Worst wet tyre ever? Why to avoid Toyo T1Rs | Snetterton track day | BTB Ep 10
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- čas přidán 17. 11. 2018
- How bad are Toyo T1R tyres in the wet? We take our cheap Clio 172 Cup to Snetterton race track and find out the hard way!
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Always accelerate thru corners in front wheel drive cars. Especially in the wet. If you come off the gas or brake half way thru a corner you lose the weight on the back end and you slide. I learnt this the hard way at cadwell. :-(
Guy in the red jumper has weight distribution all backwards. When you are on the power the weight goes to the back. He seems to think if you go on the power weight goes to the front? How does that even make sense to him. Going on the power in a corner in a front wheel drive will cause you to lose grip at the front. Not the other way around.
Loving the vids, building a 172 myself to have a laugh in. Ive been recommended the ns2r but the reviews seem to be similar in the wet but awesome in the dry. I'm considering dropping down to 15's and trying the ad08r just to keep costs down as its supposed to be budget fun.
I know this isn’t a recent video but I’ve just been watching through this series and love it! Just a small tip since you mentioned in other comments you’re learning to drive on track. The ‘locking’ you experienced was because of changing down a gear without rev matching. I won’t explain it in a comment but it’s a good technique to learn to stop that happening! Also, as a Peugeot 106 owner, I can say I’ve experienced the life of lift off oversteer many a time, seems like you’re learning to deal with it well though! Good job guys keep up the great work. (Very tempted by one of these, that noise is insane)
Dan H glad you like the vids! More coming this year with the Clio! The locking up was from the tyres under braking as the car has no abs, so locks when the grip is minimal! Rev matching down shifts is next on the list to learn on track, can do it on the road when there is less going on but on track it’s harder to do when thinking about getting everything else!
Guys That Drive Ah fair enough! Didn’t realise they didn’t come with ABS, You learn something new every day!
Just the 172 Cup, no abs or traction control, it’s a little beast!
Good to see the offroading credentials of the Clio being put to the test.
mclouj you know it!
It's advertised as a summer tyre, what did you expect to happen.
Jon m it still rains in UK summer!
@@GuysThatDrive summer in the uk isn't really a real summer. A summer tire is for much higher temperatures, you'll never make good use of a proper summer tire in the uk!
Nice vid guys. My local track as well. I’ve found the t1r a pretty good wet tyre for the price. (I’ve also used full wets so comparing to them).
Wayne Yallop on the same day we got taken out for a few laps in another 172 cup on Avon ZV7s with a good wet grip rating. the differences was unbelievable, the grip in the corners was so much better than ours on the T1Rs. Was a joke how much faster he could take corners knowing the grip was there
@@GuysThatDrive driver skill is allot to do with it too
Will & Simon from inbetweeners haha love the video
I need more of this series
liam clarke more vids coming!
this is so bad for Toyo T1R.
Toyo T1R is very good on wet ,
i have them on my BMW E46 320 Ci , driving every day on Ireland wet roads.
and i like to push my car when road are clear from slow drivers.
Toyo T1R is good tyre.
There is literally 16 minutes of VIDEO evidence above this comment that theyre awful. I dont think you can contest that with a badly written comment.
@@Bombastic_Spastic 16 minutes of bad FWD driving proves nothing, in the dry if I try and brake round a corner the back is going to slide!!
@@SKOMPAS Tyres are going to be good or bad regardless of driving style. You cant make tyres this bad purely through "bad driving"
@@Bombastic_Spastic but if your spinning out in corners in a front wheel drive car because youre coming off the throttle it's not just the tyres
Thats a handling characteristic of some cars yes, clios, 106, saxos sure theyre light on the back end regardless of tyres but EP3s, Celicas, corollas arent and theyre fwd. Thats down to the weight over the axles.
I have a 172 track day car and I have prices r888r for dry , pair of Rainsport 3's for front when wet and R1R's for intermediate, 8 tyres all in all and cover every eventuality
ffs i have work tomz boys just watch from ep 1 to ep 10 need sleep keep it up bois im so interested i wanna do it !! this helps me see that i cant have it over night and it comes in time ! so good ! im buying a car ! ! ! !
