comes to my mind automatically and in the most insightful way. I’ve told my close friends about it and they just look at me like I’m on drugs (Don’t even need them ha)
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"and they just look at me like I’m on drugs " ..... "Don’t even need them ha"
I relate to both of you haha... Ya'll putting my thoughts into words. Tbh it's really nice to know that there are others like me and I'm not the only weirdo
It's like winding up against history with origin
I get frustrated some times when people don't see things I see. When I was younger I thought it was just that people weren't paying attention to things or I was exposed to a greater variety of whatever. Realizing that it's just the way my mind works relieves me a little, but I'm not always as patient as I should be. Having to explain my thought process is so frustrating. I just kinda sit back and wait for things to fall apart, to then be proven right. I don't say I told you so... but I can't help reminding others they're doing the things I said should be done months after I said it.
Lol yeah I feel that
Yeah its like convincing my fat mum to exercise. I feel it
I can totally relate, I remember as a kid always wondering why people did not pick up on the patterns I was, it took me a while to realize they were more focused on the details, while I was paying attention to the patterns and overall concept.
Seriously it feels so lonely being able to predict so much but never being able to explain this vid helps
I just realized that the reason I’ve been questioning if I’m infj this whole time is because I never experienced this. My mom is intj and my dad is enfj so the way I processed things growing up was never special or unique to the people around me.
Before I knew I was an INTJ. I thought I was losing my mind. It was so busy and I honestly thought my brain was just... ya. Now I realise, through all the tests and research, it's completely normal for an INTJ. It's really comforting knowing that your brain is just doing its thing and there are other people out there that feel the same way.
Yesss it is comforting. That’s why I’m here for people.
When I learn things, I don't just learn the thing itself, but more toward the underlying principals of what I learn, and usually find a similar pattern when learning the other things. -INTJ
Isn’t that Ti?
I’m an INFJ, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard a more perfect explanation of Ni. Everything you said, I shouted “Amen!!!!” inside.
The way I’ve always thought of Ni is like a funnel or a vacuum cleaner. It gathers everything that’s kinda spread out into one place.
The other great explanation of Ni game from CS Joseph, who is an ENTP...kind of ironic...
“Ne is a shotgun, Ni is a precision rifle.”
A little simplistic but it’s a pretty good explanation of the basic difference.
I’m so glad you resonated with this!
I think this is the main reason why INTJs like myself seem arrogant, we know we are probably right even when we are presented with an alternative idea which seems it could work better, but we can't admit it because we have done that before only for our slow Ni to catchup ages later, to remember how it came up with the original idea -confirming the original idea.
Could be very true
Great explanation of both Ni functions, most forget that the unconscious Ni is always gathering data and seeking patterns to that data. The unconscious is operating much faster than the conscious so it is really the conscious database resource. The part about different than Si you hit right on the head. I'm married to an Si Dom and our communication outside the sensor realm is limited so I can be bogged down in over explaining and most times I DO NOT MAKE THE EFFORT! I explain it as the unconscious Ni already knows the answer it is waiting for the question to be asked.
Hahah you totally get it. Glad you checked the video out!
When I was taking calculus back in highschool, the teacher kept on hammering the quadratic formula on us. It’s this really long formula with lots of steps.
Me, being an INTJ, despised writing out all of these steps (proving my solution in a sensory way) and how it all seems so inefficient (bothers my Te).
So I went off and made my own formula, cutting down the 3 minute work time to 10 seconds, but the issue is... I was just writing the final answer, not the process to get to it.
It’s not that I simply didn’t want to bother writing down the process, but it’s that I couldn’t. I look at a problem and the answer appears. I know that my brain must be working out the process to solve things, but I simply was not understanding what it was doing. Since I never wrote down the process, my teacher kept on suspecting that I was using a calculator.
And that my friends was how I almost failed calculus, barely passing despite always having the correct answer.
TL;DR: My brain solved math problems unconsciously, resulting in me getting correct answers in lightning speeds, yet was unable to explain the process of getting to the answer itself.
@Your Mom
Nah, Ti is about “understanding", their logic is focused inwards, so they continuously build upon their own logical understanding of things. Thus they’re very knowledgeable, and excel in memory and formula based puzzles.
Te is about "efficiency", their logic is focused outwards, so they exert their logic to optimize existing systems in the physical world. Thus they’re very intelligent, and excel in strategy and efficiency based puzzles.
I can’t possibly be a Ti user as I find theoretic things extremely tedious, I despise having to memorize formulas, and it pisses me off that I have to show how I got to the answers. "Why does it matter if I can’t explain how I got the answers, if my answers are correct?" is a thought I always have, and is proof of me being a Te user (values efficiency instead of understanding).
Me going against the established rules was caused by my desire to do things more efficiently (Te) and with less physical work (inferior Se), so I created my own formula (Ni, not Ne as my idea creation was honed and precise, as opposed to the shotgun-like creativity of Ne users).
The result of me successfully creating my own formula without being able to explain or understand the processes used in said formula means that I can’t be a Ti, as they’d be obsessed with figuring out how their self-made formula works. Me, a Te user, on the other hand don’t really care about how it works, all I need to know is that the result is correct all the time.
EDIT: High speed internal math solving is more a Ni+Te combo, as Ni solves things internally, and Te does it as efficient as possible. Ti would be more like using chemical knowledge to create medicinal drugs out of basic materials, as it’s about having a high level of understanding of the materials and formulas needed to get the results you want.
