E148 - Bob Melvin Ejected by Dan Bellino After Rougned Odor's Pitch Clock Violation in Extra Innings
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- 1B Umpire Dan Bellino ejected Padres manager Bob Melvin for arguing a pitch clock violation on San Diego batter Rougned Odor in Philadelphia. Odor, perchance distracted by Phillies 3B Edmundo Sosa's trash pickup, wasn't in the box and alert by 8 seconds on the timer. Report: www.closecallsports.com/2023/...
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Also, Bob Melvin miiiiiight have forgotten that Dan Bellino is the crew chief, as evidenced by Melvin's desire to speak to Phil Cuzzi at second base after hearing Bellino's explanation of the call.
We review the pitch clock rules here, noting that the pitcher is NOT obligated to be on the mound or rubber at any time prior to the expiration of time at which point the pitcher shall begin delivery (or pickoff/disengagement), as well as reiterate that "common sense" is not a part of the baseball rulebook. - Sport
Next rule addendum "trash on the field must be placed in a receptacle by the third baseman before 10 seconds."
And name it after this guy lol
I feel like that's something where the umpire should grant time when the player calls attention to it. I don't think the player did so here, but also, all four umpires missed the debris? It seems odd to me.
But, how often do you see napkin float across the screen from. The center field camera? At least on e every few games. Seems like in general we are fine with a couple of pieces of trash on the field, but if it is caught in the grass and is flapping, I can also see that being distracting, especially of the napkin is white.
Add the (Edmundo) "Sosa rule" to the Contreras and Scherzer rules.
New rule addendum: baseball no longer played due to idiots trying to make people who don’t like baseball to suddenly like baseball by causing utter chaos and mayhem somehow causing everyone to hate baseball
I wish the broadcasters would have a rules analyst in the booth with them like they do in the NFL, so that fans are not mislead (even inadvertently).
Too many regional broadcasters. Each one getting a rules analyst would cost too much.
I’m gonna assume Cuzzi worked a prior Padres series where he was the fill-in crew chief. Melvin forgot, got confused, didn’t know Bellino was the regular crew chief so went to Cuzzi.
"If you're looking for common sense - you wont find any in the baseball rulebook"... love it.
Announcers: The pitcher wasn't ready at all
Me, barely paying attention: He doesn't have to be.
You, 15 second later: He doesn't have to be!
I feel like more announcers might need to take some time to watch a few of these breakdowns so they can understand the rules a bit better.
Exactly. I was watching someone else's "bad calls" video, and they were only bad calls because the announcers said they were. Lindsay already had a video on them and they were the right calls. Announcers make too much money to do such a terrible job at their job.
They never have and they never will, unfortunately.
No kidding - I barely watch baseball and when they were like the PITCHER has to be ready at 8 seconds - WHAT??! These guys are PAID for this. I'm just a schlub with no clue. And now close call sports is breaking this rule down - this isn't a "close call"!
FACTS!
Are local announcers this bad in any other major sport? I feel like this is anomalous to baseball.
The announcers getting hung up on the pitcher not being ready is weird since he's not allowed to be ready before the batter anyway
I do understand why the almost a play happening caused confusion, but a play didn't happen so no need to call time
The one thing I wonder is does or should the pitcher leaving the mound to cover a base to prevent an easy steal count as a disengagement, and then what would the rule be on when to restart the clock?
Then you would have pitchers receive the ball off the mound so the clock doesn't start right away. I think this part of the rule is fine.
I was wondering if it’s a disengagement too. I don’t think it should be that far, but I do think the timer should’ve been reset. A play did sort of happen. The 2B runner started to go to 3rd, defenders moved to cover, and once the 3B returned to his position the 2B runner returned to his base. To me this feels like a half-pickoff play, but a play nonetheless
I thought disengagement as well, but on second look he never really engaged with the rubber after receiving the ball.
In this case, it isn't disengagement. He can't engage the rubber and be prepared to pitch until the batter is in the box and alert to the pitcher.
@Subangelis the pitcher can engage the rubber (step on the rubber) at any time. It's just the pitcher can't come SET (bring feet closer and ball to glove) until the batter is alert to the pitcher.
You are correct that there was no disengagement because the pitcher never stepped on the rubber.
