LPL: What we have here today is a Masterlock product that has a core in it which actually isn't shit! Masterlock: :) LPL: I'm gonna brute force that mofo open in the same time I need to pick a Masterlock Nr.3! Masterlock: >:(
Hi there! That is the first use of these extractors I have seen that actually works. Thank you for that! Now I know what these are actually for. Regards, Etna.
I've been in construction all my life and that's an unusually large bolt extractor even for a well stocked shop, let alone someone's home tools. What else do you do when you're not terrorizing the Master Lock Company? 😉😂😆🤣🤔🤔🤔
You have a sadistic streak, LPL. You demolish people's faith in just about every conceivable type of lock, and then wish us a nice day... 😁 Thanks for the videos.
How can you tel if a lock is made of good quality metal? When broken, the piece of crap I had looked on the inside just like the one in the video... Needless to say, some mofo stole my motorbike...
THese Zinc alloy disc locks are useless. Ive broken two of them simply by forgetting about them and riding off. The locks shattered with no visible damage to the caliper. Not really a challenge LPL.
It is not whatever or not this is a challenge... its whatever or not you can trust this product to secure anything. And to our complete and utter surprise *cough* this Master Lock product turned out to be made out of cheese grade toy metal.
I've done it twice and never user a disc lock again. One was the same design as this one. But nit a master lock and It was a tubular not a disc detainer, but the first lock I failed was a more flat design. I vaguely remember taking it back to the shop and demanding my money back. I use a small but thick shackle u lock now.
@@adamwest8711 actually it's really easy to do with disc locks. Most of them come with a brightly coloured cord attached which you put the other end on the handlebar to remind you it's there.
@@john37694452 that is a terrifying thought that either there are that many bolts failing in aircraft or there are that many bolts being snapped off by aircraft mechanics...
They know about a lot of the flaws, it's just that the products are designed and produced to a price point. The general public don't want to pay the price of quality, and many don't know any better (e.g. strength different between aluminium, zinc alloy, steel, hardened steel lock bodies)
Man that was too easy, a pocketable device able to defeat this type of theft deterrent in less than a minute! Ingenious, I truly enjoy your vids using unconventional methods from the ramset and now to a bolt extractor... I would like to see how this bolt extractor would fare with a more robust disc brake lock. Thanks again and keep up the great work!!
That's an excellent example of lateral thinking,and deviousness.Glad to discover there is a successful use for those types of bolt extractor,in 40 years of restoring motorcycles I've never managed to get a broken bolt out with one.
Thats is soft stuff, stud extractors are very hard and very brittle. I have snapped loads trying to gets bolts out. I didn't think it would work but it did. Great vid.👍
This is why I chose an abus 8008. The locking lug on mine actually engages with the lock body on the other side so it can’t be spread apart quite so easily.
I have a similar style lock and if chosen properly, there's almost no clearance between the end of the lock and edge of the disk. Thanks for a great video.
I'm glad you showed this in a realistic manner, the lock actually used in it's correct capacity. I wasn't going to buy a master lock for my before this video, but I know for certain that I won't now.
Very nice. Clearly, all of these are just to keep honest men honest. A determined thief knows what to look for, and will be able to defeat these locks.
At a lock manufacturer's trade conference in Dallas a few years ago, the CEO of a well known lock company said to me "Out locks are just to keep the honest honest". So you're exactly right.
The point isn't to make it impossible to steal. If someone wants it bad enough they'll wait til you unlock it, get on, then brain you from behind, take it, and the keys.
It's really all about having the right tools for the right job and when it comes to getting the job done sometimes you gotta improvise,adapt and overcome. Great job!! Use the force lol
"Give me a long enough lever and a place to stand, and I shall move the Earth". Looks like the lock body is sintered metal, not surprised it folded like a cheap suit.
You can see from the quality of the CASTING that you could break that with a few hammer hits. Also to fight against that attack they could make the pin engage in the other side and turn to strengthen it so it won't bend open as easily.
lockpickinglawyer what would you say is the best disc brake lock to stop a motorcycle from being stolen ?? which one should i buy and what and lock and chain ? i would really appreciate your advice as you can make light work of these locks
Wow. Easier than expected. At least with a disc lock if you live in an apartment or park your bike in an area with other close bikes it'll make a thief consider taking another bike that doesn't have one first.
