Extinction Rebellion's Roger Hallam: It's not the climate, it's the system | The Chris Hedges Report
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Earlier this year, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), an international body of UN scientists, delivered a "final warning" to drastically cut global emissions in order to prevent the heating of the planet past 1.5 degrees Celsius. As the exponentially accelerating effects of the climate crisis have become more apparent in recent years, so too has activism to demand urgent action from governments. In the UK, a movement known as Extinction Rebellion (XR) first emerged in 2018, and then proliferated around the globe. XR has helped popularize the spread of civil disobedience tactics in the contemporary environmental movement. But what is the movement's theory of change? How does XR seek to proceed from direct action tactics to systems change on a timescale that matches the rapidly degrading state of our the earth's ecological systems? Roger Hallam, co-founder of XR and leader of the activist organization Just Stop Oil, joins The Chris Hedges Report for a conversation on tactics and strategy to save the planet, which ultimately requires transforming the system.
Just Stop Oil will be staging a series of slow marches around the streets of London on April 24th: juststopoil.org/2023/04/15/ju...
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Listening to Roger makes me realise that ordinary folks on the left and right have a lot in common. It is the elites that repress us all
Divide and conquer is the root of our collective square stupidity (emotional, intellectual &spiritual), and there are Homo sapiens parasiticus, (the pseudo elites) making „profit“ out of it.
Only collective intelligence is able to solve the problems created by collective square stupidity.
We must dissolve the inherited bad social habits, and transform them into good ones.
By the way, the centerpiece of democracy and crowd intelligence is the public communication space, the only place we can unite.
Because the media is sabotaging this, not by accident , we must create our own space to make that right…
Or in other words: We should study and practice Hoòponopono (doing the right thing the right way)
Weak, privileged city dwellers with no sense of real reality have very little in common with hard working, strong rural individuals living off their land or their trade skills. Large metropolises are always the problem.
Yeah- both "sides" are lukewarm, lazy, greedy idiots that can't see that even these XR folks are hypocrites that carry on with the same old shit, ultimately, like the Hallam fellow, who lives a fairly cush life, but will urge others- especially the youth- to go out and muck "it" up in various ways, driving the ire of the world.
A bunch of idiots that will work with and within the same tyrannical system and expect some genuine change .
But look at us all- the Brave Children of Man- tippy-typing upon these devices that suck the dark energy, buying them, along with all of our other earthly priveleges, from the tyrannical overlords that keep the whole screwed up system going, When We Participate within...
No you repress yourselves and also make it necessary for repression to occur. "Radicalising" is just destructive negativity. Like having a punch up on the Titanic, rather than just enjoying the music.
People on the right were not brainwashed and scripted at universities.
The genius of this is that they have managed to convince us that we have done this and therefore it is our behaviour that needs to change, only our sacrifices that can avert disaster....while they soar above us in their private jets.
You are conflating two different groups with the word "they".
@@ivandafoe5451 Just curious, which two groups?
@@debravictoria7452 Yeah, I would like to know as well. 😅
@@free2beemee Well, hopefully we will get an answer. 😁
"They" are one and the same. The elites who fly in private jets to Davos and the WEF are pushing the climate AGENDA.
It's a subset of class struggle... don't be divided.
The extinction of rebellion.
This is the message that needs to get out more. It's not about Climate Change it is about the System
So true. The whole climate hoax is designed to bring about revolution, just like the plandemic, BLM and the transgender movement. The Club of Rome, which became the World Economic Forum, identified climate change as an excuse for their power grab back in the 1950s, long before it became fashionable. These are the people behind the climate alarmism and the lockdown/mask/vaccine authoritarianism, and they even have among their members Alicia Garza, one of the Marxist founders of Black Lives Matter, who was one of their Young Global Leaders in 2004, so it's reasonable to suspect that they encouraged the huge reaction to George Floyd's death.
_"The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practised in past centuries."_ - David Rockefeller
_"It will look like a great booming, buzzing confusion...but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."_ Richard N Gardner, US Ambassador, member of the Trilateral Commission founded by David Rockefeller.
_"There is no better time to implement radical changes than after a worldwide catastrophe."_
_"Another path to general crisis might be initiated by an unprecedented pandemic..."_
Stunning Short History - of Why the World has Gone Mad! czcams.com/video/5mK-FMY1374/video.html
Climate czcams.com/play/PLwCr9cqVvxlYE2g5qZtv5AlqCtnSE_uym.html
Climate change is a religion.
The Climate Change scam is how the system is enslaving us.
Everything these days is about control and profits. That is the "system".
If it is to be a one trick pony, the vegans, and climate warriors, need to take a back seat, and no, your faction will not be taking over. Get that through you’re iron deficient brains, and this pill will be a lot easier for the hoi-poloi to swallow. Get your own scratchboard, if you want to play with the kitty.
Chris and Roger. Two of my all time heroes.
Mad respect!
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So, where did this 97% figure come from?
From a study by a professor in Australia named John Cook at the University of Queensland,
And what this study purported to do was review the abstracts of 11,000 climate science articles. Abstracts?
Well ...No one's going to read 11,000 climate articles. Even a whole team of graduate students is not going to read through 11,000 science articles. So they read the abstracts.
The abstract is always that one paragraph summary at the head of any academic journal article.
Here's the abstract to the Cook papers first sentence.
"We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on anthropogenic global warming."
66%--two thirds of the papers express no opinion on human-caused global warming.
32.6% percent endorsed anthropogenic global warming. 0.7% percent rejected it entirely and 0.3% were uncertain.
Okay.
So that means a third of those papers had an opinion on human-caused global warming. So, the next sentence says this:
"Among abstracts expressing a position on human-caused global warming, 97.1% endorse the consensus positions
that humans are causing the warming."
Somehow this has become 97% of all scientists, when it's 97% of a third of scientists.
Or, you might put it this way.
66% of scientists publishing
in the field have expressed no firm opinion
on the matter. Or, Among all the scientists who agree with the consensus........are all the scientists who agree with the consensus.