Mac Evans good effort! You missed episode 11, how much it’s gonna cost you! Let us know what car you go for
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I bought a set of OEM wheels on Civic 9th gen, they came with these tires, brand new, 225/45R17. What a POS tire : poor steer-in respons, easily pushed to max of grip and they cup like crazy within 15000km and am left with a noisy ride. Car was 4 wheel aligned after installing the new set of wheels.
Getting Michelin Pilot Sport next time, twice the money four times the joy, if not eight. PS all season V shaped profile Michelin is also POS.
I had the Michelin PS4 on my Clio 197 with OEM wheels and they rocked!
Should have got Toyo R1R - Drove today at brands wth r1r and they are brilliant in the wet
Thinking about getting them for my daily, how long did they last you aprox?
Anglesey circuit is one to try! And ad08r’s are a good all rounder
its on the list for next year!
its not the tyre, When I used to race karts you took very different lines in the wet. the reason is due to the fact that the racing line is full of rubber and it gets very slippery when wet. The wet lines tend to brake a full Kart off line into some corners and you tend to run wide and cross the racing line where it is coming to meet the apex. The lack of aggression on turn in is not helping either. you use the lift off over steer and balance it out on the throttle 12:32 in this video displays what should be practiced to get faster in the wet.
Toyo T1r is a terrible tyre when you compare it to Uniroyal rainsport 3.
Toyo has very little wet grip.
Dangerous if anything!
yes because t1r is not made for rain .. it has few cuts for regulations and rainsport 3 are all about rain
@@maticsorn2784 Rainsport 3 is a road tyre and only good when it is pissing down
Definitely get a spoiler
Thanks for the heart
the T1r`s transformed the handling of my last (nissan) but did nothing for my current (Honda) find the right car & these are are terrific tyres, shoulder wear is the only downside I could find, they had terrible shoulder wear, fantastic grip wet & dry, but terrible shoulder wear, the rest of the tyres had loads of life left in `em, I tried over inflating to use more of the centre tyre tread, it didn`t work, I run Michelins, they work fine-so far!
I don’t know but I suspect from other Toyos I’ve used that the shoulder wear problem will be down to weak sidewalls (esp compared to Pilot Sports). The tyre therefore rolls over more under hard cornering.
My 1980 Golf GTI sticks very well with those same tyres in all, nay most
conditions.
For anyone looking for a budget sport Tyre that grips ok in the wet try the Nankang Ns2.....not even the Ns2r.....just the normal sport road Tyre.
I run Proxes T1r,s on my mini Cooper s and the forementioned Nankang,s on a Vectra SRi and I can say without doubt that they grip better in the wet and have similar performance in the dry......they sound crap by name, but check out the company.....they are very very experienced in Tyre production and so bloody cheap.....I'd rate them higher than proxes.just my opinion
Darren Lucas how are you finding them on the MINI?
@@thisisapen the Toyo Proxes T1R,s?
If that's what you mean...they are ok,nothing amazing.....Nankangs are better and cheaper ...NS20,S......you can't buy the NS2,s that easily now
all u need is them stickers !! ;)
Was thinking about buying the Toyos..
maybe not anymore.
Am looking for best road/ track day compromise...
Any suggestions chaps?
Currently driving Mk1 Focus SVT
We’ve just picked up a set of Yokohama AD08Rs - only tested them on the road briefly, tarmac was wet and greasy as it had just been raining.. the tyres had a lot more grip and were much more confidence inspiring than the T1Rs. Didn’t push it too hard but could tell they had a lot more to give! They are good value and the dry grip will be so much better, looking forward to getting them out on track now! Hope that helps a bit
Guys That Drive
Er.... thanks chaps for the prompt reply
The tyres on my car at the moment
Are Yokohama Advan Neova AD08
Not sure if they have the R bit at the end though 🤔
Casual Agent how do you find them? We found a good barely used 2nd hand set so thought would be worth a try. You could go more track focussed with something like the Toyo R888Rs but then you would lose some of the on road ability if the roads are wet/ cold!
Guys That Drive
Had them on the car awhile now, am pleasantly surprised by the wear.
Bought 225/45/17, on rough British roads the extra width of the tyres scrape the front wheel arches (occasionally)
On smooth Florida roads wasn’t an issue, will be going back to the regular
215/45/17 tyre size, which tyre though?