They're about to create a Hoffman rule because now pitchers are going to wander around the infield trying to trick the batter 😂
So leave trash on the field and third base uncovered?
It's just been a bad season for the Padres all around. Frustrating watching this train wreck every night.
Not quite so bad if you're a fan of the Giants, Dodgers, or any other NL West team.
Do you ever send these to the announcers and say here is why you are wrong?
This was one of your best yet!
I'm surprised that infielders haven't tried to fool batters like this before.
Reminds me of the Eddie Stanky rule that you can't jump up and down behind the pitcher to distract the batter
@@edsidawi1448 Correct me if I'm wrong, but that only applies when the pitcher is on the rubber, right?
Fans will now throw trash on the field when the road team is batting
@@cizzymac I believe so.
This felt like a disengagement by the pitcher and should have reset the clock and charged the pitcher with a disengagement. By rule it isn’t but hopefully they had add this edge case in and define a pitcher disengagement as when the pitcher leaves the mound area (the dirt).
I think all analysts should have to study the rule book, so they don't have these awful takes where they clearly don't know the rules. Aren't the analysts (for TV at least) employees of the clubs? Why do we have to suffer through listening to some former player from 20+ years ago tell us things that are blatantly wrong on a daily basis? They tell us how many calls an ump has missed, maybe we should have a fact checker come in late in each game and tell the audience how many things they got wrong that game, embarrass them in to doing better.
I think they're hired by the broadcast network but in some cases the team owns the network. Blue Jays/Rogers and Yankees/YES Network are good examples of this. Not being prepared though - that's on the analyst. And in this case, this was probably the least complicated thing about the pitch clock rule.
I'm just going to copy what I said above: Exactly. I was watching someone else's "bad calls" video, and they were only bad calls because the announcers said they were. Lindsay already had a video on them and they were the right calls. Announcers make too much money to do such a terrible job at their job.
Bob melvin brought all that Oakland success with him
As always, I love the detailed and entertaining analysis!
Lindsay, at what point does the pitch clock get reset? If the runner had actually started running, would that have reset the clock?
Yes, if a play was initiated on the runner (or the runner actually advanced), there would be a reset.
It's clear that the batter did not meet his 8 second requirement because he was affected by the pitcher leaving the mound. I believe that the pitcher had a valid reason for leaving the mound. Valid ONLY because there was a baserunner on 2nd. It was the right thing for the pitcher to leave the mound and it can be argued that this action by the pitcher was significant in holding the baserunner on second base. In my opinion, this makes the action of leaving the mound "a play". This action would not be reasonable with no baserunners but it is reasonable because of the baserunner. That distinction must be recognized as "a play".
The batter was not the culprit in disrupting the "normal" rhythm of play through an act of "gamesmanship" or the like. It makes no sense to penalize the batter here other than by taking an approach of ignoring reason (ie, UNREASONABLE) and blindly applying a rule that was created to address an excessive pattern of gamesmanship.
@@LindsayImber1
I mean... the pitcher left the mound to defend a base. Is there an actual definition for what constitutes a football move - errrrr, starting a play?
The runner on second moved towards third; the infielders and pitcher moved in response to the runner’s motion. If the runner has the right to run and the defenders have the right to defend, the pitch clock shouldn’t be running. Am I wrong?
I believe the pitcher walking towards third base absolutely was a play on the runner. It's absurd that they can distract the batter like that and then get a strike.
First, as Linds illustrated this was called 100% correctly by the umpires, to include the ejection. I thought Bellino gave Melvin a great deal of latitude to appeal the situation and enough was enough. I also think the rules should be changed in the off-season to fully empower umpires to reset the pitch clock for any reason. If, it turns out, that an umpire granted time and a pitch clock reset when they really shouldn't have, then MLB can review that situation and discipline the umpires accordingly. The whole point of the pitch clock is pace of play. How does it help pace of play to not allow the umpires to call time there, reset the pitch clock and continue the game without a protracted argument and discussion? Allowing for a reset there, would have been better for pace of play. Maybe you could make the argument that Marmol or someone from the STL bench would get ejected for arguing NOT calling a pitch clock violation. At some point, if pace of play is your goal, you have to allow for the path of least resistance. As for Melvin taking his argument to Cuzzi...I'm guessing in the moment, no MLB managers remember who the crew chief is. They should but, they don't. Cuzzi is 23 years older than Bellino and has been umpiring at the MLB level 7 years longer than Bellino. So, in Melvin's mind he is looking to go to the most senior looking guy on the crew which is Cuzzi. And that's ageism on his part.
