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The Most Powerful Integrated Graphics Yet! The Fastest iGPU Is Here!
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- Get ready for a seismic shift in the world of integrated graphics! Intel's brand new Meteor Lake CPUs come roaring onto the scene, packing the fastest iGPU ever seen. But can it dethrone AMD's RDNA 3 dominance? We put both to the test in real-world gaming benchmarks, synthetic tests, and even battery life comparisons!
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As long as Intel can make more than 5 of this chips I’ll be happy. Given how hard it is to find a 680M or 780M laptop in the US without a dGPU, Intel has a huge opportunity to take over the iGPU laptop gaming market in 2024.
literally any ideapad pro/yoga 6 from lenovo.
Ultrabook APU works at 65 Watts to compete with AMD's 25-28 Watt :) Great move intel :D
Exactly, RDNA2/RDNA3 12CUs iGPU(Radeon 680M/780M) are are much better in gaming performance than this joke iGPU, It's all well and good to have high performance in synthetics like in 3DMark if you don't want to find them in practice in games.
But AMD's 7945HX for example goes up to 75watt. (or the 7940HS that goes up to 55watt...)
@@AndrewTSq7945HX is a year old 16-core desktop CPU that smokes Meteor Lake and is not comparable anyway
I know. The Arc GPUs ain't bad but Intel are obviously still newbies to the GPU market.
@@one_step_sideways7940HS with 780M is fair game. 8940HS would be a better comparison. But then let's not forget all those hardware decoding and stuff. CPU with iGPU isn't only for gaming.
Half-Life 2 by default has a ~288FPS cap
To disable it, type in the console:
disconnect
fps_max 9999 (any number works here to set a frame limit, idk the max limit)
that'd be unnecessary heat & fan noise
@@kucingganteng3148 do you know what a damn benchmark is
The 8700G is like "Hold my beer"
😂😂
I have the impression that the 780m would achieve similar performance with 30w.
20-30% better
Prime I'm getting the impression that you don't keep a record of the BENCHMARK results. There's almost never any mention of what results you've seen with previous hardware.
Dudes an infomercial
Yea it seems like everytime he shows gameplay it's always the exact same thing with zero context to how it compares to the competition. I would love to see some comparison data because it's definitely there he just needs to show it
He dont do side by side comparisons because his sponsor's dont want to be seen getting stomped by each other. Next week there will be another "Fastest Igpu/Mini Pc That can run cyberpunk 2077 at 720p low settings etc".
Direct comparison with the competition is bad, it makes brands angry and stops sending products for testing. Sad story.
It's a shame because he posts so often and gets access to so many devices, but I've not seen him interact with the viewers and comments in months.. These same comments come up every video but never takes it onboard.
I think looking at those power levels, even the CPU is holding back the GPU from clocking higher. Also would love both AMD and Intel to focus on 9-15w range to make the best APU for that power segment.
Update is coming next month for 1 Watt iGPU Endurance Gaming. Total SoC will be 9.8 Watt.
First Bios 203,
ULTRA 7 155H at 28W got 13873 in Cinebench R23 multicore.
Give it time
I'd love to see Intel go for ultra efficient igpu aswell
But AMD can just reuse their 4c8t 3300x and call it a day
Tune it with 3nm and slap in big igpu like rdna3.5 16cu
I can see deck2 killing it for AAA titles in 800p90 OLED by 2025 if they use this setup
AMD and Nvidia are cooking up ARM chips for Windows, so that’ll probably be the magic bullet since Qualcomm’s graphics are lagging.
@@kozad86 yes
Please, test this igpu against radeon 780m igpu
z1 extreme too please.
Phoronix's IGP review shows that Arc is more efficient than the 780m, its the CPU part that is less efficient, but there was a firmware update that just increased performance per watt by 12%
First Bios 203,
ULTRA 7 155H at 28W got 13873 in Cinebench R23 multicore.
