Real Reason Everyone Should Throw More Putters in Disc Golf | Beginner Tips and Tutorials
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- If you've watched a video targeted towards beginners you've most likely heard them say that you should throw putters early on. Honestly...I've said it countless times on this channel. Today though I want to highlight an additional reason I think people should throw putters more often as well as get more comfortable throwing these types of discs. The "Comeback Mechanic" is something few players are discussing and yet it hinders many player's abilities to score! What is this reason and mechanic?? You'll have to watch to find out!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:10 Setting the Table
3:11 The Comeback Strat
5:54 So Why Putters?
9:38 Next Steps
12:21 Wrap Up - Sport
This was such a timely video. I was just saying to my buddy I was going to lay off my driver's and get back to the mids and putters. Then BAM! Oh Robbie C comes out with this video.
Same. Just made the decision yesterday that this weeks rounds are putter and mids only
When I first started playing I was grabbing 12 and 13 speed discs thinking they would go farther as most people do. I jumped back to putters pretty quickly (advice from one of your older videos) and started getting way more accuracy. I have slowly worked back up to 11 speeds but I find I throw putters on SO many holes and do pretty well!
The Pigeon! Great throwing putter! Wasn't ready for that to pop up in your video this morning but love it!
i bought a ton of drivers when i started and now i rarely go faster than fairways, putters are usually more than enough to get the job done and its way easier. Love the videos Robbie!
I am your target audience. Started disc golf in Dec '22. Am Five foot three, 🦖arms and slow arm speed. Drive 250-280'. Six weeks ago, lesson with owner of Tree Love in Dallas got me a baseline form. A handful of mindful 15-30' putting work(working until making 65-100 putts from 15-30' measured) got my putting confidence up. Play regularly in +18-25mph winds. College ultimate background +20yrs ago. Only play 9 hole rounds on par 3 courses in Dallas/Richardson area. Went from +3-5 over PAR to Even to +1over PAR rounds. Tree Love lesson made aim better, got nose down, improved putting technique. My drives leave me +150-200' from C1, but I throw a firm Nomad and get into C1 about +75% of the time. Now I expext to drain 15-20', hit metal out to 35'. Putting mental affirmation, "Straight for the Chainbang." I expect to hit metal on every C1 putt. My two putts have greatly diminished. Even on +350-400' Par 3s, PAR feels readily attainable. Maybe I'll throw over 350' regularly one day, but right now I am having a blast getting so mamy PARs that a bogey doesn't bother me. The occassional 🐤 is icing on the round. Thx for all the great content. 🙏
I started throwing a hex all the time after i got one from a tournament..... it has taught me so much about my form.... i can throw that disc so straight now its insane. Ive been playing for 2 years and still my only driver is a escape. Theres no need to rush your disc golf career just play comfortably to your play style is the way i look at it
100% I love my hex. I use 3 drivers because my resistor shreds through head winds and 2 undertakers
Less is more buddy..glad to hear. Unless I lose a disc.. I don't have more than 3 with me. I don't even have spares in the car. Just the way I approach it not good for everyone. My driver is an Escape as well.. i got the 3 disc kit from that company for Christmas.
I’m glad you did this video. This is perfect. I was having the same thought process about 2 weeks ago. My upshot/short game was seriously lacking. Keep up the good work!
Robbie, loving your videos... SO helpful as a beginner and I can guess I'll be checking them again in a year to correct mistakes in form/mindset. Thank you for the work you put into these!
Fantastic advice! I can confirm, playing for a while with putters only (ok maybe a mid too) has helped me a lot. Over the winter, the most accessible course to my home is a shorter 9-hole. All holes less than 300'. I made it my mission to understand the putter and mid up shots, and it has carried through to my summer golf game as well. Now I can confidently putt within 15' (working on 20) and feel fairly confident with upshots within 150' or so.
Everyone, DO IT!!!
this is a great video. very well edited gives a lot of information. very informative.. gives the viewer a ton of info it was ad free they have a lot do good good tips.
This is the way!!! Great content
I have been discing down lately and it has made the game so much more fun and less frustrating. Great video
Shoutout to the Birdie Fam being real ones.
