How This Became The WORST Episode Of The Office
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2024
- There's a lot of discussion about the worst episodes of The Office. Some feature Michael Scott, others come after his departure. However, while episodes like Dinner Party and The Injury are great, what about the ones that aren't, cause the fall of those episodes? The Office in general is one of televisions most successful shows of all time, but this is what it looks like when it isn't at its best.
#Nerdstalgic #TheOffice #WorstEpisode
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I absolutely love The Office so this one was a fun one for me. As stated in the video, there is no way to truly objectively quantify the worst episode, but the voted on rankings were definitely eye opening for me. ALSO, there’s a vandalism typo lol I’m so angry I missed that.
Parks and rec video maybe?
Princess bride?
How Dr Cox's character influences the people around him so deeply in Scrubs.
Another Gravity Falls would be cool or an Avatar episode.
Please make one on Attack on Titan
The worst the Office did was Andy's character arc: the boat part, the breakup with Erin, when he went to the Got Talent,...
That's what happens when you make 3 Hangover movies
They give you a shitty script to come back to.
I don't even mind it tbh. I think his decline was related to how he became manager and thought of himself above everyone else.
i liked him in s8 and when he was mean to nellie in s9 but they ruined him in s9
Exacly. The worst episode of The Office is every episode of season 9
@@trueblade3636 The final 3 are good though
Scott’s Tots isn’t the worst episode, it’s the most uncomfortable episode.
I think that's one of the best episodes because Stanley laughing makes me laugh all the time.
Mine was Dwight's make-shift trapeze over the carpark where he could've killed himself just because he was jealous of small Dwight.
i only find it uncomfortable cuz even if it's fake, it's SO bad to promise a group of kids full tuition and not give them a single dime
The WORST episode is technically the banker, because it's just a clip show.
People overreact with scots tots it's not that bad. Uncomfortable sure, but its so cartooney and over the top that it doesn't feel real. Jim and pam had some CRINGE scenes together in the first 2 seasons.
They did Andy so dirty in the last season.
They made his family broke
Turned him into a loser
Turned him into a jerk
And made him a national, no worldwide laughing stock.
Agreed!!!
It was mainly the last season, which is where all of those things happened. Season 8 built up Andy's character, to the point that he could tell his dad off and step up to Robert California.
It was uncomfortable seeing him be so mean to Nellie in Season 9, while he did nothing in retaliation to Angela, whose actions were much worse than Nellie's (continuously cheat on him, strung him along while he made arrangements for a wedding, sold his engagement ring, never apologized or felt remorseful)
That meme was so well done I still forget it wasn’t an actual meme.
AND THEY STOLE ERIN FROM HIM
Yeah i just finished it. I hate what they did i really do. I liked Andy and they just did with him what he did on David Wallace's car
To be honest, when Nelly came in and announced herself as manager, I don’t think I’ve ever found a character less likeable
Agreed that was just shit script writing. Also Robert california was a waste of space I think
I agree with you on Nelly, but I actually really enjoyed Robert California.
Nellie got better and much more likeable in the last season though. At least imo
@@thebige4113 Nellie got better with time and Robert got worse.
I think the least likeable character for me was the manager with the glasses that made Michael leave and make his company.
i dont think anyone actually believes that scotts tots is the worst episode, they say that because it is so cringey and so painful to watch (in a good way). but definitely not the WORST episode
That’s the opinion I hold as well, I think it’s actually genius in its writing, but horribly difficult to watch lol
You're right. It's the worst episode for me because it delivers a giant gut punch, which you don't get without quality writing.
That line of thought describes most Michael Scott focused episode.
I was expecting this video to be 10 minutes of whining about "Scott's Tots" but was pleasantly surprised by how thoughtful and interesting it actually is.
The worst episode is the episode after we say goodbye to Scott
Kevin's intelligence fluctuates drastically. He's a talented gambler who won a poker tournament... he doesn't know the alphabet
He turned into a cartoon
Kevin quickly became my least favorite character arc. He used to be a quiet supporting character who was just kind of slow, then they turned him into a blundering idiot
@@dandepasquale2611 ikr I find him so annoying
@@dandepasquale2611 Slow as in actions, methodical, not in an evil cunning way...but just slow. And of course, they play up that hes fat, cause writers pit the two together. Fat = funny. But Like they said, he won a deuce to 7 WSOP tournament... that takes a lot of methodical skill.
Yeah, I honestly never was able to finish the series.
Nelly taking Andy’s job was without question the most infuriating moment in the entire show for me personally.
Nelly made me laugh. But I agree she shouldn’t have gotten his job. But I also hate that Andy throws everything away for Erin. Their relationship was so boring.
yeah that just made no sense and pissed me tf off
It wasn't even her doing that that was bad imo, it was how Robert treated the situation which made if way worse
It was the biggest "because reasons" in TV. Andy as manager never worked but he and the other characters never recovered after all that.
I was paying so little attention to the episodes at that point because of how boring it was that I thought I missed a proper explanation for this, but guess not
Honestly, from a plot line perspective, the one thing I hated was that Andy ran to Florida to get Erin, then they broke up like a season later. It's not even that I cared for that relationship that much, it just seemed stupid to me.
Yeah that relationship as a whole was pretty stupid, they didnt have any chemistry 💀 i like both characters on their own but it really dont work. I feel even Erin copying Dwight's personality when they are walkin around searching for michael is better chemistry than this whole relationship with Andy.
That, him going on a multi week boat trip, removing his naivety and anger issues, etc. All built up to that
From a plot line perspective I agree, but from a character perspective, I think it makes perfect sense.
Andy and Erin were always trying to force a relationship at the wrong time, well past the point at which they would have worked as a couple together. In season 6 and early 7, they had a lot of cute moments and great chemistry, but as the missed opportunities and miscommunications started to pile up, it became more and more apparent that they just were not going to work even if they wanted to - from OUR perspective.