Nah, this ain't it. 64w for a mobile iGPU is laughable. This thing will need to be plugged in all the time and at that rate, might as well get a laptop with a discrete GPU.
Indeed. A 4060 at 65W is a lot more powerful.
Lmao you're missing the point entirely. Its an IGPU running games that NEED a dedicated GPU. In 5+ years from now desktop GPUs, or desktops in general will be obsolete.
@PsycosisIncarnated lol, don't be ridiculous. People have been hopeful that iGPUs would do what you were hoping for years ago. They will NEVER replace desktop or discreet GPUs. Games will continue to advance and the raw computational power needed to drive them will continue to ask for more.
iGPUs will always be behind on everything but lite gaming and heavily compromised visuals and at that point, why wouldn't you just get a PS5???
@@PsycosisIncarnated Look into the competition. The integrated 780m and Z1 Extreme chips dominate, matching the performance at 25-30 watts. This is the power consumption that needs to be targeted. 60 watts is pointless for this chip, because you're drawing power that requires you to stay plugged in. This GPU shouldn't exist.
@@Pruflas-Watts Not true, people are caring less about game graphics, like in movies people are caring less people special effects and CGI. It is more about gamplay and story now. People only need graphics to be so good. If intergrated graphics got to a 4090 you would see people stop buying a GPU there are many people that mentally check out from graphics.
That mammoth at 6:57 tho 😂
Seems like the gpu requires alot of wattage in order to compete with Amd and the 780m
Except....testers have proven at 25 percent locked power watts it beats and even at 30w.
No reason to trust some rando, who didn't even provide proof. Intel does what it can best, consume more watts and beat amd at 1.2-1.3x more power usage.
what testers... @@johnnyringo35
Raja Koduri's hallmark
@@johnnyringo35what testers? please provide sources!
Would also love to see it running Emulators when drivers mature and when Emulators have incorporated the new hardware in their updates.
Good luck with that. You'd be better searching elsewhere. ETA rarely does any emulator testing, as I think his sponsors don't want to display their products in that 'gray' area
ETA is a corpo shill@@bundangkorea
I can't wait too!!
the title is utterly missleading. You took the buttom of the laptop off. Used additional fans. Also could've gone to Antarctica or put it in the open space to test it...
Testing at 64w to see the upper limits is great but many people may not be able to push that high in real world use cases. It would be interesting to see how it performs in a direct head to head with the 780m when at 28w and 45w TDP's to see how it scales with power usage. I'm guessing the Radeon 780m may perform better at lower TDP levels, but that's just my hypothesis. Would be nice to see the actual results.
780m at 28W : 2900 Time spy graphics. 30W: 3000 32W : 3100 45W: 3200 and 9200 for CPU......ASUS 155H laptop at 28W : 3150 time spy graphics ACER 155H laptop at 30W: 3100. MSI 155H laptop at 32W : 3200 and 45W 3450.
@@tomaspavka2014 Lol, Intel just making these one better efficiently
Can't wait to see such CPUs in Mini pcs
i think you were supposed to show me the default performance first then overclock later, now you are running the laptop @65 watts with the bottom cover removed, who does that? you make flawed videos with no consumer content in mind.
Basically just a shill these days.
"Row of chips" ah yes, soldered ram, hard pass.
Sad future Ahead my friend 😭
@@pangtundure Very much so. Sad to see upgradability go out the window with newer devices.
@@Tiger9194 Its not even that, replacing soldered ram is not difficult but the fact that there is no bios for it makes it almost impossible and is the actuall problem
Yeah we all know who to blame this on in the name of efficiency they charging $200 USD for DRAM 😬
That's why I went out of my way to buy a Framework Laptop (13 AMD 7840U). RAM (2x Crucial 16GB DDR5 SO-DIMMs) was one of the cheapest part of it, and currently, 96GB is the max supported (2x 48GB SO-DIMMs). It cost more than any generic laptop, but I figured I'd vote with my wallet. It has its quirks still, but I've not had any usability issues. Some people on the forum are running into stability issues, but I've no idea why. Mine has been perfectly stable.
