Comparing Karate Combat Glove vs MMA/Kickboxing
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- čas přidán 26. 03. 2022
- Gloves can make a massive difference in fighting style. And today, for the first time, I get to try on the new gloves I'll be competing in. We talk about the most noticeable differences (weight, padding, etc) and then I give you my thoughts on the official Karate Combat gloves.
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Gabriel: A multiple time kickboxing world champion
Also Gabriel: "I don't like hurting people"
It's not his fault they run into his fists and kicks
it's for self defense no problem
He's honorable
One thing I like about them and Karate Combat in general is they really put a lot of effort into preventing eye pokes. The Gloves have a natural curve to them so that helps prevent it but also the rule that you have to strike with a closed fist also helps prevent against this.
True but knifehand strikes have been staples historically in Karate, which would have been interesting if they chose to incorporate them in their Karate promotion.
@@KeyserSoze23 True even though a lot of those knife hands are actually frames. It also makes ridge hands interesting since they perform it with a close fist, also a lot of them hit with arm instead of the actual hand like Bas Rutten does.
Do u even train in karate? Idk the association with karate and "karate chops". After training for 8 years, in 4 different styles and competing under full contact, gloved, and point karate rules I can say: shutos are almost never allowed in kumite.
@@amhawk8742 in knockdown karate we can use swordhand strikes but almost no one does, maybe if throat strikes were allowed (supposedly in the blood and guts era people would throw them to the throat all the time) they'd be more common as I fight barehanded, but i've mainly seen people use open handed strikes as blocks or parries rather than actual strikes to the body
@@KeyserSoze23 they allow knife hand but only if you're doing a ridge hand strike.
Basically there's very little way to get eye poked unless it's pretty blatant or super lucky/unlucky strike.
I really like those gloves. Wrist support seems very good, at least from the look of it. The padded area also seems a little less rectangular, which I sometimes find a bit uncomfortable with MMA gloves. These provide the accuracy and realism of MMA gloves and still allow for takedowns and catching kicks, but you can shell up at least a bit more, and they seem to decrease eyepoke potential. I think the extra padding is a good thing. Nowadays I'd actually prefer seeing a little less brutality and devastating damage in combat sports, especially looking at how many MMA fighters are going through absolute wars now and some of them are noticeably getting worn down with time. I like how Marc Goddard at times was stopping fights in Karate Combat quite early and decisively, so more protection and fighter safety is a plus in my book.
Garbrandt or Ferguson are probably the most noticable fighters who had miles worn off by the span of one fight, Gaethje for Ferguson and TJ for Cody.
I agree on the early/decisive stoppages it might take away from the cool ko people want to see but I personally rather see my favorite fighter have a few extra fights on him and retire with minor injuries.
It's generally why MMA has seen less deaths than in Boxing because refs just let a clearly defeated fighter who's not okay get mauled.
What do you think about the Karate Combat gloves? Initial thoughts/impressions?
I like the KC gloves better because it seems like they won't create eye pokes as easily as the mma gloves
@@mikea7732 maybe the guys who do muay Thai with mma gloves should switch into KC gloves
I think they’re horrible. Really unnatural-looking (and feeling too I bet). As I said in another message...they’re just an evolution of standard karate sparring mitts...which I hate anyway. 🤷♂️
@@paulpelle3046 MMA sparring gloves but thinner. That's almost literally it and I don't mind it
@@yoshuanguerrero1381 100% what I said myself as well, ONE and many other orgs should adopt these gloves, or some variation.
The karate gloves are really similar to amateur mma gloves or the mma gloves that you spar in .
The extra protection to the knuckles and wrist are really good ideas, I never was a huge fan of the traditional MMA gloves, because of the eye pokes and because the don't have much protection at all, with KC gloves you still can grapple, parry and catch kicks but with less doctor stoppages, less eye pokes and more protection at all.
