Operation Cobalt/ Sunset Protocol Explained | The Walking Dead Universe
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- Operation Cobalt is one of the most devastating events to happen in The Walking Dead Universe.
Today I take you through all phases of the operation, and the consequences it left behind. - Zábava
Correction- small mistake I noticed when watching this back, Martial law would’ve been declared on the night of august 27th, rather than the early hours
Ok
It’s ridiculous we haven’t gotten a show dedicated to the fall of civilization in the walking dead, we don’t need four post apocalyptic shows, it would be great if they made a show that focused on the fall, 3 episodes per group of people government, military, police, doctors,morticians, average people amidst the panic and chaos within the 2 weeks it took society to collapse, the weird news story’s of people attacking each other, people staring to loot and panic, realizing the lights won’t come back on, only to realize the dead are coming back to life, and if they bite you you turn into one of them… so many cool stories to tell and you could do it in like three episodes per group of people or individual. Shame they don’t focus on the early day of the outbreak.
Seriously. That’s what tales of twd should have been
Fear the Walking Dead started out that way but they fast forwarded to Operation Colbalt and the fall by the end of season one. They should have
teased Colbalt coming over two seasons,then had the immediated post fall survival stories on the Abigail off the California coast and the Mexico story arch take up season 3.
Make the Otto Ranch story most of season 4 and bring in the Proctors.Season 5 should have been the Clarks and their allies waging a war with
the Proctors that would take events from California/Northern Mexico to Texas.
That is called lazy and uncreative show writing.
@@TheLAGopherright!??! When Chris says 'nine days since the lights went out' we said wait what!?! Its skipping past those first days!?! Just wrong
this comment is spot on 👍
I mean, the removing people for depression thing makes a ton of sense in-universe. If that depressed person kills themselves, then within a matter of minutes you could have a zombie outbreak in the middle of the "safe" zone.
That’s a valid reason, good call
Yea, and just in general, they can be dangerous tbh. Maybe it isn't ethical, but it's reasonable
@@TrePrincelike the Israeli Government?
@@thatarsebye bye Palestine
@@thatarse Anddd you people always bringing palestine into shit it doesnt have to be
they doomed themselves big deal, cant expect an attack against israel to have a different result than any of the other ones over the years
" i saw the lights go out on the world 3 days before my scheduled re entry , a dramatic show , i speak to you from my grave " comosnaut valery vishenco .
What's sad tho is that not only did he witness the world go dark , but he also witnessed the world burn due to the bombings .
He would have witnessed a lot more.The one part World War Z is definitely impressive.Why I would love to see a tales from Walking Dead set on the Iss.Same for what would it be like for the Navy.Would they be called in or still be out to sea.
@@anthonykrutis490 did you see Dead in the Water? Cool version of events on a nuclear sub.
This was already covered in WWZ (not the totally shite film).
Where did the picture of the fesr the walking dead family with a military soldier in camp of tenta come from? And the information and picture of lincoln nebrasca?
Detroit would've been bombed but the military couldn't tell the difference.
Detroit isn’t that bad
@ryanxx24 it's worse....
Have you seen Scary Movie 4? They spoof on War of the Worlds and there's a scene where they show Detroit on fire, gunshots and sirens, that sort of thing.
Then she says "Here's Detroit after the attack."
And they just show exactly the same clip but there's a Tripod walking through exactly the same circumstance. 😂
I live by detroit and its just an overdone meme. All of America is a dumpster fire. Your whole country is a laughing stock. 3rd world country.
@@combatwombat2134 The Scary Movie series of movies were hilarious.
Damn the Knox infection is crazy man, hopefully Louisville isn’t too bad.
Brother
project zomboid reference
haha my man out ere with the Project Zomboid Reference
Don't be ridiculous. The Knox Infection is contained.
The Knox Infection has ALWAYS been contained.
