Widower seeking accountability after home birth tragedy
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- A Safford, AZ man shared his story of loss with ABC15 after his wife and son died in childbirth. The state health department is now trying to revoke the license of the midwife who attended their homebirth. Sarah Kankiewicz is scheduled for an informal settlement conference with Arizona Department of Health Services representatives on Wednesday. She was the midwife attending the home birth of Jordan Terry, 28, an emergency room nurse from Safford. Jordan was expecting her third child and her due date was on December 2023.
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I hate victim blaming and the midwife deserves her license revoked believe me but the wife had a previous complicated c-section. Why did she do a home birth man, they don’t just warn you for no reason after a c :(
It is their fault for making those decisions
My thoughts exactly.
I agree. It was their choice. He's as much to blame as anyone.
Always someone wanting to place the blame on someone, especially when they were aware of the complications, and risks, but instead moved forward with a midwife that had been investigated.
The midwife needs prison time. It’s murder x’s 2. Bc even if the family was wrong, she should have known better and said no.
Literally, not one adult involved did anything right in this situation.
Agreed!!
I feel sorry for the family, but I understand that there was lack of practicality and research about the midwife and the situation. Although, I wonder if she was thoroughly educated by previous doctors about why she had a C-section and what state her uterus was in.
We are in 2024 for godSake ! Why risk it?
@@rubytuesday1316 Because medical misinformation is rampant. People stop trusting doctors and start trusting their crystals.
It was their first baby and trusted a wack job
Wait... she was a nurse, had complicated/ high-risk c-sections previously? And yet she chose to have a midwife come in to perform a home birth? Come on, I dont like victim blaming, but if anyone should have known this was a very, very bad idea, it should have been her.
Thank you!! Yea like she’s a NURSE😮
She should have stopped at two. There's no excuse for having more than two.
Come on though, there are plenty of nurses who are anti Vax, that nursing degree doesn't give common sense
@@abfranchi Only mindless sheep still think being forced to take the vax was a good thing.
@abfranchi
What does this have to do with anti-vax? Also, I’m a nurse and almost no nurse I know is anti-vax. A very few refused the new COVID vaccine initially when it was mandated for healthcare workers and quit, or were fired. Turns out they had legitimate reasons to be concerns. Did you know 600,000 people worldwide developed Bell’s palsy within 30 days after the vaccine? I know someone like that and she now has a permanently paralyzed face. What you don’t realize is that we’ve been getting vaccinated for years with other vaccines and that we have legitimate reasons for having concerns about this one. I’m so thankful it’s not mandated for my job anymore, because the last booster caused memory issues for me. Having said that, this nurse should have known better and the midwife should have refused to assist and told her to go to the hospital. They’re both at fault.
She was a nurse who had high-risk deliveries before and doesn't have a hospital birth? This was a recipe for disaster.
I bet she wouldn't have gotten them vaccinated for polio.
@@halfbakedmedia Don't be an ass.
Agree.
Trolling comments where a mother and baby lost their lives…
Class act.
I agree I’m sorry but what was she thinking
Did I hear this correctly? The woman giving birth was a nurse? She should have absolutely known better. I wasn’t even allowed to go into labor with my second child because of the fact that I had a previous c-section. Both the patient and the midwife acted negligently here.
exactly
You can have a vb after a c-section. It can be more risky or complicated for some women but there have also been many successful vbacs. Everyone needs to know their own risks, their medical history and make informed decisions.
My daughter had a c-section with her first baby. The second baby came out at home right when she went to washroom. There was no time for anyone to get there on time except her husband who was with her.
I was offered to have a natural birth after a C-section
Successful VBAC here.
She already had 2 high risk births in the hospital and the children and her survived. Common sense would have been to give birth in the hospital again after two c-sections. Midwives never went to medical school, are not doctors and are not trained for high risk births.
Registered Nurse midwives are highly trained. Lay midwives are trained with experience but not formally medically trained. A registered nurse midwife usually works with providers and hospitals, and has a back up plan. If I were having a baby after to c-sections I would get an all clear from an Obstetrician before I attempted VBAC and I would NOT do it at home. That is a big risk and a midwife redflag. She should have known better.
@@archerandthemouse They are NOT doctors. I don't care how trained you think they are.
@@archerandthemouse yeah, that’s fine but not for high-risk pregnancies
@@blackcherry6877 I am not arguing that they are not doctors but you don't need a doctor for most deliveries. Having a baby isn't a medical emergency. If you have one or any complications a doctor is the way to go, and I think I stated hospital or birth center.
@archerandthemouse You just said having a baby is not a medical emergency...you have absolutely no credibility/knowledge/commonsense 🤦♀️
I ruptured after my second c section, with my third baby. Thank God I was already in the hospital, I had a feeling I needed to go despite not being in labor. I ruptured within an hour of arriving. It was real close, but we both made it. I thank God every day for whatever made me go to the ER and thank the doctors who took me straight to the OR.
Were you still able to get pregnant again after that or did you have to get your uterus removed?
@@20PINKluvr they patched me up but warned me not to get pregnant again. Hubby was going to get snipped but the month before his appt, we had a condom split and boom…our 4th was on his way (a week before ovulation mind you, he was a real surprise). Needless to say, I went to a high risk OBGYN who did frequent ultrasounds and I was on bed rest the last 6 months. My OB took him a month early and while he did have a short stay in the NICU, he was healthy and fine. Since I was already open, I made sure they tied my tubes- cut, fried, stitched, clamped. The pregnancy was a breeze but we all worried, my husband most of all. He still feels guilty and that was 20 years ago. But short answer is, yes, it’s possible to have a successful pregnancy following a rupture but not recommended, especially if you can’t stay off your feet. But I love my little surprise guy so much, I can’t imagine life any other way. On a side note, I was diagnosed with Elhers Danlos after his birth and found out many women with this condition are at high risk of rupture, especially if they’ve had a previous C-section but it can happen spontaneously even without one.