I was just thinking about this the other day. I truly feel like I'm in a low point in my game, as I was playing less in the winter but also was playing way better. My distance has dropped since then and I really believe that's because I've been leaning on my drivers. Back to putters and midranges! They're more for to throw, anyways.
Love the advice, just recently discovered this as i played with players with more experience than me. Now i use the putters alot more and actually tackled down a hole that i never birdied before because i was having a hard time going thru that mando. Ez biride with putter.
I fell into the described trap. I started playing this past winter, and already have bag with 13 discs in it (3 putters, 3 mids, 3 fairway, 2 distance, and disc I use for weird scrambles). A couple weeks ago, I decided to go back to basics, and have been playing a 9 hole par 3 course (ranges from 75ft to 190ft) with just 2 of my putters on most days after work. I can tell that my approach accuracy and putting is improving dramatically.
Love that you do so many vids at George ward. It was my home course when I lived in the Ham.
Will likely again be my home when I move back in a year.
Looking forward to meeting you out there
I cant believe you did a putter video. I've hated throwing putters since I started playing DG 8 yrs ago. I cant stand the deep rim. However, for the past week ive committed to throwing putters because I can't believe how stable they are (unless its a Deputy).
Im throwing them about 240ft. So I've ditched my mids even on any hole under 280ft. Im getting used to the taller rim and it's not bugging me so much because I'm liking the results on my drives and approachs!
Omg way of the playa!!! Best golf channel on yt
Hey Robbie! Great video! I'm a huge fan of premium plastic Wardens for that range of shot. I love me some Moonshine Wardens.
Thanks for the vid
Thank you thank you thank you!!!! This was perfectly timed. Ive played for about 10 years and was guilty of what youve described. But ive been away from the game for 3 years due to health problems. I suffer from kidney failure. But now im determined to take up the game again to regain my fitness and I'm going to ditch the drivers and just play putters and midranges. Im also going to focus on forehands. Thank you. Youve helped relighting the fire.
Great Video. I think a HUGE factor should be the course that you are playing on and how forgiving it is when you don't land on the fairway. A wide open course is much more inviting to throw the power shot, but when playing on a place with OB or thick woods, that's when it will really pay off to go the putter heavy route.
Last year I switched my game to only throwing 9 speed and below (aside from 4 distance drivers that I keep in my bag for the kansas winds) and my game improved dramatically. Recently I switched my style to not throw the disc hard and focus on just playing smoothly and accurately and I've been seeing another huge improvement.
Robbie, thank you for reminding me to play putter rounds. I try to do 3 to 4 through out the season.
So true! I like my old-school Cyclone but I often throw my Buzzz or Judge. I think these are the three I would carry if I could only carry three
I have started doing this get more comfy with putters. The Envy is so good and my main upshot disc is the Berg. Play safe but have started running some to help not fear the come back
Most important... how are you doing today robbie
Livin the Dream!!
I'm doing great! How are you?
4 speeds for the win. Id much rather make a shorter shot that I can control than a longer shot. I always encourage my friends to throw the slowest disc. Love the content Robbie, putters for the win
12:23 oof the rollaway. I feel for them haha.
Thanks a bunch. I've been struggling a lot with a ton of things but this is helpful. I think I've been playing the same short course too often and messing with my form too much. Why is this happening what's happening where even am i.
Thanks
Started playing last spring, I was lucky to have a buddy that also played and used putters all the time, so I got in the habit of doing that as well and now anything under 300 ft I grab a putter or midrange.
this one guy I was talking to the other day says his pals won't let him use a putter through a whole game. He says when he tries to throw distance, it ends up rolling every time. He just needs to understand the flight character of that disc.. it's a real nice putter too.. it would really float if you chucked it - I forget the brand black center with white rim kinda flexible. It's a good topic !
Love this and I genuinely agree. For me, it's not an "ego thing" so much as it's a "putters feel weird when I try to throw them for distance" thing. My slow speed go to throw is a midrange (EMac Truth, usually) and the only "putter" I've found that I can throw comfortably is the Envy and it's sibling the Proxy. I think this is because they feel closer to Midranges to me. Whereas my putting putter (EMac Judge) and other putters feel deeper to me and come off my fingers weird. Probably means I need to work on my grip with putters, but I just wanted to share my experience.
