5 Players that Played against or with Jordan or Lebron Weigh in on the GOAT
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5 Ex NBA players that have played with or against Lebron or Michael Jordan share their opinions on who is the better basketball player.
We have Dwayne Wade, Jason Kidd, Reggie Miller, Ron Artest and Ray Allen talk about their experiences playing against these players or with them. They share their personal stories and insights on what made them have the opinion that they do. - Sport
The fact that Ray Allen, a guy who won championships with Lebron, says "MJ all day long," is all you ever need to know.
He also got straight shitted on by lebron as well!
He’ll come around just like kg and pierce
The fact that Scottie Pipen who won all the 6 titles for Jordan says Lebron is the goat is all we need to know
@@jamesmuhoozi5812 The fact that Jason Terry and JJ Barea made Lebron looked like a bum* is all we need to know.
Same thing Isaiah Thomas and the pistons did to Jordan.
Jordan is the goat and It's not even close. This whole ridiculous debate is just a construct of the league and media for clicks and engagement, propping LeBron up to try to fill the void of Jordan's retirement
I don’t even think it’s a debate it’s just a discussion. And now the discussion is getting better because people are asking about other players that should enter in the equation? If you can compare LeBron, then you can compare Tim Duncan or Kobe or Larry, or magic or any other players I’m leaving out.
Yes ! That's what this new generation doesn't understand. The NBA is a business. They can't have the Goat retire they must keep the Goat narrative in the league.
Let's not kid ourselves. If LeBron and Jordan were on the same era, Bron would tremble at the sight of MJ.
If MJ was in the current era he'd be Demar Derozen.
@@howsittastesIF LeCHOKE PLAYED IN THE 90'S HE WOULD BE ZACH LEVINE... TRASH...
@@howsittastesyou must be in your 20s
@@howsittastes Did you listen to MJ's competition in the video?
@@howsittastesdemar just a good midrange shooter other than that nothing in common. Mj got more control of the ball more athleticism as was Breyer at the midrange and could hit shot demar could never. Not even kawhi is like mj. Mj way faster than both of them. And Kawhi only got 32 inch vertical. And despite being taller and longer still has slightly smaller hands. Mj was 6’4.88 without shoes and was 6’6 in shoes. He was officially measured in the 1992 Olympics. It all documented.
2 of these guys won rings with LeBron too, yet they'd take Jordan over LeBron all-time.
What's funny to me is that Wade was the best SG in the East and lebron teamed with him.... and then Bosh was probably up there for PFs... MJ had Pippen and then straight role players. MJ is on another level
Jordan's was being called the goat by his peers and competition before he won his first 3 championships.. There wasnt debated and nobody even questioned it. It was just accepted. Kareem having the scoring record didn't matter in the discussion then and Lebron having it doesn't matter now
Everyone understood Nike, the league and media groomed Jordan as soon as those shoe sales hit. Most people now weren't alive to see any previous greats. Those that were say Jordan to be PC but all have other players like Kareem, Dr J, Bird, Magic, Russell, Wilt as their personal goats.
Mike robbed Olajuwon of a dpoty, won mvps on teams that weren't even top 8 overall in the league and was the first or only player to do this and that because before 1983 there wasn't a dpoty to win, before 1979 no 3pt shot, before 1968 no def teams, before 1970 no finalsmvp, before 1973 no blks or stls to record, before 1980s most games werent even recorded, and there was certainly no major advertising for Kareem because he was a Muslim or Russell because he played during Jim Crow.
Edit: Its the undisputed part in the goat title that honestly pisses me off. I mean here we are watching the 20th daily video about the subject yet MJ fans swear theres no debate. Imagine crowning a dude 2 chips in over Russell, Wilt, Kareem and Mikan. Hilarious to say the least. Fast forward some 20 years, Bron goes back to back and the discussion heats up, and MJ fans all of a sudden bring up rings.
EXACTLY !! Most people labeled Jordan the GOAT before he won his first 3 rings, everything after was just icing on the cake. MJ is the GOAT and it's not even f*cking close.
@@andrewcook1246 MJ is the GOAT and it's not even close. Stay mad, nobody gives a sh*t...
he was also called selfish and the said he had to LEARN to win. but he did eventually. yea im no jordan fan (starks, mason and oak are my favorite, i dont care for superstars im no sheep) and I hate jordan fans but he is the GOAT.. Tho I got Larry f'n Bird RIGHT THERE WITH HIM. Lebum is like number 5 for me.
Funny how every Jordan fan doesn’t want to use numbers or career accomplishments in the goat debate because if you actually look at them. I mean it’s not really close. Jordan might have been the best season to season player. But the stats don’t lie. Better all around shooter. Better passer better. All around playmaker and a more versatile player. Better team player. Better leader. They say LeBron had to learn to win but what they say about Jordan is worse. Doc rivers and others have said Jordan would stuff his own stat sheets in his first 6 years and it took Phil (head coach) to tell him to get his teammates involved. Then he started winning. LeBron already did that and by year 5 was in the nba finals. Took Jordan 7 years. So if you wanna say Jordan’s the goat than fine. But lebron is right there and there’s no disputing that fact.