The Problem with closed gloves is that MMA guys cannot grapple properly without the hands being able to open. Eye pokes are risk but I have never seen anyone go blind in mma. Maybe it’s happened but it’s exception and it’s fight so things happen despite their efforts to keep competitors safe
It's kind of weird that ONE didn't adopt these type of gloves for their Muay Thai bouts and chose to use their standard MMA gloves instead - in fact these type of gloves, or some variation like Trevor Wittman's gloves, should become the new MMA standard imo.
Many of you subbed here probably know of these already, but for those that haven't czcams.com/video/kRGupKJ8Hbs/video.html
Agreed. I don't like 4oz for muay thai. I feel like it's too hard on the athletes for straight striking.
Something in-between MMA and boxing gloves would be better.
I kinda like it cause it changes some things. Like clinching will be a bit different and I like the concept of it
It’s to pay homage to bare knuckle Muay Thai
is there a significant difference between the KC gloves, these Trevor Wittman gloves, and the curved MMA sparring gloves? They look really similar
1:28 that 4 pound mma glove 😂
Can’t wait to watch you compete, you got this!
I like Karate Combat because very clean technical fights, also no much idling and constant action.
Can’t wait to see the fight man.
Can't wait to see ya in Karate Combat!
It will be very intresting to see you fight with those gloves and how is your style gonna adapt
Best of luck in your new competition venture sir 🙏
I cannot wait fir karate combat to start. Were all behind you.
Please do a video on the Rodtang vs Mighty Mouse fight!!!!!
I can’t wait 🤛🤛🤛
I really like the idea of kickboxing with lighter gloves kind of like one championship's muay thai fight, but I definitely think the design for karate combats gloves are better for striking sports. Similar ability to clinch with the hands and more padding in the front, they really should add the thumbhole though. Also I like the extra wrist support
when are you fighting for them? will definitely start watching this once you do
Interesting.
Good to hear about protection.
Gloves seem to make fights i.e. whilst good for hand protection and the health of the fighter being hit; one assumes it makes it into more of a kicking based art with more protection on the hands and less on the feet.
For example compare Muay Thai and Lethwei, the latter being more of a punching art maybe due to les hand protection and being able to inflict more damage with punches???
This is what they should be using in shoot boxing
Hope the best Gabriel... if you are going to tell how to adapt to those kind of gloves compared to boxing gloves it will be better and better. Thank you.
I worry about the lack of a thumb loop. Hope it doesn't mess with the stability of the hand.
I have a pair of these and I really like them for occasional bag work when I want to feel the impact on my knuckles a bit more. I'm about five months into my martial arts journey. And I was wondering if you think these are any good for sparring? I'm studying Jeet kune do and there's alot of open hand techniques and due to lack of experience I'm just not sure if there's enough padding or if I'd need something with a bit more cushioning.
The hybrid style gloves are so much better than UFC/MMA style gloves. Trevor Whitman has a fantastic style of glove for MMA that follows more hybrid and Pride FC style of glove, focusing on making sure you can make a fist with higher quality foam to prevent the stiffness while still making sure it's easy enough to grapple. Part of the reason I like karate combat are the gloves. I cannot wait to see you get in there. Wish you were able to fight at a slightly higher weight class to fight Quayhagen.
I like glove reviews 👍
Can you still do a vertical 2 knuckle landing in either glove or would it be the bottom 3 knuckles?
Are you going to have a new fight? Good luck!
Do you have advice or a video on training and how to keep your brain health
I think an update video would be good if I’m not mistaken the gloves have been changed to the mma glove
Some fights use the older gloves
What do you think of amateur MMA gloves. 7 ounce with doable wrist wraps and curve to prevent eye pokes? I think they should be adopted by professional promotions as well.
Something to prevent eye pokes sounds very wise. Bellator gloves have a little curve to them to help.
I like the KC gloves. They remind of me the older SHOOTO gloves , but I’m not liking the lack of a thumb hole. I used to own a pair of gloves like that and they would always wiggle around and just generally felt loose all the time.
My teachers told me that my biggest weakness was I didn't like hurting people. Really, I do prefer having that weakness.
That's not a bad thing. I'm the same. I don't enjoy it but through the years I've come to terms with it being part of the sport.