I e been watching your videos for over a year and love the content but when I go out I always get a lil nervous and reach for the 11 speeds when I know I shouldn’t but this video i finally had it and took everything over a 9 speed out of the bag. I’m going to trust the process and see how it goes. It can’t get much worse lol
I usually throw 375-400 feet. Yesterday I I really got a hold of one and ripped it 490 feet (confirmed with range finder). Really wish I knew what I did differently to get it that far 😢
Pigs and Judges ALL DAY!! I have no need for anything else. I've stopped bringing a bag. I bring a new pig, and old pig, a judge and a do all Tbird in case I feel loose and have some wide open space to grip lock into. I get my old pig out to about 250 and my Tbird 310 (maybe). With putters I'll take the accuracy, cut the long holes down and score on the short ones. 2 years into the sport and at 45 years young, I see no reason to change. Game is much more enjoyable now. Can par most courses in my area and that's good enough for me.
I went to my home course last week and played with 3 discs. An over stable midrange, a slightly under stable midrange and a putter. I shot +5 (par 4s included, and two missed putts that shouldn't have been missed). My average at that course say this year is probably +8. And for reference I normally don't throw anything over 9 speed. Most of the better golfers I play with rarely pull out a distance driver. I'm constantly reminded by them to throw the slowest disc possible that gets you to the shot.
Dang now I've got to keep throwing putters hahah. I've learned the big drives from throwing them but now I need to practice the short throws as I keep losing big strokes there. Overall getting so much better from throwing putters though! Highly recommend!
I've started playing the local pitch n putt with putters 2-4 times a week to help with control.
Pa-5 is my right turning back hand putter. That is a key component to my bag. I got my first game under par doing this, aswell as my first eagle (ive been playing for two months at this point). My score was -1 birding hole 18 to put me there.
Pa-5 is a good disc!
I'm doing a reset this year. I've shelved everything above 5 speed. I have a stable 5 speed, overstable 5 speed, understable 5 speed, very understable 5 speed, overstable 4 speed, stable 4 speed, and my putter. I've found my form is improving. I'm now into May with using only those discs. I plan on re-evaluating in July to see if I might add a couple of 7 speeds.
Super interesting. Most courses I play my max distance probably puts me 20 feet short. That's max and if I hit a good line. Basically taking mostly 3s now, because I usually have a 75 foot upshot. I went to a disc score the other week. Found a nine hole open park course. It was the first course that I could actually reach basically every hole. I did throw putters and mids but I really struggled. Further than I am used to throwing those discs, especially putters. There is long nd technical course near me that I don't play. I think that I am going to start going there nd just throw putters and aee if I can get pars.
I wish I had more opportunities to throw putters, but most holes in my area are right around 330' and it's always windy too. Mostly fairways and drivers off the tee here in Kansas
Yeah, I'm guilty. I recently got seriously into the game and I did start with lower speed discs. But I mainly focused on mostly full power mid range shots and once I started getting those up to 250-300 feet consistently, I instantly started buying the fairway drivers. And my upshot game is still by far the most inconsistent part of my game. I need to go back to the basics and just start focusing on putters again
Ironic timing. My home course has a hole that’s just over 400’, all downhill, and has an understable line and overstable line, both separated by a thiqqq line of trees. Understable line is tough, but I’ve been trying it again the past few months. Couple weeks ago I get here and think, “Hm…what if I throw my beat-in Envy off the tee? It’s understable…”
While I missed my line, the disc found a gap in that line of trees and turned right, and it got down substaintially far, enough that I was able to approach with my Berg for a Bird. 👌🏼
Next day I try the same thing, hit the understable line this time, and I have a clear, 150ish ft. look at the basket to park it for another birdie, which I got.
So…I birdied a 400’ hole with putters. Sound advice, Robbie! 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Started with drivers like my friends did, but quickly realized I was scoring much better throwing my warden on most drives at my local par 3 course.
That's a good benefit with playing in the snow. After you loose a driver under the surface it forces you to throw your putters and mids more.
But I personally say the greatest thing for improving my consistency is proper field work. 30 mins a few times a week did so much, and especially when I switched from my course bag and instead put together a smaller bag with 4 pairs of discs. 2 Proxies, 2 Envys, 2 Hexes and 2 Reactors was what I ended up going with and just throwing the same discs and practicing angles with similar discs instead of a bag of 20 different molds made such a huge difference.