Well I guess the government is in the bunkers and s***f****** female federal prisoners in return if they want to survive blah blah blah. Play it reminds me of that short-lived TV series with Luke Perry in which he played a child of immune to the virus here comes the government coming out of their bunkers and s*** wearing hazmat suit telling the crowd that this is no legal gathering blah blah blah the United States government hasn't been heard of for almost 3 years and now all of a sudden the United States government is back as soon as they tried to assemble and start a brand new government in a football stadium believable.
Military: lets destroy cities just so the world looks like a cool zombie environment
Self-inflict genocide for the ⭐ A e s t h e t i c ⭐
Guy: hey is that a-
*Kaboom*
So you’re telling me, only troops from pennsylvania decided that mass killing non infected civilians through the country is not a good thing? Nah I guarantee there would be more refusing blatant orders like that.
Edit: This is based off my personal experience while serving, and everyone in had the same opinion on going against doing these types of acts in these fake scenarios.
Edit 2: I'm happy I created discord from this comment. Lots of hot takes mostly coming from none servicemembers putting their two cents in something they never experienced, or been through.
yea probably from commonwealth, portland, campus colony, and omaha
Good soldiers follow orders, private?
He never said he was the only one. But it's clear the city of Philadelphia is probably the most succesful community in the USA since the apocalypse started. I doubt there is any other group as large as the Civic Republic.
@@Thesolegod Greater ones follow the right ones.
My guess is that lots of other military groups did do this. If so, I’m guessing that the main reasons they’re gone now would be that they either had too many people to keep under control, too small of a population to sustain themselves, had leadership that was unwilling to sacrifice morals for survival, had leadership that was unable to sustain order, or these groups were just not strong enough to resist other factions like the crm.
Anybody interested in how a competent government would tackle a zombie apocalypse should read World War Z (not the movie). They literally moved everything they could to remote locations in safe zones and built up a new industry to fight back - abandoning survivors to fend for their own and to act as bait in order to relieve the safe zone. It's written and described really realistically.
Remember though they had a competent president who held the entire thing together his choice to push forward against all advice was pivotal
I'd hardly call World War Z realistic. The battle of yonkers in particular was atrocious
@@katiacritten9975 that was the whole point, that's fairly standard for our Army, we very much are as a country are built around knock out wins and Shock and Awe. they have a whole part dedicated about the realistic tole of getting our asses handed to us.
@Godzilla-sp9ew the whole point can be wrong. The book explicity lays the defeat at the feet of "cold warrior" generals who tried to fight the engagement like the zombies were soviets invading Western Europe.
To Max Brooks I guess that means "one static line of defense where we start shooting when the enemy is in visual range of the infantry. With one minute of artillery ammo and a single salvo of MLRS rockets"
The US strategy against the USSR in the cold war would have been fantastic against zombies. It was focused around multiple established defensive positions that get withdraw and reinforce the one behind it once the enemy gets too close. Except when it comes to zombies then they wouldn't even have to worry about hostile air power or enemy armor or artillery deployed minefields and shit.
The US army is built for shock and awe and knockout victories? Alrighty then, why the hell was their *only* axis of attack the force in yonkers that only engaged when the infantry could see the zombies? The horde stretched from yonkers to time square, why were there not constant A10 strafing runs of that horde? Why were there not flights of AC130s drive bying the horde with a guns? Why were there no B52s dropping topography changing levels of ordinance?
And don't even get me started on the ridiculous claim that the igniting car gas tanks caused a ludicrous increase in lethality such to the point that the artillery guns and MLRS systems became basically useless without them. Max Brooks wants to talk about "steel rain", that's what the Iraqi army called the shells from the M270. Those things explode and then kick out a 33.5 meter tungsten blizzard from hell. Nothing human adjacent is walking through that.
And on the topic of the infantrymen. The whole "you can't just expect someone to pull of perfect headshots after training them to go for the body all this time." thing is ridiculous. If they knew they had to shoot for the head, they'd shoot for the head. In Afghanistan in 2004 the US was being investigated for war crimes because international observers kept finding headshot insurgents and thought the US was executing POWs. Turns out that lots of times that was all the insurgent showed, so that's what got shot.