But the thing is, both Erin and Andy were naive hopeless romantics who both saw each other as a perfect person that they just couldn't seem to pin down, and even though Erin's view of Andy had started to diminish, when the opportunity presented itself to finally be with the person she had dreamed of for years, she couldn't pass it up... but they no longer worked well together as friends OR lovers because too much had happened and Erin had grown while Andy had started to regress.
And then Pete came along, and instead of matching Erin's energy like Andy did earlier on, he complemented it while still sharing a lot of her interests. Plus, he was hotter than Andy and far closer to Erin in age, he respected her boundaries and wishes, and treated her like her own person, while Andy treated her as kind of a prop in his own life - an object which he could lavish with affection and adoration, but pick up and put down whenever he needed to. He loved Erin, but in a selfish, needy, idealised kind of way. Pete loved Erin, but in a far more respectful, reciprocal manner. He didn't NEED her - he just loved spending time with her, which is a far healthier way to build a relationship, and reflects the personal and confidence growth that Erin had over her run.
She had been an object to both Andy AND Gabe, who had both made all of the decisions regardless of her feelings in the matter, whereas with Pete, she held equal power in the relationship.
...and that was an awful lot of rambling. Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
@@BambiTrout This ought to be fun:
To address your first point: I really just do not agree. I do not think that either one of them tried to force a relationship until Andy was with Jessica in season 8. Their relationship was awkward, plain and simple but that is a natural part of life. Everything from them asking each other out, to their first date was just both of them trying to maneuver an awkward situation.
Second, I agree with you that they are both hopeless romantics but the thing is that they are that with each other as much as they were with other people. I mean Andy tried to marry Angela for Christ's sake (pun intended) and he even tried to stay with her after he found out she was cheating on him. And Erin had a high opinion of everyone. I am not saying this never happened but up until Nelly came in, it was hard to find a scene of Erin being critical of anyone (and I know about the scene where she broke up with Gabe in season 7, obviously there are exceptions).
And to bring up your point, Erin did pass up the chance to be with Andy after pinning after him for over a year. When he went to Florida, she rejected him. It was not until the old lady told her how much he was risking by coming for her did she come back to him.
And to address the Pete situation, they rewrote Andy's character for season 9. See the above video. There really is not a version of Andy from season 8 that would completely leave his boss without notice and not contact Erin for three months. They did that to advance other characters like Pete and Dwight.
Let me know if I missed anything.
@@BambiTrout i agree with ya
when Nellie took Andy’s job and Robert California (along with the rest of the office) did absolutely nothing was the lowest point in The Office 😐
Yeah, I cringed so damn much during that episode. That was when Andy was really lost to poor writing.
i hate nellie with a passion
The Nellie character was pretty ok, but that moment was just so infuriating
That’s why I hate season 8
That's the episode I hate the most too
If everyone lived by Michael’s philosophy *”Don't ever, for any reason, do anything, to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been, ever, for any reason whatsoever."*
The world would be a much better place
@W Dont ever do anything to anyone. (Totality)
Facts
😂
it wouldnt
Faancy seeing you here.
I liked when Kevin told the Senator off on Angela's and Oscar's behalf.
Yeah that was nice
I really like when Kevin had moments like that. Like when he was the one who called Jim and Pam dating. “Are you kidding me?”
I find it strange how he noticed that the Senator was using them, especially because he has been taken advantage of many times in past seasons.
@@chandrakatel4354 yeah in the last season he suddently becomes a lot more clever and direct. I'd say a good destination for the character, but there was no developement or gradual growth, he was just always kinda down until he wasn't anymore, and he just snapped.
Sometimes it felt like he was being the character that the audience would want everybody to be just to buy in and get you to keep watching the show with those moments of unexpected satisfaction
Yes!!!! And then them silently leaving
I'm not sure why they felt the need to add like 4 new characters within the last 2 seasons of the show. All the characters we know and love have plenty of character arcs they couldve gone through without Nellie, Robert, Pete, and Clark being needed.
"Plop" lol
The only one ill fight for here is Robert
I'd still love to have him appearing here and there. none of his scenes are my favourites in the show, but he's such a strong character and his monologues and one liners are so great, i'd love to at least have him wandering around misteriously like creed xD
I hated Pete with an absolute passion
@@counter8630 absolutely useless, at least dwight junior had some personality and had comedic timing. He was very badly cast and the character adds nothing
@@counter8630 he was sooooo boring
The fact that Stanley kept that news article for years because he knows Michael would somehow forget then completely starts laughing is what made Scott’s tots episode funny.
Has it really been 10 years
I have watched the episode so many times and never noticed
Scott’s tots was great
I thought the ep was hilarious and not crazy cringe I mean yeah it was cringy but not more than usual
@@bendyall1461 which episode?
when toby puts his hand on pams thigh still triggers my fight or flight
😂😂😂
That made me so uncomfortable. But I really enjoy how the office creates it’s awkwardness
What triggers me is Jim does nothing except an uncomfortable look. He doesn’t say anything. He doesn’t take Toby’s hand off Pam. He just sits there and accepts it. Jim being a pushover throughout the show always triggers me lol.
@duck boi do you need to go to man school or what? If another man puts his hand on your woman's leg, what do you think you're supposed to do? Snake Eater isn't an idiot, he's telling it as it is. Jim is like a passive woman sitting there communicating only through facial expressions and not actions.
@@SnakeEaterGaming he also accepted another man kissing pam. Asian Jim kissed pam but it’s ok cos dwight got pranked!
Michael's absence really shows on the last few seasons. I genuinely miss him.
True, but James Spader's performance was still amazing.