MJ gave us more in 13 years with the Bulls than any current player who's on year 20+.
2 of those seasons he barely played, so really it's 11 full seasons as a Bull. He amassed 68 official NBA accolades in those 11 seasons. LeBron is in his 21st and has 63.
People talk about Djokovic in tennis, all the titles he's won, more of the big titles than anybody else, that's his case for the GOAT. He won more than anyone else.
People talk about Messi, more big awards than anyone else, so many league titles and now a World Cup. He's the GOAT because he won more than anyone esle.
Of course these guys are also amazing statistically, so they have both the stats and resume.
Jordan has both better stats and a better resume than Lebron....it shouldn't really be a discussion...unfortunately there are a lot of fools in this world who are easily influenced by Klutch Sports Media 😂
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I stopped watching basketball after he retired definitely from the Bulls. Basketball became dull to me. People that haven’t watched a full postseason of the Bulls won’t get it. No disrespect to those great teams that couldn’t win against those bulls, but I couldn’t get that excitement factor anymore
A similar thing happened to me when Tyson retired with boxing, at least as far as getting into the HW division. It's like everyone moved in slow motion in comparison to his prime in the 80's. The 90's was still really interesting. It didn't help the main attraction post 2000 were big men hiding behind the jab.
MJ played as a point guard for a brief stint and had incredible assist numbers, passing ability, and playmaking ability.
Yep, they were better than Lebrons numbers and that was in a way harder league.
Yeah he had 7 triple double games in a row and had 10-11 games with a triple double at one point.. that was the record for most triple double games in a row until Russ.. MJ could do anything and I'll say I think MJ was a better rebounder than lebron.. MJ averaged more offensive boards than lebron.. rebounds are insanely inflated now
@@StrictlyStrange67stupid bronsexuals would disagree because LeBron has more rebounds lol. They only read box scores and don't understand context.
Yep. Some people always say 'MJ could only score'. Wrong. He could do all of those other things and do them crazy well, but he knew at the end of the day what truly determined whether they were going to win was his ability to put more points on the board than his opponent. So he honed in on being an unstoppable scorer and excellent defender.
@@StrictlyStrange67 truth. Case in point about the offensive rebounding, which are more impactful than defensive rebounding. As of LePeds first few games of his 21st season, he still hasn’t past MJ’s total offensive rebound total😂😂😂. 6’9” vs 6’6” and 25lbs heavier and LeQuit hasn’t pass a “guards” total offensive rebound numbers. He has played 6 more years then the goat, who is smaller. He cannot touch MJ on offense or defense. How is he even past the legitimate top 10 all time greats, much less past Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe etc. Forget MJ.
Stats alone don’t make you goat, especially when most of your stats ain’t legit with this corrupt league giving him rebound credit after another player tips the ball to him, giving him cheesy assist totals by changing the assist accrual rules, allowing him to flop to pile up fee throws which he bricks 60% of the time etc.
Ridiculous to have him in the top ten much less ahead of the legit goat candidates.
Bron best accolade is longevity. Thats why he is #1 in total scoring. But he is also #1 in total turnovers, and soon will be #1 in missed shots. Goat would never choke, especially in the grandest stage
Your GOAT had no competition you see when real guards came to the league Mj was getting cooked soyou think MJ d up KD Giannis Steph Dame no he gonna get his numbers but his defense would be nothing to much talent MJ would face guys bigger faster stronger with a bag
your goat would never leave the game you love for whatever reason
@@Qweston1978 LeBron struggled against Jason Terry and JJ Barea.
@questonferguson1625 I've hooped with 90s players and this generation. I was in a conversation with 3 CURRENT NBA players I will not name...one of em said "this is the laziest defensive era since the 50's"...FACTS! And the only thing better about this era is 3 point shooting. Stop being impressed by swag...players aren't fundamentally better today than the 80s and 90s. So Jordan DID face as good or better guards. You're impressed by guards who don't have to face a guy like Alvin Robertson (league wide considered arguably the greatest one on one defender ever). Lazy defense...and triple screens. It's not the same.
@jokerwild4690 mj was ref different he could be physical but no one could be physical with him the league changed for him look playing football on the basketball court doesn't mean you had a bunch of guys locking down on D within the actual rules just going upside a muthafucka head to make them scared to come in the lane + guards back then passed they didn't score
LeChoke was afraid of Kobe - you don’t think he would have been afraid of MJ?