Ok so if I may please can I chime in. I'm not a fighter I'm a fan of fighting. I love every aspect of it, the discipline, the hard work, the routine, the strength and knowledge I Mena I love everything about it. I don't want to hurt people nor do I enjoy that,now having said that if I ever did get into fighting hurting my opponent is what it's all about for me, we sfe fighting not there to be friends. Again having said that part I may have a switch that enables me to turn that on and off when appropriate. I served 9 years in the US Army, I was airborne infantry, went to ranger school was at one point my squads machine gunner amd then went back to regular rifleman. I was deployed numerous times 3 times to the middle east alone so having been a part of that environment may very well have taught me to use that on off switch. I did go thru training classes and courses the army calls warrior level I and or II and III which are basically MMA type courses because of all the urban combat going on at the time went for these and got into fighting through this avenue.
I love the whole fighting experience but I never understood fighterswho do this for a living living saying I don't like hurting people,, it's a confusing statement for me because I have the total opposite mind set. Does that make me a bad person or someone who hasn't learned to control their emotions during a fight??? Genuinely curious. I have the upmost respect for what you guys do an have a lot of admiration for all you guys
Yeah I’m the same, my coaches say I need to be more “mean” as they called it.
@@justasleepparalysisdemonwi8719 Just be yourself. What is your goal, to be good at a combat sport or to hurt people?
@@marc2638 I went into the martial arts to learn self-defense, but it became a lifestyle not a job. I'm a surgeon. However, there was a day when I was out on a run, that I was attacked unprovoked by three full grown pit bulls. I was bit, but I survived thanks to my martial arts training. I learned on that day that I had a switch inside where i could raise my level of aggression if my life was threatened.
can you do a handstand in the karate combat gloves?
Hey, question about body types. As a shorter thicker fighter, do u think kyokushin is better naturally than muay thai for striking? Just wondering what your thoughts are on body types for martial arts in general
I'm pretty sure Gabriel has made videos about fighting with your physique, you could check them out
Yeah, which styles are most suited to those with short arms v long arms, short legs v long legs, wide torso vs slim torso, etc
He has a playlist in the channel called fighting with your physic
Lol I'm so dumb. I've even watched those videos. Typing without thinking can be a dangerous thing lol
@@mikea7732 Don't worry, your safe. It's not like you exposed some secret government project and now they are going to suicide you or something
Those look a lot like the older ones used in Shooto.
Hey gabriel, please cover Superbon vs Marat rematch!
I'll get that done for sure.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial Awesome! eagerly waiting to hear your take on it!
Any chance of Varga vs Petrosian or would you have to move up in weight?
Yes. Petroysan is up a weight class. I've never had interest in moving up as I walk at the 155lbs.
Do you plan on changing your boxing defense with the new gloves?
I'm going to have to try some training with them and see. At this point I'm not sure.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial look into Eoghan Chelmiah, Nikos Gidakos, and the Champ of your division Edgar Skrivers on how they use the high guard in Karate Combat if you want some inspiration to adapt your style.
The Karate gloves makes more sense for pure striking then the MMA gloves.
Why are you going to compite in Karate combat, you will do a video talking about it?
Best wishes from Mexico ❤️🙏
He already has, I belive
I will definitely do a video as soon I can give you guys information on the first fight.
How safe are they for your hands compared to the 10 and 4 oz ones? Looks like it could still get a hand injury if not careful.
yeah i was thinking it would be easy to jar your thumb
@@aids9652 in Karate you tuck the thumb over your fingers when making a fist so it's not an issue.
What think of that dj rot tang fight
An interesting point: 10oz boxing gloves have been linked to a higher rate of brain injury than 4oz MMA gloves. Seems counterintuitive but the MMA gloves appear to be safer.
I feel like it’s probably due to larger gloves allowing fighters to hit harder without risking injury to the hands
Better Refs and MMA gloves allowing cuts to be easier to make plus less concussive force delivered do to smaller padding, I think are the main reason why MMA gloves are safer.