That would be an adequate way of saying it.
Some of the articles turned out to be not really about
climate science at all. One article that was billed as a science article was about U.S. media coverage of climate change issues.
Strangely, in those 11,000 papers, there's not a single
one from Richard Lindzen of M.I.T. He's the most prominent member of the climate science community, who has been publishing on the subject since 1961. None of his papers were
included...he isnt saying what they want him to say...
And yet, this phrase ...97% of scientists agree. Or believe in, right? And this banner splattered all over CZcams and Facebook?
It's clear to me...that the climate establishment has become as intolerant as any department of gender studies on any college campus, and for much the same reason. Its BULLSHIT!
While you dont have to share that sentiment do so understanding that... the only difference between YOU and ME???
Im the one who cared to look.
In 1990 The Inion of Concerned Scientists published s pamphlet warning the world of global warming.
UNION OF CONCERNED SCIENTISTS
Yes. It functions as a kind of murder. It is part of the weird murderyness of Fascism, just a part, you are entirely correct. Crapitalism must fall completely and Fascism must be CLEANSED from the world. Social programs are good. Refuse to cut Social Security. Expand it for everyone.
Green UI
Which part of the video are you referring to, or are you referring to a separate discussion? It's interesting, statistics are very easily skewed and manipulated. Although Roger has done his homework, he's made clear he wants to connect on an emotional level, as that is when people will be mobilised into action against injustice. The scientific research is definitely important, but I don't need the figures to know that what I'm experiencing first hand is real. Last summer in England, a country known for wet and mild weather, there were wildfires, including just down the road from my house, and beyond causing people to lose their homes. And now in Spain, where I am now the temperatures have been nearing 30c/85f in April. I see that in Asia it's been around 45c / over 100 fahrenheit.
The height of cherry picking lol
So with the surveillance state (to include the pending Restrict Act and CBDCs), the militarized police and VERY political FBI, and virtually all civil disobedience labeled as terrorism and prosecuted accordingly - these guys are going to do what?
What are they going to do? Restore hope.
@@Clusterboy Are you writing a screenplay? Restore hope? How, exactly? That's some hopium indeed.
@@carycunningham9510 Despair is the alternative. I trust them. Evil always self destructs just not in a timely way. Be patient.
@@Clusterboy Society is in decline, almost by definition they don't have a track record of success. The wonderful thing about abstraction is nothing has to actually work. This is not a case of the guy with the best rhetoric, message, or term paper wins. Please see my original comment, someone is going to have to have a real answer for how to deal with entrenched thugs hiding behind all of that. They are going to have to have an answer for all of that. The police are starting to use armed robots. I don't think time is on the people's side.
Sounds like you've given up.
It needs only that the judiciary are held to account and publicly exposed. 100000 people focusing their resources on this would achieve much.
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Tell the FBI that they’re done and we’re going to overthrow the whole system…
The guy's an Internazi Neo World Order muppet, so might as well be paid directly by China and Comrade Xi.. Are these Extinction Rebellion FAKE GREENZ intentionally calling for the extinction of 90% of humanity or are they just useful idiots? If we 'just stopped oil' 90% would perish within a few weeks. Us non-fake Greens don't know if these neo-fake-green extremist activist groups are sponsored by Big Oil, Big Tech. etc. because they turn so many people away from Green causes with their ridiculous, ALARMIST extremism.
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The fact is, fossil fuels and the spread of Western tech. enabled The Rest to triple their population from around 2 billion 50 years ago to around 6 billion today, while The West would have a declining or static population if it wasn't for the constant mass invasion it suffers by Neo-colonial Globalist types.. Neoliberal Capitalism and liberalisation by Commie nations achieved this, for better or for worse (definitely for worse in my book, we could have nuked 'em back to the stone age from 1945 until Russia was allowed to develop nukes too.
Roger Hallam is fraud. Extinction Rebellion was created with a plan - with the intent to make money.
To mooch and rob dimes and cents from hapless anxious not-so-sure teenagers, kids and their parents.
They use diesel generators (spewing lots of CO2) to make noise about climate change.
Roger Hallam represents the vassals of Greenwash Capitalism. Just like Bill Mckibben, Greta Thundberg, Sunrise Movement, Leonardo Decaprio.
By donating money and following these messianic visions, we are still doomed. We are still predicated by nature and not by any man made system.
Or more realistically, it would achieve "nothing".
Humanity is so tribal divided by language
Addicted to technology
Religion of the rich and so many issues in between its hopeless
Be lucky to survive until the next ice age
It would also be immensely helpful if the IPCC process wasn't entirely corrupt. e.g. My family and community needs energy to survive and thrive...we don't need 'Cola' to achieve same. There is no discernible climate crisis and almost no serious expert in the field believes so. However, there is definitely an environmental crisis and that is apparent to all. The system that has been built around us is inevitably corrupt and serves those that yield power. They have built a cage around us and we have all been willing participants in our own demise.
I dearly love both these individuals: do I detect a glint of optimism in Chris' ordinarily stoic face as he hears what are clearly pragmatic ways forward from another somewhat awkward yet wonderful gentleman? 🙂
Chris knows that you can’t get “the cult of self” out on the streets. XR peaked pre-Covid and may have another day in the sun but they’ll never reach the critical mass Roger talks about: I wish they would but prolonged, sustained NVCD on mass………. He’ll of a social science nut to crack
The corporation and its structure and legal protection are the very problem we are dealing with here.
Fossil Fuel Industries sponsor all Fake Green orgs, including Extinction Rebellion, as they are pushing a Neo, Global Industrial Revolution that will do to Africa and South America what it did to The East - enabled them to triple their populations in just 50 years.. They know OIL IS VITAL and NOT GOING AWAY.
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Mass, fake-green forced sales scams in the West, more forced hyper-modernisation in S. America and Africa, with China now joining The US and Western nations in funding this coming second Restern population explosion - while Western native populations get hugely out-bred by foreigners.... This is The Agenda..