@@theboombody agreed. Both parts are true. Show is better with Michael but Robert California was awesome.
More like Andy's presence.
*missed him. You can still watch episodes you know???
I've seen the first 7 seasons an embarrassing amount of times, enough to quote word for word nearly every line. I've only watched 8 and 9 once. The Office is my favorite show of all time and I cannot stand the final seasons, 'Goodbye Michael' is the last episode in my heart.
I’d agree that the show isn’t as good when Michael leaves, although I think it’s less to do with him leaving and more to do with introducing low-quality/ill-fitting characters. Andy got torched after Michael left, Pete is bland af. Nellie is a poor fit. Clark seemed to have a dodgy sexual side to him (his attempts with Erin and involvement with Jan) that wasn’t utilised well. Robert California should never have become CEO. With his conduct/demeanour, he might’ve been good as regional manager, although I’m not the biggest fan of how James Spader plays him in general.
First 7 are superior, but you’re missing out on gold here and there in 8 and 9, especially Robert California and Nellie Bertram.
@@Stephen_Platt Spader could not be more perfect as Robert California.
The last four episodes are good also. For me season 1 to 7 are a number 10. 8 is a number 7 and 9 is a number 5. Isn't all bad but I prefer to restart from season 1 though.
@@77Revolutions I totally agree with the scores you give the seasons.
The camera man just all the sudden becoming a character and serious love interest for Pam was idiocy. All the sudden she has this deep connection with some guy never mentioned.
@@ClaireEmilia He's a camera man. You think he's a star or something?
@@ClaireEmilia ok pretty girl why dont you take off that strangers pfp and then talk
No i liked that i think it was abit realistic i mean they have been with them for many years and no one ever became friends with the crew that wont make sense and him only appearing when pam is at her worst makes all the sense
It's actually pretty realistic. Even the most "perfect" relationships face hurdles and temptations. It makes absolute perfect sense that a camera man/boom mic operator might develop feelings for someone in that working environment. People fall for coworkers every day.
It's also not unrealistic to think that Pam and Jim, the most "normal" employees, may have struck up friendships with the crew. When Jim needed them to compile a DVD for Pam, he even said "I know this is against the rules..... But I really need a favor" to which a crew member said "you got it!". It's almost impossible to work beside people for years and years and NOT form some semblance of an attachment.
I think it was fun but could’ve been executed better
And it got really bad when they introduced the sound guy: Brian as a character.
You said it sister
Personally, I loved when they introduced the sound guy. It showed that the documentary crew were actual humans, not just abstract entity that exist so that characters could break the fourth wall.
imo, brian wasnt a bad character, but the changes in the show's style with the focus on the crew/technical element of the filming, was too different and the audience wasnt used to it which caused complaints
@@scientia.veritas it also gave a sort of new mysterious to the show for me personally. Like the crew basically intruded as much as they could on the office’s private lives, so their lives beyond work aren’t left too much to the imagination anyways, but the fact that they call attention to the fact that there’s an actual crew filming them and Pam has been a good friend of one of them this whole time is intriguing. Dunder Miflin probably talked to the camera crew all the time and maybe even had their own beefs or moments with them that we never get to see, I kinda like that since it makes them feel more like real people if we don’t know literally everything about them
+100. After 6 - 7 seasons of never seeing or hearing the documentary crew, to suddenly introduce one of them as a character _and_ have that character be a romantic rival to Jim was frankly bizarre. To me, it showed that the writers were really desperate to find a new wrinkle rather than put in the hard work of further developing the exiting characters.
I love The Office, but watching the last two seasons were a bit challenging to watch for the second time. The first couple of seasons were great though and I always seem to gravitate towards them. Michael Scott just gave that kind of memorable acting that a few side characters couldn’t keep up with in the later seasons. Steve carried the show in my opinion and when he left he took a piece of my heart with him. Best boss in the world
I always appreciate the episodes more as I continue to watch
I think Dwight became a lot better (already really funny of course) the last 2 seasons. Sad however because the rest of the show was not as good
The best worst boss actually..he could be an arrogant, self--centered jerk sometimes but we just love to hate him.
@@victoribarbo2709 I think Rainn Wilson carried the show the final 2 seasons
i watch the last two seasons so little that when the official channel uploaded clips from them i thought they were deleted scene compilations lmao
Scott’s Tots is literally my favorite episode. It truly captures the awkward and uncomfortable nature of The Office and Michael Scott.
Yeah, Scott's Tots was season 1 level discomfort and was very refreshing
Scott's Totts isn't really hated as the worst episode, fans are deeply divided between "it's great" and "the cringe is so bad I can't sit through it." Even its critics don't think it is bad, per se, but uncomfortable to watch.
I think if you ask most about if it was produced good they would say yes, the plot and characters are good and it really hits from the emotions on screen to the viewer. Your right the best way to describe it it is hard/uncomfortable to watch because of how bad Micheal screws up
Yeah I agree with this.
If it's unbearable to watch its not a good episode
It was probably my least favorite episode at the time. I felt it was somewhat poorly written and mostly depressing, lacking a true emotional uplifting moment by the end (or at least something that was hilarious in it's absurdity).
In hindsight, the episode isn't horrible. It's just the Mass Effect: Andromeda of the series, failing to live up to the insanely high writing standards set by the rest of it...
I'm perfectly fine with "cringe" btw, so long as there's some kind of eventual payoff. Scott's Totts simply lacked payoff for me.
People think Scott’s tots is the worst episode?! It’s one of my all time favorites 😭
I don't know why but I can't watch the totts
Whaaaa? Every time I end up on that episode I have to skip it hahaha
I think it’s one of those episodes that is hard to watch because of the “cringe” factor. Which in turn people associate it with a bad episode.