Lebron was scared already at prime kawhi.. 😂
LeBron wasn't scared of either, wtf you talking about? I swear you jordan meat riders are ridiculous
How? He was 16-6 against Kobe 🤡
@@bledzone231he hit clutch shots over him multiple times
aka LEFLOP greatest flopper in the history of the game.
Wade straight up disrespected Kobe and his dominance, by skipping his generation. And some of these ex players on these debates,
also forget to mention their defense. Remember MJ had 9 1st all defensive teams. Kobe had 9 1st all defensive teams,
and 3 2nd all defensive teams. MJ and Kobe also had that unmatched killer instinct. Bron's was part time.
100%.. MJ averaged 30 a game and was the best SG defender in the league.. people don't understand how much effort that takes.. and Kobe was right there also.. MJ #1 and then Kobe #2 IMO.. man I miss Kobe
To be fair, you're speaking from a fans perspective, which is not the only one that needs to be taken into consideration. R.Allen was speaking as a player/competitor; and it's probably hard to put Kobe in the convo because Kobe copied EVERYTHING MJ did. Which is why MJ said the only person that could probably beat him 1 on 1 is Kobe ... because... "He steals all my moves."
In Bron is not Better then Kobe....
People only comparing the play of a scoring guard vs a power forward. A facilitating pf who can pass and score can do more with 4 guys than a scoring guard
I'm sorry, Jordan couldn't beat Bird, not even in the 90's. Look it up. He's the greatest sg, but he could not win without a dominant forward (Scottie).
LeBronze wears 23, does the powder toss, and did a Space Jam sequel because he wanna be like Mike.
Jordan would smoke LeBron's lazy no defense playing self
If lebron and MJ were in the same era, nobody would know or notice lebron.
Ray Allen is an F'ing gem! Nuanced. Thoughtful. Respectful. Analytical. Dude should probably run a team. 🙌🏻
Can lebron do anything to surpass Michael Jordan? Umm no hahaha
MJ is the greatest and he has no real blemishes on his career.. when it really mattered, HE WON ALL 6 TIMES.. BY 2 3PEATS!! People downplay that in itself.. he never had a BAD finals.. 27-6-6 was his worst finals series in 96.. we all know what happened in 2011, 18 PPG.... The GOAT cant have that on his resume'
Not even 18ppg lmao, I'm not giving him the 0.2. It was 17.8ppg and he scored a laughable 18 points TOTAL in all the 4th quarters of that series. And that was just after betraying his hometown because he felt that a 66-win team wasn't enough for him to succeed in Cleveland LMAO. Lebron is not even close to being the GOAT.
@@DesroQc no joke!
The blemishes I would say with MJ career would be the pistons roadblock but he still dominated during those losses. And the way he bounced back and dominated shows why he’s the goat.
@OlympicSeason I wouldn't consider those blemishes for him tho since he never played BAD.. his team just wasn't ready yet and the pistons were ready at the time.. and I was mainly talking about the finals. Once MJ got there, he led his team all 6 times and won within 6 games or less and was the best player all 6 times. What he did shouldn't have been possible, but he did it
@Apocalypse2031 completely agree man.. MJ is on another level. I think people can't comprehend what he accomplished. Imma Lakers fan so I watch every game, so I gotta watch him and it's rough. I have to mute a lot of the games cuz the commentators just talk about how great they think he is and it's not about the Lakers. And then he just stands around if he doesn't have the ball, and then stands on the off block on defense which is how he gets 99% of his 5-8 boards
Michael Jordan had more career 40-point games then he had games scoring less than 15pts 🤯
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This is not even close. We know repeat is difficult, and yet Jordan had 2 3-peats. Where's Lebron's 3-peat? He couldn't do it despite having that loaded Miami Heats team b/c he ain't good nuf. If you replace Lebron with Jordan, Heats woulda 4-peated during those 4 years.
still waiting on that 8 LeBron
Still keeping that same narrative energy 🤷🏻
yes and no, no doubt Jordan all day, but then your 2 most talented players are both SG...
but we seen what happened when MJ was in PG position, so we know he could have changed positions to play with Wade, Wade also prooved he can play off the ball (By studying MJ) when ball dominant Bron joined the team.
Yes, give MJ a loaded team and its almost not fair.
What the greatest had (have) is killer instinct - they kill every time all the time. They are not concerned with any off court narrative - they Will themselves and everyone around them to WIN. LeBron is extraordinary athlete and massive physical specimen of a being. He is NOT a killer.
MJ can’t beat Lebron swept 🧹 😂😂
If u really break down the small nuances movements, the positioning, the counters and watch how Jordan really has these guys on a string it’s kinda crazy. The way he moves without the ball, how he got to his spots was sometimes even crazier u wouldn’t even notice how he planned to get to it either.
MJ was an amazing passer. 88-89 he averaged 32 ppg, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, and 2.9 steals per game. They were beating him up nightly. Bron couldnt touch those numbers then.