Not 100% convinced in the wet
A bit noisy on the road
Not a supple ride either (AD08)
May go back to a good street tyre,
hence I was looking at the Toyo T1-R
(which led me to your video 👍)
Maybe UniRoyal rain sport tyres ?
Decisions, decisions 🤔
If you’re looking more street bias have a look at Michelin pilot super sports or PS4. I have good year eagle f1 as2s, they are great in the wet but probably too soft for track use
i love that your not like pros too so much more relatable ! !
That’s why we’re doing it, learning how to drive properly on track and everything that comes with it.. including all the spins and skids along the way
That’s my local track I live in thetford
Bikelife Thetford great track to have as your local!!
I did Snett in my 172 with T1R's... not great, but i have nothing to compare to. Now have R888 which will probably be worse.
Katzen jammer just hope for a dry day!
@@GuysThatDrive Ok just watched the video - mine never swapped ends like that with those tyres... And it was torrential rain. Sounds nice though :)
I think combination of crap tyres, hardly any weight over the rear and dodgy alignment make it very unstable when off the throttle. It was fine in the dry at Bedford the other day. Will be getting an alignment done when we change the shocks and springs
dude my eyes are hurting and bleeding from how you are holding your steering wheel, and how you actually drive.... i hope in 2022 its better than that time this vid was posted
If you had been on r1r's you would have been flying round. The T1R always was a terrible track tyre. There is no sidewall strength, so the tyre collapses under sideloads.
Rainsport 3s for those conditions. U can get the yoko ad08 cheap in 15" size for the dry
Are Yoko ad08 ok in the wet? I'm looking for some better all round tyres for my Ph1 www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=47&t=1778374 - currently running T1-Rs and yes they are awful; zero steering feel and sidewalls apparently too soft.
Yep. Ran rainsport2’s with tr-1s on the back on mine for ages. Lift off on demand! :D (full interior though)
I personally found the Toyo TR1's (not T1R, but TR1) rubbish. Grip was good in cornering but the steering was vague and unresponsive. Didn't feel planted. Not for me.
R ur ESP system on?
Always off in a 172 cup, it doesn’t have it!
@@GuysThatDrive thank you, and especially for this review, cause I was about to buy these tires :)
What are you expecting. Normal street summer tyre on a wet racetrack. And serious, you are riding dry race lines in the rain. Start learning how to drive:-)
You are to driving what Cyril Smith was to hang Gliding.
You must be a one of those mythical driving gods to enjoy T1Rs, either that or never experienced a good tyre!
Imagine thinking that summer tires are supposed to perform well in wet conditions.
You’ve clearly not experienced an English “summer” then or good summer tyre
@@GuysThatDrive 'summer' tyre should be called a 'sunny' tyre, it doesn't just mean for the whole season of summer, even if it flooding!
T1r's are basically ditch finders 😂 get some Uniroyal Rainsport 3's for wet
Mine are brilliant. So cheap (discontinued)
This is a summer tyre
LOOKS LIKE COLIN MCRAE
I got dumber from watching this... *stops accelerating mid corner and instantly spins out* "as soon as that weight goes to the back, it just can't hold it" what?!
Yes this track day was a learning curve and yes some of the clips trying to explain/ figure out the issue at the time aren’t correct. By the afternoon we had learnt to keep your foot planted to avoid the backend overtaking the front. Something that at first felt quite unnatural having both daily driven rwd BMW’s for quite a while so doing the opposite. This was a great way of learning the limits of the Clio (and our abilities) are like in relatively safe environment and speeds way below what it would take to make the car react like this in the dry.
I’ve had T1Rs and there lethal.. Bridgestone are just as bad..
Ditch finders
ASVP NAZ absolutely!
Brilliant tyres , terrible driver
driving a clio what a joke
xultraragex no joke, the Clio 172 cup is an excellent little car
Like a pair of grannies going shopping. And for the love of god learn to rev match on the down shifts - painful to watch.
steven This was about as fast as we could go that day, grip was no existent! Rev matching is high on the list of things to practice on track- easy on road.. not so much on track!
@@GuysThatDrive Sweet. Sorry, I read my post and it reads very harshly. All the best to you.
steven I’d never heard of rev matching until watching videos in 2019! Driving since 1997 🤣
@@smiler921 yep, always something else to learn. That's the fun I think