Not to victim blame but if you KNOW you have medical issues, and you choose a home birth, you’re choosing to possibly kill yourself and your kid. It’s selfish.
As an ER Nurse this mother certainly knew what she was risking with her 'home birth'. How in the world can that 'experience' be worth the risk of being very far from any advanced medical care during the delivery? Sadly, these 2 deaths were likely 100% preventable.
Your comment is unhelpful, this midwife has publicly stated she will continue to practice even after her license has been revoked. She has many cases where people have been hurt and lives altered. Whether or not Jordan knew it was risky is not the point. This woman failed to check vitals! This woman failed to call for the help needed when it could have saved Jordan and her baby, because she’s a stubborn and egotistical woman. She needs to be stopped
Considering the US has an abnormally high maternal mortality rate you're not really guaranteed quality healthcare anywhere here, even in a hospital. Especially in a red state. TX is one of the worst states to give birth in.
Women's healthcare in the US is a disgrace. It's an embarrassment how badly we treat female patients. Especially patients who are POC.
Most women choose home birth because they have previously experienced a traumatic birth at the hospital. It's not just about having some hippy dippy experience, it's about not experiencing coercion, freedom of movement, avoiding interventions that cause issues, etc. Many hospital interventions are unnecessary and dangerous. The problem is that this midwife was negligent. Women do not normally die from home births.
Agreed. Sadly a lot of women get focused on the “experience” instead of acknowledging the reality of the risks. Hopefully, others can learn and this man gets justice for his family.
Your comment makes no sense. Just because Jordan was an ER nurse does not mean it gives this midwife the right/excuse to be negligent. She needs to be held accountable and prevented from putting other women and babies at risk. Rest in peace, Jordan and baby.
The two children who lost their mom are the biggest victims here.
The parents knew better and decided to take a huge risk. They took the risk. So now he has to live with their choices.
He can easily remarry, but the two children will never get their mom back.
💯
And the poor baby.
He looked like he had mourned, grieved and on to the next chapter of his life....didn't sit well with me. Js
@@sharoneuby-62 yeah, hes showing off those teeth, suspiciously a lil too much
The key words here were, “we had a vision.”
That blocked all rational thinking. So sorry for the family.
As a NURSE his wife had no business doing a VBAC. She knew better. And it’s sad she didn’t choose better.
Then why are DOCTORS doing vbacs.
@@beautifulwonder398Doing VBACs are dangerous and should outlawed. My cousin had four children and each one of them were healthy C-section babies.
@@beautifulwonder398 there are people in every profession that will do things for money
@@beautifulwonder398 I had a Vbac
Wow! How can that mother even think about it. He is in the right to sue because the midwife sdvertised regarding VBAC. But he surely knows this is preventable. I won't blame him though, I'm sure the in such cases, the woman is so adamant, a husband will just follow.
All this risk because the wife wants to be a midwife. 😮
She was a nurse with no critical thinking skills. Let that sink in.
Wondering that
I've wondered about this for years....how? I've noticed it though, not as uncommon as you'd think it would be. I've wondered, how do these people get through all that schooling? Probably just able to memorize and regurgitate information well enough but never developed the ability to synthesize it
Common sense ain’t so common.
It will never cease to amaze me when people ignore scientific evidence, medical consensus, anecdotal stories, and history as a whole.... You see it all the time, especially with the current state of our politics. It's just disappointing.
This is why schools need to continue to push critical thinking, even though the right is trying push laws to limit the spread of knowledge.
The nurse patient knew the risks but played the odds! 😢
Trying for a vaginal birth following C-sections is already dangerous but to do it at home with a midwife is delusional. To think that a nurse herself chose to do this is like a reality show of Jack Ass.
There’s a lot of successful vbacs at home. People just don’t talk about. Midwives are extremely trained and this is unfortunate that this midwife let it get to this. Most would not.
It's not that dangerous, but it should risk you out of a home birth by any competent midwife.
Why someone that had a C-section needs to have another one for her next pregnancy? Just wondering 👍🏼
@DolceAnz because the uterus has been cut to get the baby out once....the c section cuts through layers of abdominal muscle and the uterus to retrieve the baby. Having your uterus cut can increase your chances of uterine rupture in a subsequent birth, which is a medical emergency and can cause death if not treated immediately. Often women who have had a c section are advised to not try a vaginal delivery again bc of this risk.
No doubt Dad is full of regret in regards to their “ideal” birth situation under the Christmas tree. So risky.
As a L&D RN of 24 years in a busy teaching hospital, Never, NEVER, EVER VBAC AT HOME!!!!!!
Accountability, but not for his wife or himself. Hypocrisy and idiocy at its finest.
He looks fishy...smiling ear to ear
When he said they had this vision of a birthing pool in the living room under the Christmas tree, I thought this poor man and his wife were trying to live in some fantasy world. Just because somebody gives the answers people want to hear doesn’t make them more qualified or competent. This couple had some picture perfect idea in their heads and it turned out to be a nightmare.
You’re not wrong. It’s horrible all around. Horrible and foolish.
@86crud no, im not wrong. My opinion is just different from yours. That doesn't make me wrong. A nurse should have known that she was at higher risk having had a prior c-section.
@@crimwolf7672 I think you misunderstood. I typed you’re not wrong. Yes, I’m astounded that a nurse risked a vbac at home on top of not researching her midwife before hiring her.
Accountability and responsibility falls on the parents. They chose home birth. And they chose the midwife who they did not fully research first. In this man's grief he wants to put blame on someone to alleviate his own pain. It's part of the process.
agreed
Sad, but could make him feel better.
This is the brutal truth. They should’ve known better.
$$$ Cures all ails.
As a mom with 4 hospital births and 4 home births, you are exactly correct.
Why people are so obsessed with home births?
Idk because it’s something that occurred for thousands of years before a hospital
And many women died during them.