05 LeBron and 2012 Lebron was similar. But MJ is still GOAT 🐐
What do you mean? In 88-89 the pace was faster. Per 100 possessions, MJ averaged 40/10/10 that year. LeBron has had at least that multiple times and very close many other times.
@@michaelkoska4084It is not aboit numbers, it is about moments, MJ was a finisher he won the games in the end, of course he had a great team, so Lebron, but Lbron makes more turnovers than anybother player, that is a fact.
@@alx767 Sure and everyone can remember their MJ moments and be nostalgic, but the reality is Lebron has better clutch stats in the last 2 minutes and 4 minutes of close games. More clutch shots than MJ, and a higher percentage of clutch shots. Also, in closeout games MJs numbers do not elevate near as much as LeBron's do. Using anecdotal evidence of "moments" is cliche and fits the narrative, but the truth is out there.
Jordan had teams trying to put him in the hospital they had The Jordan Rules. And they was able to do hand checks
The thing that sets MJ apart wasn't just his unbelievable skillset, but that he could put it all together in a way that almost assured he was going to win. LeBron is unreal, but for all his talent he has lost 6 times when it counted the most. Once he got his first ring, MJ wasn't just amassing great stats, he was getting them in a way that became almost unbeatable.
Great point
Alot of guys even today can fill up a stat sheet on losing teams
But he didnt just fill up a stat sheet for contract negotiations
He filled up the stat sheet because thats what they needed that given night to win
He was focused on the big pic rings
So if they were up big going into the 4th he was resting
Was trying to score more etc and risk getting hurt
@@ronnies5900 I think that's why opponents feared him. Guys like LBJ may go for 40, but there's a big chance they'll still lose. Imagine thinking 'MJ could go for 40 tonight in a way that crushes any chance of beating him'. MJ was final boss level of skill set to the hardest difficulty.
MJ is not the goat, LeBron is better. People dick ride MJ. Everyone talks about his 6 championships, but never talk about him not making the finals or losing in the 1st round many times.
Guaranteed if I could clone MJ, let's call him Jordan Michaels, and he started in 2023, had the exact same career, yall still would say MJ was the goat and JM was nowhere near as good. It's hero worship and it's ridiculous
@@Apocalypse2031 that's just dumb....you lose your ability to comment for 24hrs
one was unstoppable , the other not so much
Its funny to me how badly lebron wants this title as the greatest ever but can never achieve that in the eyes of people that watched them both and other greats play. Michael went to six finals and won six finals, he is by far the greatest ive ever seen play.
Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy, Wade saved Lebron's Legacy. They knew LEBRON is NOT THE GOAT. They had to carry him
wade was averaging 22 points when bron was there. ray allen averaged 10. how the fuck did they carry lebrons legacy? not to mention he won more rings after them lmaooo. use your brain
Do you keep thos same energy with Kobe? When he was actually saved by Horny and Fisher? And realistically, not like your wade ignorance.
@Apocalypse2031 no one is reading all that lil bro. bron better. cry about it. 30th best player today could cook anyone from that era
@@1EvilWiz1 Just because JJ Barea cooked LeBron in the NBA Finals doesn't mean he could cook the average player from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.
@@bainer3052 he really cooked bron averaging 8 points
What you really have to consider is this. He won all his championships with one (1) team……not running all over the NBA teams looking for help in order to win championships. That’s the way “all the great players” did……..
MJ is the Goat 🐐 no question about it! MJ basketball 🏀 career is all gold medals and championships. That is the story of MJ!
This is not meant to be disrespectful at all because I like LeBron and think he is a generational talent. Let me say this just as food for thought though. The longevity discussion for LeBron is both his greatest strength and his greatest criticism and here's why. If I play at any high level and have great players surrounding me and I do it for 20+ years then I should be expected I hold all the records. Simply speaking he has done less with more talented people around him, for a longer period of time. I mean we are closing in on him playing near double the amount of years Jordan did, with going from various super teams, load management, and in a less physical game. I'd hope he'd have about all the records with a 20+ year career considering all of that. Just sayin', and it is something nobody talks about. Jordan did more with less, and in less time. Take away his time with the Wizards, and he still did more with less time and with a less talented supporting cast and didn't jump from team to team or need a super team to do it.
WOW! great breakdown @Nimbus 1701
So explain why Kobe did not have all the records...or MJ...both had stacked teams...kobe played 20 years, MJ played 15...neither even sniffed the statistical achievements of LBJ...I get it watching those two was exciting with the shifty movement the explosive dunks, but kobe was not efficient shooting...he scored alot but it took a ton of shots to do it...MJ was nearly flawless talent wise but was not concerned with getting his teammates involved unless he needed a bail out bucket...kobe played with hall of famers and so did MJ...LBJ had no advantage that the others did not other than playing the game from a team aspect
Imagine having to guard somebody, knowing what they're gonna do, and can't do anything about it?! Let that sink in.