Most bike thieves don't bother with things like beating a lock. If it's chained or locked, they just find one that isn't and throw it into a van. Takes way less time than breaking a lock. Bike locks are mostly a deterrent, they won't stop anyone who actually wants a particular bike.
It's interesting that the lock manufacturers don't seem interested in making their locks secure. A simple cam on the opposite side of the hasp would have stopped the spreading.
I'm sure others have mentioned this but you're supposed to put the lock bolt inside one of the cross drilled holes on the rotor. If installed in a difficult position, you shouldn't have room to throw an extractor in like that. Plus you will have the brake calipers on the rotor as well, so this really isn't a real world scenario.
What you said makes no sense. First, this one is NOT designed to go through the holes. The bolt is too big, and will not fit. Second, if you could get it through the hole, the position would make it EASIER to open. Third, the caliper in no way interferes with this.
Looks like a gap big enough for the extractor has to be there for this to work. When I fit my disk lock to the back disk there is a flush fit with less than a couple mm gap. Larger gap when I use it on the front. There was an AMA with a former motorcycle thief on reddit who said if it took more than 15 seconds to steal a bike he'd move on. I would guess a thief with the wherewithal to use this method would probably not stick around long enough to use it. His biggest suggestion btw was to lock your forks. Breaking a fork lock is a pain in the ass, takes time, and usually multiple people.
I know, right? Having had a number of nice-to-awesome street bikes over the past few decades, all I can say is that I'm really glad I quit riding before the internet allowed for the creation of channels like this.
They generally don’t work well as bold extractors because they spread out the bolt and lock it in the hole It looks like the first one was trashed the second one looks an awful lot better but either way you get a free jail cell and a motorcycle for as long as you can keep it It’s cast, maybe it would work better if they made it out a high strength steel either way they don’t wanna see LPL getting his hands on it Love the content thank you
A cordless impact driver would work, but they're kind of noisy and might draw attention to what you're doing. A ratchet is still pretty fast and a good deal more discrete, so I think it's more likely to be what a thief with any brains might use.
Dirk Stabins Just hold a rag/shirt etc over it for sound deadening, won't be running long enough to overheat, plus its stolen anyway so who cares. The dewalt cordless angle grinder is the thief's tool of choice here, doesn't matter how loud it is, who is going to challenge you? Yes, this is England so no guns and weak police/justice system.
A thief wouldn't use an impact driver, it serves no purpose here. Much harder to carry, louder, and much less disposable. There's very little time advantage once you consider the size of an impact and therefore the time to pull it out and put it away before riding off
Is there always going to be sufficent room when attached to an actual bike, to get a bolt extractor in though? Surely it is designed to fit right down over the disc?
I used a bolt/screw extractor to get a stripped screw out of my bicycle front derailleur. It worked after drilling a pilot hole. Because screw was in a well and didn't come out other side, no other way.
I wonder if an impact driver could give you enough torque and speed to break that open in seconds rather than a minute. Either way, I love the out of the box thinking you bring to your attacks.
Considering the cast material, I wonder if it would just be easier to use a prybar. If a thief is just going to roll it off, minor rotor damage wouldn't really be a concern to them.
2:27 In actual use, the lock pin would be through one of the vent holes in the disk, not how you have it mounted (there would be a hub in that section). Trying this method with the lock properly mounted to the rotor might make this even easier to accomplish.
(arrggg, turns and heads down another isle in the department store) I was so hoping to find another simple tool for defeating locks. The lock cylinder is only as good as the lock body it is put in so this is good to know.
Is there any motorcycle locks you would recommend? I had two bikes stolen. Both had the locks cut open with a electric saw of some kind. Perhaps you try to test the Abus Detecto xplus 8077 I'm using at the moment?
I am surprised to see that master lock made that out of cast aluminum. I would be interested to see if the same lock body made from cast iron could stand up to the same attack.
Another reason to avoid Master locks. Also, not all disc locks or brake discs allow for that extra room to put something in between it like that but that's beside the point. Good video.
They have been using claw hammers crowbars for years making noise..I'm shore all the bike owners will thank you for showing the crims how to do it silent..Good video
Just when you thought there weren't any more ways you could get screwed by a lawyer...