How is something fastest if you test one at an unfair advantage?
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Let's wait and see how it truly performs on handhelds at 15W
as well as the game compatibility/drivers vs the 7840u + 780m
Phoronix's IGP review shows that Arc is more efficient than the 780m, its the CPU part that is less efficient, but there was a firmware update that just increased performance per watt by 12%
First Bios 203,
ULTRA 7 155H at 28W got 13873 in Cinebench R23 multicore.
Intel has 10 Watt endurance gaming and its driver is coming next month.
you will be REALLY dissapointed with the result. It is not abt how powerfull are CPU & GPU are, but about how they are working together inside thermal & power envelope, trying not to step on eachovers throats in the porcess 😅
Wouldn't a 7940hs curb stomp this thing? Surely some models like the Flow X13 get similar wattage
not in games like overwatch2, 92fps at 25watt, compared to 89fps at 30watt on the AMD, cyberpunk 2077, the intel got 24fps at 35watt, where the amd got 21 at 30 watt. I wonder if ETA have the old drivers in these tests actually.
@@AndrewTSqnext month iGPU driver is coming for ARC XeLPG.
780m : " hold my beer " 😂😂
I think your title should have used a "?" instead of a "!". That seems to be the usual story with Intel products, if I pump up the power and live in a refrigerator then it kinda of, sort of, is better sometimes, maybe. Now I understand why AMD still uses the 780M in the 8000 series. You put in a very good effort putting lipstick on this pig and I always like your enthusiasm.
Why y'all crying so much? Is there a possibility to crank up the power on the 780M to match the performance ? If not then the title is accurate. There are always fanboys with the "yes but ..." Grow up and let it be. If the AMD iGPU is really better, go buy it, enjoy it, dislike this video and go on with your life.
Love it. I hope one day I can have a desktop PC with integrated graphics powerful to play everything I want.
Considering I mainly emulate up to PS2, and am not playing the latest and greatest PC games, perhaps that day isn't so far off.
Yeah, been on the lookout for a Beelink SER5 (Ryzen 7 5800H) to run my emulators. Like you, I've been more into my PS2 emulator than my PC games lately. But it's crazy expensive here. Last time I've checked, it was like R$700 USD on Amazon, which is like 2.5x our minimum wage. Still, I know it can handle all my emulation needs in the living room!
That's already possible, pretty much anything can run PS2 emulation. Gaming handhelds nowadays run PS3. I haven't tested it because I have a dGPU but my Ryzen 5 5600G can probably do it.
This channel is quickly becoming my favorite channel for oneshot reviews with no long term follow ups, long advertisements for Chinese manufacturers (some good some not so much), and clickbait builds (pairing high-end hardware low-mid end hardware as the choice for build). Keep up the great work.
How many VRAM shares can be set?
So how does this compare to 780m with 6400mhz memory? Oh right, not at all since you never tested that configuration. How about dropping the intel memory to 5600 so we have a more comparable situation? I am genuinely curious here since the igpus depend on system memory, comparing them with different memory clocks is not really useful ...
Someone has their jimmies rustled
@@raphael1186pointing out propaganda level accuracy is a valid complaint. Your statement would make sense of there was no comparison to competing chips.
@@raphael1186 not really. I can just remember when he was gushing over the perf increase when he got a 6900hx with ddr 6000 memory for testing ... so wanting an apples to apples comparison is suddenly bad?
The 780m beats the performance at half the wattage. It's no where close to competing.
I'd like to see Intel offer this in tiny Boxes like the Lil' Ryzen Boxes, that seem perfect for turning into SteamBoxes. Hopefully Intel tries to undercut AMD on price.
As for a game to try. My Daughter really like "A Hat in Time" which barely runs on the integrated graphics on the i5-8500....I tried doing the external GPU mod to use an RX-470 on the lil PC, but couldn't get it working on the HP 800 G4. Sticking with the 8500 integrated.