Just Americans that can’t handle actual cringe
A surprising amount of people. I think it’s one of the funniest ever but to each their own.
I loved the mafia episode. The scene where Andy fakes being a mechanic makes me laugh every time.
You have a broken spark tube. ⚡️
Honestly it wasn’t my favorite episode but I was very surprised to see it here. But I totally get how it is an example of Flanderization.
Same. I wasn't a fan of season 6, with randomly making Jim the manager for some reason and turning him into a huge douche, the annoying plot with Michael dating Pam's mom (with Pam trying to act all mad and tough when that isn't her character), and the whole "Sabre" thing. But the Mafia episode had some genuinely funny moments, it felt more like a season 2-3 episode which was refreshing amidst all the weird changes they had been making to the show by that point.
The problem you described with Kevin is the same problem with Joey in Friends. He’s a great character in season 1 but just ridiculous by the end of the series.
And still, one of the funniest thing in The Office is when Holly believes he is "mentally challenged".
When you realise Andy made Erin stop being the old lady’s carer just for them to ruin his character and eventually have them break up
Yeah
Was Erin really helping the old lady though? 🤔
@@jake4028 lOL she gave her boiled Gatorade so probably no
Exactly!
If you put the audience through a three-season romance arc (which, while it was a bit of a rehash, I still got invested in) that payoff had better last.
I don’t seem to be an Andy Apologist but Andy didn’t do that... the show did.
One of my least favorites is in one of the last seasons where Clark tries to get Erin over to his house so he can obviously take advantage of her and pete stops her. It’s just so uncomfortable and uneeded and then Clark becomes a normal guy in the next episode again
I can't believe they just never addressed that again and expected us to continue to see him as a sympathetic character
They just wanted to make Plop Peter look like a “hero” so we can all root for him and Erin and forget about Andy
I was actually looking forward to Clark being a morally corrupt character after that ep and was kinda upset that we were just meant to accept him as an everyman after he did all that
@@nanabonsu2349
Honestly yes it could be so cool
Clark and Pete were the flattest characters ever.
I've never laughed at a single thing Nelley ever said.
Me neither
But at least i laugh at her being bullied by Andy
Bc i hate her
Idk, the "Oh, these tack-os!" line is pretty funky.
The one bit I found funny that still sticks in my mind is when she acquires Ryan's baby and says she's going to be somewhere in Europe. That gives me giggles.
Not even when they call up Dwight pretending to be the news team?
"I knew it! People told me that if I moved to America I'd be murdered" lol
I actually really liked when Kevin stood up to the Senator for Angela and Oscar. I thought it was a good character move for him to just be blunt and a bit aloof about how his friends were being treated. I will say that this was a well made video, disagreements aside. I can argue subjective matters, but I cannot argue objective ratings numbers.
Im realizing how one of the episodes where jim and pam where separated the most and jim was really dumb is written by Jenna Fischer husband
LMAO
@@hogndog2339 he was also the doctor that felt her up in the delivery part 2 episode....fun fact..which is why they have jim reacting like that...
@@razkable I knew that one! I love jim in that episode
Hello Saul
Pam also immediately latching onto the sound guy after Jim scolds her ONE TIME was in those latter seasons as well. After Cece was introduced Jim and Pam became 2 of the worst characters on the show. Jenna was actually in love with John and her husband knew it. What a chump.
Kevin wasn't even that stupid at the beginning. It start getting really bad in season 5. That's when he became too dumb to live.
I'd say he had some dumb moments in both Season 3 and 4 as well. His character changed from what it was in Season 2, where he seemed normal.
ugh his progression is by far the worst. in the beginning he wasn't even dumb per se he was more just,,, off or weird. they make him dumber and dumber and more childish making him say stuff like "cats are so cute you could just eat them. but you can't eat cats Kevin, you can't eat cats..." or "uhh I was just... looking at pictures of food" they reduce him to his dumbness and fatness and it makes me so mad
season 5 jumped the shark...they just said fuck it once toby comes back
And they kept having Kevin use the same joke. Someone would say something dumb and Kevin would be like "Wow, they are soo dumb! I can't believe how stupid they are!".
Kevin knew he was going to get fired eventually. He played dumb at the end so people wouldnt notice him stealing money from the company. Thats the genius behind his character.
We all know the worst episode was one after Michael left. It felt like when you come back from summer vacation straight to school or work
Scott's Tots is literally one of my favorites. ".......... THEY'RE LITHIUM"
Scott's Tots isn't bad, just too painful to watch
Agreed
Is that not the same thing? Truly this is just a query
@@AdviceFromAHipoCrite I don't think so. It isn't written badly, it was meant to be incredibly uncomfortable. It's just so effectively uncomfortable that it hurts to watch. If you can white knuckle it through the episode there are definitely still some funny moments. Like Michael acting like he was still going to give them laptops and it just being laptop batteries was really funny. I'd take painfully uncomfortable but funny over just unfunny any day.
Yeah, thats the purpose of that episode it was just painful
@@BetterThenNormal I agree that it was written well but I just want to ask how did you feel about Michael when you walked away from that episode?
The flanderization of Kevin is my biggest beef with the show. He was literally a potato by the end. It’s like, couldn’t they have done more for him even if he was the “dumb” one, some other character traits or something to showcase more of who he is.
And of course we all know how bad they screwed up Andy at the end. He was absolutely unbearable. Even if he had to film The Hangover I feel like they could have come up with something better to explain his absence and not make him such a horrible character when he returned.
I like that Kevin first was treated like an underdog, but he shows good traits (like the way he scores a basketball in a row). Sadly, they turn him into a dumb fatso who only cares for food.
He coulda been hit by a car
Pretending
@@Geral454 the chili scene was hilarious tho
You're ignoring when he calls out the Senator for being a terrible person. He also has a couple other one up moments after that that are great.