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Fake Green Muppets fuel The Agenda one way or another by pushing fake-green tech 'solutions', fake 'democracy' where owned uber-orgs run the show, and by turning The Majority away from Green movements in general, including non fake-green movements......
Roger Hallam is fraud. Extinction Rebellion was created with a plan - with the intent to make money.
To mooch and rob dimes and cents from hapless anxious not-so-sure teenagers, kids and their parents.
They use diesel generators (spewing lots of CO2) to make noise about climate change.
Roger Hallam represents the vassals of Greenwash Capitalism. Just like Bill Mckibben, Greta Thundberg, Sunrise Movement, Leonardo Decaprio.
By donating money and following these messianic visions, we are still doomed. We are still predicated by nature and not by any man made system.
Were you pro vax coercion? It's subsidies for Fake-Green industrialists, from we, the taxpayers that stinks of sleazy cronyism and mass robbery + mass forced sales scams... Bury the old ASAP, sell new crud to neo-peeps using hard-sell tactics and global governmental propaganda. We could have Western nations mostly growing all their own food in high rises, freeing up land for nature, farm animals and natives + their partner and kids.. Techno-organic high-rises, with as many bums-on-seats jobs working from home as possible.. This could have been done 20 years ago if Fake-Greens hadn't WASTED so much time. space, brains, resources and MONEY. I'd have subsidised that.
I would just like to add in the mix of things to take care of, the military industrial complex because it might lead us to Armageddon before the climate does.
likewise with the animal industrial complex
This is why citizen assemblies are key! We ordinary people can govern our own affairs we don't need career politicians on both sides of congress who enrich themselves by serving the elites.
If we refuse to participate in their corrupt elections and form our own assemblies to make our own decisions on where our tax money goes, education and a national health service free at the point of service could be easily affordable on half of what America spends on military expenditure.
"A lot of this green agenda is being pushed because someone somewhere is making a lot of money from it. Just like in COVID, when of course there was a great redistribution of wealth to the most richest people in the world and the biggest corporations. As well as power being taken away from the likes of you and I." ~Robert Oulds
This guy is a religious nut case. Ignorance is bliss..
Ironically, the people funding it are Fossil fuel corporation NGOs, because they know that the Green Agenda will require burning MORE fossil fuels, not LESS. Same way the banks are pushing it, because it will create MORE debt and debt based borrowing.
Climate change is a very profitable religion.
That's right these activists get rich from their green agenda !
Meanwhile the oil companies are losing out !
Yeah and no one is making money from fossil fuels, right? 😂
We need a lot more conversation like this
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@carycunningham9510 🙄 There's nothing wrong with civil disobedience in the face of government walking us into extinction, & pretending that is something the government would want you to talk about, plan or do is status quo nonsense.
...however we need more action than conversation.
@@ivandafoe5451 Agreed
It wasn’t a conversation or interview. No push back or challenges to the guest’s ideology, premise, or methods.
Question ? Why are they so deafeningly silent on the real reasoning behind "extreme climate events" haarp geoengineering with ill intent!@#
Haarp is in the what now?
This conspiracy theory is just another form of denial.
Because anyone who believes that is insane
An opinionated layman appears to be Ill~ informed!
@@anopinionatedlaymanappears9052 Let me guess, you also think those grids in the skies are completely normal vapour trails, right?
Back in 1992 John Ralston Saul wrote "Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West", wherein he points out how the elites have betrayed the populations that support (or tolerate) them. The elites pretend to make decisions based on reason (Voltaire's ideal), but insterad act in a self-serving manner. It was a good analysis, but no one seemed to pick up the challenge to propose some kind of remedy. In fact, one could argue that the elites are even more entrenched than before? It also seems that they have changed, from an intellectual aristocracy, into a brutal materialist kleptocratic oligarchy. I also think that we should not beome fixated on "one thing" such as climate change (simultaneoulsy and hysterically rejecting plausible solutions, such as nuclear power), but we need to seriously plan the future of humanity. I think Bjorn Lomborg's analysis needs serious consideration.
Uranium fueled nuclear power plants are NOT a plausible solution, because they never were a plausible solution to our energy problems.
Decentralized renewable energy sources that give us a degree of independence from our power grids can start on providing us supplemental power almost immediately, while we work on designing and building safer small thorium fueled reactors and other fusion technologies.
@@ivandafoe5451 says who? they have been the safest (in terms of deaths per power generated) than ANY other form of power generation! people get hysterical and conflate nuclear power generation with nuclear weapons and "cherry pick" factoids to argue (scream?) against any such alternative. All except France, which is doing better than Germany (too "gung ho" about green energy) in their energy management
@@ivandafoe5451 Decentralized is the part that will be difficult. Everything will be illegal that lets anyone have independence. Already, some states will not allow collecting rain water that falls on your roof or in your yard.
"There are huge non climate effects of carbon dioxide which are overwhelmingly favorable which are not taken into account. To me that's the main issue that the earth is actually growing greener. This has been actually measured from satellites the whole earth is growing greener as a result of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it's increasing agricultural yields, it's increasing the forests, it's increasing all kinds of growth in the biological world and that's more important and more certain than the effects on climate." ~Freeman Dyson, Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey.
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Interestingly, Dyson and Hallam share similar facial features. I'm going to read more from this Dyson fellow. Thanks for the quote.
The guy's an Internazi Neo World Order muppet, so might as well be paid directly by China and Comrade Xi.. Are these Extinction Rebellion FAKE GREENZ intentionally calling for the extinction of 90% of humanity or are they just useful idiots? If we 'just stopped oil' 90% would perish within a few weeks. Us non-fake Greens don't know if these neo-fake-green extremist activist groups are sponsored by Big Oil, Big Tech. etc. because they turn so many people away from Green causes with their ridiculous, ALARMIST extremism.
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The fact is, fossil fuels and the spread of Western tech. enabled The Rest to triple their population from around 2 billion 50 years ago to around 6 billion today, while The West would have a declining or static population if it wasn't for the constant mass invasion it suffers by Neo-colonial Globalist types.. Neoliberal Capitalism and liberalisation by Commie nations achieved this, for better or for worse.