They could have called time. Nothing in the rules disallows this. But the umps didn't know what the 3rd baseman was doing. He took care of the trash in plenty of time. Odor still could have been in the box.
@@Subangelis Disagree. MLB umpires have received a great of communication regarding administration of the pitch clock. Which is to say, they have been told not to pause and re-start the pitch clock in a situation like this. We know this because if they had not been told that, Bellino and countless others who have had situations like this this season would have paused and reset the clock. Nobody cares if Odor could have been in the batter's box and alert to the pitcher or not. If the umpires don't follow orders and administer the game as they have been told, they no longer get to be umpires.
@@1969EType Two things, first, since there was a runner on and the pitcher moved towards third base to discourage advancement, I think it can be said that a baseball play happened and there should be a reset. It was akin to a disengagement, although I don't think the pitcher was ever on the rubber.
Second, this was an innocent move by the third baseperson, but it was distracting to the batter, so much so a strike was called. I see no difference between this and the prohibition of a fielder distracting a batter while the pitcher is throwing a pitch. Seems ripe for abuse.
Nope, the pitcher disengaged from the at bat. Rules state that the clock should of been reset in the same fashion as if he attempted a pick off. Dead wrong from the umps.
@@aaronmeyer-abbott596 That would be correct if he engaged and disengaged. I don’t have him engaged…
Love you Lin
I just watched a whole Mutt game. No laughs
You made me laugh 3 times in 5 minutes and got my daily knowledge
Technically, when the pitcher left the mound to cover third, that would be considered a disengagement with a runner on base, therefore, the clock should reset.
Excellent break down as always
Haven't watched a game all year. Fucked up rules like this make me appreciate that decision.
At least you said the rules (particularly the nuances) are the F’ed up part.
Just wondering why this wasn't considered a disengagement? He was on the mound, and may have even touched the rubber.
He did touch the rubber, although moreso he stepped on it as he started running to 3B.
I agree this should be a disengement if it's not just an umpire discretion reset.
I'm all for making fun of the Dads, but this was some bullshit even if the umpires were technically correct. The best kind of correct is being technically correct /s
I was thinking the same thing. Does the pitcher have to come into the stretch, or at least be standing still on the rubber, for a disengagement to be counted?
I love your videos
I seen it on tv and Melvin totally asked for it and Sosa did nothing wrong with picking up the trash on the infield.
Exactly right and we’ll stated here. The manager should know this. Of course he should also know who the crew chief is too. By the way, I enjoyed the nonchalant ejection mechanic
I am not sure Melvin DIDN'T know. but was looking for an exception.
I would think this is the type of thing there could and should be an exception for. Imagine if there were no runners on. The ball is still "live" but clearly the fielder is a distraction.
@@edsidawi1448 the key here is the ball is still live. There was no ask for time and really nothing warranted killing the play. Umpires are limited in this instance and there wasn’t much that could be done from a preventative officiating perspective
@@RobZelinka I understand and agree this was officiated 100% correctly.
It does seem like a hole in the rule that could be exploited and should be fixed
Bellino was butthurt that Melvin thought Cuzzi was the crew chief🤣
So the pitcher had a legitimate reason for going to third to cover the open base. This is a problem with the pitch clock rules. Apply 9.01(c) or whatever the number is now and don't call a strike. Start the clock over.
LOL you know the rules better than the managers and the announcers!
I would disagree that there isn't any commen sense in the rule book. There's plenty there. That's why they had a 9.01(c) because eventually you run into situations where there is no clear cut answer or it isn't covered, and this is one situation where it apparently isn't covered.
This is a solid rule - it's an exclusionary rule, which I actually like a lot for the mound. The pitcher can have specific things on them, but nothing else unless they have permission from the league or the umpire crew. I've removed a rag in a hot game that clearly had small patches of some foreign/sticky substance that seemed like a kind of wax. Umpires can't be constantly checking all this stuff for foreign substances to ensure the game is fair when the object can simply be removed.