Also, Kevin pitching ideas to Robert California was fucking genius.
I loved Kevin coming to the defense of Angela and Oscar. He shows he may not be bright, but he is still on their team. #TeamAccountants
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As long as Michael is in the episode, there’s no way you can tell me it was the worst episode in the series.
Always felt when Sabre bought dunder Mifflin the show went downhill fast
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I’d have to disagree. Kathy Bates as Jo offered a character who was strong and convictional, which challenges Michael and allows for some good moments. Not to mention, I feel Gabe and his personality allowed for some great jokes. For me, and it seems to a lot of people, season 8 to its end is when things really started to lose its identity. But to each their own!
I honestly agree, I still mark Season 7 as pretty much same level as bad as 8 and 9. idk why half the episodes were awful (Nepotism, Christianing, are some of the worst episodes in the series imo, despite Michael still being in those, he could not save them.)
It's "Sah-Bre"
I'm watching the office for the first time and you're right!
imagine an alternate timeline where michael didnt leave the show early
I actually thought Michael leaving was actually appropriate. He had matured so much and found what he really wanted a real family not the family he had in the office. Not saying it’s bad to consider your friends family. I think they should’ve just picked a new manager and moved forward. If they had picked Dwight I think they could’ve written it like the intentional jerk learning to care instead of Michael who was a caring man learning how not to be an unintentional jerk.
I had also thought that, but seeing what they did to Andy, they'd probably destroy Michael with the last two seasons.
@@tormentadeabril5 nah, they couldn't have. Everyone loved writing for him. I dont think they woulda gone wrong (edit: especially with such a timeless character)
I personally feel like the whole show should have ended after Michaels departure. Or maybe one season after to get to the same conclusion the finale season did (Dwight & Angela getting married etc) because every character added after that was so exhausting. Will Ferrel failed immediately, Robert California was disgusting, and Andy as the manager honestly made no sense. Nellie, Pete, and Clark were pointless also. Don't get me wrong there's a small handful of times it was kind of funny but honestly just ruined the show for me.
@@tormentadeabril5 I still dont understand why Andy got the treatment he did. He deserved a satisfying character arc going from an angry dumbass to a caring boyfriend (and manager). Instead they went from intentionally making people dislike him as a one off character > implementing him as a main character and redeeming him > deleting his redemption and making him shit
The one where Pam and Jim "express each others gratitude" is so cringe I have to fast-forward past it on rewatches.
The entire story line of Pam and Jim in season 9 is over-the-top cringe.
And this is a show that built its reputation on cringe.
It was because they were planning on Pam having an affair with Brian from the camera crew. They were tearing Jims and Pam relationship down because they wanted them to divorce. It was only when they saw the reactions of the audience to the documentary film crew interacting with the characters that they changed their minds. Luckily, because it would have destroyed the series. 9 seasons of Jim and Pam together would be thrown away for some flat character.
Michael Schur (one of the writers) was strongly against the idea of the film crew interacting with the characters. Greg Daniels however always wanted to reveal the film crew at some point. When Schur was leaving for "Parks and Recreation", Daniels decided to do this
@@folkert2938 how did Greg Daniels, pretty much the main person responsible for this series lose sight of what made his show a success?
@@wokeclub1844 Good question. There could be several reasons.
One reason for example is that Jim and Pams love story was finished: they were married and had kids. With Jim and Pam being one of the most important characters in the show (and even more after Michael's departure), something interesting needed to happen to them.
But their story was already completed in a positive way. The only thing they could do was tear it down and bring them back together. Interesting fact: John Krasinski actually refused to film the scene where Jim was supposed to cheat on Pam with Cathy. That move from Krasinski saved the show from another disaster in the already bad season 8 and 9.
Another reason could be that it was a desperate attempt to get the viewer count back up as they were experiencing low views for a long time. But the first reason seems the most likely.
TBH I just watched the office for first time in like a straight run with no gaps so I guess I can know where did it went wrong and it was totally the Andy arc in season 9 . I loved the Andy that was in season 8 but season 9 literally destroyed all his character development with that boat trip nonsense . Otherwise I didn't feel like absence of Michael Scott did effect me that much but they should at least make other characters still talk about him as this was like that they just deleted Michael Scott out of existence which was wrong imo
I couldn't agree more with this comment. Well put 👏
the show didn't have the same vibe without michael, but andy was a good replacement in season 8 until they ruined him
@@angelinaxtriana EXACTLY
Yeah! It just feels so unlikely that after getting Erin back Andy would randomly go on a boat trip... Poor Andy he was one of my favorite characters
The thing that bugged me the most was how long Andy pined for Erin, then he finally got her, only to lose her again and turn into a nationwide laughing stock.
When I saw how messy Jim was when he rented a house with Derryl I asked my friend "this doesn't look like Jim"... Cause like from what we've seen I've never imagined Jim to be like that.
I think that was more him opening up and feeling like a kid again to get away from what he thought was a prison. Stable work, wife, kids, house etc In that episode he has this exciting new job, no wife or kids there and is rooming with Darryl. Just my opinion but it was him reversing to what he thought he wanted back and not actually what he wanted and had.
@@wiictvchannel1112 overthinking much
@@jorgebalbin5170 No, not really. That's basically what it was/is.
@@wiictvchannel1112 Nope
@DEEJMASTER 333 It simple my friend, poor writing at its best
My biggest problem with the office's late season is how unreal they are...I always thought that the office was about "reality"...it's like a funny way to look at it. But those office episodes are just...so fake.
Exactly! It just feels to Looney tuned
The first four seasons are good at being realistic. Then I gave birth to a watermelon.
Yeah, while realism isn’t the priority of comedy that’s what made the office different. It wasn’t the situations they got in that were funny, the situations were quite normal, it was the characters that made it funny.