You win the comments for this video!!! 😂😂😂
What a complete. Im not going to even go there.
Forget this video, win the comments for the Internet!
You win!
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LPL: "let's take this all the garage..."
Master lock: *NO NO NO PLEEEASSE HAVE MERCY*
My favorite quote. I keep on looking for these every LPL video.
@@kevingallineauii9353 basically the backroom in Pulp Fiction
Disc“break“lock... hahahaha... I show myself out, thanks
You would have made an unusual dentist.
Comment of the month :)
He seems exactly like every dentist I've ever encountered
"We'll need to extract this molar...with a Ramset gun"
llama burgers i peed
@cointoss election He's a telecommunications attorney.
1:10 "About the size of a cigarette"
WTH have you been smoking, man?
Mythraen - whatever it is, I think he has one right before he decides picking is passé and sets up his lock torture lab, aka the garage...
Maybe he meant a cigar?
Not to mention you need a rachet too
I think he meant cigar
It’s the size of a fat blunt. Sooooooo.
"Hey you really needed to have tested this with a brake rotor, oh wait, oh okay you have one."
👍
@@lockpickinglawyer usually the spokes hub and tyre would obstruct entry at that angle. Thoughts?
LPL: What we have here today is a Masterlock product that has a core in it which actually isn't shit!
Masterlock: :)
LPL: I'm gonna brute force that mofo open in the same time I need to pick a Masterlock Nr.3!
Masterlock: >:(
LOL Dude that's to much Burn even for a comment under a LPL video ...
Hi there!
That is the first use of these extractors I have seen that actually works. Thank you for that! Now I know what these are actually for.
Regards, Etna.
Lol. I prefer the little ones for screws and nuts. The larger ones are great for when the threads of a pipe break off in a fitting.
I've been in construction all my life and that's an unusually large bolt extractor even for a well stocked shop, let alone someone's home tools.
What else do you do when you're not terrorizing the Master Lock Company? 😉😂😆🤣🤔🤔🤔
That brief moment at 3:57 where you rotate the bolt extractor counter-clockwise to remove it and then realize you're going the wrong way is funny
i was wondering if someone else laughed at that
Not to normal people.
My dad said that there were unpickable locks. He also said that he has watched LPL. Something isn't adding up. 😂
Bruh moment
You have a sadistic streak, LPL. You demolish people's faith in just about every conceivable type of lock, and then wish us a nice day... 😁 Thanks for the videos.
Ah, I see the problem: the casting is made out of Chinesium instead of steel.
You aren't kidding. The grain structure of that pot metal was like rock salt.... Probably could have snapped it apart with a cheap screw driver.
Jerry Ray i believe this term was created by a guy with the youtube channel “AvE”
Meh, just a cheap die cast part. It's literally made out of metal powder.
YES, finally a good name for shitty pot metal
How can you tel if a lock is made of good quality metal?
When broken, the piece of crap I had looked on the inside just like the one in the video...
Needless to say, some mofo stole my motorbike...
Using a master lock for anything is the same as putting a sticker on your possessions asking would be thieves to please not steal your stuff.
Certianly any thief who still owned that many tools would have better ways to make a couple grand...
THese Zinc alloy disc locks are useless. Ive broken two of them simply by forgetting about them and riding off. The locks shattered with no visible damage to the caliper. Not really a challenge LPL.
It is not whatever or not this is a challenge... its whatever or not you can trust this product to secure anything. And to our complete and utter surprise *cough* this Master Lock product turned out to be made out of cheese grade toy metal.
You got lucky! I’ll admit to some surprise.
I've done it twice and never user a disc lock again. One was the same design as this one. But nit a master lock and It was a tubular not a disc detainer, but the first lock I failed was a more flat design. I vaguely remember taking it back to the shop and demanding my money back. I use a small but thick shackle u lock now.
How the hell do you forget you locked.....never mind. You shouldn’t drink and ride!
@@adamwest8711 actually it's really easy to do with disc locks. Most of them come with a brightly coloured cord attached which you put the other end on the handlebar to remind you it's there.
I've never been able to extract a bolt/screw with these, nice to know I can repurpose them
I used squared screws drill and hammer them in, heat too.
Helicoils always can cover the damage if I have to drill out
Sam Labo drill a hole in bolt, hammer a (old/damaged) torx bit in, turn bolt out
They usually work but isuccess never a given with them.