It's pretty odd that he thought he could do this, like 30 people in that dugout said nothing to the guy?
Edmundo Sosa masterclass just stole a strike for Hoffman
Is the new meta going to be the pitcher stands off the mound with a live ball until the 8 seconds on the clock?
The umpire messed up when he didn't call time when the 3rd basemen went after the trash on the field. Closecallsports should have emphasized this.
defense or the batter has to request time first, an Umpire isn't going to be calling time otherwise unless it's required as part of a play.
Actually the pitcher does have to be ready. Both pitcher and batter have to be ready at the 8 second mark. I’ve seen several pitchers called for a pitch clock violation by not being ready and acknowledging the batter by the 8 second mark. If it’s not in the rules then they need to add it because as far as I’m aware and from what I’ve seen while watching games both batter and pitcher have to be ready by 8. If it’s not a part of the rule then they should specify it because just about every manager in the league would be giving Phil and Dan the exact same argument as Melvin did here and I don’t blame them at all considering pitchers have been called for pitch clock violations several times this year for not being ready by 8 second mark
that's not in the rules so that would be false, I don't know what those violations were about but probably had something else to do with it. Pitchers aren't even required to be ready, the Catcher just has to be in his box by 9 seconds, batter has to be in his box and ALERT to the Pitcher by 8 seconds but no requirements like this for the Pitcher, they just need to be on the plate and START their delivery before the clock hits zero.
Melvin clearly had no problem with his runner being allowed to steal third on F5's going to get the trash.
Logic follows that the ball was live. So no exceptions to the pitch clock rule are appropriate.
Oh yeah, it's 2023. Logic is dead.
But if the pitcher does go to third to stop the runner, ins't that a disengagement without ever being engaged?
@@edsidawi1448 How does one disengage something they aren't engaged with?
@@FactsMatter An excellent question
While not required, would preventative officiating have suggested to call time?
I think Cuzzi should have walked away and told him to talk to the crew chief.
Phil was able to talk to him. Before Dan jumped in😂😂. I don’t think bob should have talked to Dan because Phil cuzzi is the second base umpire. In the middle he could of seen the bigger picture of the issue
With as bad as the ball/strike umpiring was this whole series, it’s hard to believe there is a crew chief
I think that as soon as the pitcher left the mound to protect 3rd the clock should have been reset.
Usually I thought it was the oldest umpire as the crew chief. They change it up with others young umpires to run the crew
as I understood it, I was under the impression that the Crew Chiefs were more about length of how long they've been doing that job.
This was so FUNNY the way you did this Lin! I can only imagine how RUTHLESS RoboLindsay would have been with this! That said though I wonder if MLB might make a revision for this though?
What rules apply due to trash or objects on the field? (I don’t know the rules.) I’m confused why that wouldn’t be an automatic time out?
sadly there's nothing like that generally someone has to request time before an Umpire grants it especially if the ball is live.
If the pitcher disengages it doesn't reset the clock?
Okay answer this. Can a manager call time out if he's sees a batter is about to take a violation?
It's amazing that announcers still don't know the rules.
No, it’s not. I’ve officiated for 36 years and one thing is true. Players, coaches and fans do not know the rules. Announcers don’t either.
Looks like a planned play on the Phils part. Note how the catcher looks back at the umpire at the 8 second mark. Looks like he is bringing attention to the clock.
Technically correct call, but still a bad call in the name of sportsmanship and the nature of the game.
No good deed goes unpunished!
So leave trash on the field?
This one shows a hole in the rule… its the rules first year.. it’s already been tweaked a few times and this shows that hey, the team was dealing with a legit potential play.. that should have created a reset… but the rule don’t have that thought in mind.. what would have happened if the runner actually did go? Again, no allowance for it in the rule once the clock started.. ugh. gotta love new rules… always find loopholes both good and bad in them. (or more needed for legit reasons.)
If the runner actually did go, that would constitute a play, and the pitch clock would reset.
@@Subangelis He started to go… which is why I said they had a legit reason… again.. a hole in the rule.. they were preparing for a legit possible play.. if they hadn’t reacted.. he would have completed his run to third… We all know that.. but the rule… doesn’t have that allowance until he fully committed to going… as they say.. the road to hell is paved with good intentions…
How was this handled in the leagues that had it in the past? Seems like this thing should have happened before. My guess is there was a reset and no one thought more about it so it didn't get discussed during the MLB rules meetings.