Wait...what? You four actually think Michael Scott's character is funny? or realistic in any way? What the hell? I mean, I know some of you are bitter because you work for a boss that you think you're smarter than because, of course you do...you're all sadly unfortunately creatures who should be the boss if only people knew how smart you were...give me a break. Michael Scott's character early on was actually a fucking joke and he got better as time went on. Then Andy and Erin came on and that really damaged the show.
@@aaronsmith7946 no, we mean that most of the other characters and their reactions to the situations were more realistic, but then it eventually got to the point where they were all just kind of acting like michael
I never had a problem with Scott’s Tots.
It had humor, drama, & heart.
I loved the car drive back to the office where Michael tells Erin that he has a good feeling about her.
It wasn’t bad at all.
That whole episode really did a good job of showing how Michael always means well, but he is shockingly incapable of planning for anything in a realistic manner. Most people have sense enough to not even promise one child that they'll pay for their college. But Michael went WAY beyond most people.
Good episode for sure
I’m so sad Michael left.
I don’t think I’ll ever get over it.
Did you get over it yet?
Andy basically became Gabe 2.0 in the last season.
Nah he became an even worse version of Samford Andy.
Nah dont hate on the legend GSL
They did Andy dirty, just for the people to root for the Plop and Erin relationship.
Shut up about the sun SHUT UP ABOUT THE SUN
at least Gabe was somewhat funny. Andy was just cringe lmfao
Let's not forget what is really important.
Ryan started the fire.
Ryan started the fire !
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fire guy!
bet they dont teach you that in businnes school
It was always burnin’ since the world’s been turnin’!
The sabre days of the office do not exist in my memory
"Customer Loyalty" where Pam talks to the cameraman was the worst. Forcing conflict for no reason other than poor writing.
I realized that I loved the ending of The Office so much more because of the declining quality of the last two seasons. When Micheal came back I was genuinely happy he was back. Great show, great start, very good mid-point, pretty bad season 8 and 9, fantastic last three episodes. Would watch again.
I wouldn’t say The Office had a great start; season 1 is just okay and has a completely different vibe from later seasons.
@@sc1cash I remember hearing that in season 1 they were trying to make Micheal more serious like the boss from the office
I thought the last episode was terrible. They brought Michael back to do a funny dance.
Bringing Michael back was a waste. Hardly in the episode and had no real role in it other than a cameo.
@@afattori316 It was the finale. What else could they have done to make it a better ending and bring him back? A cameo is really all he needed if you ask me.
I will never understand why they tried to make Jim and Pam break up.
Stuff like that happens in long term relationships. Pam also had the pressure of two young children. The main reason they did it is because some sort of drama in the last season. Well, atleast it's a good thing they came back more loving than ever
@duck boi You just described the show industry. All the characters and shows are silly but people watch it because it's fun and nice to watch. Speak when you know.
Because "PeOpLe LoVe dRaMa" or some garbage. It's ridiculous.
@@WobblesandBean People do love drama. There isn't a single show where characters live without any drama.
It's reallistic, it would be weird if they never had a moment like that, and It was well written in my opinion, it wasn't brought out of nowhere
If you didn't want it to happen, it doesn't mean it was bad
People assume Scott’s Tots is the worst because of how absolutely uncomfortable the whole thing is, and how it somehow keeps ramping that up. But man there’s gotta be an acknowledgment of how amazing your writers have to be in order to commit to something like that and make it feel as real as it did.
Stanley’s reaction to finding out Scott’s Totts were graduating high school already made that entire episode.
We're all united by our disdain for Boom Mic Guy.
Lol yes.
No.
I didn't mind the idea of him but it was executed so strangely that It was ultimately pointless
@@bangitybangbabang Hit the nail on the head. They built it up like it was going to be something show-changing and then it just fizzled out. Why even incorporate it then? Terrible idea.
I hated it, it was so dumb, and the idea of Pam being unfaithful to Jim was so stupid O just couldn't handle it. Actually the whole thing of both them fighting because he was away seemed stupid to me
I always thought the last 2 seasons failed without Michael because it lost focus of what the show was about. It wasn’t so much a mockumentary with relatable situations as it became a sitcom that jumped the shark
This is literally what he said in the video.
I honestly liked "Mafia". I think the writers decided the make everyone crazy in this episode. They made Kevin 100x dumber, they made Oscar 100x more annoying, they made Andy, Michael and Dwight 100x more dramatic, and there was also a deleted plotline where everyone was being mean to Erin because they thought she was talking dirt on Pam and then accidentally ruins her painting. It also shows how the office is when the only 2 normal characters (jim and pam) aren't around, the place gets unbalanced. It's a goofy episode I like it
Destroying Pam's painting would have been a gut punch to the soul of that show. The fact that Lieberstein came up with that, and they even filmed it, is mind boggling. Thank God they deleted it.
@@johnjones3813😂
There is “‘no WORST episode that would feature Steve Carrel..definitely many of those in the last two seasons…especially with Nelly and the terrible rewritten Andy post season 7…they fucked up what they had been building since she first appeared : / . They were so perfect and had the perfect arc where he went down to Florida for her
Scott's Tots isn't a bad episode. It's just difficult to watch because it gets really uncomfortable. But the writing is excellent and so is the acting.
All of Season 8 is basically the definition of flanderization
it’s my least favorite season
Season 9 is a lot worse
Ned Flanderiziation?
@@corgio1260 I don’t think it is. Season nine isn’t good, but season eight is so awful it makes me physically ill every time I watch it. That’s not a joke. It literally gives me a migraine, it’s made me vomit on some viewings. That’s a me problem, but season eight is the one I’m least likely to revisit.