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If the guy was peacefully promoting Urban Farms instead of demonising plant food, CO2, a mild greenhouse gas vital for life on Earth that's existed at much higher concentrations during much colder ages, I'd have some respect. Fake Greens promote the largest footprint, least efficient, most expensive, most physically wasteful energy solutions for The West, while The Rest rightly don't give a fuck. China spends a fortune sticking plastic leaves on dead trees, putting acres and acres of camouflage netting down and spray painting mountainsides FAKE GREEN... Extinction Rebellion need to EFF OFF TO CHINA.
Pity about the biological collapse
Dyson is not a climatologist. If he wants to be taken seriously he should write a scientific paper so it can be peer reviewed. Otherwise it's just an opinion from a non-expert.
About time you had this man on. Everything he says…….!
He's been on before!
@@thisperfectworld thanks, I guess I’d assumed more than back catalogued.
it's scary so many believe "the science" over common sense
Everything he says is BS.
@@allblooz well I’d say he’s right when he says the only to get change is with critical mass on the streets participating in prolonged NVCD: do you wanna disagree with that? It is kinda his specialty.
The idea that it is the system model that is the problem has been discussed by the likes of Peter Joseph, Jacque Fresco, Stafford Beer, Nate Hagen's and many more, the fact is that the out-systems change is essential, not in systems change. Which is clearly what Extinction Rebellion has finally come to.
Roger Hallam knows about the Aerosol Masking Effect and does not talk about it. The motto of ER was Tell the Truth. Well, Roger, tell the whole truth.
Yes 30 years down the line though I go back further in memory to Jimmy Carter educating us, wearing a coat in the White House subjecting himself to ridicule.
Just like Gavin Newsome in California, who continues to fly his private jet or go to fancy restaurants during covid shut down, I doubt Jimmy and Roslyn continued to shiver in the White House once the cameras were turned off. Remember, it's always "Rules for Thee, but Not for Me". The elite somehow always manage to go to their expensive parties while preaching that the rest of us should cut back. Al Gore preaches that the oceans are on the rise due to OUR use of fossil fuels, but he owns a beach front mansion in Malibu; that's just ONE of THREE mansions he owns. Meanwhile inflation destroys our savings and we are all forced to cut back, but the elite don't care if gas goes to 5, 8, or 12 dollars per gallon, they can afford it.
They lay down and block traffic in London and infuriate people just trying to get to work or get home.
In blocking traffic they also block ambulances and people have died because of it, so there's that.
So what?
You’ve missed the point.
@@ruidadgmailcanada8508 please explain then.
So far you've said "people died, so what? You just don't get it."
@@ruidadgmailcanada8508 exstinky rebellion isnt even anti war! What pollutes and destroys the world more than war? It seems that they're in the pocket of certain powerful individuals. Literally nothing produces more pollution than war, and the united states has 800 military bases around the world.
I could find only ONE documented protest (from back in 2021) of them protesting war, but here's the catch: they were just protesting fossil fuels being a reason for war! Not war itself! Their great idea is that if we had a greener energy chain, there'd be less reason for war. What a joke. War itself is the biggest pollutant, and they dont oppose it.
Ask them how electric vehicles and windmills rely on fossil fuels that are mined by CHILD SLAVES in Nigeria helps the planet in any way.
They are a classist movement that want to torture the working class and elevate massive corporations, including weapons manufacturers.
@@scottcantdance804 nobody has died.. emergency services are let through without any obstruction.. what IS killing people in the UK is the 9+ hours wait for an ambulance because of cuts
way more people are gonna die if systematic changes are not made urgently. like billions of humans. plus countless individual animals of other species, entire species even, which will cause more human deaths as well
I'm 76 years old and I know that I will never experience the worst of this. Apparently many are thinking that climate devastation will not affect them. Billionaires have secured properties in New Zealand believing that they will remain safe there. But an aching planet will not forgive what neoliberal thinking and denial of reality has done.
Again, i must apologize for missing this last Friday at noon, central standard tim for myself. Today is April 27, 2023.
With the deepest appreciation and respect to hear from Chris Hedges and Roger Hallom for this discussion of great importance of what is happening in our world.
A discussion of sound ideas and not that of scintillating ignorance.
With the glaciers melting and waters raising, fires raging, heat and weather conditions, among doughts affecting all life on earth, we are at a standstill because of wars for profits. No life can do without water.
For many years, I have always felt the last great fight will be over clean water globally. As we have learned, that lead is in not just Flint, Michigan but all over our country.
May we all work together globally for new ideas. 🙏 ❤
This talk is very important and I believe a lot of people will miss it because of the title. Optimizing the title for the youtube algorithm can reach more people. For example, Russel Brand's/Veritasium's team change the title often multiple times per video (which has massive effects on the videos reach). Veritasium himself has made a video on this titled "Clickbait is Unreasonably Effective". He has several other videos on the youtube algorithm that are also worth watching.
If you think "mask off" moments are important . . . I guess. Leftists, & crypto-socialists admitting "man-made global warming" "climate change" & tiny increases in the atmospheric levels of a trace gas {CO2}, that with the "catastrophic" levels this charlatan has been shrieking about for years now, makes up roughly 0.04% of just 1%, {aka: 0.04% OF JUST ONE PERCENT, aka 4 parts in every 10,000 parts of the earth's atmosphere consists of CO2, only a fraction of which is man-made, the rest of that cumulative total is 100% organically produced, 100% natural Carbon Dioxide, or PLANT FOOD, & the building block of all life on this planet. We, & all of our animal friends, & virtually every plant species that has ever existed, are simply CARBON-BASED life forms . . . end of story. Below 200 ppm {parts per million} CO2 in the atmosphere all plant species will surely perish, along with all the animal species . . . the mammals, the reptiles, the fish, the birds, all the amphibians, & invertibrates, all the way down to the algea, & the one-celled organizisms as well . . . & there is no scientific controversy about the COMPLETE EXTINCTION EVENT that would atomatically take place if arm³ along in the charade, coming clean with the public about their real goals, & motivations. It was always about back-dooring socialism, & usprping political power from populations who aren't interested in creating more mountains of dead bodies see USSR, Mao's China, North Korea, the man-made famine, & economic collapse of Venezuela, which was the richest nation in all of Latin America until Hugo Chavez, & Mad Dog Maduro took over, now it's a socialist hell hole with millions of refugees all over the western hemisphere, who fled for
their lives. This charlatan can move to Venezuela & have his citizens committees, & his 25 pounds of involuntary weight loss, just like the average Venezuelan suffered under socialist policies. Bon Appétit !!