I think one of the downsides with going from driver to putter on the course is especially if you're not used to throwing a putter it's so easy to shank it and then feel discouraged from doing it again. Especially if you're the kind of beginner that started throwing with fairways, like I had to work away so much OAT after that first year, but now I'll throw my Proxy/Envy at pretty much anything under 60m. First year playing absolutely everything was dx Valkyrie range.
One thing I’d say about the break the 300 foot hole into 2 150 foot shots is I think for most people a 200 or 225 foot shot is very similar difficulty to the 150 foot shot. I find it much easier to throw a 220 foot shot and then a 80 foot shot.
This is what I’ve done over the past two months and now I feel I can actually throw my mids and envy straight and hard. I don’t have to go up to fairways as much either.
I played with only a banshee and valkyrie for 10+ years. Throwing putters still feel funny but it's improving.
You are giving away the old guy game again, I’d avoid trying to hang with the MA MP 50 + cards until it blows over. ;-)
I play with putters a majority of the time since the course I play the most is pretty short but technical. When I do go play longer courses I find myself grabbing drivers when I can honestly just throw a mid range the same distance more accurately. I always have to remind myself that “it’s ok to not throwing a driver” especially when I can throw a mid range just as far but with what seems to be less effort.
Throw the slowest disc you can reliably reach the pin with. Helps minimize skips, bad kicks, and pipe gaps. Related, get an electron envy and beat it in. It will lose its fade but still remain torque resistant when you want to hit it hard.
So here recently I went out and played save for par golf . The first 2 times Iv played in the monthly I shot +11 +7 and the 3rd round was playing save par golf and I shot +2 . Now I’m not a good player at all I’m very inconsistent with playing . Along with that mindset Iv stop throwing D drivers . So the main driver I throw for this rd was the fd
We have a group of guys that play a couple times a month and this one guy is so consistent because he only uses aviars.
Well Robbie what putters should I throw?
Putters are FAR more forgiving of nose-up throws (they almost favor nose-up), which helps beginners. However, that can also reinforce bad release angle. Mids might be a better learning option for proper form.
the first flight number "speed" .. pretty well established that it references rim width ..not a "speed" like mph we can throw all the discs at our "max" speed or less.
for me doing a putter only round is ok but my grip changes. i got from a putting grip close range but driver are done with the bonopane grip.
Being a new player, I do have a question about how many putters should be carried in my bag for regular/tourney play.
Also, if more than 2 are recommended, should I have my favorite closing putter, with 1 overstable and 1 understable for short tee shots and up shots?
*Note* I have a box of12 very random putters that I got in a mystery box and I also have 10 different Prodigy putters that I haven't tested out yet.
Calvin Heimburg throws like 500' his favorite disc is a 9 speed, I think that says it all in terms of speed being a big thing that matters.
For me, I LOVE my putters, and would throw those or mid ranges all day long
After six years of playing I have gone back to playing and practicing with throwing putters. I reached a point to where I wasn't progressing. It was starting to get to me. I knew I could play better than I have been. I could feel my body not doing what I knew it should have been doing. I felt I was constantly trying to max power drivers and the majority of the time, I was sacrificing form and control. I had to stop. I've even been playing our minis with putters only. Knowing I was not going to be in contention to place. But I was really at the point I was about to give up disc golf for good. By playing with putters I have started helping my form along and even getting close to the same scores at the minis with putters as I was doing with my whole bag! I may go all summer like this.
I throw putters and mids anytime I can! Fairway drivers come out after 320ft.
Crazy timed video, I got to meet you at that disc golf expo in Mass! Love listening to your content while I work, makes me want to go out and play, I NEEEED to work on these shots!
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I’ve had a tough time finding a comfortable putter to throw. I like a very narrow/thin disc.
Do we consider the Pig or Zone a putter?
I certainly do, especially the ones i have beat into a more straight flyer! Envy sort of lives in that middle ground for lots of folks!