@@wigglermain Season 9 was a shitshow. The Jim Pam conflict was unnecessary, the boom guy was a horrible idea, the Angela Oscar plot was bad, plop and clark were mediocre, and RC, Ryan, Kelly, and Gabe left who I thought were all hilarious in season 8.
I really liked the "fire drill" episode, it was hilarious 😂 but the worst one was probably when erin broke up with andy, nothing was really funny in that episode, it was more of a "serious" episode
I still sing "Hey Mr Scott, what you gonna do?". That episode is amazing!
The best joke from The Mafia is when Dwight says why the letter ‘R’ is menacing
*m u k d u k*
What’s makes me the most upset about the Office, is the amazing growth the writers gave Andy, just for them to destroy his character in the end of the show. And don’t say it’s because Ed Helms was doing movies, they definitely could have wrote his character better so it had more closure...
Nellie and Andy is the reason season 9 was the second worst season
Scott's Tots is one of the best because it's the most painful to watch. It's A MASTERPIECE.
Great episode
Your right about everything but the kevin bit.
"I think we should let the criminal use the card a little longer" is genuinely funny to me
the worst episode was when kevin dropped his pot of chilli
Everyone is so insufferable in that episode. I always skip it. Same with New Leads in season 6
That broke my heart
@@irongirltoni ik its so sad I don't get how its funny
it hurts my heart
omg i saw that scene and cried, he was telling us how much he cared about the dish and how much effort he put in and i’m suppose to laugh when it fells :(( also he looks so sad agh, i always skip it :(
I always thought Scott's Tots was one of the best episodes. It's cringe humor so I get why some people dont like it but it's legitimately hilarious. And Stanley laughing uncontrollably always cracks me up. " Hey Mr. Scott what you gonna do, What you gonna do, make our dreams come true" lmao
The people here who dislike it couldn’t tolerate the infinitely superior British series. It’s one of the few episodes that approaches what Gervais/Merchant did
Scott’s Tots is the essence of what this show is supposed to be, Michael is supposed to make you feel uncomfortable and cringe, this and the dinner party are two of the best episodes, for someone to say this is the worst they clearly don’t understand comedy. Is it one of the worse things Michael has done sure but the episode as a whole is a classic
I think the creators of The Office learned a lot about how to correct these issues in Parks & Recreation. I don't think P&R ever lost its focus. Of course part of that is because the main character, Amy Poehler, never left.
The worst for me was the one where Dwight shot Stanley with the tranq. That was the "jump the shark" episode for me.
Yup, that one is rough
actually that one was pretty funny and charming so i dont mind the ridiculousness. I mean the us office has always been kinda silly lol
@@alfa01spotivo I could not disagree more.
That would have been much more funny if it was a one-off. If the show wasn't mostly just slapstick by that point, it would have been a great (comedic) demonstration of how unhinged Dwight could actually be... Also Meredith using the tranquiliser to get high made me laugh my arse off
I was just worried for the man's health. I dunno, the fact that they guy had a heart attack years before made me keep wondering if they would kill him off (even though I knew they'd never do that)
‘The farm’ is the worst episode as it doesn’t feel like an episode of the office. I know it was made to start a spin off series and that’s also part of the problem.
Which was that?
@@joefollo4891 the one where Oscar and Dwight goes to the funeral together and Dwight and his siblings get a larger farm. It also introduced that farmer girl who kinda dated Dwight for a few episodes.
@@deppstepp3330 Thanks! I kind of remember it. Well, it’s off of Netflix so I guess I won’t be seeing it.
The thing is, it wasn't made to start a spin off, but was actually supposed to be the pilot episode of the spin off, rather than an episode of the Office that tries to spin off another show. So that's why it doesn't feel like an episode of the Office is because it originally wasn't supposed to be. Only after they found out that the Farm Spin Off was not greenlighted, did they make it an episode of the Office instead.
Thank you for saying that. Farm was the worst imo
Andy and Erin were my favourite couple through the whole thing! I seen it as a breath of fresh air and then they ruined my favourite character (Andy) and broke them up
The writers screwed up any character, especially Andy and Ryan who seemed better than the four narcissists of the show, Jim, Pam, Michael, and Dwight.
@@rayunited2010foryou Oh come on. None of them were narcissists.
@@austenpoppy558 Ah, yes, they were not, right!
man i m starting to feel bad because i am on the end of season 8 and Andy and Dwight are the best things since Michael Scott left
I stopped watching when Micheal left, and I couldn’t believe it when I saw the clip of the sound guy defending Pam from being killed? Attacked? So unbelievably dumb
The last “that’s what she said” kills me every time 😭🥲
best of the series! lol.
I haven't finished The Office yet XD I think I'm in season 7 or 8, but it feels like work to sit through it at this point.
Especially knowing what's ahead. I'm really sad Andy's character arc got screwed over. He grew on me.
There was a definite decline after Michael left and it felt like they were just throwing in random characters to see what would stick.
I have never watched more than 2 episodes past michael leaving
@@alpd7638 season 8 was good until the andy gets fired arc
The 3-4 episodes of Dwight, Jim and others going to Tallahassee are amazing. Dwight shines in those episodes!!
The last couple seasons aren’t great. But honestly, the series finale is my favorite series finale ever.
Exactly
I'm dreading this bc i loved andy 'til s8
Just by reading some of these comments i feel the urge to drop the show rn (e3/s9)
for me the last two seasons were the WORST without michael it’s feel always like something was missing and what they did to andy also was really bad
I never bought Andy and Erin. It seemed so forced. Jim/Pam, Dwight/Angela, Michael/Holly i bought all of them. It felt like the network demanded another will-they-wont-they couple, so they shoved two random people together.
“I will have the Gobbagoul.” 😂 How can anyone not like “Mafia”!
just for the line if the salad is on top i send it back and mikes face after that is worth a watch..he knows he just said something really stupid and he catches himself
it was explained in the video
@@razkable My girl and I always say this line randomly. Def one Michael’s best lines.