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Interesting how they don't seem to want to stop private jets ?
UK is an incredibly oppressive state, there were so many political prisoners, Hallam was definitely one of them, Assange is another. XR, Insulate Britain and Just Stop Oil are amazing organisations with incredibly brave people who have suffered badly for their activism.
After all the talk, The problem is excess greed. Human cannibals.
Unfortunately the poor are so addictive to status buy vehicles they can't afford in the current economic system
Trucks with a 400 plus monthly payment
Homes that are way to big perhaps to reflect on their size
Vacations that are not necessary
The need to keep up with the jones without realizing that certain individuals pinch the penny use coupons that look poor
The problem is excess number of human beings on this planet!
@@niqjaw5009 wrong
so the problem is human nature? good luck solving this; and who defines what is excess?
@@thegratefulsteve Wrong and Right
More correctly certain nations
Small nations like El Salvador or Hati have a population a resources issue
Solution should be mitigation
Nigeria Egypt Indonesia and Ethiopia have current and future population issues
Now Europe especially Russia former Yugoslavia have a mitigation and depopulation issue
If we continue with the economic system currently called neoliberalism or privatization all services to assist individuals education housing health care and retirement this includes energy water will be profit driven
Good news is Nigeria birth rate is lower
Unfortunately nations export more cash crops to pay down debts instead of growing food for local population include gmo food which is seedless forces farmers to take out loans to buy the next year's harvest
Thanks for this.
On listening twice to this interview, I am more suspicious than before probably due to eroding benefit of doubt .
Choosing "The Climate" (so scientism, not science) + words such as, emergency, crises, catastrophe, extinction, etc. are merely tools of his game.
Yes, he uses inflammatory words to spark emotion rather than facts and evidence to spark reason. One is vaporous and pointless the other is tangible and bears gravitas. He's not a man of logic, or at least, he doesn't want his minions using logic, because that would be counter to what his overlords demand. He's a vapid idiot.
In other words, most environmentalists are discussing improving fire safety protocols while the building is burning down.
no they're ranting a bunch of chicken little bullsh!t that the world is ending , when it really isn't . big oil are scumbags but so are these climate idiots
In plain words...no they aren't. It's those who acknowledge the problem but don't want to do anything to stop it.
I wish we would stop calling them "elites". Has a much too positive sheen on the word.
Parasites?
I prefer to call them pirates
They don’t seem to like it when we call them Billionaires.
Mass murderers. Domestic terrorists. Monsters may be too vague...
@@johntravena119 "Comedians"
You are right about the risk but we wont save anything. They dont understand some things are precious on their own account so they will always think they can trade against their profits instead of not destroying them
As more of society continues to decline, recruiting will become easier for campaigns against the villain's ruling us.
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No
There won't be any campaigns, because there won't be any elections...the villains will be ruling us and that will be it.
There won't be any rebellions either, because most of us will be dead or fighting among ourselves to the death over the last scraps of our lost civilization.
Waiting for the decline to get even worse is not our best option.
Sabotage is not merely 'civil disobidience'.
What has happened to the depreciation of durable consumer goods since Sputnik. How is planned obsolescence a factor in this. Notice that capitalist economists do not suggest mandatory accounting in the schools.
How many automobiles have American consumers trashed since Sputnik? What happened to the depreciation?
Why haven't academics noticed this?
We make stuff that quickly becomes junk and then we have to make more stuff to replace the old junk but the new stuff quickly becomes more junk and then we have to...keep the wasteful energy and resource cycle going on and on decade after decade...that's how.
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So how do all of the brilliant academics fail to notice the genius economists saying nothing about all of that depreciation disappearing into space?
It is you awakening, capitalist invented this quick turnover for more profit ages ago and socialist economists told you so. Just like they do not keep stocks and rely on instant deliveries; so now we have logistics problems leading to shortages. They have monopolies who set any price at our expense. Prices increase; solution is unemployment…….wake up it is not the elites it is capitalism, that’s the way it works
Climate is not the issue at all. Everything is indeed completely f.....
We need to coexist and help one another no matter where we are or come from because that will make everyone happy except the few insane psychotic maniacs that has everything.
Roger is making common sense. Revolutionary change comes out of repression which people will fight to overturn.
Sometimes watching nature programs, I'll see some hapless animal struggling in the jaws of a predator while its kin stand idly by.
Why is it so often they will not come to the aid of their stricken companion. It would seem like such action would benefit the whole herd, yet nothing is done.
We think we are different because of our ability to reason, but really we are the same. Its just the timescale that's different.
Only since social engineering took hold.
This does not naturally happen in all cases, fighting back together is often what happens with many animal species .
Some notions of an innate fatalism need not guide us to such inaction when our best interests are at stake.
Granted... we are being conditioned and convinced to accept far to little action on our behalf from those we have put in power as our representatives.
Then don’t anthropomorphise animals in your mind….
@@mrbaker7443 I don't see any anthropomorphizing in my comment.
If you understood the comment you would see I'm saying we are more like animals that don't comprehend better strategies for survival.
Generally, i have the same view and the base of thinking about the deceptive politication, capitalization, manipulation etc on climate issues and the any legislation efforts to realizing all of those system by the some NGOs, regime of govts, and capital elites, globally.
