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The Germans were actually pretty based about this as well. After the war we wrote to them and basically said "Hey we got this sub, we're going to put it in a museum but it's pretty beat up. Would you sell us some spare parts for it so we can fix it up a bit?" The German factories responded by sending a *complete* set of spares, *free of charge* saying back "That's *German engineering* , if people are going to see it then they're going to see it in *top shape* !" Which, under the circumstances is about the most gangster thing I think they could have done.
That tells you that these people who made the ship take serious pride in their machines; making a humble brag on how their submarine was good enough to steal and wanted to show why.
Not just that, they threw in a bunch of engineers to America to help fix it.
Sorry for double comment but had to look further into the incident. Lieutenant Albert David, the guy in charge of the first boarding party that closed the hatch, was awarded the Medal of Honor, the only one awarded to the Atlantic fleet. Commander Gallery would receive a Distinguished Service Medal and the whole taskforce got a Presidential Unit Citation.
Oh dude NICE
Double commenting only helps the engagement of his videos comment away my friend😂
After the war, the remaining ships of the German Navy were supposed to be divided between the USA, Great Britain and the USSR. The Russians found out about the U-505 and demanded to know why it wasn't on the list of surrendered German ships that they had a partial claim to. To which the USA basically said, "F*ck off! It isn't listed as a ship which 'surrendered' after the war because we captured it in 1944 and we're keeping it!"
That is so awesome 😂
I'm no military guy but one thing I do know explosions are scary as shit underwater.
Because water is incompressible.
Boss the Engima machine that Turing had for decoding was acquired from a different U-boat, U-110 captured by the Royal Navy on May 9th, 1941 during Operation Primrose.
The real worry about if the news of the capture of the sub got wasn’t about the Germans thinking we could read their code, we had already cracked it thanks to the Turing Bomb, but that D-Day was coming up and the Allies didn’t want the Germans to redesign the machine we’d already cracked right when we needed the intercepts the most. Sure with the Turing Bomb it could be cracked again but the longer they keep using the same machines the better.
So a little bit about the Enigma part. While it was an absolute game changer what Turing and the Ultra group did for cracking Enigma... what they cracked was the original 3-wheel variant. What these guys recovered was a 4-wheel variant used explicitly by the German Navy, which was not part of the original design. Back in 1940, the HMS Bulldog had significantly damaged U-110, and after that U-boat crew's failed attempt to scuttle the boat, an intact Enigma and its codebooks had been recovered. While the German High Command itself was thoroughly convinced that Enigma was unbreakable and continued to use the 3-wheel variant for the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe, the German Navy wasn't so sure and developed a method to incorporate a 4th cypher wheel into the machine. This made the German Navy's encrypted transmissions nearly impossible to break... until U-505 got taken, and we got a look at the new design of the system and, more importantly, got our hands on their codebooks. Which means we didn't need to break a damned thing, so long as they thought their keys were uncompromised.
Reason #1 why COMSEC as a discipline is so freaking important.
After the war the remaining ships of the German Navy were supposed to be divided between the USA, Great Britain and the USSR. The Russians found out about the U-505 and demanded to know why it wasn't on the list of surrendered German ships that they had a partial claim to. To which the USA basically said, "F*ck off! It isn't listed as a ship which 'surrendered' after the war because we captured it in 1944 and we're keeping it!"
I can understand why they brought the photographer. If they weren’t able to recover the sub, they’d at least have photos of the instrumentation, possibly documents, and equipment in the sub.
And proof that they *tried.*
CORRECT. Even if they couldn't save the sub, there's valuable information to be gained on the inner-workings. The Germans made some high-quality shit and the Allies, while pretty much destined to win, still needed every advantage they could get in order to end the war sooner.
Fun fact: Despite the order to turn over any souvenirs from the sub, the photographer kept one: The German Captain's sidearm which was found in his office.
@@launcesmechanist9578 Yeah, I'm betting he isn't the only one who kept a souvenir.
He got a new video came out yesterday. About a old man versus 700 British.
Being from Chicago originally, I knew the U boat was there, but didn't know how or why until recently. I intend to check it out the next time I end up going back.
*Do that!* I was in Chicago once and the U-boat just happened to be closed. Still got to see the outside of it and they had a mock-up of part of the interior that I walked through, but it would've been *so cool* to actually go inside.