1:21 you may love the pitch clock rule but I absolutely hate it. They’re taking the speed up the game process a little too far.
Those San Diego announcers sounded like they had no clue about lots of things this weekend - as a Phillies fan we got to hear them in the CZcams video game highlights.
With the twenty minutes we waste every Game throwing someone out arguing over the rules we could just not have the clock.
I understand that this is, primarily, a channel about officiating. As far as I can tell, the umpires have made the correct call, in terms of following the rules. But, we need to step back and say, very clearly, the fact that the pitch clock rule awards no authority to the umpires for leniency is mindless. Surely, the rule makers do not believe that they have accounted for every possibility (i.e., this). So, it would make much more sense if umpires could say, “nobody did anything wrong, let’s move on”, instead of being forced to make ludicrous calls like this one.
A very reasoned argument
An umpire is allowed to call for a clock reset at their own discretion, and I'd think he could have done that here.
What would happen if the pitcher wasn’t even on the mound at 8 seconds? Here he just barely got back by 9 seconds. If he’s got the ball but standing off to the 3B side of the mound, does the batter need to make alert eye contact to the pitcher or to the mound?
nothing stopping the pitcher from wondering around and long as they make eye contact and start on time
This isn't in the spirit of the rule, would be my only issue. Why not add to the rule saying the pitcher or infielder distracting the batter will negate the violation. The clock can keep ticking, and the pitcher can still make the pitch before the clock runs out. Even if the batter isn't ready.
Thank you, watching this live I wasn't sure what the rule was regarding the pitcher on the mound or set, apparently, it's just thrown the ball to the plate before it hits zero.
You say the pitcher is not obliged to do anything what so ever. No eye contact with batter ?
the Pitcher doesn't have to do anything other than make sure he starts his delivery before the clock hits zero, he doesn't even have to be on a plate or anything like that, he only has to be on the plate and start his delivery before the clock hits 0 I think that is what she was trying to say when it came to the clock regarding Pitchers.
A little late response from me on this one. But, it seems like the San Diego Padres aren't having fun at that time. Yikes.
Timestamps:
⏺️ 3:13: Phillies Broadcast (1) - "Alright... he's (Bob Melvin - San Diego Padres manager); gonna get thrown out that way?..." Uh, yes he did ejected that way.
⏺️ 3:17: Phillies Broadcast (2) - "Oh my gosh."
⏺️ 4:43: Padres Broadcast - "And, he's been ejected."
My Thoughts: Why I am not shocked that about this one? Good grief. Better check the rule book before you do something like this.
Mark Grant is ignorant of many things...the rules of baseball chief among them.
Cmon let’s use common sense here…the crew messed up. With the trash on the field, someone should have called time and then reset the clock when the pitcher is back in the circle with the ball…
The MLB rulebook is enormous and intricate (I should know, I’ve never read it), buuuuut there’s no excuse for incorrectly believing that the pitcher is subject to the same “readiness” obligation as the batter. Maybe Melvin’s antics were meant as a protective gesture for Odor, to mask his mistake?
If it’s a live ball, why is timer on
the pitch clock is always on once the Pitcher gets the ball if I recall correctly
You could do a whole channel on sportscaster ignorance
Goodness gracious 148 ejections?! 300 is going to be on the horizon! I hope CCS got a team at this go rate. You will be burned out.
I think there's actually 149. David Bell got ejected yesterday too.
@vincentwendt720 that's correct we will wait for the video soon. But yes we are on record pace.
If the batter had asked for time out when he saw the delay caused by the third baseman, all would have been fine (so long as the batter didn't need to ask for another time out when the first baseman went to retrieve some fan's hat that blew onto the field).
Batters are limited to one time out per plate appearance now, and they shouldn't have to waste it on something like that. The umpires should have called "time" themselves, since the field was not suitable for play.
Dan "the massager" Bellino's ego couldn't handle Melvin going around him to a more experienced official. This crew just loves face time.
Why isn’t Phil cuzzi the CC?
I think it's because while he started in '91, he left a couple years later and didn't come back until '99.