TLDR: Max Brooks didn't know what the hell he was talking about, a lot of people assume he did and treat it like legitimate insightful criticism of the military, and it really gets my goat.
@katiacritten9975 that concluding point also becomes apparent when you read his zombie survival guide and get to the part on guns. Its factual accuracy on the nature of firearms is...bad, to put it politely
I never understood how the walkers have stayed kicking around for decades. Flies would have eaten them to the bone in a couple of weeks.
To be fair, they are kinda just walking skeletons by season 6 lol
Doesnt the virus slow down decomposition?
@alexstrejc3004 I don't know how a virus can stop a maggot from having a meal
@blackaddam9033 it's made up to explain stuff in that universe they are decaying slower. Scientists said if zombies ever existed they'd be gone in 1 year.
Same goes for how fuel is still around too but who cares zombies arent real either
This was a good video! I liked how Operation Cobalt was played out in the shows especially Fear The Walking Dead. I also liked how Okafar went into detail on his involvement. Thank you for this video!
Okafor Is technically the only character to appear in every main show except daryl Dixon (cuz we see atlanta, LA and Lincoln being bombed which technically as he said he was a part of)
Weed 😂
honestly Cobalt would have worked if they had been serious about it and destroying the zombies. Instead, they were trying to keep the cities intact and magically kill the zombies. impossible. Those major cities would need to be leveled, zero life to save the country and the survivors. I would have sent in teams to gather the resources for life as best it could be, gathered survivors and evacuated. Then take it all down. that would have wiped out major zombie populations and buildings can be rebuilt. Okafor's decision is the heavyweight champ of stupidity. There were so many other ways to achieve the same outcome and keep our soldiers alive. sigh.
Remember, if the government and military did what they would competently do IRl, we wouldn't have a show.
@@GeneralPhanter fair comment
@carlosjaundoo3188 also Okafor was with the US Air force and not the crm at the time , so it wasn't his overall decision but the presidents he was acting on orders til the unfortunate downfall of his wife and defied orders to bomb the rest of the cities he was told to bomb. If I remember correctly
God i hate seeing extreme government ineptitude in these fictional apocalyptic stories.
Might be the most realistic part of the series though
In stories like 28 days later and sprinting infected sure, I can understand, but TWD ? The country spending the highest millitary spending in the world would fail against slow shambling ones ? Ok clearly there's panic in the first days/ week, but I feel they could actually fight back
@@sylvananas7923 That's how it went down in World war z there was panic at the start, the military learned a harsh lesson but eventually the surviving countries adapted and began to retake their countries. Slow-moving zombies are not much of a threat once you get past the initial stages. Fast runners are much better for a story if you want the world to go to hell and not recover, for example in the series dead set the writers went with fast zombies as they were the only way Britain would be overrun so quickly.
It's been called grimderp, from 40k where new writers would come and explain how things are only bad because the people in charge are uniformly stupid. Appropriate here too.
@@jakkuhl6223 40k writing is terrible
The video left out that P.A.D.R.A was also put into motion after Colbalt as a means to preserve the Federal Government and had both a US Senator and a US Army General involved in setting it up.
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There’s gotta be some people in one of those super bunkers. Imagine if a bunch of big politicians were revealed to be alive at some point. It would make sense and make some great conflicts
Potential spoiler: It sounds like N.O.A.H. is a reference to Justin Cronin's The Passage trilogy. In that trilogy of novels, the origins of the apocalypse begins with a secret government project called Project Noah, which administered an altered virus to inmates in an attempt to achieve some form of immortality. Of course, it backfired, and created horrendous zombie/vampire-like human hybrids.
Though they actually succeeded with Amy right before the Twelve and Zero escaped.
Kinda wish Okafors would of survived.The president would of went to Cheyenne mountain or other hardened bunkers across the us .