You just need some training, we use these every day in aviation.
@@john37694452 that is a terrifying thought that either there are that many bolts failing in aircraft or there are that many bolts being snapped off by aircraft mechanics...
"I'll wear a pair of gloves." Proceeds to put on a single glove.
Excellent demonstration! Amazing that lock manufacturers dont look at these videos and learn a thing or two about design flaw issues.
They know about a lot of the flaws, it's just that the products are designed and produced to a price point. The general public don't want to pay the price of quality, and many don't know any better (e.g. strength different between aluminium, zinc alloy, steel, hardened steel lock bodies)
They know...
They just draw something up and have the chicoms or Mexicans produce one from rubber dog feces. 99.98% will never be attacked
Great video as always. Love the destructive attacks, but also jealous of your picking skills, so keep showing these also.
Richard List You could say he picked a bolt extractor.
he said pair of gloves but that's clearly one glove. What's the meaning of this
Obviously he had two gloves on one hand, hence "a pair". Duh!
The other glove was... um, somewhere else. 😳 safety first. 👍
Big Michael Jackson fan. XD
I'm a thrila...
Woooo
@@lockpickinglawyer by "somewhere else I take it you mean lost AKA on vacation/resting
Thank you for testing this one in a more "real world" testing =o)
Thanks for letting every bike thief and would be bike thief know how to beat these kinds of locks
Thanks
My career as a criminal has advanced since watching your channel 😂
YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN! Well done LPL.
Man that was too easy, a pocketable device able to defeat this type of theft deterrent in less than a minute! Ingenious, I truly enjoy your vids using unconventional methods from the ramset and now to a bolt extractor... I would like to see how this bolt extractor would fare with a more robust disc brake lock. Thanks again and keep up the great work!!
I’ll definitely test it against other locks. 👍
That's an excellent example of lateral thinking,and deviousness.Glad to discover there is a successful use for those types of bolt extractor,in 40 years of restoring motorcycles I've never managed to get a broken bolt out with one.
Thanks... FWIW, the larger extractors are great for when pipe threads break off in a fitting. For bolts, I prefer the square ones you hammer in.
This is just too good. After seeing the title I was like .. how ? Never thought it could be used this way.
Thanks.
I love how your always thinking outside the box comimg up with new ways to defeat these locks. But I'll say it again it kills me lol.
Bobby Keyz I couldn't agree more... it's sad to see any lock die...
Thats is soft stuff, stud extractors are very hard and very brittle. I have snapped loads trying to gets bolts out.
I didn't think it would work but it did. Great vid.👍
Thanks, and this is cast zinc. Many of these locks are made of that because of the complex shape.
If it's cast zinc then you could use a hacksaw. Then again, this method was faster and more compact
wow not some thing i would have thought of. i would say this gives new meaning to "thinking outside the box." thanks for sharing.
Thanks. 👍
This is why I chose an abus 8008. The locking lug on mine actually engages with the lock body on the other side so it can’t be spread apart quite so easily.
I have a similar style lock and if chosen properly, there's almost no clearance between the end of the lock and edge of the disk. Thanks for a great video.
I agree. Also, high value MCs have rfid keys.
man you are getting super creative with these destructive attacks. keep it up!
Thanks.
Dude sweet! I’m liking all these unique tools, these locks don’t stand a chance
"This is the LockBreakingLawyer, and what I have for you today ..." :)
I'm glad you showed this in a realistic manner, the lock actually used in it's correct capacity. I wasn't going to buy a master lock for my before this video, but I know for certain that I won't now.
Funny, when I read the heading I thought you were going to drive the extractor into the key opening. Very clever.
Thank you, threw away the wrong key set and this saved me.
That's was awesome. Loved the new method of attack you came up with brother.
I’m amazed that these are sold in good faith.
Very nice. Clearly, all of these are just to keep honest men honest. A determined thief knows what to look for, and will be able to defeat these locks.
Also, first. :)
At a lock manufacturer's trade conference in Dallas a few years ago, the CEO of a well known lock company said to me "Out locks are just to keep the honest honest". So you're exactly right.
What the f... Why do You even say a thing like that!! Do You know??