But firstly, i have to mentione that in my opinion is that the carbon leap on climate crisis are mainly caused by (1). The massive industrialization and fabrications, especially on the production of mass individual comsumers products and services.
(2). The point no.1 is very well supported by the hard and bloody efforts in spreading of the neoliberalism system that ignited in much more scale for the capital elits to wage more consumer products innovations and its economic investment.
(3). Those two points surely requires a lot of energy and other natural resources usage that results in much higher and faster carbon leap.
(4). Meanwhile, those massive industrialization dan fabrication era is under the hand of capital elites that drives and fund politician and regime of the govts to give those elites the elitic favourable regulations.
So, my opinion concludes that we - whether as the proletar class, working class, excecutives, elites, or whatever you name it - have to amid and willing to sacrifice for waging the reducing of industrialization and fabrication, mainly and especialy on mass individual consumers products of industries while carry out the research -at least in the level of theorities-on finding another green and renewable energy sources to offer that doesn't never offered by the rulling elites of globalist. People have to know and understand what xcactly the fundamental main and core subjects that we're gonna hit and attact in that resistance movement.
Bcoz we have to have some concrete alternative of solutions to offer to the people and to compete the elits monopolistic ideas and regulations, that is ours is more humane, logic and sane culturally..to gain the massive people approval to assembly that (you named it) "parallel civil resistance organization".
❤ blessings and light to all
It's only recently I've seen a couple of interviews with Roger Hallam and I've really been surprised and amazed at what an intelligent guy he is and seemingly a great strategist. I've found Listening to him inspirational and actually gives me some hope.
He's just shit at farming so wants to blame everyone else for his failiure.
The mission statement is sound, good ideas for eliminating corruption of elections. He is right, repeating the same behaviour, and expecting different outcomes, hasn’t worked.
Yes, I went to one of his first X Rebellion meets and when he suggested we should be prepared to be arrested or comparing the climate issue to watching your mother being raised on a table! , I thought then and still do that it began to feel like a cult..........now that I have have realised that co2 makes up 0.04% of our atmosphere, which is minuscule compared to what has gone before. I will not be part of another power grab for the human soul.
Mr. Hedges (I almost typed Hitchens, sad as ... as near miss faux paux go), I was not aware that Mr. Hallum's actions had been judged to be "appropriate responses". Miraculous result from the courts. Of no use to us, but for whatever reason, it put a smile on my face. Thx.
I agree with everything he has said so far in the first 8 minutes, except that climate change is a problem... otherwise he is spot on about the psychopathic rich.
It's never to early to preserve the planet, make right our wrongs, and uphold our responsibility of stewardship to sustaining life on this planet.
Extremely important interview
not the same as being interviewed by Aaron from Novara, huh Roger?
Roger Hallam believes in the extinction of humanity if thats what it takes to save the planet...he stated it in an interview many years ago....changing his mind as an old man doesnt make him any less a 'terrorist' in my eyes....what were his words? "If thats what it takes" I think they were🤨
An insightful, flawed, and tangled discussion. There is a problem but obtuse, circular and cluttered strategies are surely ineffective. A good thing persists, however, since some of what Hallam advocates will arrive on its own.
There is no theory, your protest time could have been spent on making the energy technology that is the solution, Roger. A mature response to actually care about humanity, regardless of your wealth, race or sex. Always a hedge against what bet, the force of nature? Real News.
my guess is rich people are busy renovating their bunkers for the inevitable resource wars and nuclear wars.
The „human „ made climate change towards friendship and peace would allow humanity to …
solve the problems created by divide and conquer, and the collective square stupidity resulting from it.
The „human „ body is the best example, how collective intelligence of cooperating cells works out, if……a human soul has developed inside the body
The rich would rather face total annhiliation than cede one bit of their largesse.
Ultimately, we will solve this problem when each human being on the planet decides that they are willing to sacrifice their privileged and convenient lifestyle in order to save our biosphere from destruction.
Thanks Chris and Roger for the informative exchange. I really like this idea from Roger Hallam:
“We are going to set up our own citizens assembly as a permanent, parallel institution selected by sortition by randomly selecting citizens from the population. The demands of that assembly will become the program for a civil resistance organization.”
This is a great way to challenge corrupt and often criminal governments. I think it's absolutely a great idea.
And as always has been, that civil resistance organization gains power, becomes a govermental body, and gets corrupted. Rinse and repeat. ;p
yeah like the Greeks , but random ? That's picking from a box of chocolates .
Wouldn't some sort of public acclamation help bring the cream to the top ?
Or else the only other way to make certain every one has a say in everything : ONLINE ! Why not ? Everyone votes on every law - not just once every 1 to 4 years for ONE person who then makes the decisions . Like reading the paper every morning - over coffee you go down a list of the day's legislation and vote .
Maybe with a little Ai added everyone could make SUGGESTIONS and the Ai could tally it all into a few categories .
Yeah but as you said the problem is the corrupt and criminal governments. The FBI has entered the chat.
Well , when you put it that way . . . . .
fusion of the democratic critique, social critique, ecological critique ... should we add a technological critique ... for example, why do new technologies, on average, increase instead of decrease energy consumption
“Unfortunately the entire economy today thrives on the destruction of nature”, Achim Steiner, UN Development Programme, Davos 2019
& who allows that??
Nonsense. Quoting a UN globalist at Davos for gods sake? Both ruling class institutions or as George Orwell called them "The new aristocracy" made up mostly of: "bureaucrats, scientists, technicians, trade-union organisers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists, and professional politicians." All rewarded handsomely for going along with the game observed by H.L. Mencken "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary." It's time for people to wake up.
When XR and other numpties protest and get arrested, a good choice instead of prison would be a visit to their homes and all gas/electric turned off and any real cars taken away and destroyed.
Nouriel ruobini is a legit ecnomist and he called out these slow moving crisis too.
Going about the wrong way. It's not right to target the working class. In the UK that's what they are doing
❤ very well said Roger!!