PS. The "writing things on paper" you were talking about isn’t Fe or Te, but Si since you’re systematically organizing your thoughts in a physical way (as opposed to the Ni way of just organizing things in an abstract way internally).
Reminder:
Si/Ni: Organizing
Se/Ne: Gathering
Ti/Fi: Understanding
Te/Fe: “What works for everyone"
(Te’s case is “what works for everyone logically" ie. "Efficiency". Fe’s case is “what works for everyone emotionally" ie. "Harmony")
@Your Mom
About me being an INTP or INTJ? I’m definitely an INTJ. I have an INTP friend and we’re as different as night and day.
She tends to overthink things (Ne), always wondering if she understands things enough (Ti), meanwhile I’m more decisive (Ni) and easygoing with a “if it works, it works" mindset (Te). She also tends to burst out in fits of emotions when under stress (inferior Fe), while I’m always cool as a cucumber, and always objective in my decisions (Te and Fi balanced in 2nd and 3rd slots).
This happened to me a lot of times. My principal and I were doing calculus (with another classmate of mine taking the same class as me, cause we were the only ones taking calculus that time), and the book for Calculus was kind of hard to understand since it didn't put on the process on how to do it. Just what the results are. My principal and the other guy was so confused because I somehow arrived at the right answer every single time; and whenever they asked me how I did it, I just couldn't tell them the process. I just knew for a fact that this is going to be the answer without knowing how I knew the answer. And my Principal cannot forget that and would always tell someone that I'm so good at math that I always get the right answer without doing the right process. I don't know if that is a compliment though.
@@headphones2308 Your comment just confirmed that I also work with Ni+Te. I was pretty sure before but now I'm certain. The amount of arguments I've gotten into with math teachers because I don't write anything down / come up with different/faster formulas (they work better!) is so tiring. I always end up correct in the end though, it just takes me a while to explain the "logic" behind what I do.
And writing things down is such a a chore. It makes sense and works in my head so why do I have to show the process? you got the answer, right? But apparently most teachers think I use calculators anyway.
in my case i rarely use it on math but i commonly use it when creating written outputs like i would just gather few info related to the topic then if all the pieces or even just few piece of information i can elaborate it continuously until my written project is done
Using the models in your explanation was such an INTJ thing lol.
I have some thoughts about Ni as it pertains to classroom learning. I think Ni is all about learning things conceptually. In college I noticed that there are 2 types of students: students who study by rote memorization, and the ones who study for conceptual understanding. I think most of the memorizers are sensors, while the conceptual learners are intuitives.
As an Ni dom, I found concept-based classes like chemistry and physics easy, whereas biology classes were often more difficult for me because of how much of the material cannot be boiled down to simple concepts. Many of my memorizer-friends were the opposite, they struggled in physics and chemistry but not in biology.
I'm curious if anyone else has noticed a similar pattern?
Absolutely the same for me too! Concept learning was always so easy.
Omg man you have literally blown my mind. I am very good with concepts and not with the more subjective especially coz i am in the architecture field. Im known as the ideas man at work but not the technical one lol
OMG YOU'RE RIGHT
In college I have this colleague who is an ISFJ, Si-dom and like we both were studying last minute for an exam, and he was amazing at memorizing the power-point's slides, he said everything as it was there, even the tiniest details. Meanwhile me, who I suspect to be an INFJ, was trying to get the "bigger picture" of every slide, not memorizing everything in it, but understanding what the most important concepts were, and moving outwards from there. Sometimes he would call my attention to slight details I missed when getting and explaining the info.
We ended up both getting a good grade on the exam, but it's interesting to think about how different our strategies and approaches were.
Math, physics were for me the easiest and biology or other disciplines that required memorisation were the hardest.
Thank you for this. I hate the "prove it" (through the sensory)
-INFJ
Hahah same!
Prove your disdain or I don't believe you :)
The Introverted Intuitive function is a somewhat strange phenomemon. At times I used to think that it was just being observant, but later realized that there is a "black box" function in the sub-conscious part of the mind, which you simply live with, which takes in questions and works on them, and later kicks out answers and "flashes" of insight into the conscious part of me, which seems normal, but I remember my shock at the realization that most people simply couldn't see or "feel" the things that seemed perfectly clear to me. It's like some program running in the background on your computer. The Ni-dominant personality "tuning out" of the External Sensate situation is really just tuning into that "channel". Sometimes the answer just appears, in a quiet moment; other times it is the lightning flash of an “aha” moment; but, when I am really in tune, getting close to that conscious-unconscious boundary, and paying attention, interacting with it, letting things pass back and forth. It is perhaps like hearing an answer through a door, or from the “dark” side of a room - not dark in the sense of bad or evil, but just that the source is immediate but not “visible”. So I get that "duality" that you are talking about, but more than a “filing cabinet” it is a computer, or a very helpful assistant. And there have certainly been some times, where even I was surprised by the results.
Sometimes it is intuiting something about a person, or having a clear sense of something that would happen later, as a result of an action that I had just witnessed. Other times the Ni function can be quite immediate and spooky. This happened quite a bit when I was a teenager and in my early 20's. Sometimes it was things that only I would notice. Other times, I remember leaving friends more than a little astonished, and somewhat unsettled.