Intel got out of the NUC market
They got out, but there are other companies and they will use the Intel chips.
Great job , not more intel uhd graphic , mx450 , gtx graphics card please
I support this so that we can get better amd apus.
AMD crushes this. There's no practical use for this APU. if you don't care about power and heat, then a discreet gpu/cpu gives 10x the performance.
No mobile device can supply enough power to be usable.
@@kewlztertc5386Phoronix's IGP review shows that Arc is more efficient than the 780m, its the CPU part that is less efficient, but there was a firmware update that just increased performance per watt by 12%
@@kewlztertc5386First Bios 203,
ULTRA 7 155H at 28W got 13873 in Cinebench R23 multicore.
when plugin the gaming performance is nice, however it is a laptop, when it is in battery mode can't be compare with AMD. I think if it is made as a mini pc it would be great.
No, Intel is way more efficient than AMD.
@@HDRPC Intel maybe have better efficient if both AMD and Intel run in HIGH power, but what is the point for a laptop especially those slim size laptop for business travel purposes? under 25w Intel runs like mess and the price is higher than 7840u. If you want a monster laptop for desktop replacement, iGPU may not be a good option too. The place now ultra core is in between power saving and performance preferences, maybe it is suitable for some specific use or Intel fans because it is really good when comparing with old Intel generation. But for a mobile using case, it is not a good option.
@@HDRPCstop spreading false truth, intel fan boy
nowadays, even set to low graphic setting, games still look good.
"It can beat the 780m... if you jack the power through the roof and remove the bottom of the laptop" isn't exactly a glowing review of this Intel chip.
What’a with that glitching mammoth in Skyrim
direct comparison pls at same tdps
Intel drivers? Never again.
I've just heard the MK1 crashing and I had enough
I wonder what the Msi handheld with this chip is going to run like, I feel like its a mistake to be using that chip but I get that MSI is trying to be different but I certainly won't take that over my Legion go...
Problem with the 780M is that its amd and you cant find it available on many laptop releases. With the meteorlake hopefully it will be widely available.
Yes. Now Intel is more efficient than AMD in both CPU and iGPU
@@HDRPCI guess you haven't seen the Gamers Nexus about CPUs efficiency.
@@valrond
I know you haven't watched "Tech Notice" video titled "INTEL and AMD both Lied"
I know you will never watch this tech notice video.
@@valrond i am not talking about only gaming. Intel is more powerful and more efficient in content creation. Gamer Nexus, hardware unboxed only show gaming efficiency which is one side of the story.
AMD is power hungry in content creation and also very slow compared to Intel.
@@valrond gamer Nexus is doing METEOR Lake laptop reviews?
What?? Even cannot putting higher setting when it can barely run at these
And in like 2 months there will be the 8000 series by AMD
how good does the 155H play star wars the old republic and guild wars 2 and how does it compare to the 7840U?
God of War may be ok at Normal Settings 1440p capped at 30FPS. I think that is one of the modes for the PS5 (maybe Fidelity).
why didn't you show us the temperatures when cranked up? What was the max temps you saw? That wouldve given an indication with how far we went in terms of temps
Just got this laptop as well. All good so far but hoping to optimize as much as possible for Video editing in Davinci. Do you know if MSI released a new Bios update that might be more optimized for Meteor Lake in the same way that ASUS just released a BIOS update?
How come no one has the 185H?
The gpu power in msi afterburner Is bugged i have a i3 1220P and gpu power says "23w" but in gpu z shows only 5w at 100%
not the fastest igpu, always click bait uh
I'm waiting for the U variants of these chips to end up in Chinese itx combo motherboards.
I think it'll be a pretty capable for a Plex nas.
65watts in a Ultrabook makes no sense.....
MSI laptop components quality are real crap, do you feel it too? anymoment I feel something comes off, my friend is a programmer and on of the keyboard keys broke to half while coding.
that's as good as my 3070Ti mobile!