Yet they reset the pitch clock at their discretion at other times
Does the rule not reset the clock for a pitcher disengagement? The pitcher was on. The mound at the start, 3rd grabs the trash and the pitcher disengaged to walk towards third because of the runner at second. Should that not have been a disengagement and a clock reset? I love this rule.
In this case, it isn't disengagement. He can't engage the rubber and be prepared to pitch until the batter is in the box and alert to the pitcher.
@@Subangelis It’s all confusing sometimes. I’ve seen pitchers engaged, batter not in the box and the pitcher steps off to throw to first for pick off . . . And they called it disengage and reset the clock. Just glad I don’t have this yet at HS level! 🤣😂. Thanks for your insight.
Who the fuck is talking on this video and loving the pitch clock so much
After this video circulates how many other teams are going to do something like this to get pitch clock violations against the batter?
Have to disagree w/ you on this one. The argument is not whether Odor was in the box at 8. We have seen umps pause the start of the clock or even reset it for various reasons, it happens all the time. So why the ump didn't pause or reset here is the argument. I'm sure Melvin wasn't arguing about Odor and 8 seconds, he was arguing for the ump to control the clock properly which didn't happen here. Letter of rule, correct call. How this was handled within those rules and considering other cases this year, completely botched by the HPU.
These rules are stupid.
3rd baseman probably should have gotten an umpires attention to call time for the debris to be picked up. If the umpires noticed the debris they should have called time.
With runner on second no less
The broadcasters have no idea what the rules are
do they ever? even players and coaches don't know the rules.
Melvin is no fool - he probably knew Bellino was crew chief but his decision to go to Cuzzi reflects his opinion that Bellino SHOULDN'T BE crew chief if he's going to make unreasonable calls like this. I'm no lip-reader, but it looks to me like a power play - like Melvin wanted to delegitimize and embarrass Bellino here, kind of like "Yeah kid, I don't care what your title is, I need to talk to somebody who actually matters". Bellino probably deserved it. I think the rulebook exists to keep the game safe, entertaining, and fair. The enforcement of a literal interpretation of the rule here really looks like poor judgement - I feel fairly confident that the intent of the rule is to speed up the game - not to encourage fielders to confuse hitters into forgetting to call time.
Announcers must learn the rules by game time
More pitch clock tomfoolery. It would help if the people who introduced this rule played the game.
Why should trash be left on the field?
While the manager should know who the crew chief is, I’m surprised MLB doesn’t use the tactic employed by the NFL, where the head official wears a white hat and in the NHL, where the head official wears an orange armband.
I'm guessing he went to third base to understand why a timeout wasn't called with debris on the field.
3rd baseman probably should have gotten an umpires attention to call time for the debris to be picked up. If the umpires noticed the debris they should have called time.
Exhibit 3,976,232 for why the pitch clock is NONSENSE and needs to be removed-completely, and forever.
It’s not complicated to be in the box and alert by 8 seconds. Who cares what the rest of the players are doing. Just do your part and the rest will follow.
Exactly!
What if the batter already used his timeout? Why is this on the batter? Any player could run down the field and distract the batter tomorrow. Penalize both teams then
Then, the batter should learn not to be distracted.
@@coronaflo duh 😂
This is seriously such a goddamn stupid rule. another dumb incident where a coach got thrown out over a ridiculous rule. Why not just give everybody a free reset? Now defenses are going to pick up trash on purpose on every pitch lol. I can see this becoming a new way around the pitch clock rule. we have the Scherzer rule now here comes the Defense picking up trash rule. i.e the san diego rule lol
Dan just gets walked on here
I'm a huge fan of the pitch clock, but I think we just found a major situational issue with how the rule is written, and I'm honestly not sure how you fix it other than making it a judgement call by the umpire as to when the pitch clock starts and resets.
Simple fix - don't have Odor bat for you.
There’s common sense all over the rule book Lindsey. We know that no coach will actually read the good book. Therefore, leagues in every level of America’s Pastime invite the men and women in umpire blue to do show and tell to those participating in the day’s contest. We Umpires are happy to do so in the spirit of fair play and confusion! ⚾️
Dan Bellino doing his best to make the world forget Angel Hernandez. If this is "real and proper" baseball, they're going to kill the game. The grandson is good and loves it, but he can recognize when someone is getting hosed and he's NOT afraid to say so and just go play football. He may get screwed around by the refs, but I pity the next kid he tackles.