It's more likely Oahu considering the 7th Fleet, 3rd Marine Division, 25 ID and all the support behind them. More than enough to defend the island if you include the Hawaii Guard, and every other unit in the Pacific being pulled back
I find it much more interesting how the electric cars and new charging stations and models of vacuum robots from 2019 come into the series who produced them during the zombie apocalypse
This was so enjoyable dude. It’s nice to see a fan dive deep into the show. Subscribed
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed!
The Walking Dead: Chicago, would go crazy hard
@watchawantfool or The Walking Dead: New York - Big Apple at the first Days of the Outbreak, that must be the hell...😱
Chicago was close to being nuked. Wonder why Chicago specifically though maybe it's filled with Variants
@@StarmercGaming that’s what Tales Should have been about it should had shown the fall of different States like Texas New York Florida Illinois Arizona Nevada Oregon Michigan Alabama Mississippi Washington Oklahoma Kansas and Washington DC
@@Tejano12398 That would be epic. I wait since a long time for something like that. Maybe 2-4 Episodes about different Cities & different Persons. For exampel: Washington DC - 2 Episodes about a Capitol Police Officer, 2 Episodes about an Nurse. And then the Series switch to another City & show us 2 another Characters.
Can’t help but think about O Block walkers
In Max Brooks Zombie Survival Guide (might've been WWZ I forget), the military actually effectively used safe-zones to buy time to set up what was essentially the maginot line in the rocky mountains. These safe zones were not expected to ride out the zombie apocalypse. However they were decently supplied and armed. The survivors in these zones attracted and concentrated hordes. This has 2 benefits, the 1st being that the survivors would thin out the hordes and the second is that it more or less keeps hundreds of thousands or potentially millions of zombies still while they try to breach the safe zones. The man who thought of this was controversial in universe because while it WORKED and bought time for the military to recall and gather it's resources, it came at the cost of using civilians and soldiers alike as human bait who were mostly left to die.
It was a guy in South Africa in World War Z.
Yep im subscribing to you! These types of videos about the walking dead is what I love to watch. The ominous vibe makes it even more intriguing 😌
This is Great! Excellent explanation, Thank you. Your videos are so good! I am now going to rewatch all with my roomates!!😆👍
I would love to see an AU where operation cobalt never happened and to see if most of infrastructure remained intact how different that would make things for the post apocalypse..
Navy personnel are Sailors not Marines. Noticed that in the Texas nuke zones video too
Yes thank you for the correction, sometimes my wires get crossed when writing on American Armed Forces as I am Canadian, but I’ll double check my scripts in the future
Soo I think that a dedicated series around the early days/months years would just show how easy it is to repel the walkers.
It would show how much panic there was. Same as the LA Riots in Fear The Walking Dead.
ive been binging all your videos thank you for these!
Thanks for watching!
Well they failed because the soldiers got trained at the stormtrooper academy
good vid man keep it up
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I want to say thank you. Thank you for making such great walking dead story arc videos. Ive watched everyone of them over the last couple days and they are magnificent! As someone who has been watching faithfuly since episode#1 all those years ago, and has watched the series and spin-offs in their entirety at least 4 times throughout the years, I absolutely loved these vids! This has been an entertaining trip down memory lane for sure. To re-live some of my favorite story arcs in the way you've put them together has been an entertaining viewing experience! I know its hard work but please man, keep making these for all significant story arcs in TWD universe. Id love to see you weave some arcs together between shows and tell the larger overarching story between them while filling in time jumps. I do not usually leave comments complementing the channel creator of vids like this, but in this case I absolutely had to give you your flowers. 👏 👏 WELL DONE! Youve done something really great here! I've liked your vids and subscribed to your channel. I will recomend your channel and vids. I'll also share them in the appropriate places to try and drive some views and subs your way. Thanks again man!
great stuff dude
Napalm is a pretty stupid weapon to use. A large portion of victims would be from asphyxiation, not burning, letting them reanimate intact. Furthermore, even if you were directly burnt, you would just reanimate as a burnt walker like those walkers who reanimated on burnt buses or torched cars.