What about a video aimed at those throwing their putters 300. I don’t feel comfortable on 100-150 shots like u said but not because I don’t throw putters, but because I feel like I am babying them to the basket and early release or something
Ok, but for me (short thrower, max 95 m, 310 ft), being essential the grip, I find that my grip on a Putter (I have 15 putters, more than discs in other categories) is notably different than my grip on Fairway and also Midrange discs. So, for throws up to 40-50 m (130-160 ft) I usually use a putter, but farther, up to 50-60 m I find much better the midranges. Over 60 m I go with fairways.
I think the only compliments on my throws are putters off the tee. I do approach with them too but I still beyblade them into the atmosphere.
I love throwing putters. If it's in my putter range I'm throwing a putter.✌️
I am an older guy been playing 4 months, family have bought me must be 50 discs, and I have to admit I dont get it at all, I throw exclusively a beat up old base plastic destroyer 0 feet to 280 (max), where I pay its usually windy 15mph and up , putter just blow away in the wind, the destroyer I can direct in the wind and well seems to put okay, short shots I just throw it gently, works great for forehand , just shorter shots on F/H as I get a bad feeling in my elbow if I push it much over 220 ish
My upshot game is so good only because of the dense wooded courses i play
I've started splitting my drives like he says... it shaved off double digits on my score.
This is why I buy discs labeled as "Putt and approach" so I can fool myself into ot seeing them as straight up putters.
Hope its okay I used your video in this blog post!
I wouldn’t say only putters, but if your playing a pitch and putt course (all holes are 250ft or shorter) just limit yourself to like 7 speeds or 5 speeds and lower, find those neutral or understable discs you can throw well. Being able to throw your mids off the tee and putters for everything else is far more valuable than sticking solely to a putter only round. Plus…mids and putters are hard to forehand IMO and most people would be better off learning and trying to throw an understable putter or mid straight(ish) vs forcing themselves to have overstable putters that can take the torque of a forehand and using that shot too often. Like how many times do you see Calvin or Simon forehand a 100-150ft layup? Almost never.
Thanks for your thoughts here, I am not following on the significance of the last sentence though? Would you mind elaborating on that one and how it relates to more folks throwing putters?
I can't throw putters with power. I flip it everytime. Can't figure it out.
100% AGREE... PUTTERS 1 2 3 4 , MIDS ARE JUST 5 SPEED.. WHY DO YOU ALL THROW THE MID FOR A MILLION SHOTS AND BAG 4 OF EM 🤣🤣.. I THROW PUTTER COMFY 250.. BUT 280-300 IN RIGHT CONDITIONS. BARELY USE MIDS.. IF IM AT A TEE THAT IS UNDER 300 IM PROBABLY USING A PUTTER.. i highly recommend being good at left to right with righthanded backhand. as soon as comfy with that, most putters well go on any angle you put on it.. also try to master nose as putters can be a devil with slightly too much nose biting and cut rolling.. a soft putter is essential on slopes, will stick
i bag 4 putters and 2 mids, 2 putt putters(banger gt) 1 soft(lander) approach and 1 (lander) approach.. buzz (GT at mo going further)and paradox(flippy as f)..THIS IS MY STREAMLINED BAG IVE HAD 3 BUZZZZ AND A PARADOX , IVE HAD BERGS , ENVYS, NOMADS, LUNAS , FIERCES, IONS, ANODES, P2s, PIGS, ZONES, AND MORE.. THE LAUNCH LANDER IS MY FAVE APPROACH
Take out every disc in your bag that says distance on them!
Interesting that I got two unskippable ads on this video, and then immediately after, you said there are no ads on this video. Might wanna hit up youtube for scamming you
Hmmm
The advice, "beginners throw putters" is for backhand throwers, which is 85% of the population.
Throwing putters forehand is challenging for everyone, including pros. (Former Ultimate players have an advantage here)
Better advice IMO, "beginners throw neutral 5 speeds". Forehands are easier to learn with 5 speeds, and all the disc flight characters are close to putters. Like putters you can throw midranges with touch. PDGA #308.
foot fault
Seconded 🙋🏿♂️
Anything under 300’ is a zone
Or a pig 😉
Best part about throwing putters is out driving people throwing destroyers.
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I still got an ad.. or ads.. one 15sec unskippable and a second skippable one..🫤