Just. Wow. 👏👏
The one time I actually got high, I was able to "access" that black box and got the insight of these flashing thoughts, they were the most interesting and bizarre and novel thoughts, but they went by so quickly I never got to follow till the end of those thoughts to even make a sense of it or build a logic for it, before being intercepted by more racing thoughts. Felt like I was given a glimpse into this subconscious as if these background thoughts were now brought to the surface and into consciousness
@@Dust394 Yes. That is very much the case. I just need to give it a little time to run. Go to sleep with a question, wake up with an answer; start the weekend with an issue to resolve at work, show up Monday morning with a solution, where all the pieces have fallen into place; answers come in the quiet moments, where you can engage it and let it happen: driving, listening to music, doing a repetitive task that doesn't require too much concentration, etc. Test-fitting known patterns and principles, or extrapolating from them, into larger, more complex patterns. The harder problems, finding new principles, take more time. You can practice it in a playful way, such as with art, literature, architecture or music, looking for details and underlying clues, drawing out connections, piecing them together, to try to understand the creator's intent. You experience something that strikes you, catches your interest, and then think about it, off and on, for days, weeks, even years (This is also a good way for Ni-doms to engage in the often underused portions of their personality: Se and Fi). And, beyond just the short term "sleeping on it" there are things that you can read or experience that you will affect you profoundly, that you will think about, be inspired and motivated by for possibly your entire life. So if something catches your attention, and "calls out" to you, follow that thread, by all means. You never know where it (Your Ni) may lead!
@@far-away-so-close4540 not only this but I'd also like to point out that you can't make it happen by force or at your will. If it isn't ready, it doesn't work no matter what you try. And unconsciously it constantly looks for data and until it gets that, even conscious Ni won't work. And yes, interacting with sensory like art, literature etc does help in this collection process but the main process is internal so you really need to tune in with yourself.. Like you said, "you have to let it happen"..
i know it's an old thread but i just wanted to add it here in case anyone reads. And ive heard people talk about developing Ni like it's a consciously possible skill, it isn't because it's an internal cognitive process..
Yes! I have a hard time explaining my concepts to people. Half the time, people tell me I don’t make sense at what I’m saying. But, it makes complete sense to me. Or, I’m asked to get to the point of what I’m trying to explain. Because, I understand, but can’t explain it. In otherwise, I hear all the time, my ideas are a hot mess.
There is someone in one of my computer science courses who dresses exactly like you do, has the same temperament and almost even looks like you lol! It's truely fascinating how uniformly certain cognitive archetypes present themselves in the human psyche.
Hey that’s pretty dope!
As Se / Ni it runs in the background mostly. If I’m working on something, it’s usually lots of SeTi crunch but the best solution usually just emerges on its own. On its own (for me at least) it’s really good a spotting flaws in a plan or a design. You learn to zip it, but in your mind you’re thinking “this is not going to work” and you know exactly why.
I think this is the best explanation of how Ni works that I've watched. Great job!
Very good explanation.
This reminds me of my sudden understanding of linear algebra, where one day before I barely could understand the simple concepts, it was a fantastic epiphany!
Shoot algebra was not my favorite lol I was always really good at guessing answers, but that doesn’t work so well with math when you have to show your work 😬 Thanks for hanging around Andre!
Great! I remember always getting minus points on tests because I didn't explain enough how I got to the answer. Even when I tried to do that I forgot steps 😂 I used to say that my brain was too fast for me and even though I had the answer I was afraid it might be wrong and had to do it the slow way. Usually the first answer wasn't wrong but oh well 😂 🤷🏼♀️
Thanks! Ni is NOT high in my stack but I'm mesmerized as I work to understand. I try to imagine having a mind that works like that. Wow! The only way I seem able to approach it is to focus on my Ne, then reverse direction. INFP here.
As an ENTJ I really never "thought of thinking". The peaces would come together and I would never know or explain how I got to that conclusion and never really stopped to think why. I think the further the Ni is on ur stack the less awareness you have on how you apply it in real life. It mostly acts as a "subconscious" tool to give support to your external. Ive observed this similarity with most ENxJs. Slowing down helps.
"Everything I have done in the past has prepared me for doing exactly this thing"... I think this is the perfect definition of "introverted intuition"... or at least it's like it works for me. ;-)
Sound like Si-Ne
Yeah, it sounds like "Si-Ne". That's right. But I think Si-Ne is more: I take into account things from the past to go to the future. What I'm talking about is more like "I connect things happened in the past to the present, and then to the future, and then I come back to the past, and then... other temporal verb... and so on"
This seems very familiar to me. I have hated showing my work since elementary school and have long since given up on trying to explain my ideas to people. What I do instead is use a quasi Socratic Method of asking question that guide people. This is a less intimidating, less arrogant (sounding), and often quicker way of getting to the conclusion.
I learned how to fake it because teachers never thought I was listening or never understood how I learned something without “paying attention” to every single detail or fact they made us learn. I can fake si really well, I’ll take detailed notes that I don’t learn anything from and explain things in a very step by step manor on tests because I realized it’s not about what you know, but that you can show your teacher that you know it well enough you could teach it to them. It’s exhausting though, and after a while it wears me out so much I literally can’t keep it up and need a huge break
My ni would subconsciously answer stuff but I never hated showing my work, probably because my Si is also high
Brilliant work 😎 Love the way you visually represented the concepts.
Cool, glad it made sense Andrew!