Couldve used white phosphorus
Keep it up man
honestly this whole situation could have been pretty reasonable dealt with, the main issue was the initial surprise by the infection, but after a few days of chaos they should have been able to get clear guidelines on how to deal with infected and more importantly how to prevent infection. like by the end of the month the military would mainly have to be used to remove what few hordes appeared and most people would learn to tie up a zombie and call the cops or some new organization for removal, while hospitals and late stage care facilities would have safety measures enacted.
It's a combination of the dead and the panicked living that caused the downfall. Living were keeping everyone distracted while the dead just got larger in population
I’ve never heard the radio wave thing before that’s dopeeeeeee
Thank you that was pretty well explained
You broke that down very well. Great video bro
Thanks mate!
Thank you for the vid nice
dudee whats crazy is the fall of the world is on my brithday august 27th, 2006 i would have been 4 years old when the wildfire virus spread i dont know what i would have done or if i would have even remember it yet alone the cobalt/ sunset protocal bombings imagine being a kid in that....
Dude my birthday was in September 10 2010 when operation Cobalt ended I was born in September 10 2003
My biggest question is what happened in Hawaii, its a state that while fairly densely populated is spread out among several islands and has one of the largest contingent of US troops of basically anywhere. On top of that with a lot of it being navy, even if the main population centers fell I feel like pockets would last and since it would likely be a main staging ground of any US troops pulled out of Asia would continue to receive large amounts of fresh troops and supplies that would let them take back the islands (at least most of them) and quite possibly create the strongest remaining group of basically anywhere.
Same question here. We also have to include Guam and Pearl Harbor
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It's also likely that the President was evaced there considering that fact. Oahu specifically has Fort Shafter, Wheeler Army Airfield, Schofield Barracks, Pearl, Marine Corps Hawai'i and dozens of National Guard armories. I'm willing to bet that it is either still standing or fell within like a wekk
one interesting thing to note is that in season 2 episode 8 of the original show some people in bar said they came from philly
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I'd love to see an explanation of what caused the Wildfire virus.
They never flat out explain it in the comics.
But it was hinted to have been a some kind of space plauge.
Twd world beyond and daryl dixon explains
how it happened , it started in france in a biotech lab , apparently wildfire was originally planned to be some sort of genetic modified virus or organism that would make humans stronger ( basically trying to create a super soldier ) , it was a collab between the CDC and INSERM ( france's version of the CDC).
Glad Philly survived but it's still bad luck for the rest of us on the other side of PA. It's odd that folks on submarines got infected if they've been under for a while. These lost safe zones feel a lot like the ones in The Last of Us.
Id love to see you make a video about the rest of the world mainly France, Russia, China (China is mentioned in the webisode Cold Storage and in the comic universe theres a book about China), Spain (also mentioned in the comics), South Africa and the UK. and you could also theorise on which countries would have likely survived such as Switzerland, Ireland etc countries which would be easy to defend. Its a question i get asked often in walkign dead related content so it would probably do quite well
Mexico was in fear
There is no book about china. Only about spain.
@@leonidaspereirafilho499 TWD Typhoon is about China
@@topsdaily_productionsOh wow, I feel stupid, Im sorry, I honestly did not know about that. I knew there were the books about the government (prequels and sequels) but I didnt know about this book about china. Thank you.
The only country I could legit see surviving is Australia. Not because everything is trying to kill you, but because they practically tamed the land in terms of figuring out how to survive. I also like the idea of saltwater Crocs doing their thing to walkers
well this could not be a national thing but rather state by state but the whole thing makes no real sense as its the last legal order and then America is run by your local negan
Of all the “safe zones” that were made I’m shocked we didn’t see one like Jackson from TLOU universe. Extremely high natural walls that can be pushed down by dead in the middle of large open area so anyone coming (good or bad)could be seen from a mile or so out.
What about alexandria , hilltop or ocean side ? They were gated communities with Electricity , water , food and meds , then they were annexed by the commonwealth , and people in the commonwealth live how they used to before the outbreak and maintained democracy .