Dr. J made basketball a national phenomenon. Michael Jordan made basketball a global phenomenon. Period.
Mike inspired several kids all across the world to play basketball.
Lebron as well as Kobe, Melo, Magic, Bird, Dr J. and many other greats gained the attention for people to watch them play basketball.
Ray Allen made the best assessment! Today game is soft! And is strictly focused on offense! In Jordan era! It was brutal look at those bad boys pistons! And Jordan was unstoppable.
MJ was nothing in the 80s when the superstars were around. Stern cleared them out for him in the 90s.
@@RG-ct6qz How many all-stars did they have on their teams compared to Jordan? I guess your little brain forgot to mention that, fool.
Both his teammates say Jordan because they really know him and his mindset
Imagine Jordan in todays game w the new rules favoring scorers holy hell his numbers would be out of this world and no doubt he would have become one of the best 3pt shooters!
3 points shoots are not art, MJ was excellent by the way he face every one under the next. That's why AI become so famous as well. Like is Duran now
One thing I can say, Jordan and Kobe knew how to get to that freethrow line. In Jordan's 63 point playoff game he was 19-21 from the stripe. Kobe's 81 point game he was 18-20 from the stripe. They were masters at getting and 1's or causing you to foul them in the act of shooting because they both had finesse. I'll take finesse over power any day. Jordan and Kobe were both very strong as well, but they used that take contact and still make the shot.
It’s sad that the media pushes this narrative of bron being better than MJ! Even when you ask people about who THEY think is the goat, they don’t want to accept the answer and then in turn try to change their mind about it! How can a man be better than another if you have to push it on people to accept it!
If you gave a prime Jordan todays rules AND todays fitness science, he would be a literal super soldier on the court.
In his era it was MJ and everyone else. If he was around todau, it would be MJ and a supporting cast.
For your information MJ was a 10 season scoring leader, not even any players can able to do that.. Enough said. Goat 🐐 to me..
Jordan avg 30 without shooting threes. Now add 2 to 3 threes per game and maybe a few free throws. Thats already 40!
cause he noob cant shoot 3 points lol🤣 LBJ is the only GOAT👑
@@GGG--saying Jordan couldn't shoot threes is like saying Kobe was clutch.
@@GGG-- how can you be better than a player who won more than you did in half the time and who also has better stats? You have to be some kind of stupid to actually think LeBron is the GOAT given all the evidence against that notion...
GGG
We found the 12-year old.
@@GGG-- do you know what “the shrug” is?
MJ, TO MAKE A POINT (about how much better he was than Drexler) makes 6 three pointers in a Finals game. A guy whom, to this day, has the highest* ppg average from shooting mostly 2’s, hits 6/6 from 3 in one half just to make a point.
How fucking uneducated are you really. Rhetorical question by the way.
I've watched the NBA since the early 80s and I would say Lebron is the 3rd or 4th best player I've seen but he's behind Bird and of course Jordan who is the greatest. Bird was a more complete player offensively and a better closer and I say that because Lebron for his career is only shooting 37% outside of 3 feet and in the playoffs it goes down to 31%. This shows he has a weakness and Bird and Jordan had none. Lebron and Magic are interchangeable for me as the 3rd best player.
watchu mean? Magic owned Bird since college. Hence, Magic's better finals record.
@@Dapper_DeanMagic didn't own Bird😂, 3 consecutive MVPs, RoY over Magic. Bird was also considered by most everyone in the league as the best player on the planet till he injured himself. Michigan beat ISU, the Lakers and Celtics traded series, there was no ownage😂
@@Dapper_Dean IMO Bird was the better player..
Bird had a great cast, but come on mab, Magic walked onto team with Kareem.. and WORTHY seemes to keep being forgotten, that dude DOMINATED his last year of College.. BY FAR the best in college at the time..
Worthy was destroying Pippen in finals is the REAL reason they put Pip on Magic, before that Magic was completely neutered by MJ....not even trying to score or set people up.
Magic is one of the best, butas far as individual talent, it's def Bird for me.
And behind Kobe
So many of these conversations, but it is a good thing so new generations will know what was nba before and how was basketball was played and so many great players back then, that basketball became so popular because of these era’s
Why would you make background music so loud man, come on. I can barely hear Jason speak in the first segment. Background music is meant to be background.
Everybody talks about LeBron's 2011 Finals, but lets not forget his abysmal 2013 Championship where he turned the ball over inexplicably 2 times in the Final few minutes of Game 6 in Miami when the Championship was on the line. He was then bailed out by the great Ray Allen. Then, when the exact same roster Spurs team in 2014 decided to play beautiful team basketball, LeBron got thumped 4-1 in the Finals with the same supporting cast of Wade & Bosh. LeBron's had junk teams & super teams that he's taken to the Finals & been thumped with both. That's all you need to know when the uneducated bring up Jordan's super teams.