This video is great because it involves watching you use Ni all throughout in order to explain Ni itself.
So, I remember after meditation, I wanted to know more about static electricity. I went to the library, and picked out a children's book (as I find them to much better at distilling down pertinent information in less time - giving me a quick overview of any given subject). As I was digesting the information... it dawned on me that static electricity didn't need metal to create a field; that a magnetic field could be created in theory, by just creating a difference in electron potential between two different substances. This led me to the idea that you could levitate objects via strong enough static electricity; and this led to the idea that perhaps this is what was done to the stones of the pyramids; and perhaps the stories of slaves rolling logs or using convoluted pulley systems was actually less likely than that of a race from another star system using higher forms of knowledge than what we can yet conceive of. I also held the possibility that I was wrong; but the idea had a lot of practical applications in any case.
I often have these very powerful aha! moments where all kinds of things click into place. It's as if my subconscious mind was storing away details and this final detail completed the puzzle.
Makes me wonder, then, if I identify more easily with your first case or your second.
Yess ni is constantly forming patterns to apply to all situations like, the overarching concept is trust or something like that. Like “all the situations in my life are leading back to trust” and we see this all so easily more then the sensory stuff . We really dig all the way to the root of the issue like a therapist would. This is the reason all my friends come to me for advice! Because it’s so blantantly obvious to me being my first function. Thank you this video is great. Pretty sure I do the unconscious one 100% of the time. It’s like my subconscious is doing all the work for me 😂 and when people ask me how I reached that conclusion it’s time for the blank stare lmao
I sometimes just want to say, trust me. But here's the thing, when new or contradictory info arises, I subconsciously and rapidly assess the underlying Interpretations, assimilating the into everything affected by it and changing the conclusions, as applicable. Simultaneously, I am judging new or contradictory information to see if it makes sense, before solidifying changes to the map in my mid. In other words, I'm checking the probability of its accuracy.
3:26 This is absolutely exhausting. It's when I realize I should've taken better notes, and now I have to hunt down all the data points and connect them in the slow, physical world, or I could drop the whole thing. That would be a lot easier...
Excellent presentation
Thanks :)
A possible video could be best job fields for INTJ's. I have a huge problem in the workforce, because I work so hard. Employers, Managers, Supervisors have waaaayyy to many rules, they're highly inefficient, lazy, and mostly uncaring, and they give me crap and take it personally if I suggest any tiny change at all. They tend to put a boot on my throat and it really depresses me and makes me hate my jobs! I'm a thinker, builder, I see the bigger picture, I like to build and design and organize. None of that EVER gets used at any job I take. It's a terrible feeling.
As an INFJ, I approve of this message. Thanks for the easy breakdown of Our leading function :)!
Awesome thanks Eryn!
This is spot on. Thank you for explaining it so eloquently. INFJ here. I will tell someone a conclusion and they will ask me, why are you saying that? I will tell them to give me 10 or 20 minutes and I will get back to them and explain. Usually I can figure out how I made all the connections in my head. Of course they will find one to poke a hole in. Then I will say give me some time I'll get back to you.
Yes!!
Excellent presentation 🙌👏. I've mistyped myself as an ENTP for a long time, but when I was a teenager I tested as an INTJ. I've always known I was an intuitive-dominant type, but I was mistaking cognitive Ni for Ne and I was mistaking unconscious Ni for Si, to fit the ENTP function stack. But here's what I was left with: I am CERTAINLY on the Fe-Ti axis, meaning I'm not an INTJ. I'm an INFJ. The test always put my thinking and feeling preference as very close.
The reason I'm posting this here is to point something out about why INFJs might mistype themselves. We form our value judgments around the tribe or the collective (Fe), and so if we present in such a way that isn't approved of, especially in childhood, we tend to reject it. That's what I did. I was punished for having and showing emotions, because it was always somehow "wrong" or "reflected poorly" on my dad. Since we use Ni, we tend to be forward thinkers, and as idealists we're likely to answer on a test in such a way as to present how we *want* to be in the future as our current reality. Our ideal future traits replace our actual, present traits. I *wanted* to be extroverted and outgoing, and I can adopt that persona, but the reality is I spend 90+% of my time alone, and when I do go out, I'm doing things like hiking or driving by myself, and that's how I like it. I *wanted* to be a "thinking" type because I'm highly intelligent and because that way I didn't have to express feelings and get hurt. But if you really look at my life as it IS, and not an ideal of what it could or "should" be, I'm undeniably an INFJ. I can't say I like that very much yet and I'm not ready to put this in video form yet either, but I'm trying to radically accept it so that I can actually move forward in the healthiest way for me.
Thanks for listening 🖤
I remember when I was a little kid, I couldn't do anything in the external world, let alone speak a word until I was 4 years old for example. When I learned how to do basic addition at that age, the concept of quantity was feeding into my Ni. I fell in love with math from there on because it was the only thing that felt natural to me.
Crystal clear explanation for Ni dominant types. I'm intj and I'm thankful
Thank you so much!
The part where you mentioned the current file of pieces rely on pre-established principles that are assumed by the Ni user really hit home.
More than likely why explaining the “file” to someone else is difficult. It is almost like a data type that is apart of a larger data structure, and we expect others to have access to entire root directory and the OS, but all they see is this one file.
This was really interesting Lindsay. As an Ne user I found this breakdown of Ni facinating.
Thanks so much Melanie! It’s a real strange thing to articulate with words.