I’m going to guess that the series finale of all three spinoffs are going to end with everyone being aware of the CRM and waging war. Then, there might be an AMC movie where everyone goes to war. Just my thoughts.
Doubt it
Riding on zombies
Who knows how big the herds would be had they not dropped the bombs.
Reason why it was done.
Hey man, i saw this idea on a fallout video, he basically did a entire history, well what he knew of each state in that universe, do you think it would be possible for one to be done for TWD? I mean it would be quite easy for states like Georgia or Texas, but we dont know a lot about most of the country.
I’m definitely looking to move into content discussing the state of specific places in the country!
I did one on New York City about a week ago, and I’m currently working on one discussing the current state of Texas, but I’ll definitely consider doing a lightning round type video on all 50 states!
@@Swell-Films Yep, you could include notable characters from those states, notable events, etc, i think it would be cool.
You could use the map from the ones who live intro to give some background aswell especially as the nuke map is shown
I was only a tiny little 6 year old when Operation Cobalt commenced and idk what I would’ve done. I would’ve probably got bit by a walker and turned or died in the bombings. Thank goodness something like this can’t happen irl. Great video and it was very informative!!
If you lived in Georgia at the time, there will be chances that you would be friends with Carl Poppa and become the gingerbread boy that he hurt
Honestly i say military failed because plot armor protected zombies
No it was because zombies doesn’t exist in the TWD Universe
Wait, N.O.A.H. could relate to Noah's Ark and the helicopters could possibly relate to that but a huge naval ship could also be out in the pacific surviving out there
Operation cobalt ended right on my birthday Sep 10 2010 0:24 😢 I was like 8 years old in 2010
Happened 6 days before my 7th birthday too, would've been a scary time to be a kid
@@bladepvpz3015 I was living in Mexico at the time but my dad was living in Texas
Yeah I was 7 that would be scary for any child
@@xxbluecolt420xx2 am sacred on what happened to my dad since teddy launched the Missiles and Destroyed Half of Texas and I still don’t know if he survived the beginning of the apocalypse in 2010
@@xxbluecolt420xx2 honestly I feel bad for the 2010 generation since they never got to see modern technology or social media apps nor the classes of 2010
Regan warned us
Did everyone know that nobody truly died and everyone become walkers? Or we’re the trying to disintegrate everyone so no more walkers would be created?
0:31 A new day arises. Zelda majoras mask sound
Frank Darabont should've never been fired, the show could've thrived for a little while longer before turning into the mess it is now.
On twitter years ago, the creator of twd said that the cause of the virus was alien spore
I like to imagine that many other State NG's defied orders as well. There were some Walking Dead Webisodes from a decade ago about a woman going around the country interviewing people, and there were these two folks that met eachother in Little Rock and traveled out of there. In their interview they never mentioned anything like Cobalt's bombings, so I imagine that the Feds just plumb forgot about that place or the Arkansas NG refused to carry out the orders
I'm curious about Colorado Springs and Cheyenne Mountain. Surely the CRM has tried to reclaim such places ?
Right!
We keep hearing about the federal government making these calls. We have to have them included in the show. Where are they staying ? Do they have bunkers ?
operations cobalt would've been the first thing they do
imagine had they kept the military outside to wait until the fire died down
then commence operation hades
marching through streets by streets taking out any that survive
infected or not within larger city
using every weapons avaliable on hands
estimated to last 120 days or less depending on population level
There'd be no need to burn the cities. Zombies come towards you, making no move to hide
You make great content dude
The fact that Pamela is the daughter of the US president, do you think Pamela might get her redemption arc? Looking at Negan now, maybe it seems inevitable that someone from the Commonwealth might play a key role in fighting the CRM. It appears that CRM has a history with the US president…
Barack Obama was president at the time
the military was more or less pretending and had the mentality the zombies were some kind of enemy that planned and held territory. and that civilians could "defect" and were a liability in the fight somehow. they definitely weren't conscious of that fact but with how draconian they were for literally no reason at all shows they were operating like its a military occupation by a foreign power.