Putting into perspective, the comparisons between Kobe and Michael:
Kobe scored 81 v Toronto in 2006 in a regular season game, 10 years into his career.
MJ scored 63 against the Mighty Boston Celtics in his 2nd year after breaking his foot, and it was the 1st round of the play-offs against 5 future Hall of Fame starters ...at the Garden.
This is something to think seriously about.
That‘s the thing with the debate. You had to witness MJ playing to know that under pressure he would still be the MVP. LeBron showed several time that he doesn’t have that in him. He is a beast but not on par with MJ or Bird.
Kobe doesn’t count for me as he is too similar to MJ.
In short lebron didnt surpass Kobe nor Tim yet..and MJ said he didnt play wilt or West to give people opinion who is GOAT .ect
Rebounding, lebron has better numbers because he is nearer the rim. As for the 3-point thing, jordan is better when you put things into context.
Make sure you put the closer 3pt line for MJ for about 3 years into context too.
Jason Kidd experienced LeBron's offense against him was struggled in the 2011 Finals, so it's no surprise.
True but he played a lot of ganes against Bron after that too... so its not really only from those Finals against him.
Bros Kidd called Lebron the GOAT last year...
No he looks at reality
How does PGs regularly guard a 6’9 athletic super beast?
James games low iq and weak he has no bag at all
@@howsittastesI think they are pressured or payed to say that. Lebron has amassed a LOT of power over the NBA and Silver. Players and analysts know that and the ESPN’s and Fox’s can’t go against him.
This is not a logical or reasonable debate for a sane, UN manipulated brain. One man is undefeated in the finals for 2 3 peats in one decade, while amassing massive dominant numbers by playing team ball.
The other guy got dominated with sweeps and beat downs in finals which he contributed to by playing little to no defense as well as flopping, quitting or just mentally running away from the moment often. I didn’t even mention his record of failures 4-6. He has more failed seasons that MJ’s total career played. 😮. We won’t even talk about the accolades MJ has over him while playing team ball and not stat padding.
Imagine if Jordan approached the game from a selfish standpoint instead of team standpoint? No one would get close to his offensive or defensive numbers. Yet Lebron took much longer to pass some of MJs numbers he got playing team ball within a system.
The eye test seals the deal in any non-biased onlooker. Lebron is a lumbering, clumsy oaf by comparison with a very small offensive arsenal. All he has is hill smash football moves thatbare against the NBA rules but they let him get away with it.
I actually feel bad for the young generation who never got a chance to see how great Michael Jordan really was when LeBron James is the best player you’ve ever seen that’s pretty trash that’s like getting some head from a chick who give trash ass head but you were over here telling everybody about how fire it was Manju we all got heard from her and it was trash, but you out here promoting her like she’s the throat goat when she can’t even get past the tip in that same situation I feel bad for you because you haven’t got enough ahead in life just as we feel bad for you that you young kids think LeBron James is the greatest player to ever play. Damn y’all missed out.
Jordan average a triple double when he played point guard.
Wade said it best, he knows who MJ was..The guy’s talking about MJ you could feel the MJs Greatness…
Love me some Dwade. Classy dude and the 3rd best scoring guard in history. Mike, Kobe, Dwade.
This is a debate because it's subjective. Yeah numbers (chips, points scored, MVPs won) matter but greatness is measured by the intangibles too. The thing you hear about MJ is that he was a killer, THE killer. MJ was just born like that, he defines what it means to be a winner in basketball and people will always use him as the measuring stick.
D.Wade Michael Jordan is not your G.O.A.T he is the greatest player ever and forever and no one is close to Michael Jordan! I can understand why there is a comparison!
only 1 person I compare to MJ, thats Bird.
no matter what leflop does he is not in the conversation regardless how hard mediocres try to push it. he's been in the NBA way longer than anybody and still chasing MJ's legacy and people want to put him on same level as MJ, yáll must be high on some cheap stuff.
Dragging out 20 years to achieve the highest points means nothing to be the greatest, that's expected, it's those that achieved so much in less time.
MJ could've gone 10 for 10. Although even MJ himself described mental fatigue creeping in after 3 in a row.
Here's the problem with "numbers"
The Cap, Kareem, had 6 rings
2x fmvp. 6x mvp. 11x all defense
15 all nba. 4x blk chmp
2x scr chmp. 19x all star
Scoring record.....
People were still saying Jordan was the GOAT. Less than 25% of people gave it to Russell, Kareem, or someone else......
Lebrons numbers are not greater than Kareem.