@@rebeccaa2433 many women have died during hospital births as well what’s your point
@@TheAS687 with complications a woman's chances are much better in a hospital where they have the staff and facilities to care for her needs. Blood loss alone is catastrophic at home vs the hospital where blood is readily available.
Because doctors and nurses can be controlling. Forcing their wants and desires (especially medications) upon you.
Also nurses have too many patients to care for nowadays. Therefore you don't get proper care even in hospital. Many women have lost their life because of nurses not checking on a patient properly after a c-section.
Also nurses and doctors will lie saying that you are progressing when you are not. Why they do this is beyond me.
It's really hard to rest in a hospital with all the machines, announcements, and people entering into your room.
The list goes on....
Why would you do this at home far from a hospital?? She's a nurse and makes this decision??
Because even nurses know how horrible the hospital can be.
@@-_-Jacob-_-What do you mean?
She would’ve atleast survived if she had the baby at the hospital, they have everything they need to help high risk people.
Accountability is needed by all involved. He’s throwing all the blame on the midwife but it was his & his wife’s decision to do a home birth after having had c-sections. I’m sorry for his losses but they knew the risks going in, especially with her being a nurse.🤦🏼♀️
Its sad, the lady was a nurse and already had a complicated c section. Why even risk having the baby at home.
Agree they all have responsibility
Nurses today aren’t even smart. Most are dei hires.
I don't know what her complications on her previous births were, but I was warned on my first child not to try going through labor--after a bout of Braxton-Hicks, they hospitalized me and took the baby that night because the contractions had gotten more serious, plus he was full-term so there was no reason to put it off. The first pregnancy was just complicated enough that I didn't even consider not having a c-section with my second, would have been horrified of trying it at home. I feel really bad for the husband, but that was sooooo risky.
Soo let me get this right. She was an ER nurse and choose a home delivery after complications with a previous C-section. As a nurse myself I know the risks of uterine rupture. I wish she would have went to the hospital and not a home birth 😔😔
Right? This makes absolutely no sense. She had two very high risk deliveries that occurred in the hospital, so…..3rd time’s the charm? Roll the dice on that tiebreaker? So not just one, but two people with medical backgrounds looked at the previous dangerous deliveries and said ‘chyup let’s do this!’ Yes, a scar represents the stronger part of any injury, however, the surrounding tissue is that much more susceptible to rupture. Along with so many countless complications that a midwife is just incredibly unprepared for and this is just a recipe for disaster and tragedy. I believe the midwife is just a complete fraud who should absolutely lose her license, but where’s the due diligence on this ER nurse’s part? There’s absolutely no chance she wasn’t intelligent enough to know to check the credentials and rating on this person, but also to know enough that having *A HOME DELIVERY UNDER THE CHRISTMAS TREE AND STOCKINGS* was just grossly negligent and terribly irresponsible and dangerous on her part. I don’t care what this midwife promised, she was educated in the medical field and knew enough physicians that would have advised her on the correct steps to take, even if she chose to ignore them.
Stop blaming people for your bad decisions. We all have choices. You chose this person, you chose to give birth at home...all of this was chosen
I agree. He wishes he knew then what he knows now, but we knew this was a very bad idea.
Yeah Einstein that's what they said we really didn't need you to regurgitate it
@@rachelsill79 I’m so glad you made this statement to put Christine in her place. How dare she reiterate something that was said during the video. I’m sure she will remember your comment in the future before she makes the same mistake again. You are out here doing God’s work.
The mid wife should have refused. The mother knew the odds yes but the mid wife was the expert in this situation and she was already under investigation.
As a nurse and wanting to be a midwife……where is her accountability? She should have known the risks………especially with her medical history. Amazing.
so a wanna Be Midwife ?! I am a Nurse also but never say anything unless I knew the whole story not just a news clip .
@@LittlePieceOfHeaven. She was an ER nurse ,who wanted to become a midwife. I'm surprised she wanted a home birth after the c- section with complications. I was told after my c- section the likelihood of needing another one was high if I got pregnant again. I wish she and her husband would've chosen a different route and vetted the midwife better.
She probably just seen a paycheck and not the obvious of the risk
Pretty sure she paid the ultimate accountability, tragically. 💔
Cause some people always think “ it’s never going to happen to me”
Jorden put her health and the health of her child in sever danger. The Midwife should have NEVER have accepted such a risk prone case.
Right! Why would you accept this case?
I know the doctor that performed the C-section on this mother told her that if she was to have another child, it would also be delivered by a C-section.
@@reneeb4756the guy shouldn’t be able to sue the midwife. That was on the parents for wanting a home birth
Why would this couple take such a risk knowing she had a c-section prior.
Without hospitals, child birth was very risky and dangerous…why go back to that? Sure most births go off without a hitch but sometimes there’s a problem. I think it’s ridiculous to take that chance
The husband said that the midwife told him everything he wanted to hear. That’s not what medical people are supposed to do. They’re supposed to tell you how it is, not what you want to hear. And if they wanted a midwife, why not have one in the hospital working with the doctor? Homebirth is the scariest thing I can think of. I’m so sorry for this family.
The wife was a nurse... she knew what she was doing and what the risks were. She should have more knowledge than the midwife.. she went to nursing school.
I had an amazing home birth, all went perfectly. I wasn't scared at all.
@awkwardautistic Just because she went to medical school doesn't mean she knows more than a midwife or anyone else. In an emergency situation, she would be useful. Otherwise, no.
Homebirth is not scary. They always show bad cases to try to sway people to think it's the worst in the world when in reality, it was the thing before conventional medicine decided to tkse over and make profits from it and treat it as an emergency. It's a natural occurrence that happens in a woman's life. Generally, homebirth is safe.
@@MeganJohnson913I didn't say she knew more than the midwife or anyone else. But she went through nursing school and had given birth once before.. so she should have known the risks.
And giving birth can be scary no matter where it happens... women die all the time. Many women today are a lot less healthy than they were in the past as well.. which increases the risk.
Yes, in general it's safe.. but obviously things can and do happen.