What background music did you use for this video.
All my music comes from the CZcams audio library.
I believe the tracks used in this video are,
Caverns - Density & Time
&
No.8 requiem - Esther Abrami
Fun fact! Despite no wildfire virus, Phoenix is still full of zombies
What music is that in 11:06.
Bro I am literally behind on Fear The Walking Dead and The Walking Dead World Beyond not ez for me but dang
What happened with the nuclear plants?
Its really devastating
I feel bad for the 2010 Generation
Whatever happened to then folks in that prison? I remember aome old dude one eye joe or something riding up in a tank.
How long does it take for an infected to die? How do they keep living?
Shooting survivors is so dumb. It was only to do was to create an air of mistrust in the show.
You mentioned how North America had been overrun. Do we know if this outbreak spread across the globe or no? (Cuz I don't remember any mention of this topic)
Yes we know for a fact the virus went global.
Evident from season 1 episode 6, where dr. Jenner tells the group the French we’re the last country to hold out before going silent.
In fear season 3 (I believe) Victor strand talks to a Russian cosmonaut who claims to be watching the whole world burn.
And of course, the daryl Dixon show, which takes place in France.
@@Swell-Films you should do a video about the Fall of Mexico since Mexico was in fear the Walking dead it’s still unknown if Mexico City Fell to the Dead it’s likely that Mexico fell but since Mexican Cities Didn’t get bomb or evacuated it’s possible that there could be survivors in Mexico there’s no mention on what happened to the President of Mexico
In comic universe of TWD, Spain and Europe, Japan, Korea and China got affected by apocalypse as shown in Mobile Games and Novel
When did they say it was in August? Is that in the new show?
World beyond reveals the outbreak started august 25th, going by the fear timeline operation cobalt started 2 days later.
Thing I don't quite get... We've seen NYC and ATL post Cobalt. From the looks of it, huge areas are left unscathed... so Cobalt was a big flop pretty much. In my demented mind, my portly little doppleganger Tobias survived Cobalt and built a thriving community on Terminal Island at the Port of Los Angeles... who knows, with Maddie and Alicia heading back to LA, maybe we'll find out 🙂
The producers back in 2015 or 2016 , when fear was getting aired, confirmed that Tobias survived the L.A bombings , however, we havent heard from him since then ,another character presumed to be alive too is Alex, the asian girl from flight 462 , she just left in a boat and we havent seen her since .
@@antoniocarlosoliveira9146 She was still off the coast of CA, maybe her and Tobias are running a thriving little seaside community 🙂 Another character from the early shows I'd liked to have seen pull thru it Doc Exner. Her fate as well was kinda left up in the air, even though it was suggested she checked out... I'm still butthurt that a show with so much potential was intentionally destroyed.
Fear the Walking Dead S1 had to try so hard to make the walkers seem like a threat but it just fails. These things barely walk and we have more guns than people in the US. I just can't believe the mechanized military or even civilian militias wouldn't be able to keep them from snow balling.
It's not just the dead that you have to compete with, it's the panic of the living. That's what caused a lot of problems for the military once you start noticing it. They had to split resources to keep civilians safe as well as eliminating the dead
I know what I’m asking is weird, but does napalm even kill walkers?
You need to damage their brains to kill them, so would it kill them?
I’m genuinely curious about this.
It would immobilize them at least by melting them to the ground if the force of the explosion didn't put them down first
Out of all places, how did multnomah County survive? Although back then downtown was a place I would love to hang out in Was a place I loved to visit. They could have at least destroyed Gresham in the show.
What I hate about apocalypse movies/series is the fact how plot assumes military command is completely dumb, with no combat experience or precise weaponry. They succumb to slow, stupid zombies. I'd gladly see a movie where a zombie outbreak is succesfully stopped, with the story focusing on personal tragedy of the people involved in the area.
Shaun of the Dead.