I guess the point is not to make your bike impossible to steal, just more difficult to steal than the one next to it ;)
The point isn't to make it impossible to steal. If someone wants it bad enough they'll wait til you unlock it, get on, then brain you from behind, take it, and the keys.
I'm addicted to your videos
Don’t worry. That’s perfectly normal. 😋
It's really all about having the right tools for the right job and when it comes to getting the job done sometimes you gotta improvise,adapt and overcome. Great job!! Use the force lol
So true!
"Give me a long enough lever and a place to stand, and I shall move the Earth". Looks like the lock body is sintered metal, not surprised it folded like a cheap suit.
Extractor + an 18v impact driver would be a fast way to deal with these locks
Nice Clear and beautiful voice over too.
Awesome... now I've got to choose a bike..
You, sir, are a destructive genius.
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1:45
ScewSHREPTS
😂❤️❤️ Love your videos man
That's a nice spread!
Excellent as always. Imagine how quick the thief could get in with a battery operated impact gun!!
But the noise!
Your videos are awesome!
Thanks.
You can see from the quality of the CASTING that you could break that with a few hammer hits.
Also to fight against that attack they could make the pin engage in the other side and turn to strengthen it so it won't bend open as easily.
lockpickinglawyer what would you say is the best disc brake lock to stop a motorcycle from being stolen ?? which one should i buy and what and lock and chain ? i would really appreciate your advice as you can make light work of these locks
THANKS great VIDEO
You are a clever man. Keep it up.
Thanks
Should show us a close up of the broken cross section. Would be interesting to see how much effort they put into their metal heat treatment
Imagine what you could do with the extractor and a battery powered impact. Loud, but quicker.
Thanks for helping people steel my bike.
Thieves already know how to steal bikes. I’m helping you make educated security decisions.
Wow. Easier than expected. At least with a disc lock if you live in an apartment or park your bike in an area with other close bikes it'll make a thief consider taking another bike that doesn't have one first.
Great video.
Amazingly simple
That's the first MasterLock I've seen with a somewhat decent core, other than that LOTO lock maybe.
Very clever !
Most bike thieves don't bother with things like beating a lock. If it's chained or locked, they just find one that isn't and throw it into a van. Takes way less time than breaking a lock. Bike locks are mostly a deterrent, they won't stop anyone who actually wants a particular bike.
nothing really stopping you throwing a locked bike in a van
Nice one, im off to steal some bikes. Cheers!
It's interesting that the lock manufacturers don't seem interested in making their locks secure. A simple cam on the opposite side of the hasp would have stopped the spreading.
I'm sure others have mentioned this but you're supposed to put the lock bolt inside one of the cross drilled holes on the rotor. If installed in a difficult position, you shouldn't have room to throw an extractor in like that. Plus you will have the brake calipers on the rotor as well, so this really isn't a real world scenario.
What you said makes no sense. First, this one is NOT designed to go through the holes. The bolt is too big, and will not fit. Second, if you could get it through the hole, the position would make it EASIER to open. Third, the caliper in no way interferes with this.
A wedge and a screw combined! Woo simple machines!
A log splitter was my first thought... but most are too big, and all are silly expensive. Then I realized I had something that would work already!
Don’t forget about the lever... three simple machines working together. 👍
The bit is binding ... and we’ve got this one open 😁
Thanks to you I have several new motorcycles, HUGE THANKS!
Looks like a gap big enough for the extractor has to be there for this to work. When I fit my disk lock to the back disk there is a flush fit with less than a couple mm gap. Larger gap when I use it on the front. There was an AMA with a former motorcycle thief on reddit who said if it took more than 15 seconds to steal a bike he'd move on. I would guess a thief with the wherewithal to use this method would probably not stick around long enough to use it. His biggest suggestion btw was to lock your forks. Breaking a fork lock is a pain in the ass, takes time, and usually multiple people.
You definitely need a gap ... if it fits perfectly, then a different exploit is needed.
Looked like Zinc. I'd love to see this attack on a similar lock made of hardened steel. Gloves, indeed!
The question is: who makes one of these types of locks that are NOT made out of pot metal?
I know, right? Having had a number of nice-to-awesome street bikes over the past few decades, all I can say is that I'm really glad I quit riding before the internet allowed for the creation of channels like this.
There’s the problem. Because of the complex shape of these locks, most of them are cast from zinc, or machined from aluminum.