It is regrettable that an ER nurse, who previously underwent a cesarean section, made the decision to hire a midwife from Facebook without verifying her credentials. This unfortunate incident resulted in the demise of both the mother and the infant. As a medical professional, the nurse should have exercised greater caution in selecting a qualified healthcare provider.
They just looked until they found someone who said what they wanted to hear.
Poor baby is the victim of an incompetent midwife and selfish parents
Shouldn’t have been at home in the first place.
Theres a reason doctors train for 13-15 years
And yet many of them fail too. They are not gods. I know of women who lost their babies while delivering at a hospital and it was the doctor's fault. Yes, there was a malpractice suit, and they won.
@@tessmoore3762 out of curiosity, how many women lost how many babies due to malpractice? Truly curious to know what state board allowed that to occur.
@@tessmoore3762 they are not gods thats why they train for 13-15 yrs
@@tessmoore3762 Never mentioned they were gods though.
Yes very true. There is a reason why death rates are so low in this country who have access to good medical professionals.
It really surprises me how many people don't realize how dangerous giving birth is just in general even at a hospital. So, I've never understood why anyone would take those chances and choose to have home births. There's so many things that can go wrong in an instant without professional doctors or nurses there to help. Just imagine how long it takes EMS just to arrive. It surprises me even more this young lady was a nurse and clearly knew all the risks, yet still took her chances. It's utterly heartbreaking. RIP Mama & baby! 💔
Nurses KNOW that a home birth after 2 caesareans is dangerous. Did the mother think her body was infallible? 😢
Unfortunately, people in general tend to have a “bad things only happen to other people” mentality. They want a certain thing so much they will talk themselves into believing that something tragic won’t happen to them.
I was thinking the same. I’m surprised that she decided to have a home birth. She shouldn’t gotten medical input from a obgyn before moving forward. This was a disaster waiting to happen. The midwife should’ve never agreed to do this . This was way out of her scope . So sad
She was better off having VBaC at the hospital but maybe she had such terrible births prior to this one that she didn’t trust hospital’s .
Unfortunately they were too into social media making births look to easy. The image of giving birth in a fairy pool was too high.
And would give her credibility for her own goals to become a midwife! My Maternal/ Child instructor was a midwife from India, whose rural clients had no choice but to deliver in the fields they worked in. When my teacher got to Canada she got her RN degree, and worked in a hospital Labour and Delivery. As Nursing students we asked her are you going to open a midwife practice here? She very clearly said while she thought hospitals could improve the birthing experience, she didn't understand why women would want to be so far from the best help possible, just to be " in style".
I had five children with midwives, one at home. No complications, all healthy. But without any painkillers, childbirth is excruciating. This trend of presenting it as a "beautiful experience" seems a little over-competitive and not really helpful for women. I've tried to warn people but they think I'm just not good enough at the Jedi mind tricks required to shut off the pain.
A doctor FOR SURE advised her no and she still did it. I work in OB and these young moms (not all the time BUT ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE NURSES) think THEY know better. We have seen it time and time again. Prayers for her family and her young children.
There's a lot of things I would rather treat at home than a hospital. Giving birth isn't one of them. My experience wasn't pleasant but I'm alive and well today.
The couple knew the risks. They are in part responsible. The midwife definitely should not be practicing.
Did the OB/GYN doctor agree with the mothers decision to attempt a home birth? The midwife should have turned her down as a patient/client with her delivery history.
the MW specialized in VBACs….so probably why so many of her patients died, idk.
Why did you ask if the OB/ GYN doctor agree with the mothers decision, the doctor ( unfortunately) can’t stop her
I thought the same thing- I wonder if her Ob Gyn advised against a home birth. If she had high risk pregnancies, I’m sure at some point during her prenatal care, she was informed of the risks of her home birthing plan. They can’t stop her per se, but the blame shouldn’t solely fall on the midwife either.
I'm sure many of her coworkers warned her, not to mention as a nurse she knew the risks.
I said the exact same thing.
I’m so sorry to this beautiful family..I can’t imagine what he’s going through. 💔
I'm pregnant with my fourth, all my previous babies were c-sections. As much as I don't want another I know it's the safest option for both my little boy and I. My heart goes out to this family, I wish his wife didn't try to have a home birth full well knowing it could kill her.
My mom was a labor and delivery nurse, one of her coworkers decided to have a VBAC , my mother ( a very experienced LD nurse tried to tell her how risky it was, her coworker insisted on doing it anyway, her uterus ruptured, they lost the baby, had to do an emergency hysterectomy and the mom almost died as well, I am a nurse, I’ve had 2 C-Sections, I would rather be alive and have my 2 sons than try to have a VBAC ( and she had it at home!) even if it had not been a VBAC, there is a reason women started having babies in a hospital, so sad for this family.
Yes, but also women end up in a lot of unnecessary C-sections...the gaslighting from doctors...it is tough being a woman..who can you trust?
@@cynthiamacias2611 well one of my grandmothers lost 3 out of her 4 home birthed babies ( my mother was the only one who survived) my other grandmother lost 2 of her home birthed babies ( that was how it was done back then) there is a reason women started having babies in a hospital, I worked as a nurse for 43 years, my 93 year old mother was a labor and delivery nurse for decades she and I both agreed we have never seen a c-section that wasn’t needed, most people who say they do too many c-sections don’t actually know how it is first hand, just what they read somewhere online…. And this lady OBVIOUSLY needed one, she and her baby died, It would have been better for her to have had one even if she thought it might not have been necessary than for her and her baby to both die, leaving her husband a widower and her other 2 children without a mother…
@@cynthiamacias2611you can almost definitely trust a uterine rupture during a VBAC especially at home 🤦🏾♀️
I had an unnecessary c section at the hospital. And then did extensive research/prep and had 2 successful Vbacs in the hospital. There are risks with both options. But having 2 c-sections is a definite reason to be in the hospital for sure
@@julialee143 glad it worked out for you, I wasn’t willing to risk my child or my life
I’m sorry everyone involved is responsible for this tragedy. The woman was a nurse and knew better. The dad needs to take some accountability here and not only blame the midwife.