I like that he mentioned sortition
Today, reputable scientists will discuss climate change and solutions for humanity at the International Online Forum. April 22, 2023 Global Crisis. There is a Way Out. Streaming on CZcams
Hope they make mention of AI helping out
Fantastic interview Chris. Saw Nevara one also excellent
Question: How much CO2 is in the atmosphere?
Answer: .04%
At .02% there will be mass plant die-off. Plants depend on C02, we depend on plants. 🤔🤨
Climate change is a very profitable religion. Don’t be a denier.
0.04% poison in your body will still kill you. And it has risen by 33% in the past century. Using a low number does not mean it is harmless.
@@mikeaugust Don' forget , they shorten it to 'carbon' . We are carbon .
@@mikeaugust In short...what does this remark have to say about Mike August's commentary? He hasn't a clue what he is talking about.
I have completely lost respect of Chris Hedges for not challenging Roger on the outrageous climate scenarios. I used to think highly of Chris, now I question every assessment of a situations he has ever made.
Damaging the people's property is NOT an appropriate response to annoyance with the government
No one is "annoyed" by the systematic slaughter of millions. Watch again; you clearly missed the point.
I like how he described a cycle of revolution that led us to where we are now and then says let's do it again.
If the principal means to derisk Civilization is to choose techniques and associated technology to cover probable catastrophic failures in the system of managing and maintaining a stable society, then eliminating the menace created by those who exploit defensive actions we're obliged to make provision for is top of the lists of things to educate people about.
We are all in the complaining and educating phase but if we are not implementing any solutions or any live-working models to show people there is an alternative to consumerist capitalism, it will do no good!
The system isn't going to change and the free market runs on fossil fuels. Most people are not going to change because they are too comfortable with the system - sure they know that we are on a path to extinction but they are not going to do the necessary cutbacks and forgo their luxuries. And sure, they know they are wage slaves and being screwed but capitalism makes their enslavement bearable so they wont revolt en masse
Here are some talking points I want to discuss:
Food:
fossil fuels are the only way we can feed 8 billion people with the current system we have in place. Even if we decentralized everything and say we did vertical farming in every city and village, you are going to need to use some fossils fuels for fertilizer and initial establishment. Billions of people are so conditioned to going to the grocery store, it is hard for them to conceive of going to a vertical farm to get their food.
Transportation & Logistics:
The System and billions of people are conditioned to accept market capitalism - one that depends on wasteful international trade and transportation to ship products around the world in order to satisfy market capitalism. How do we even begin to unwind that? Entrenched power has too much power and control to let that go! How do we un-brainwash billions of people out of market capitalism conditioning? People, with their Netflix and CZcams, are complacent and lazy to become their own producers if we were to decentralize everything and start producing locally again - they are so conditioned to being wage slaves they don't want that responsibility.
Secondly, going all electric isn't the solution either. If you do the math, it takes as much energy to mine, refine and ship rare earth materials to build electric vehicles as it does to burn fossil fuels in combustion engines, so there is no real net carbon offset.
Public transportation is a solution but that takes massive capital and is a public utility project - so that goes to local cities and states, whose vested interests are allied with the fossil fuel industry. How do we even force them to build public transportation? And then once again, you are fighting conditioning of people who see mass transit as for 'the poor."
Social Conditioning to Market Economics
How do you undo decades of market economic social conditioning? People are so fearful of losing what little they have even though capitalism can take it away in a heartbeat! How do you convince people that after 3, 4 or 5 decades of work, who might own a home and have a nice life, to cut back on their way of living because they feel they've earned it after so much time and effort? (rightfully so - and I am talking about the rank and file workers of the 99% class, not the 1%) I see Extinction Rebellion protests blocking transit and most people hate them for it because its an inconvenience for them - they are just trying to get to work so they can survive. How do you win over that person who does not understand the complexity of the situation they are in?
Your points are valid but you are wrong about continuing to rely on fossil fuels for many obvious reasons.
We must convert our economy away from fossil fuel usage into renewable energy as fast as possible. We urgently have to lessen our dependence on highly refined, imported fossil fuels and on our centralized power grids by producing our own electricity, using our homes and buildings as platforms for wind, solar, geothermal and heat pump technology.
Dependency on centralized power sources means a dependency on centralized societal power that can and will control our lives by any means possible. If Russia can cut off the gas to Europe then anyone can do it to anyone else anywhere.
The indifference, apathy and despair of the public has indeed been manufactured by and for the benefit of a corporate elite that needs the rest of us less and less.
With so many technical advances available, they now consider our lives to be of little or no use to them and are acting accordingly.
If we consider our lives of use to US...then we had better start doing something together to save ourselves...the sooner the better.
Individualism and survivalism are no more than slow suicide...we have to work together before it's too late.
For all that you need good ol' revolution, dah. Especially to start building and modernizing public transport. Car dealership and oil moguls definitely won't give up on world domination without a fight.
Seams to be that democracy is a problem and is there for so long that created so much foolishness' with its own power only able to go the same direction .Democratic governments are not able due to the system do anything change truly beneficial to humanity .We need a Nobel kings guided by truly enlightened human beings to rule for the benefit of All. That should start in very local communities where everything is very obvious being supported by honesty and rely on respectful economy and work
What's the name of the opening track? It's pretty clean
I didn't know either, but when I saw your question I googled the words *chris hedges what about poor me i've been terrorized* (I listened and identified those lyrics first) and it showed up :-)
Willie King and The Liberators - Terrorized
Carbon monoxide is the bad one
Carbon dioxide is the good one
It's not that difficult to understand
And yet, you don’t
And 'carbon ' is neither .
The arctic permafrost has been massively thawing.
And that says all that needs to be said.
Why is that all that needs to be said?
"Eco activist group Extinction Rebellion have signalled a change in tack by pledging to minimus disruption to the general public in their future demonstrations. It comes after the group promised to not disrupt the London Marathon, and said it will work with organisers to ensure nobody else does so."
You mean MI5 agents will behave during marathon as during marathon cars are banned from coming to London!