You were so awesome explaining made my sapioromantic mind fall in love with you. Another reason I love intjs...
I liked it last time i commented. And that you responded me. I have now been on a journey to descover myself. I have typed myself as INTJ. And I have also signed up for this channel :) I like the concept of this video. hahahahaha I loved this 3.30-4.00.
Nice 😊 welcome
possibly one of the best explanations of the nuances in how I personally perceive problem solving
That is fantastic to hear. So glad it resonated.
I was always unsure whether I was INTJ or INTP, but after watching this, I am 100% sure that I am INTJ.
Oh this was beautiful… thank you for this.
Thank you for your pretty precise explanation of the Ni!! 😊😊👍💝 Ni is a very abstract thing and even I as a dominant Ni user, I don't excactly get it. Despite I know what Ni is, I cannot really describe or explain it in concrete words, it's just something I have and use and which has guided me since forever. My conscious Ni probably works different than yours, bc I'm an INFJ, but anyways: Great video! 😍👍👍 I loved it that you visualized Ni with the Lego Pieces. It really helped understanding a lot.
Thank you :) this is one of my favorite underrated videos
@@InternetLiJo You're welcome. :)
Love this. Although to anyone not using dominant Ni trying to understand this.... good luck. I actually did this exact thing earlier in the day, but it looked a little different. I made a diagram originating with a problem/question/unknown, and then showing the unconscious Ni running through essential characteristics or principles of other seemingly unrelated concepts, and then applying them to the original question/unknown. Kind of like "PQ is the same as AB in this essential/abstract way, therefore in context J, it will result in the same characteristic or outcome." It could be much more complex, however, and have many more moving parts. But this is a step further down the sequence than your explanation, which focused more on gathering those essential characteristics and principles for later use.
So glad it made sense to you!
I feel like my mind is constantly tracing patterns in the objective and subjective world. Able to view this reality from different perspectives and paradigms. Most of the time this pattern tracing is unconscious but when I hit a significant pattern match it becomes conscious. Everything is patterns, ever repeating fractals with a numerical language. The fractals have occasional small deviations, but in time those can be predicted as well. Once my mind has traced enough of a similar pattern it uses that data to extrapolate future events with pin point precision. Intuitive prediction of future events, surprisingly far away in time. We really are living in a kind of matrix and once you can see the code and trace the patterns it gives you super powers. INTJ has the ability to see the future and manipulate reality into conforming to our vision. We are not so much masterminds, more like magicians.
Cool video. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could just connect our brain to a screen to show exactly how we see it so that others would understand better (and quite frankly, us too lol)?
Also, after 5:25 audio goes much quieter.
Haha that would be great! Sorry about the audio, recording the VO piece screwed up my normalization settings ugh.
ENFJ here, and I think this was a very good video on how Ni can work consciously and unconsciously. I think the conscious Ni is when it is with an introverted judging function and is now targeted in some way having the Ji steer it, but overall they both still incorporate Ni. Thanks for this!
Very good explanation of the Introverted Intuition. As an INTJ I approve of this video.
Yay! It’s a good one in my Objective opinion
Very interesting! Covering the unconscious part was definitely a good idea, because it plays an important part into the conscious part and the behavior at some point.
I'm not so sure about that yet, but it seems like Ne works similarly, but with multiple "background processes" and doesn't care on having a singular entity or having too much tabs open on its own, letting the less important "files/tabs" die, or be recovered later if needed or found. I think I'm using Ni (as an ENTP with Ne first) very often to organize the important ideas or details of a complex subject, but it requires effort or time although I enjoy it. Seems like its easier for people having Ni by default.
Interesting Louis! Yes when I see the wheels of someone with Ne spinning, it always seems to be about - “what if this” “what if that”. It’s more a process of innovation vs reduction? Then again it’s not my function so I can’t say for sure lol but yes I agree with the multiple background processes!
Both N functions are semi Unconscious anyway even if they're dominant.
Intuition is the closest function to the unconcious mind
Your videos are saving lives and immeasurable potential, great work, keep it up :)
Excellent way of explaining, very well done. I love that you differentiated between unconscious and conscious Ni. I have never heard that before, but I think it's something that should be discussed more. I am writing a language (the sheer expanse of a language is HUGE) and, in order to do so, I really have to try to dig into my Ni and pull pieces forward to produce and put things together that are explainable beyond my own internal (unconscious Ni) understanding of it. It can be an extremely difficult, time-consuming, and draining task, as it must connect principles, social workings, history, future, unseen-or-thought-of possibilities, cultures, traditions, systems that are both stringent and flexible, etc. Your explanation of the unconscious and the conscious Ni really allowed me to feel I can better explain my process.
Thank you sincerely :)
My brain...Are those magnet Legos? Goes into research mode. Magna-Qubix 😯✨
Yes!! they are fantastic
This is one of the best videos on the internet!
Thank you Thais!!
This reminds me of a time when my mouse wasn't working... not the one chased by the cats; the other one :) . Something told me to take a look at it. And as I started to take it apart; I noticed something odd... it started to work; but then when I turned on the lights to better examine it; it wouldn't move unless my finger was nearby. I was puzzled by this.
It used a laser being filtered through a rotating wheel; and I realized after a little experimentation, that the diffuse light of the lamps were causing interference with the laser or the purity of the receiving mirrors or sensors or whatever. It was only when my finger caused a shadow... that the mouse picked up movement again.