Both parties knew the risks and moved forward. No ones fault.
I had 6, 1 cesarean and 5 VBACs. However, this was all at a hospital. Always do your research don't go in blindly if you're choosing that route.
Victim’s choice for both an incompetent midwife and her own high risk pregnancies. NO HIGH RISK PATIENT CAN DELIVER AT HOME PERIOD!
Sounds like a psych issue of DENIAL coupled with a bad midwife in a worst case scenario!
Condolences to victims.
I agree, I delivered my son in 2018 in a birth center (similar to home) they say from beginning, if you are high risk you cannot deliver here.
That's what I'm thinking. In Canada, once you're high risk, you have to give birth at the hospital.
Yer I think both parents where psychologically compromised. Maybe ptsd from their passed high risk pregnancy. All the trauma and suffering in the hospital birth probably influenced their decided to do this as an alternative. The mom/nurse might have had a bit of an ego and thought she and the midwife had enough medival knowledge and experience to handle any complications. Even when things took a turn south they waited to long to call for the ambulance the mom didnt want to "give up" and go to the hospital.
I hope the dad makes it through this and be there for rhe child/kids he still has. If he talked about accoubtability but eventually he has to accept that heand his wife were responsible for thier decisions just like the midwife.
I have had two home births. But I was with NO complications. The midwives will NOT do home births if you have any high risk complications!!!
@@truthnotliesI wish this was true. There are so many stories like this.
The mother chose this, sadly. She's accountable.
@@ElleBrOw Her body, her choice, her decisions. No man has any power whatsoever in birthing choices (or lots of other choices). You can't have it both ways ... want all your own choices ... but tye ability to blame the man if the outcome of your choice goes wrong.
@@ElleBrOw 5th wave toxic feminism.
Exactly
@@susansmith493 learn to read!! No one mentioned the husband!!! 🙄
@@susansmith493
No man is being blamed here...lol!
They literally said the woman made a choice and it was fatal.
No! These parents hold a large % of the responsibility. No brainer
those words “call them” gave me chills. I can imagine what she was feeling when she said that because that’s exactly what I said to my husband when I had Covid. I really truly thought I was going to die when I said those words to him. Let’s keep this father in prayers
The husband should have called an ambulance. And didn't they check out the midwife?
My guess is, they chose this midwife after a number of other midwives told them "No, I won't do that." This one told the Mama everything she wanted to hear.
@@nancymcmonarch I bet you are right!!! Makes sense
The way he said she answered all my questions, it kinda sounded like he was the one who wanted a home birth
@@danielleburke87 I agree.
@@danielleburke87 Or his wife was all in and he was hesitant, but convinced after she answered a series of questions.
Committing to the aesthetic dream of a birth you had, is what killed your wife and son. Had you just wished for a healthy baby instead of a pool birth at home "under the stockings" maybe both of them would be here.
Right, sounds more like they wanted Instagram/Facebook pics
I agree. In situations like this, none of the parties don’t want to admit that “aesthetics” is the main influence behind their risky actions.
it has nothing to do with aesthetics and has everything to do with the health and wellbeing of both mother and child. Birth is physiological and home births especially in america treat it as such. C-section rates in america are high and the CDC just put out notice admitting that women are being neglected and abused. The survival of mother and child is the bare minimum. Obstetric violence and traumatic births never leave the mother and depending on what occurred can cause unnecessary complications for the baby.
Maybe they did it because healthcare costs in the US are exorbitant?
@@celestialmorphoagreed!
I don’t understand why a nurse would think this was a good idea. It just proves working in healthcare doesn’t mean you are knowledgeable or make good decisions. Scary!
A number of "failures" led to this tragic ending. Many red flags.
I fail to see the validity of a lawsuit here. They made the choice to move forward with this midwife, and anyone wanting to do a VBAC is very high risk and should not do a home birth. Sounds like a lack of research on the midwife (you can't just go off someone's answers). This could have been totally prevented. Home births should not be permitted for high risk women, for these exact reasons. A repeat C-section is a small price to pay for getting to stay alive and have a healthy, living baby.
This is crazy . On my second child my little girl turned sideways last minute at 9 months pregnant without my emergency c section , my child nor I would be alive
Both myself and daughter would not be here had I planned home birth and I was 27 and healthy.
The parents are to blame for ignoring the obvious risks, Mom was a nurse and knew better...
I'm so sorry for them, but they are partly to blame for sure.
So agree. I had one and thank God good. The second one again textbook pregnancy. Last 20 min of the delivery there was distress and nicu for 5 days . Thank God. Had to go from one hospital to another. 5 min away.
I hate to victim blame but come on. The husband was to protect her and she knew better too. Its crazy. I just cant see how anyone living in the best country would want to live like a cave person.
Makes me think of the big bang theory "is she having a home birth?"
" My Sister wants to live in the stone age but the cave wasnt available".
Jokes aside women used to die a lot 100 years ago, along with the babies. Its no time to mess around
My easy birth turned into a nightmare on the table. If I had not been in the hospital no one would have made it. Hospitals are where you should be because it's not all a romantic event under a tree.
Mine baby flipped also and once they got in there by emergency c section she was not moving and had the umbilical cord tightly around her neck. It was horrible when they took her out and no crying for what seemed like an eternity. I praise the one nurse who woke my limp baby up (my sister saw everything) and luckily baby was fine, we survived because we were in the hospital...no complications. She's now a 31 yr old beauty!!❤
Giving birth is not a fairytale under a x-mas tree, it's a dangerous thing for both the mother and the baby and should allways happen in a hospital with all the equipments that might be needed in case something or everything goes wrong.
Yep. This is why 10 year olds should never have a baby like the repubs want to control us women. Stay away from our uteruses !
The parents chose to have a home birth. THEY ALONE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS TRAGEDY. This is why we have hospitals!