That’s not the intent of the rule. This rule is a Fing joke. Hate this rule so much.
yawn…the Padres are still considered an MLB team? Who knew 🤷♂️
This rule is bullshit. Time mlb removes pitch clock permanently. Baseball is supposed to be easy not this complicated.
Yes, common sense and the rule book are at odds at times, but sometimes the crew should just use a little common sense...
This is why the pitch clock doesn’t belong in baseball. If you don’t like the long games, play a different game.
A failure to understand the rule doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Time should have just been called to avoid the controversy.
@@mbdg6810 so how many more rules were added because of the pitch clock? Do we really need more confusing rules in baseball to save 30 minutes? Again. This is why we we don’t need a pitch clock in baseball. Play/watch a different sport if you can’t take the extra 30 minutes.
Even though there is no common sense in the baseball rule book there is common sense built into our ability to reason as humans. The problem I have here is the defense did something weird and the batter was penalized.
Yes you can argue these are professionals they know the rules but the players are humans they if something weird happens they are allowed to make a mistake. The goal of any official is to deliver as fair a result as possible for a given situation and penalizing the batter here is the least fair result.
Probably the best result here is once it’s clear the runner at 2nd can’t take 3rd to call time reset everything and proceed.
The umpires did nothing wrong other than failed to apply themselves to the situation and instead regurgitated the rules. They are human just like the players so hopefully they learn from this
Not sure where to start, there's just a whole lot of "that's wrong" with this video and the comments below.
This call fails both rule application and common sense.
It's clear disengagement by the pitcher. Thus the clock should be reset. Summary of the rule below, pay special attention to "or simply steps off the rubber for any reason"
The pitcher in the video steps off the rubber to run towards 3rd base. This alone should of reset the clock.
"Pickoffs
The new rule: Pickoffs are one version of a "disengagement," which consists of any time the pitcher makes a pickoff attempt, fakes a pickoff, or simply steps off the rubber for any reason, as well as when the defense requests time. Pitchers are allowed two disengagements per plate appearance without penalty. The disengagements rule resets if a runner or runners advance a base within the same plate appearance.
How it will be enforced: After a third step-off, the pitcher will be charged with a balk, unless at least one offensive player advances a base or an out is made on the ensuing play after the step off."
The presenter states around the 5 min mark that there are no rules that prevents the defence from distracting the batter. That's plainly false.
Here's the rule:
(c) No fielder shall take a position in the batter's line of vision, and with deliberate unsportsmanlike intent, act in a manner to distract the batter. PENALTY: The offender shall be removed from the game and shall leave the playing field, and, if a balk is made, it shall be nullified.
No. He is absolutely right to be mad. The entire point of the rule is to speed up the game. But stuff like keeps happening and severly slowing down the game. The rule needs to be rewritten and needs way better implementation. It should be more blatantly obvious to both the pitcher and batter that the pitch clock is still going, and there should be some kind of beeping sound to warn that a violation is about to happen.
How more blatantly obvious can they be with an actual pitch clock running where everyone can see? You want umps to hold the player's hands and treat them like little leaguers?
Since the pitcher left the mound to cover 3rd wouldn’t that count as a disengagement?
No, because he never engaged
I think the umpires should have called time if there was trash on the field. I would, and the games I umpire don’t even have a pitch clock.
Over umpiring. Don't get involved unless absolutely necessary.
@@KWally Not over umpiring, and here's why: The team that caused the delay wasn't the team that got penalized
Just thing about It. If the batter was alert at 8 seconds. The pitcher wpuld not have thrown a pitch. We would of had a pitcher violation. And the Phillies would have argued the call.
The home plate guy’s on this crew were really bad the whole series. Would love to see what you think of the that.
All the sports have been diluted, wimped out and bastardized. The pitch clock is a joke. MLB is circling the drain like the NFL and NBA. Thirty years from now I wonder if any of them will exist. Certainly not at the size and current form they are now. Flush please.
"The pitch clock is a joke", he says while applying clown makeup.
@@Subangelis Excellent feedback. Thank you.