I put Lebron 5 or 6. That's respectable and fair for a choker on 3 super teams
1:10 bro that picture is wiiiiild... I need that shit framed in my living room or something 😂 love you forever Kob'
Lebron James never encountered such an OFFENSIVE savy like MJ, Who is both CLEVER ,SKILLED, AND SUPER TALENTED on the court.
Lebron James is even not on the same atmosphere when it comes to Decision making and Killer Instinct like Jordan, Even the late Kobe Bryant said that he lacks that attribute.
He even needed WADE and BOSH to be the better version of himself.
Michael Jordan's Resume is just almost UNREPEATABLE.
lol
If Kobe come nowdays or anytime just not in Jordan Era he would be much higher..Kobe was just literaly in MJ shadow..some from design some from big shadow..
I miss Kobe.. he was way more skilled than lebron
If Kobe didn’t tear his Achilles,
If you put LeBron James on the same team as Jordan or Kobe he would be the number 2 option
you know why? Cause Lebron can do anything and also can handle all position, that 2 guys noob cannot 🤣 LBJ is the ONLY GOAT👑
@@GGG-- Why couldn't he stop Jason Terry in the NBA finals? Why couldn't he score on 5'9 JJ Barea when Barea was guarding him in the NBA Finals?
@@bainer3052good one
Jordan was deemed the best player ever before winning a title...by his 3rd title he was deemed the greatest basketball player...after his first retirement came back and another 3 titles he was deemed the goat...greatest athlete of all time
Michael Jordon = Killer instinct, finishing in the 4th quarter, game winners- series winners shots, always wanting the ball for the last deciding shot, playing every single night so all fans get to witness the GOAT- no player management BS, playing incredible defense every single All NBA 1st team on both sides of the ball, denied many hall of fame players of a title who were in the finals against him, won six titles with one other great player and no superstars but solid role players (ie a team), never, ever actually verbally proclaimed to the world that he was the GOAT, never had to chase away or have coaches fired, never demanding to trade half the team to get him the “help” he needs, never played on a super team besides the Olympics, never had to chase rings, never having 2-3 TV networks praising and arguing the GOAT debate, never had to pay others to make the argument for him, never had the league commish in his jock strap, never was idolized by the refs, never went to the free throw line on so many bogus, phantom calls, never won undeserving awards, (AD should’ve won the MVP of the AAU championship….I mean in-season title), played in the years of defense and intense, physical basketball, never complained about EVERYTHING, never had an excuse on why he lost in the finals (one reason is he NEVER did lose) but if he had, wouldn’t come into the press conference with a cast, talking about playing with BS injuries, played in a very tough eastern conference and had to beat multiple 50+ win teams in the playoffs, never won a bogus covid Disney world title after months of rest, never had to demand people to “give him his damn respect”, never had to have his wife announce he is the GOAT, as a prediction of the future- never demanded his team draft his son so they can play together although he’s just ok at bball, never had to look like an Amish elder with a deep suntan, never disrespected the team that drafted him (his hometown) to chase rings and build super teams, never only read the first page of numerous books while having his picture taken, never was a woke social Justice warrior, never whined about being discriminated against as a black man who just happens to also be a billionaire, never sold his soul to communist China, never crowned himself the king with the putting on the crown move in games or on stage, never paid a tattoo artist to put Chosen 1 across his back, etc….
The list just keeps going but these are just some of the reasons Michael Jordon will ALWAYS be the GOAT and Lebron shouldn’t even be in this conversation because, besides Jordan, Kobe, Kareem, and Wilt are above Bron in this debate. Just own it “The King, the Chosen 1” that you’d be lucky to crack the top five players. You’re top 10 at best.
Lebron never passed bird and many others this conversation is baseless and media created Jordan is on different level Lebron is maybe top 10
I agree with u 100%, the way he passed Kareem, magic, bird, Kobe and all those guys was by putting himself in the GOAT conversation with MJ, so when people say MJ is the GOAT everyone else says ok so Lebron is second. When did lebron beat Kareem? Kareem had the scoring record, 6 championships,4 MVPS, 2 scoring titles etc his resume is way better than Lebrons 🤷🏽♂️
Well said
LaDiva could never Mj W
100 times out of 100 MJ all day period!!!! The real 🐐🐐🐐
Only ones who will even question the greatness of the greats before whether it be Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic or Jordan are people who have never watched them play. Before Bird, there was another name seemingly whitewashed from the books and his nickname was Hondo. John Havlicek. The man was a beast of a player. He is often left out of conversations but truth be told, he is better than most all the superstars of today. Like Bird, not a high flyer so he wasn’t into glamorous plays like today but he got the job done and nobody worked harder at honing their game.
Bro Magic is better then James I mean guys the propaganda is just disgusting
Magic is probably the best floor general of all time. Bron just be stat stacking.