Hey ETA listen that’s very important I have a Intel Arc A750 something was off when I was playing cod MW3 great fps results but I was looking for more performance
I went to control panel on balance I open it I saw Intel Graphics power and it was on balance I changed it to maximum performance sand thing for PCIE power management from moderate to off and I run the game up to 75% faster performance ❤😂
The thing I really love ❤️ with Intel Arc control app my default TDP was 190 watts I pushed it to 228 Watts gaining mode power and performance especially for Cyberpunk 2077
I have a similar laptop and can not get Arc Control Center to work. How did you get it working. Intel says it’s included with the driver but I must be missing something.
So i just got a laptop with this processor and igpu. Im assuming it will run the sims 4 at highest settings at 60 fps as well? Really the only game ill be playing
Hey have you updated the bios ? Some sites mention that intel launched a new bios which improves performanes
I cant find any comparisons of intel arc igpu vs dedicated graphics card, can some of tell what gpu is the intel gpu on par with?
intel still has a long way to go in drivers and current apu popularity, excited to see how amd will respond to this, i understand the concealment of temperature readings😉
It will be 100% fixed in January 2024. Driver is coming.
Phoronix's IGP review shows that Arc is more efficient than the 780m, its the CPU part that is less efficient, but there was a firmware update that just increased performance per watt by 12%
Long way to go on drivers? Tf?
Intel needs to bring this mobile CPUs with powerful iGPU over to the Desktop DIY segment.
Sorry if amateur question , but do we see handheld like rog ally in the future with this intel igpu ?
You want to pull hot air away not push cold air onto your device. For example if you blow cold air onto a tube amplifier you run the risk of your tubes or pcb cracking.
Bro’s been using the same games to benchmark for 3+ years…
How is it as compared to apple M3 Pro ? 😳
M3 pro has better graphics and 30% better single core performance, or so I've heard.
It is comparable to a M2 non-pro, with a exception to the CPU, that is similar (little less) to the M3 pro but using 2x the power
M3 Pro is worst in gaming compared to Intel and AMD iGPU
You should've mentioned how it compares to AMD 780 "out of the box" when not unlocked in bios and cooled down.
Or maybe you did and I missed that, sorry if so.
TBH, Douglas keeps interrupting cenk shows how much of a high horse he is. Don't interrupt ppl if you think you have a better point.
Bruh that bulged keyboard was getting on my nerves during the entire video
Emulation when ?
can you review the asus tuf a15 2021 ryzen 9 variant and tell if it's good for 2024 or not?
115W for PL2... Whoo, that's insane!
Interestingly the fastest igpu is technically inside a Mac.
Would love to see how this compete with a M3 and different gpu core configurations
If your workflow fits an Apple it may very well be the best choice (low power consumption, best perf per watt and absolutely silent) Personally I ran in too many (software) compatibility issues with an M1 and little annoyances like the behaviour of a scroll wheel (panning instead of zooming), such that I replaced it by an 4800U.
I hate apple it's so anti consumer, why are their cpus / gpus better than Intel and amd
Why does tsmc give the best cause CPUs to apple
@@Meditationisthebestmedicinebecause Apple pays for the most advanced nodes. And they pay a lot of money.
Yeah, but the thing with Apple is it's only fast for a good 30 minutes under heavy load. After that, it's throttled down. Still, it really does have one of if not the best iGPU around
7:51 Street Fighter 6 or 5 - typo alert again😁
asrock industrial has the i7 155H in a nuc form factor and it comes with a 120W power brick.
It might be able to max out the i7 155H if it doesn't thermal throttle first.
Do you have the newest bios installed? I read it can improve the efficiency quite a bit. Are the power infos correct by the way, is there a 28W limit for Arc? Why not higher, it's running at 1500 Mhz in most of your games.