THANKS. I never thought of that. Now, I can easily satisfy all those orders for "hot" bikes without messing with my pick.
Very cool. I believe the lock pin should actually lock in like the pin on the Packlock block lock type. It may help..
It might help, but not much until these are made of a tough hardened steel.
Nice PAIR of gloves you got there Lawyer
They generally don’t work well as bold extractors because they spread out the bolt and lock it in the hole
It looks like the first one was trashed the second one looks an awful lot better but either way you get a free jail cell and a motorcycle for as long as you can keep it
It’s cast, maybe it would work better if they made it out a high strength steel either way they don’t wanna see LPL getting his hands on it
Love the content thank you
That's just f-ing great. Now I need to worry about my bike too. 😢
With all the trips to the hardware store, you think he'd buy a cordless impact wrench.
A cordless impact driver would work, but they're kind of noisy and might draw attention to what you're doing. A ratchet is still pretty fast and a good deal more discrete, so I think it's more likely to be what a thief with any brains might use.
Dirk Stabins Just hold a rag/shirt etc over it for sound deadening, won't be running long enough to overheat, plus its stolen anyway so who cares. The dewalt cordless angle grinder is the thief's tool of choice here, doesn't matter how loud it is, who is going to challenge you? Yes, this is England so no guns and weak police/justice system.
I have one. But if I’m going to use power tools and make a ton of noise, then I’m taking out the angle grinder.
A thief wouldn't use an impact driver, it serves no purpose here. Much harder to carry, louder, and much less disposable. There's very little time advantage once you consider the size of an impact and therefore the time to pull it out and put it away before riding off
watch kasper car that thief documentry
Considering the time needed and effort, just unbolting the disc is most liekly going to do fine too.
Inserting one tool is harder than removing the whole wheel and then the disc? Seriously?
Great idea
Is there always going to be sufficent room when attached to an actual bike, to get a bolt extractor in though? Surely it is designed to fit right down over the disc?
I used a bolt/screw extractor to get a stripped screw out of my bicycle front derailleur. It worked after drilling a pilot hole. Because screw was in a well and didn't come out other side, no other way.
I wonder if an impact driver could give you enough torque and speed to break that open in seconds rather than a minute. Either way, I love the out of the box thinking you bring to your attacks.
If I’m going to make that much noise, and use power tools, I’ll just get an angle grinder.
Every lock company ever when seeing these videos, "am I a joke to you?"
Considering the cast material, I wonder if it would just be easier to use a prybar. If a thief is just going to roll it off, minor rotor damage wouldn't really be a concern to them.
A pry bar might result in rotor warpage or other damage. That’s why I didn’t try.
2:27 In actual use, the lock pin would be through one of the vent holes in the disk, not how you have it mounted (there would be a hub in that section). Trying this method with the lock properly mounted to the rotor might make this even easier to accomplish.
An elegant attack.
If my bike gets stolen via this tutorial, expect a court case.
(arrggg, turns and heads down another isle in the department store)
I was so hoping to find another simple tool for defeating locks.
The lock cylinder is only as good as the lock body it is put in so this is good to know.
Is there any motorcycle locks you would recommend? I had two bikes stolen. Both had the locks cut open with a electric saw of some kind. Perhaps you try to test the Abus Detecto xplus 8077 I'm using at the moment?
The 8077 is super expensive! Not in the cards for now. Particularly for destructive testing.
Impressive. So obviously, this is rather a Break Lock than a Brake Lock 🙂
The way you say “screw threads” at 1:47 made me laugh out loud a few times. Love it.
Good to know if you loose your keys also good to know that nothing will stop a thief.
I am surprised to see that master lock made that out of cast aluminum. I would be interested to see if the same lock body made from cast iron could stand up to the same attack.
Another reason to avoid Master locks. Also, not all disc locks or brake discs allow for that extra room to put something in between it like that but that's beside the point. Good video.
They have been using claw hammers crowbars for years making noise..I'm shore all the bike owners will thank you for showing the crims how to do it silent..Good video
Usually they thank me for showing them how bad certain locks are, and helping them make better security decisions.
Those are some huge screw extractors.
The larger ones are for pipes when the threads break off in a fitting.
more good stuff!
Nice. I've been wondering how to get past these.