When michael got on that plane, I went with him.
I consider that exit scene with Pam the REAL finale. It was perfect -- ending with Michael finding the love he never had before.
Sorry not my fave character. There were some duff episodes with michael and some good ones without him.
Dwight should have been manager from the start ❤
as much as i adore this show the last couple seasons really sometimes are hard to watch. it truly isn’t the same without michael, well he may have not been the main character I feel like he definitely played a big part in the structure of the episodes so once he was gone the show felt completely different :/
I am gonna be honest Robert California was not a fun character. He is just somehow a weird person who has “good ideas” when his good ideas somehow don’t work imo. He drags the employees out all the way to Florida on some business endeavour just to tank it all instead of fixing the core problem with the business endeavour. He just did not work well honestly.
The one where Jim pranks Dwight with the snowmen was my least favourite. I found it weirdly mean and dark so just ultimately uncomfortable to watch
You mean when Dwight pranks Jim?
jim hitting dwight in the face first was really uncomfortable to watch you could feel what dwight was feeling emotionally through how he reacted and jims pranks are usually meant to be funny and mess with him mentally rather than physically.
@@vanghostvvs Yeah, but when Dwight got revenge he hit Jim so many times with snowballs that Jim was bleeding.
imo thats actually a cool take on jim vs dwight. Its just one episode so it doesnt really bother me much
In the end, the real snowball was fear is a great line
To quote Kevin Malone, "He’s making all these fancy, uh, it’s a gut thing."
Psst.... Scott's Tots is secretly one of the shows best. It's honestly my favorite episode to show people because their reactions are simply the Best. I remember when I was binging the office for the first time that when I got to mafia, that truly felt like the first episode of the show that felt incredibly phoned in
Love the video and thought put into it. I'd say what happened to the Office happened really, really fast in other shows like Brooklyn Nine Nine. I didn't even know this terminology, but these underlining factors are what made me eventually dislike a show I initially couldn't stop watching.
I actually enjoy the Nellie coup section of the episode: "I demand a 5% raise." "Absolutely not. I'll give you 7%." "No, I'll take 6. I know my worth." Hilarious
Totally disagree, but I respect your opinion.
@@jamestaylor5417 dwight makes that scene...typical dwight..
I never understood the hatred for Nellie. I liked her character a lot. I actually developed a lot of sympathy for her because of how awful Andy treated her. He took it too far and threatened to ruin her life personally. What were the writers thinking?
@@abbynormal8702 she deserves it
God I just love Nellie and agree with you completely
The worst episode is the one about that guy from the crew, I think his name was Brian or something.
Scotts tots was one of the best episodes, it's just so hard to watch
In answer to the question at the end. I would describe it as a show that's main focus is on a hilariously hopeless yet likable boss...that went as soon as Michael left and therefore lost it's way
mafia was just stupid, it was the breakdown of kevin's character for me
Yh I was like his not this stupid
Nocap still enjoy that episode tho
i still enjoy that episode though, i never had a problem with it but i agree and see where the complaints lie. the scene at the restaurant just saves it for me
He was pretending. Duh
'if the salad's on top, i send it back!"
mike's face right as he finished that sentence kills me every time...
I despise "Mafia" but Michael can make a turd look like gold. I loved that line haha
Scott’s tots was never the worst- just the most horrifying
“It’s like someone punching you in the face and feeding you cake in between each hit.” Brilliant!😂😂😂😂
I genuinely love mafia. It shows how Michael reacts without jim and pam. It’s really great to see Michael with horrible advice from Dwight and Andy. I think it was great, but just my opinion
Same here! Probably in my top 20 tbh
Yeah the reason everyone seemed so overly dumb was because they were, Pam and Jim just ground everyone most of the time. Plus by this point in the show all the characters were so exaggerated that this was just their personalities.
I think I would describe Jim as a slob. In earlier episodes when he jokingly mentions that Pam could move in with him, they both mentioned that they are both slobs.
The episode “Mafia” is actually one of my favorites lol
The best part of the episode was Andy being a mechanic
Scott’s Tots is an amazing episode but it’s just so agonizing to watch
It’s the “worst” episode of The Office in that it is Michael at his worst morally. It’s one of the best episodes of The Office though.
More people would come to our country if we had Schrute Farms
Even a turtle would visit your country if that was the case
More people would come if it wasnt a horrible dictatorship
More people would come to your country more if you open your boarders
Why don't you buy em out?
We do have Schrute farms. All over Lancaster Pennsylvania and wherever there are mennonites or Amish
I think that the worst part about romcom and sitcom shows that have relationships is that no one is allowed to be happy in their relationship unless they're never on the show again. Because happy relationships require you to find something else to make the plot. Writers like writing the flirty, courtship part of a romance, where people go on dates and woo each other and surprise each other, they get 1 month into a relationship and hit the honeymoon period where everything is working, and then BAM! Conflict, miscommunication, breakup, tension, messy emotions, easy TV. It seems like no writer has figured out how to make a healthy long-term relationship in a show without breaking them up at least once, unless they're not focused on enough in the show to get storylines to themselves! Genuinely the only TV show I can think of that gets close is Fairy Oddparents, and I'm pretty sure they've split at some point anyways!
I think Lily and Marshall, Jim and Pam and Glenn and Maggie from The walking Dead were couples made it right i also really like Thomas Shelby and Grace but yeah they ended up killing her so...
@@diogomarques9228 Jim and Pam are not a healthy couple, every time there was any focus on their relationship after the wedding it was about the strain on it due to events.
@@MorningDusk7734That was realistic. Just living life and how individual responds to situations can put stress and strain on relationships.