GPU clock speeds might be wrong. Ultrabookreview reported that after a bios update it has been fixed (GPU clocks being reported properly).
can it run CAD?
Yes
Blender also.
feeling like downgrading my 3070 egpu laptop for an igpu laptop for the sake of portability and battery life! I have a desktop computer already and never play on the laptop !
So you now have a portable desktop laptop neat
Sir LP-E cores are not working for idle or light tasks.
Soldered ram cringe cringe cringe
This iGPU is definitely powerful than AMD 8700G APU based on the FPS alone.
good job intel but you really need to compete in small handheld with low tdp like mini, this huge tdp wont last long even with powerbank
That driver is coming next month for 1 Watt iGPU Endurance Gaming. Total SoC power will be 9.8 Watt.
Can you try it overclocked.
This may be interesting in mini PCs like the UM790 but feels a little underwhelming that Intel's best response is doing what AMD did to try and keep bulldozer competitive back in the 2010's. The power envelope is just too high to justify it for anything beyond being plugged in constantly.
although it's not that standout of a performance, you show case better than the other is demostrating, but Intel is heading the right direction at least, and from consumer point of view, this is what we want to see, competition.
is it possible to enable resizable bar on this new iGPU? intel GPUs really depend on it to run smoothly in many games
7:53 Street Fighter 6? isnt that Street Fighters 5?
can you test gta 4? it would be cool to see how well it handles the most infamous pc port of all time
Intel had market dominance untill amd came out with ryzen they should have enough money for research and development but they just keep disappointing
memory speed of 780M and intel arc igpu? are both at 5600? or 6400?
Same 6400mhz.
Total BS. Intel prodused honest trash with theese Meteor Lake chips. You need to compare performance with Apple and AMD chips, take into account heat and power consumption (critical for laptops). At first, I was pleased with your reviews, but now I see that every crappy device is amazing and awesome without ever comparing to anything. Will now ask CZcams to unsubscribe and not recommend your channel.
tell me what is the battery life like tho?
The problem in my opinion is that there are too many cores, if there were fewer of them probably at lower tdp would do better
I recently read about AMD MGPU, a tech that allows to run multiple same AMD GPU gen in parallel. BUT I cannot find benchmarks about it, and if AMD iGPU can boost discrete AMD GPU.
So back to crossfire like we had with the AMD RX480 ? Problem was that it would not work with most games, and even sometimes give you worse framerate than with one card.
@@AndrewTSq SLI and Crossfire had their benchmarks. The rare thing is that there are no benchmarks for this new tech, that in theory allows adding iGPU to 1 or 2 discrete GPU performance, at least in a percentage that is not yet published.
I recently played Black Mesa and that level in “half life 2” is on it. Half life 2 has the same levels ?
Ya all know, AMD could up the CUs a bit and then its GPU definitely can up the game a bit. I would say rather than perf the next stage of the battle would be either idle power draw or total power draw for the iGPU while maintaining perf
Did you use fsr?
Msi new handheld is using this soc
Ohhhh interesting, i like competition
ETA Shill ❤
What's that ??
It really doesn't need to power more than 28w TDP because the performance didn't really benefits from higher tdp but because the firmware bugged right now. It's funny how Amdumbs aka AMD fanboy making fun of Intel but being totally fine with Amd milking you fanboy with the same shit cpu and gpu for ryzen 8000 series.
Please do some undervolting on this. Having an old haswell laptop i can undervolt mine -90mv on the cpu, -110mv on the igpu and -40mv on the cache.
Intel restricted undervolting since Whiskey Lake. The latest CPU generation that could be easily undervolted (if you downgraded your bios) is Kaby Lake Refresh. I could undervolt the i7-8550U inside my ThinkPad T480 by -110mv on CPU, -105 on cache and -50 on the iGPU. Also the cache can be undervolted much more, I think you mistook the values because the best to worst undervolters are the CPU, Cache and iGPU respectively, and cache shouldn't be too far apart from the CPU, only by like 10mV