All parties involved were extremely irresponsible. Someone who has had a C-section in the past should not be having a home birth. You needed a C-section for a reason.
Exactly. They're gonna have a harder time proving the midwife's negligence caused the deaths, rather than creating an incredibly risky situation themselves.
Just wow! An ER nurse and you didn’t do your research on this? Its sad but as an ER nurse she absolutely should have known better.
I mean, didn't we see hundreds of nurses quit during Covid because they were either anti-mask or anti-vax? Nothing surprises me anymore.
I want a home birth. I want a hospital birth without drugs. She already had 2 children. Some women have a birth plan and they want to stick to it no matter what.
@dimples2000 yeah... I had that plan. Was sure it would be great. But I had to be informed that my full hip dysplasia would make that very dangerous. On top of that, I had complications during my pregnancy. "Stick to the birth plan no matter what" is just stupid. Anything can happen during a pregnancy and it's rare that pregnancy and child birth ever "go as planned". That's fairy tale stuff. And as an ER nurse, this woman would've known that.
I’m 20 weeks and planning a water birth at home. I’m not high risk and I have a midwife, doula, and medical assistants who will be at my birth. It’s possible to have a home birth after c section births.
She needed to research and find a better midwife. I do have to say I most likely would have been better if she was in a hospital and had a midwife there. Midwife’s also debate on taking you on if you’re high risk.
Plans or not I know that if something goes wrong the people around me will pull the plug and take me and my child to a hospital.
@@dimples2000 this is true but common sense and her medical training should have trumped her wants. She put herself over her child. SMH
Yes, there needs to be accountability on both sides. The wife was a risk factor in this tragic situation. Sometimes, we want something so bad that we ignore the obvious, and that was she should've been in the hospital from the beginning. I am so sorry for him and the children , there are no winners in this situation.
Do your due diligence before trusting anyone. This is tragic. She should not have been allowed to keep practicing.
ER nurse still ignored the consequences.. should have known better
She probably DID know better, but hoped she'd be one of the lucky ones. As she wanted to become a midwife herself, she likely didn't want to tell clients, "I had all three of my kids in the hospital."
she won’t tell them anything now
She should have known better, but why would the midwife not just say no way can this decision be good, and not take her on as a patient. Unbelievable
Oh ffs she was a RN she knew what the risks were and that no physician would ever advise a VBAC except under extreme monitoring and caution. I always wanted a homebirth until I did my L&D rotation in nursing school and saw two births that did not go well. Everything ended up ok because they were in the hospital and had access to quick interventions by competent nurses and physicians. You guys decided to roll the dice and lost big time.
As the Mama wanted to become a midwife herself, she likely wanted to assure her potential clients that she, herself had given birth successfully at home. Sometimes our passions really do cause us to look past reality and risk.
@nancymcmonarch I am guessing she also did it for social media clout. When the husband said "we had this vision of the birthing pool in the middle of the living room with the Christmas tree and stockings in the background" I already knew she did it for the cute social media post, but I think your comment is also part of it. She didn't want to tell others how to do something she herself had never done
@@trunkb73625 Sadly, you may be right. I've never watched the "mommy influencers," but when they wind up on the news for all the wrong reasons, it's pretty obvious that there are people out there getting entirely too wrapped up in their social media "careers," sometimes to their children's detriment.
Yea I really hate to victim blame, but she had the education to know what an extreme risk she was taking. The midwife should also be held accountable for taking on a homebirth client with her history. In all honesty the only party without blame here IMO is the father- he may not have known the true risk his wife was undertaking if he has no medical background. Although I don’t agree with it, most husbands/ non-birthing partners only learn about birth from what their partners tell them. If his wife or the midwife did not emphasize the risk of having a TOLAC homebirth, then he may not have known, and for that my heart breaks.
Seeing two complicated births doesn't represent all homebirths. I have had four uncomplicated vaginal births. Some so quick that not even an ambulance made it. Homebirths works for plenty but not all. This is where common sense and wisdom come in.
My sister-in-law lost a baby because she insisted on a home birth, & refused to go into hospital via emergency ambulance, despite being in labour for over 72 hours. Baby was eventually born but had been in severe distress and inhaled meconium. She died at 10 hours old 😥
😢😢
Ànd that's why your supposed to go to the hospital when you give birth
As someone who had midwives for her births, this story is disturbing. And not because I don't think home births are dangerous, but this woman did not do her job.
The things my midwives did, this woman did not do. No vitals??? At the FIRST sign of a problem, she should have called for help. The VERY first.
Thank you! I'm thinking, if your wife is turning colors and the midwife isn't taking vitals, it's time to step in and get her to the hospital not wait and see. He's right for going after the midwife, unfortunately it's after losing the mother of his children.
All he had to do was a background check on the midwife before they hired her.
He was probably respecting his wife's decision, and given that she was an ER nurse, and it was her body, that's not entirely unreasonable.
@nancymcmonarch
No, it absolutely was unreasonable. It doesn't matter your credentials, you have to verify the credentials and good standing of the professional you're hiring. SMH.
Pretty sure she hid them…that was the issue. You don’t typically look up businesses with tons of great ratings…
but i agree, that IS smart though hindsight is 20/20…I have never heard of anyone investigating their midwife tho? And even many OBs have shady history of negligence. All I’m saying is, if you want something covered up, you can…
@@nancymcmonarchHe took a backseat to his child’s wellbeing for whatever reason. Im not a weak woman, so i was fine having c sections knowing they were crucial for my child’s survival, but if i hadn’t, my husband would’ve been adamant about me making a rational decision. This husband encouraged her nonsense wishes of a home birth VBAC as a high risk pregnancy, and it cost him.
Why would the couple put themselves in this situation!? The husband should also take accountability for putting his wife in this situation after having previous complications.
My mother’s been a midwife for 37 years. This midwife took way too long to call ambulance. My mother’s birth center is 4 blocks from hospital in case complications happen but usually there are none.