Refs especially I mean the amount of maulings that happen in boxing that should have been stopped is a lot even to this day.
While in MMA a guy gets stunned and doesn't seem to able to fight back and they wave it off.
Do you still wrap your hands in the smaller gloves
Yeah most Karate Combat fighters wrap their hands but it isn't a requirement.
I know you meant the mma gloves were 4 ounces, but the thought of 4-pound gloves makes me crack up lol
MMA sparring gloves
Speaking of Karate Combat, do they require you to change your style to look less like kickboxing/muay thai?
No. I can fight the way I want. Some changes will be required but the promotion doesn't require you to fight a certain way.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial Cool, what do you feel you might need to adapt? Looking forward to seing you fight there.
Oh and by the way, Myself and multiple people at our Muay Thai club in Malmö sweden really dig your channel. Keep it up. 😀
Karate combat glove look similar to defend fc glove, if you search defend fc you will see mma fight,but on grass not on octagon. I love defend fc fight mma rules but fight on grass.
Back in the day gloves where so so thin .
The only reason the UFC won't adopt these ideas is because they want to own the patent and rights for them. At least that's what trevor whitman said on JRE.
Those Bellator gloves must be hard to throw with being 4 pounds 😝
Oops 😊
Do you really have a background in karate?
For sure. Started in karate when I was around 8. Trained and competed point fighting until I was about 13-14. Then I started my transition to kickboxing but kept up with karate kata training until I was around 20 (first kickboxing fight). And I have my 4th degree black belt.
The karate combat gloves look alot like MMA sparring gloves I've got anyone know why lol
more padding = more damage. u can hit harder. mass x speed = force. its been proven that boxing gloves r weapons. they protect the puncher not the person being punched
aren't they just MMA sparring gloves?
“Some wins”?! No Gabriel...EVERY fight now is gonna be a win, young man! ✌️
PS. These KC mitts just look like an evolution of the bog-standard (and 💩 unnatural-feeling) mitts that we used in my last karate school. I hate them 🤷♂️
PS. Your Bellator MMA mitts were 64oz were they Gabriel? Hahaha! I had to bruh...sorry! 🙈🙏
4 pounds 😳😳😳
A 4 pound MMA glove is a CURSE !
They look pretty much like mma sparring gloves
Pretty close. My MMA sparring gloves are 7 ounces so these seem right between fight and sparring glove.
I hate boxing gloves. My hands always feel uncomfortable and I can never make a proper fist in them. MMA gloves of any kind Are infinitely more comfortable.
Yeah, that’s so true about boxing gloves. You sometimes forget how kinda unnatural most boxing gloves are tbh. Never being able to make a proper fist always feels weaker and susceptible to injuries if you’re technique is off. Wraps won’t protect you from everything. 🤷♂️
I’d much rather fight K-1 or Thai in 10z MMA-style mitts/gloves. For a start: you can actually clinch properly. 🙏
*your
You said 4 pounds. Teehee
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😀 heyhey i got a reply, awesome content, i might want to do the occasional bagwork in the karate style gloves rather than the mma gloves from now on! (Usually i wear 12 oz on the bags)...Perhaps the UFC should consider the extra wrist wrappage!!
4 pounds is heavy mma glove lol
Karate combat is disgusting, none of the competitors are prepared for ground and pound at all. Also not being able to hold your opponent makes you a sitting duck on the ground, it only leads to rocked guys getting blasted unconscious with no chance of defending
You can pull guard, you can up kick, you can sweep to reverse the position, or scramble for a single leg. These are all thing in Karate Combat do not to mention nearly a quarter of their roster has MMA experience.
@@killaben85 Are you allowed to throw in Karate Combat? I only watched a couple fights so far and it was awhile ago
@@killaben85 yeah and these things are completely ineffective at defending yourself from your back, you need to hold if you want to survive not Throw upkicks when you’re a shot away from being knocked out
@@killaben85 you can shoot a single? I thought you couldn’t wrestle at all
@@killaben85 hahahah I just looked it up and you’re completely wrong lmao