This led me to ponder how the computer knew from which direction the laser was being broken or pulsed. My guess was that the laser broke in different places based on the direction of the wheel spinning; and that was caused by the motion of the mouse upon some surface physically moving the wheel. Of course, all this could be in my head in hind site. I recall the feeling of Eureka! that came after noticing very small things that I didn't really notice I was noticing... if that makes any sense?
Very strange how the mind works.
I have no idea how you're able to remain so focused with your eyes when explaining something. My eyes bounce all over the place and I usually stare out into the distance. #NeProblems
Love the description too, this is very much how I've believed Ni to work. It's similar to how I see Ne + Si working together, problem being if I don't actually consciously capture the patterns, they are usually lost. I guess that's where Blast needs to step in, organise and then do something with it.
So I’ve been trying really hard to look at the camera because I usually am staring away trying to avoid the camera lol.
Also thank you for the confirmation and comparison from a Ne perspective!
@@InternetLiJo lol okay that's a good tip! I'll keep that in mind
I've been trying to explain to my husband what my Hero Ni is in a way he can understand. Love this explanation. :) Thank you for sharing this!
INTJ here. Bravo Lindsay! That was a pretty good simple way to describe it using sensory.
Thanks Again LiJo, this beautifully puts into words the way the Ni side of (Ni Te) minds works. This is a lot of how I get by in information Technology field almost daily I will come across someone/something that I know not much about, but I can dig in and within a short time, figure out the issue and fix the problem. I have always just said I can thumb around till I figure it out. I would Say that pure Ni could be the one feature of strong dominant Ni that we use to a large degree and many never know or understand without these videos.
Very good video. You do a good job explaining Ni. One other thing I've had all through my life as an INTJ is that I can often see what's going to happen before it happens, and it's because of the Ni pattern recognition. Ni dominates are great at pattern recognition, especially in the areas that they have an interest in.
For example, I'm very interested in psychology, sociology, history, and how systems work, so I see patterns in history of how people behave similarly despite living in different times and places. Ni puts these pieces together into coherent systems that explain how the world works. Then, when I see part of the beginning of the sequence of events happening, I can often correctly predict how the future events will play out well before they actually happen. Others will see it as being psychic. It's not. It's pattern recognition.
I've been able to correctly predict the outcome of elections before they happen, oftentimes months in advance when it looks improbable to others. I'm not always right, but usually right. It can be very frustrating because these patterns and eventual outcomes are plainly obvious to me yet other people don't see them, and they act like I'm crazy when I tell them what's going to happen. For example, 6 or 7 years ago I told a British friend of mine that Britain was going to eventually leave the European Union. He laughed at me and said I was crazy. I'm glad there are other people out there like me because I don't know any in real life like me.
P.S. It would appear that you supplied yet another final missing piece to another puzzle that I was trying to figure out. Thanks again
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Your welcome. Thanks for your response.
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Excellent video, Lindsay, great explanations of these functions.
I really liked that playful visual explanation at the begining:D
Thank you! I thought it made the Ni make more sensory sense!
So good. Nothing but net. 👍👍👍💙🍀
That's so neat! I always conceptualized my mind as a library and my Ni as a sexy secretary that hands me files when I "reach back" into my library. Seems very similar
hey lindsay!!! as i mentioned, i've been binge watching your stuff for the last couple of days and it's really been helping me understand my demons (MF Se/Fi CP/B) and how they work.
this video in particular is one i've been noticing i'm coming back to quite often because it really helps me remember the times my Ni kicked in in the past. most relationships i've gotten into and achievements came from this idealized vision that one day popped in my head and that guided me towards the completion of my goal.
either way, i'm sorry to Se bother your Ni plans, but could you make some more videos like these in the future? explaining how your Ni works and how you would recommend someone with it as a demon practice it?
Hey!! Sure thing. I’m currently playing this game with myself where throughout the day when I do things I ask myself - does everyone else (at scale) do this? If not, why am I doing it? I find the motivation of cognitive firing in my head is often to blame and it’s been helping me get a better sensory picture of the result to my prior thought process. All that to say, I should be better at talking about it these days so video coming soon :)
Like my INFJ mind does it with the "MBTI Theory" OMG. That was a really lightening video. Even now, I study architecture and I have hard time put things together becasue it's too out of the place :D and that explains why I like to Google Earth like I'm trying to create a "world" folder in my brain haha. I hope that makes sense. I hope my Ni will put things together in my education too! with some logic I think it'll work. And yeah, my weak Te tends to believe in everything but I see you kinda get it. Good job! INFJ friend from Turkey! and yeah, couple things to add: in your bike example, are you trying to say Ni will understand what we're experiencing right in the moment? Like for example when I study English I do develop understanding of other languages, better verbal communication in my language or.. things about the culture? Pleas return back this question. Love yaa!
I sort of understand what you’re asking so yes, studying a language gets you understanding of that language but also language as a whole at the same time.
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This is a great visual way to understand unconscious Ni (the way I think of it). Then maybe Ne can be visualized as many or partially put together and Ne works to understand each as it works visually in space (life). My understanding of Ne would be any ideas important to the point or just peripherally. Very interesting.
Yeah I think of Ne’s as idea machines! They are all about the “what about this, what about that, so many possibilities”.
This is true!
Now prove it!
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Where is my Isabelle?