I have heard of this happening multiple times with death to the mother, child, or both. I have had all of my children in a hospital. My first birth was "normal." My second birth, however, was very traumatic and happened in a matter of seconds. I will always be grateful that i was surrounded by hospital personnel and all equipment, surgical needs, etc.
I experienced a uterine rupture 1 day before my scheduled c-section. I had one contraction that triggered the rupture. My daughter and I definitely almost died. The pain was like being tortured alive and I could t even lift my voice to speak, only whispering. This happened because I was bleeding eternally lost so much blood and on the brink of death.. I, too, wanted a VBAC but no doctor would entertain it with 2 previous c-sections. I was mad about that, but I’m grateful for ambulance folks who rushed me to the hospital. All I can say is God Almighty had pity on me, underserving and unmerited. May they rest in peace and husband and kids be blessed
Shouldn't she be held accountable for putting herself in this situation to begin with?? 🤔🤨
I mean whatever happened to just keeping your legs closed? (IF "he's" even the one who got her🤰🏻)🤔🤨
These fake midwives need to be stopped man they don't know anything about being a midwife. This is very triggering for me
Anything can happen at any moment, birth in a hospital is so much safer. It's just not worth the risk of life
She was a nurse, had 2 previous Csections… found a midwife via Facebook AND didn’t check reviews, history, pending investigations, BBB, health department etc????? They just went by her words checking all the boxes???
Omgoshhhh tragic but people who aren’t nurses do a better investigation on Facebook dog dealers!! This is horrible and yes the midwife needs to lose her license etc.. BUT as a nurse and she being a nurse herself this was an absolute failure on her knowledge in health care. 💔
She was also preparing to start her own business as a midwife and lactation consultant.
This mother was a nurse. She knew better. She put her own perception of a positive birth experience above everything, above her unborn baby’s life, above her own life, and above the value of her living children having a mother. Was it worth it? She could be alive and holding a healthy baby right now, but she chose to make a reckless and selfish choice. My only sympathy is for her poor motherless children who need to live with the knowledge that their mother chose her own wants and desires for a special experience above everything else, even then.
Respectfully, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The details are so infuriating. There was zero common sense involved. Condolences to the family.
He must look in the mirror for accountability 😮
As for the wife, where ever she is, she must just accept she made a terrible mistake that cost her to lose her own life and the life of her child.😢
And now their kids don’t have a mother, forever.
I knew a expectant mother that wanted vbac - I told her husband and dad to call 911 if they were concerned about anything - the mother was taken to hospital and at that point begged for epidural but it was almost time for baby to be born . It all worked out - they were fine . But what a day ! She was always a little disturbed that her husband and dad called 911 but also said how grateful she was . She didn’t have the c section as baby was born quickly once she got to hospital but so risky ! Another relative had her baby in hospital and started hemorrhaging on the delivery table after her baby was delivered and the docs saved her of course . I don’t know the details - but wow - this case sounds so risky - midwife living so far and the couple just remained at the house and didn’t call the ambulance?
@@sunnyday7843, I hemorrhaged too. Being in a Hospital saved my life.
@@tub1960 these people lack all wisdom it seems :((
I'm a retired RN and women used to never be able to have a vaginal birth after a C-section! They started doing it years later but I would never risk a home birth after a C-section with complications and not in the hospital but I have knowledge and experience now that I didn't when I was young nurse. So sad! God bless her husband and children! 🙏
I fed for him. My sister finally had a successful pregnancy after numerous miscarriages. She went into labor and during the delivery of my niece, my sister had a heart attack due to a pregnancy condition that went undiagnosed. They did not have a defibrillator near and I lost my big sister and niece that day in the hospital. Even after her death, the hospital (southern regional in Atlanta) couldn’t get anything right. They didn’t release her body for weeks before finally my mom got ahold of someone high enough up that apologized and released her and my niece. Then, after the funeral home picked her up they realized that my niece wasn’t with her and had to go back to get Augustina. We wanted them buried together but because of the delay of releasing her and her baby they had to be cremated. The whole ordeal was traumatic.
Nothing here was illegal. They should have been in the hospital when she went in to labor. He is responsible for their decision.
This is why I just went to the hospital with trusted medical professionals.
Depeche mode, hell yeah!
“Trusted” 🤣
I heard of Hosipital Staff abusing patients but okay. (Not that all of them are bad, but still) There is not a 100 percent chance that you will be safe just because you are at a hospital.
Trusted... 😂😂😂 We do trust them but that doesn't mean they deserve the trust. This lady was an ER NURSE... Yet didn't have the sense to do what's best for the birth of her child. I think she's a PERFECT example of why we shouldn't trust these professionals so easily... JS 🤷♀️
I have 4 kids and I would never have a home birth! Only because I’m so scared that something would happen and time is wasted having to wait on and ambulance to be taken to the hospital!
The Hospital is the only place to give birth, for many reasons, but mostly because they have all the knowledge and equipment available if something goes wrong.
It’s all about safety for Mama and Baby.
I was an Anaesthetic Nurse for some years and saw it all.
@babayaga489 the hospital isn't the only place to give birth. Women should have the choice.
Yep I have 3 kids all my babies are born in hospital . I am no way choosing home birth .
@@babayaga489Hospital is for emergencies or is the place low risk people go with interventions that cause complications as well as trauma.
@@princessgumbo yeah and look what happens when you have your choice she died but at least she had her choice
Can you imagine the pain, the shock and loss, of going from the highest height of joy, expecting to welcome your beautiful new baby, to losing them both? I feel so deeply for this father and widower, it's absolutely devastating.
Everyone involved is WRONG. He had to know his wife was high risk yet moved forward with a home birth anyway. So much irresponsibility.