Profit above all else is the new religion. Everyone is aware of this. Some ignore. Some play along..all think they have no way to change it...i feel part of this. Crazy. Shameful..idiotic. cruel......add your own.
..why. why..why
....makes me cry.
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RFK, Jr. is the only US candidate for President in 2024 who espouses the 3 critiques; Democratic, Social & Environmental. The US has to lead the collective West toward this paradigm.
There is no advocate for the working class in government.
The way that the environmental movement has evolved, it's not only working class, it's anti human
I would cal them “Climate Cultists”
We are going to need a massive deprograming off a world wide religion
Yep they are cults .
Says a member of the suicide cult.
The repercussions of bringing hundreds of millions of people out of extreme poverty is the source of the rapid increases in CO2 emmissions over the last 30 years. These two guys profess to care about people. Inhibiting the building of coal fired power in Africa (many projects have been cancelled in the last 3 years) is keeping those people in extreme poverty. The most verifiable effect of increasing CO2 on our planet is the drastic increase in plant growth. This is a good thing. Keeping people in poverty is evil.
Very useful interview for a conservative or libertarian. It begins to dawn on me what this younger generations movement is up to. And I gladly condone it.
Where are the interviews with these people? Are they, as has been reported, granddaughter of Getty is paying them to do these acts.
Do these people have proof? What is their cred? Or are they passionate young people driven by fear?
What will crucially influence the effectiveness of civil disobedience etc is tolerance by the general public. So far it's - rather passively - onside; but should the disruption becomes more widespread, as it must to be effective, public support will wane. This is the moment the government will pounce, believing it now has popular support to do so. At that point, things could get really ugly, in terms of repressive response. On the other hand - no plausible alternative way forward is on offer.
Carbon dioxide is plant food
Water vapor is the most prevalent greenhouse gas
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Every living thing wants us outa here. I saw a message on a FSTV and it asked, what needs us? Answer- only us
Humans gotta go.
Ah self loathing. Why is that always at the heart? Turns the movement into a death cult from another direction.
@@zanniethompson it’s not the self I’m loathing
Weird he didn’t bring up ionospheric heaters or carbon black dust, or any of the other tools they use to alter climate.
Everything he talks about are the same actions which many people have recently been jailed and tried upon.
It was deeply rooted within the Human 'Primal unevolved instincts .'That dominated the current out of control Sixth mass Earth extinction event ...
Meanwhile the alien technology that would enable free energy to the world is kept secret
28:20 so you mean like soviets and labor unions, or I don’t know like a van guard party. Arent you just reinventing ‘archaic’ Leninism? Also ‘Stalinism’ isnt a thing it’s a scar word.
Yeah all I'm hearing is dual power, modern democratic centralism, mass movement of common people, rejection of plutocracy. Obligatory Stalin was a one man iron fist who ate all the grain or something...
Yes he's basically just saying workers councils. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but socialists have already been doing this for decades the world over with varying degrees of success. Yet he's acting like he reinvented the wheel and totally ignores the entire eco-socialist movement.
I hate Extinction Rebellion but that man shouldn’t have been jailed for 4 months just because of something he said.
Climate action begins with class consciousness
Thank you for being honest about what is really driving it
WE need Ian Bone to take leade3rship again.....
Hilarious how Dodger compares his aims to those of the suffragettes and Mao within minutes of each other 😄
They were both successful revolutionary movements. Of course the Mao regime is abhorrent but in terms of dislodging the power structure at the time in order to take power it was successful.
Dear Mr. Hedges, you keep calling these people the ruling elites, which suggests you are putting them on a pedestal or revering them for their standing in life. How you should be referring to them is " the ruling elitists," which suggests that because of their money and power, they think they are better than all of us.
First question Hedges asks reveals a high level of ignorance on the reality of our situation. And climate is but one Earth boundary overshot by humans. Biodiversity loss being number two going by several sources.
Open your eyes, right? Just look around, your average jndustrialized human is consuming way beyond a sustainable pace. We are unaliving the biosphere with gusto using the worst of our bad habits. A minority give a shit. Makes me sad, wish it weren't so but it is definitely NOT solely climate change. If its a choice between oil and gas and destroying massive amounts of habitat for solar panels and wind power to try to maintain our current wasteful lifestyles, I'll take the oil and gas devil I know.
Indeed...humanity's overshoot IS the basis problem...however "climate" issues are the urgent existential symptoms that we must presently deal with or we are doomed.
Find more appropriate targets than the messengers for your complaints about ignorance...the ones who are in positions to actually do something about it.
His problem is that if he achieves the democratic arm of his vision, that might sink the climate scare arm of his vision
I'm not worried about the approx. 0.043% atmospheric CO2 heating up the earth. If anything keeps me up at night is the earths declining magnetic field strength. It's weakening in perfect lockstep with the rising CO2 level. The earths magnetic field protects life from harmful solar and cosmic radiation, and the more of it that can get through to ground level, the more the land and oceans release CO2. It's like being in a microwave oven and the power slowly being turned up, and there is absolutely nothing humanity can do to stop it. Sooner or later while our protective magnetic shield is down, we get hit by either a Carrington or Miyaki Event, a direct hit by an large X class solar flare, and the global electrical grid will go down for a decade. We are so dependent on that electrical grid, 90% of humanity could die in a month if it all failed. The rising CO2 level is really just a symptom of the changes, over the 40 year period satellites and weather balloons have tracked the CO2 rise they've also tracked a 1% decrease in upper troposphere humidity, that in and of itself can cause 16 times more cooling effect than the CO2 rise in the same time frame.
CO2 levels have been rising by 33% There's now 33% more CO2 in the atmosphere than there was before the industrial revolution. Using 0.043% is a distraction tactic used by deniers, trace gasses can have huge impacts. A few grams of poison can kill a man that weighs 100kg. Percentage wise it is nothing, he'll still die. Also you don't have to worry about the magnetic field, it won't go down, that's just another conspiracy theory, no scientist actually thinks it will be gone, it just goes through cycles.
Yes yes yes greed greed greed reduce over consumption