World War Z books
@@olafjansowidz World War Z was laughed by most military because it didn't portray high command accurately. Some aspects were right like making everybody wear MOPP gear, but most of it was grossly inaccurate
@@FA_Horus whatever nerd
@@olafjansowidz Yes, I am a nerd. No, I will never be ashamed of it
Fozie: curtain call!
Watching all this (off topic)
Why is there not a fallout styled walking dead game lol im washing dishes listening to this and just has me thinking be an amazing survival game! Love TWD
Hold up, im a "Philly Boul", how did philly make it thru the bombs or not get bombed? Its the 1st capital, strategic, and extremely armed
I think the mitary only bombed the cities they thought contained the most infected... they could not have wiped out the entire country so makes sense they would have decided to keep some cities intact to rebuild
That actually make sense.
Highest density and those that have international airports. Makes perfect sense for Atlanta, LA, New York, Chicago, Denver, Seattle, and all those that were mentioned. Only one that I legit want to know how it fell is Birmingham
I have a theory, in one of the TWD episodes a space vehicle crashed and Eugene used parts of it to fix the short wave radio. Was that the Russian that Strand was talking to?
I believe that was just a fallen satellite if I remember correct
TWD US Government had a worse idea than Vault Tec
Honestly the military shouldn’t have failed, the mass insubordination and disobeying direct orders is pathetic and starting a schism between the USMC and the Nation Guard was a utterly idiotic decision. Yeah killing civilians was also a fucked up bad idea but literally turning on the only people with the weapons and man power to fight the undead actually helped cause the undead to take over… AND creating things like the CRM and Commonwealth was stupid too, they essentially created their own “nations” and how they govern in their own image which includes kidnapping, murder, taking away human rights and free speech and so on rather then maintaining a pre apocalypse old world image and philosophy. Even just showing you are still the US military would prove to other survivors that what they did before the world fell was to help the majority of civilisation survive and did. If it wasn’t for the military clearing out the undead as best they could and bombing the cities the surviving settlements including Commonwealth and CRM WOULD have been overrun.
The only true "zombies vs the military" scenarios where shit will most likely have went down like if a apocalypse was to occur was during episodes in All Of Us Are Dead.
that spec ops scene was fire 🔥
Feels good to be in the far north. Just hold out till winter and zombies freeze
How would military would loose, sitting in a closed tank with a remotely operated machineguns on top? Like how do you loose that situation. Army in TWD was always dumb but they had to be
The more you explain the collapse of TWD setting the least sense it makes... Let it in darkness like the comics or make the Government Military take back control after a few years like in Worl War Z (whose zombies are quite similar to the TWD ones).
I agree tbh. Part of the reason it’s so messy is because there has been so many different creative minds at the helm over the years, everything from how the zombies behave, to how the world came to fall have been slightly changed over time.
To their credit, they do seem to be moving in a reclamation direction with the CRM which is nice
In the Comics the Commonwealth was on the way to reclamation, and by the end of the series the "Grimes Group" has indeed restablished the former USA on the east cost andbeyond, altough in a very precarioua manner and were going to contact a similar "statelet" in California and the surroounding area.
To be fair, society collapsing to zombies rarely makes sense in any store with that scenario. Even World War Z had to come up with convoluted reasons as to why zombies could somehow overrun people with tanks. Outside of an airborne or waterborne virus, zombies wouldn't pose much of a threat to any organized fighting force.
Wait what, how did submarines get infected?
They're some of the most isolated people on earth?
With most of the usa In this show, unfortunately they suffered from terrible writing lol
We need a battle droid 😀👍
laughable that slow moving zombies could take a military base out, 1 Abrams tank could do donuts and literally turn a million zombies to paste under its tracks auto grenade launchers could also defeat city sized hordes in a minute
Cry
Nice to know I'd be cool. I'm a stones throw from the PA national guard station.
The government and the military are so incompetent in this show😅
Out of all places, it's Philly to survive...
Operation Cobalt sounds like Complan 8888