While SHE is still accountable for her actions and ultimately CAUSING THEIR DEATH, it *also* sounds like the couple didn't do their actual research. Dont mistaken me, she's still wrong, but stuff like her previous (and several) investigations and FIVE civil fines and other things attached to her licensing are public so had they done their due diligence and thoroughly searched, it wouild've added an extra layer of safety/prevention. When he stated "she gave me all the right answers," sounds like they googled someone, asked a few basic questions, she probably had a reasonably low price, told them whatever sounded good and they just said okay. Hate this happened.
Maybe this was the only midwife who was willing to take her on as a patient seeing the risk involved with a previous C-section.
@steelwing154 exactly what I was thinking.. no one wanted that liability.
Sometimes people only hear what they want to hear.
Exactly!
Jordan was preparing to start her own business as a midwife and lactation consultant. Mom and midwife both knew the the risks of this birth.
There should be a bit of personal accountability here. They knew there was a chance of rupture of the uterus during contractions and birth due to scar tissue, besides previous birth complications. common sense should have told them it was too risky to try at home, it's even very risky in hospital. But she was more concerned with the experience she wanted than worried about risks.
I asked my high risk dr if I could try for a VBAC. He got about 2 inches from my face and said, "Do you want to die?" He went on to say he was there so women in my condition don't have to take unnecessary risks. At the time I thought it was a little extreme, and the birth was awful (different delivery doctor) but I'm here to write this and so is my child. It's so important to speak with doctors. Midwives are important to many in the birthing community but not more so than experienced doctors. So sorry for this tragic loss, but the midwife may not have seen this coming. A doctor more likely would have looked harder at all the risks involved.
No home births for us. The safety of the mother and child is paramount.
Newborn babies deserves the best medical care they can get and that is in a hospital. Home birth has unneeded risks.
Some of us have experienced this not to be true....... There is Definetly a time and place for hospitals but after multiple horrible experience s I get why some try to get away from them.
At one time there were no options. Elders gave birth at home because professional services were unavailable and infant mortality was higher. Always trying to improve.
Mind your business. I had my youngest at home competely medically unassisted. She's 17 now.
Exactly
@@mktay2067 it does depend on the hospital and the people working there that day, but generally speaking, the data shows hospital births are much safer than at home births especially for those who are high-risk
VBACs should only be delivered in the hospital. I can't believe the nurse wasn't aware of this. Some hospitals won't even deliver VBACs.
No! My first birth in the hospital they almost k*lled me and my baby! They t*rtured us for more than 20 hours! Oxytocin stimulations caused emergency c section. They all blamed me. 2 other births i gave birth with a midwife naturally. Hospitals dont know how to help you give birth. They only pump you with meds n then cut you open. Botched! Traumatised. Assaulted mothers!
Most people don’t even know that the hospitals decide whether or not a VBAC can even happen, not the doctors. A home birth is WILD for a VBAC!
I'm so done with the medical incompetence in Arizona...I have lived here for over 10 years and the stories I have heard.....pathetic...is there some kind of medical school for dummies that these people all go to....or maybe it's a situation where the doctors who graduate bottom of their class flock here for some reason...we need to raise our standards...the fact that this woman didn't have her license revoked sooner and even now it's being debated?...utterly ridiculous...she should be on trial for reckless homicide...medical incompetence does NOT get a free pass...
I'm from California and many of the people I knew growing up did flock to Arizona. One entire family aunts uncles and all moved there. They weren't the smartest of people... and I do feel for the locals of whatever community they moved into.
Every women know's and if she does not 'Once a cesarean section has been done every birth moving forward will be cesarean for the Majority of pregnancies'. This women definitely needs to be held accountable for these DEATHS.
Notice of Intent to revoke? Revoke yesterday is already too late, the lady should not be a midwife any longer after such an enormous tragedy.
I really wanted a v-bac, but was denied by my doctor and couldn't find a different one because of my insurance. I would've done it in the hospital, but he absolutely refused. I ended up going into labor early, before my scheduled date, so I was in labor for about 8 hours before I went to the hospital. (Dumb I know, but I was really in denial about being in real labor, was sure it was Braxton-Hicks because my water didn't break immediately like the first time) Thank God he denied it, because during the second c-section, right as they got to my uterus, it completely ripped open before the scalpel ever touched it and I needed wayyy more blood than normal. We live about 25 minutes from the hospital we needed to be at, or any hospital for that matter. I'm sorry, but a healthy mom and baby is more important than any other desire. A home v-bac SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL IN US.
This happened to a friend of mine, attempt VBAC, in a hospital setting, just feet from an operating room. Hers was the only life that could be saved after the rupture. 😞
Wow I'm so glad you're ok and got to the hospital. 🙏
@@woodfairy7051 I'm so sorry for you and your friend, that's awful that even in the hospital that was the outcome 😢
Wow that's so scary
@@angelbrown5895 completely ended my desire to have more kids. Well not the desire, I really want one more child, but I don't want to risk it 😕
This dad is so strong! I can’t imagine what the children, father, and the rest of their family is feeling. So so sad.
How terribly terribly sad. That poor man is so stoic. I hope he succeeds and gets the recompense he rightly deserves.
I have had 3 c sections. I was told after 19 years and 2 c sections they allowed a "natural" birth when I got pregnant with my 3rd daughter. It was not something that was allowed back when I had my second daughter I was told I had to do a c section the risk were too high. So when I was told I could try for a natural birth, I opted out. I knew it was dangerous and being 8 years sober, I knew I would go through with another c section with no pain medication because it was safer for me and my baby. I don't get these home births. Please stop ladies. Its too dangerous and having a doctor and staff knowing you and your past health concerns even if none, a hospital is the safest way to go. Stop playing with you and your babies lives. It is not worth the risk.
I lost my mom when I was 10. You’re so spot on :(
Totally agree!
A friend of mine had a home birth and nearly lost her life. They rushed her to the ER for an emergency c section.
Stop having babies outside of a medical facility. If there are complications, time is critical to get help
If I were the husband I would have been ashamed to even gave the interview for the news I would have been embarrassed af.. lack of common sense caused 2 lives lost..sad but true