Hahahah. Isabelle has a cake planned. It may or may not be good lol.
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But the good side is that her cats were featured ! ^^
It's generally means that we can put the pieces together very easily and very very quickly before any others could, based on previous experiences and knowledge.
It's so quick that most sensors think we are making things up, but too years down the road (the intj will tell the rest of the world "I told you so") it appears we are almost correct everytime.
Thing is we intj should stop trying to tell others what will happen and start making use of this skill to help us become rich.
Why, because nobody listens 90% of the time anyway.
Hmm my ego just got lifted
To me this sounds basically like another way of describing inductive and deductive reasoning
No, very different. Ni is looking at many things in a single subject over and over until you see a pattern (between those things). Ne is looking at many different subjects entirely and seeing connections (not patterns, because there are no patterns when looking at unrelated subjects) between these unrelated subjects. The excitement of Ni is like the excitement of solving a jigsaw puzzle, the excitement of Ne on the other hand is like the excitement of exploring new worlds.
Inductive/deductive reasoning on the other hand is figuring out whether something is true or not and has nothing to do with finding a pattern/connection. I think that has more to do with the realm of Ti/Te than with Ni/Ne.
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I always can learn something from your video, especially, great ideas that just never occur to me before.
Spectacular explanation from an ENFJ
This is something I find is a conflict with undeveloped sensory types vs undeveloped intuitives. I hypothesize that the cause of this conflict with sensors is that until they can develop the intuition, they can be very bad at things that aren't immediately surface level or things beyond their past literal experiences. This I find more common with SJ's for have Ni as their demon function and me being an INFJ with Ni as the dominant function. So it's like they are terrible at seeing the principles that hold the experiences and sensory experiences together whereas I can experience both the literal sensory as well as the underlying principles although I used to not be very practical until developing that Se. But the thing that really grinds my gears with SJ's more so than SP's is that the undeveloped ones tend to completely ignore Ni and treat is like it's something horrible and will often refrain from testing anything that can lead to an actual improvement by understanding an underlying principle and instead keep focusing on the sensory and past and living in stagnation and not improving things that can quite practically and easily be improved and not even talking about the more wild Ni stuff that is kind of far fetched. Needless to say, I often times have the most conflict with undeveloped SJ's more than any other temperament.
I LOVE this, my dear! Thank you so much for putting this together. I really wish someone would do this for Ne-Si- I wish you could. ^.^ I think seeing it in this same format would help me- I know I'm getting really close to getting it (I really hope so), but I don't have enough to see it yet; there are blank spots, empty spaces. I have been trying to articulate what it is that I feel I'm missing.
I am curious how Ni-Te and Ni-Ti block-banging work (though I guess S-T is block-banging more properly?). I have a most-likely-Ni-Te friend, and that Te piece seems to really modify the feel of the Ni. The Decider axes seem to make a big difference in what the understanding is used towards. Granted I could be all wrong that I have Ni, and that she has Ni, and all the world could be falling apart around my ears in a vat of insanity and chaos.
I'm so glad you found it helpful! I should do it for other functions :)
I love having an ha-ha moment...and then dropping the ball with a distraction and being forced to find it again. (Sarcasm)
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You articulated this SO well! I’m INFJ and this explains exactly how my mind operates. Thank you! now if only I can get all the sensory humans to understand this🤔
Thanks! I put in a lot of thought as to how to articulate this in a sensory way haha
L J and you nailed it haha!! I love how you depicted this into the images. I just remember trying to explain this same thing to my sensory ex girlfriend and no matter what I did she just looked so uninterested. Maybe if I showed her this video back then we would still be together 🤔 naaaah haha!
This makes me clear, even I think i'm sure I always say I'm not sure but ended up right it's just I don't have a sensory to prove my Ni - INFJ
Glad it became clear.
I conceptualize it as a Forrest full of trees. When a new concept is put to me it is like a seed that sprouts a little sapling. As i learn more the tree grows larger, more branches spring out and a strong trunk is formed. The leaves are all the Se data points hanging off the tree. When someone asks me a very general question i seem really slow and stupid. A question like what do you think of this person or similar. 1 - 5 - 10 trees can be presented to my conscious mind with all data points and in all their grandeur. What can i select from those trees to sum it all up, for me it is really hard and taking the time to describe the whole tree would take forever. This is why small talk kills me inside. It's akin to wanting to talk about the ants wandering around aimlessly at the base of the tree or on the leaves. I want to talk about the beautiful trees. If a lie is injected into a fundamental thing like a branch or the trunk, it causes it to look twisted wrong and dead. Other branches of the tree get called in to question as the disease spreads and the leaves fall off. Sure a white lie on a data point may cause a single leaf to drop. I guess this is why we have solid in built lie detectors. Anyway hope my Ni Te spew made some kind of sense.
Am I the only one who gets a massive buzz when the blocks all come together?
Is this why whenever I want to explain something to someone else I suddenly think the words that came out of my mouth make no sense but when I pieced them together in my brain it made total sense?!?
Others don't have to understand you do. Every thing comes together during sleep. Trust Intuition it's always right.