And his high stats don't even convert to winning all the time. Hence his
finals record. It's just debate weapons for his fans.
now i like what DWade said
Maybe let off the background music a tad bit so we can hear them talk. Other than that, great content. Thanks!
this was NEVER a debate for me LEBRON career is manufactured, before he WON anything he was callin himself the king & the MEDIA sold it, he was never JORDAN💯
I like the video. I can barely hear the players over the background music.
Stats are with Willt (and not with LJ): 2nd in PPG, 1st in RPG (22.9), 1st in BPG (not really officially recorded, but somewhere between 8-15 BPG)
Aaaaaaah. I see why Bron didn’t show up at his hall of fame induction…..he took this personally! 😂😂😂😂
My childhood was 90’s. MJ will be my Goat 🐐 no matter what Lebron can accomplish or achieve if he retire.. For me Kobe was closest to MJ..
Áudio could be a little louder... Or the music on a lower volume😢
the other reason Le Bron has more points is 3years in college for Jordan 2 years early retirement ,retired in his prime he might have 8 NBA titles . So as 5 years of his pts per game based on 76 games played times 5 =new totals plus playoff games of which he avg 12.5 games x5yrs = then take his 33.5pts a game x12.5x5= his new totals. So Lebron playing his last 14 years in a league that has become more passive and with load management camping out for a 3pt shot has given all NBA players an extension of years to their careers.
Nice video. But music too loud
I have watched basketball for 45 years. Main difference between the 2 is M.J. can jump higher and played higher level of defense period . But there both top players of all time.
Who Lebron is ? Lol 😆 and you’ve watched basketball for 45 years 😆
WELL SAID D WADE
I would have watched this in full but the damn music
Felt very quiet. You should add background music to this
MJ has more scoring titles than Kobe and LBJ combined. And he did it during the hand check hard foul era......
MJ and Kobe had a work ethic sbove all... that's why teammates called them a..holes,but also made them better. Kobe came in and completely changed that Dream Team with his work ethic...MJ and Kobe's killa instinct was devastating
Lebron really only has the longevity argument in this debate - MJ accomplished more in less time and did it in a more physical era.
He is still the only player in NBA history to win the Scoring Title (he averaged 35.0 PPG) and the Defensive Player of the Year in the same year, also he is the only player in NBA history to achieve (in the same season) the following accolades:
Regular Season MVP
Scoring Champion
NBA Champion
Finals MVP
Selected to All NBA First Team
Selected to All Defensive 1st Team
He did that 4 times in all and 2 other times he won all bar the Regular Season MVP - over 7 consecutive years he won the Scoring Title every year averaging 30+ PPG every year and missed a grand total of just 7 games!
He is the GOAT and it is not even a close debate.
I'm 70 and Wilt will always be my GOAT
8 for 8 would have bern crazy 🤯
Turn the background music down a bit 😂
MWP is all over the place with his memory of MJ's last years....said he missed most of his first season with the Wizards then came back for two more and that his very last season was really bad, that he dropped 40 the first season. Not quite true. MJ only played two seasons as a Wizard and he dropped 40 on Metta in his final season, one month shy of his 40th birthday
Before Phil came Doug Collins had MJ at the point and he put up a triple double almost every night. His scoring dropped slightly but his assists went up astronomically. Not just 10-11, Im talking 15-16 assists per game.
Jordan was primarily a scorer but to say he didn’t pass or that it was the weakest part of his game is such a made up thing.
Jordan said it best “ the real question is who had a better team around”.
Jordan and pippen played around 10 years together and had phill Jackson as a coach the whole time. Never saw or heard pippen thought that he was than MJ. We all witnessed Kyrie behavior towards LBJ. He finally understood after many failures, he was not all that. Jordan is great, at the same time, we can say that he had a better team around him for a longer period of time.
8 from 8, I believe that..
Damn, turn that music a lil down for next vids
That's how it is!!!!!
Thank you SSooooooo much for making this video. Five high pedigree NBA players that know from PERSONAL experience. 5 for 5 say MJ..... DWade may be the most impactful. My sentiments exactly!! It's MJordan all day, everyday 4 me. Lebron is definately the Goat of this era. Which IS very significant. So props to LBJ
To even put LeBron in the same sentence with MJ is delusional…Mildly expressed
You can see the tension in this clip. They clowned tf outta him bout that banana boat 😂
As jordan said about drexler, he is only better than me at 3 pt shooting than i choose to be.
9:58 I agree with what Ron is saying here. If MJ, who was an amazing shooter back when you could put hands on people, played in this era where you can't touch a dude on mid range and 3s without a call and if he played exactly like harden played in Houston.... Bro... That dude be averaging whatever he wants. If he gets 80% of his teams shots ? Stop it. This would just be unfair. I would have loved to see his matchup vs golden state if MJ played today
No debate. Jordan is the bar.
It boils down to this... facing Lebron worried teams. Facing MJ terrified teams.
Reggie's comments are Classic