This concept was extremely interesting and made a lot of sense to me. I have a question regarding everything you said about Ni, and maybe you can help me understand what I am about to explain. So basically I am an ENFP, therefore I lead with extroverted intuition, and my Ni exists in my 5th slot as you know. I relate to this concept exactly when I am learning math for example. Math is my favorite subject not just because I am good at doing it but because I understand what I’m doing through various abstract concepts that may or may not be related to math itself but somehow my mind relates it. With that being said, I have an Infj friend who I am helping with math. I have always been extremely curious of how her mind works because I know she, like you, leads with introverted intuition. When I was explaining the math to her I tried multiple different ways to explain the various concepts and how they relate to seemingly unrelated concepts, but to her she just couldn’t get it. Now that is not to say she is unintelligent, or that she should automatically understand what I do, or even that having a certain function would make you good at a subject. Also it could simply be me who isn’t explaining it in the way that is best for her to understand. BUT the way you just described Ni is really interesting and it made me think of how I think of math, and I was wondering could there be a possible explanation as to why my friend doesn’t see math the way I do? Yes I know our functions are completely different and that personality type doesn’t necessarily matter in regards to academic subjects, but I was just surprised because I thought that her No would actually be the thing to help her make more sense if these concepts. Do I understand math unconsciously with my Ni and it manifests into my consciousness? Is there a reason why my friend might not understand it as well as, or is this not a question that can be explained or partially explained using the cognitive stack? Let me know your thoughts.
Interesting concept and a good job explaining it, Lindsay! One question I'm not quite clear on from the video: do conscious and subconscious Ni both exist in all Ni users? Or is it mostly one or the other in a particular person (e.g. depending on where Ni is located in the function stack/what other functions are present/as an additional dichotomy)?
I think unconscious is what’s dominant. The way I explain conscious Ni really pulls in more of my Te which is only present in INTJs :)
@@InternetLiJo Thanks!
This is great explanation
Lol! people don't understand me because I can't explain for the life of me.
So you basically mean Ni people have lots more ‘ram’ and processes on going in sleep mode, talking in computer terms. Whereas sensory is a computer with better keyboard and display screen, but poor computing performance.
God I wish I had Ni over this pesky Ne... In the last year I’ve probably switched business plans about 12 times because every month there’s a new ‘shiny object’ to pursue...
Lol! Shiny new thing! The Ne program itself is made of it.
L J Shiny Object Syndrome is a serious illness! Lol
This is such a good description and so true! How often would you say you have these epiphanies?
Oh interesting question! I actually have no idea. It’s taken me awhile to be able to see and articulate what my brain does by default, so then the added element of tracking its frequency would be a whole other thing I would need to pay attention to! I’ll try to be more mindful of it.
25000 likes for the learning how to apply force to propel myself forward example! ❤️❤️
One thing that must be said, is that when all the missing pieces have been found, put together and the file can be closed, the Ni user will be very happy because closing a file lessens the burden on the brain and makes space for solving other unresolved open files.
I spend a lot of time breaking down the things I just know into things I can explain to others. I think a lot of different concepts and processes are taught in overly complicated ways and could be more easily applied if there are specific step-by-step ways to use/understand them.
Can You speek more about your low level of cooper în your body? Please! Is very important for me.
Google undermethylation!
This is a pretty good explanation of Ni. I find it's difficult to explain to someone who isn't Ni dominant.
Thank you! It took me awhile to articulate it in a way that would be most understandable.
@@InternetLiJo you're welcome. I believe it's hard to explain because we don't necessarily use Ni consciously. It's like trying to explain how windows works to a mac user _(or vice versa)_ without being able to show them your computer.
I thought you did an excellent job here. I also think the visual aides make a huge difference. Keep up the good work.
Well i guess im not the only one who loves lego-puzzle like toys even in my 20 :D
So, do you feel about your Ni like when you are more consciously aware of what you're Ni-ing, you can *feel* the missing piece's shape/size/what it is like in some way? I have this odd thing where I will be working for something, and I feel like I know what I don't know yet, but only in a sort of silhouette kind of way. Like I get a sense of where I need to go to get it, what sort of thing it is, but I don't exactly know specifically where to go get it. I guess I am led by that sense of what it is I'm missing and I think that my trajectory until I find that piece is always heading towards that piece, like I direct everything I do in my life towards 'what is that piece, what is it, what am I missing.' I've talked to a friend about this, how it is like we know what it is we're looking for but at the same time we don't. It's horribly tantalising, but the mystery is also so thrilling.
INTJ and I have arguments like this with my ISTP sister from time to time. And yes, it gets frustrating at times...
maybe i am mistaken, but i think that while doubting that i have ni i was actually using ni: while watching this i kept rewatching some parts over and over again to make sure that i understood it perfectly and that my brain got all the information correctly while saying "i will fully understand it subconsciously cause rn i don't rlly get what's being said. i just know that in some hours, maybe while i'm trying to fall asleep, i'm going to have a realization and be like "AH, SO THIS IS WHAT SHE MEANT THERE" or "YEAH I DO THAT" " basically trusting the fact that my brain is going to put it in a "folder" with information similar to this to be able to understand it through another similar thing that i know, basically a general principle (if that makes sense) or maybe i am just crazy and assuming things, idk.
Omg this is literally how it works
Hey you’re using Block Logic as an example. Block logic is actually the way Hebraic culture thinks about things. It’s easy to sort out paradoxes using block logic. Which is why most people think the Bible is contradictory.
That’s fire
Also, while the 'closed files' may appear to be unchangeable to others, they will change very quickly in response to new stimuli if the stimuli adds additional understanding to the file.
YES files can always be updated!