@brigidtheirish Well there's a diesel submarine at a museum near me that I got to sleep on back when I was in the cub scouts. Even as a kid it was pretty cramped. Not sure if they still do that nowadays. 🤷♂️
@@dcohen1359 battleship new jersey sells tickets to have overnight stays I mean if you ever wanted to sleep in an Iowa class battleship...
@@dcohen1359 Yeah. Submarines are not for the claustrophobic.
Crew member: Sir the Americans have spotted us!
Captain: Prepared to ... why do I hear music?
American Hunter Killer group: Pirates of the Caribbean theme intensifys!
Enigma was bad, but I love that we used Navajo Code Talkers. A language that has never been written down and only native speakers know it. I always loved that story. That and Americans using pig-latin with one another (assuming they might be overheard) b/c even those who knew English as a 2nd language couldn't translate it fast enough in their head to figure it out. My granddad told me that one.
I actually went to Chicago and saw the ship a few months ago, they have a whole tour of the inside of the ship you can take that tells the story and gives a bunch of more information on the mission and conditions of living in a U-boat. They also have a bunch of fake noises, lights, and views that you might see had it been an active U-boat to immerse yourself inside of it.
It’s definitely worth the money if you ever stop my Chicago to the Museum. (The Museum itself if also really cool as well.)
My wife is from the Chicago area and has been there on school trips. I plan to make it a stop if we ever go there
I live in the Chicago suburbs but I haven't done the actual tour yet. Definitely bumping that hire up on the todo list.
Not only was U-505 captured while the German skipper was unconscious, when he awoke, it was June 7th, 1944...the day after D-Day. He lost his boat, Germany lost the Atlantic Wall.
i always knew we got the machine but his video was how I learned we stole the ship as it was sinking and that's how we got it. school never teaches the cool stuff Q~Q
I know right?!
As a Navy guy, I'm sure you enjoyed the shit outta this one.
By the way, loved the fact that you basically advertised TFE's merch. That's super cool of you, yo.
Edit: Also, your elaboration on the actual nature of depth charges was a great addition. I _kinda_ knew how they worked, but my main assumption was that the shock wave was the most damaging aspect. Now I know better. Thanks for that :D
this is some epic JOHN PAUL JONES level of coolness history can be fun sometimes instead of horrifying.
John Paul Jones was a fightin' man. A fightin' man was he~. He sailed to the east and he sailed to the west and he helped set America free.
History is horrifying when it's happening to you, but learning about it is fun
FYI. Multiple enigma machines were captured. The first I believe was when the Brits made a raid on Norway. I do know that later Germany made it more complicated and I'm not sure if this was the only newer one we got. Otherwise, it may have just been significant because we didn't get the other one, Britain did. And although we were allies, it doesn't mean they're going to share necessarily everything, just enough to win the war. :)
This sub capture actually pissed off the British. They'd borken Enigma years before, and were furious that the US risked alerting the Germans to it.
Out of I believe 6 enigmas captured the Brits got like 5 and the Americans 1. U-571 is a fictional tale about that operation. Funny enough it pissed the British off because it was an American movie portraying the ONE successful American operation.
The very first Enigma machine captured was by the Poles from an embassy before the war started. When war started the Poles at great sacrifice made sure the machine got to France and then Great Britain along with as many cryptanalysts they could. Though Poland was occupied for 5 years no one told the Germans OR the Soviets that the machine had been captured.
@@willarth9186 Good point. I had forgotten about that. Shouldn't forget the Poles.
Let me just say right now, in my mind it doesn't matter who made the enigma machine, the person/people who designed it in the first place were geniuses with how simple they made it to use while also getting it to make such thoroughly scrambled ciphertexts.
Cryptography/Cryptology is a huge fascination of mine, and I think one of my favorite things I ever learned about the enigma machine was the way they first cracked the cipher, before they used...other common phrases of the time.
Apparently, at the start of WWII and for at least a couple years, the Germans started every message with a repeated sequence of three random letters. Because of that, it was pretty easy to work out how to set up the machine to decrypt the ciphertext. They literally said, "Man, this thing sure is random, let's go ahead and take some of that randomness out so our men can decrypt these messages faster" and it took them at least two years before they realized, "Oh crap, everyone we're fighting discovered our secret shortcut, now we have to actually use it properly!"
Phenomenal device. Just not properly used, which gave an important edge to everyone else.
It also didn't help that it could not encode a letter as itself. Removing one letter from the alphabet drastically reduces the possible permutations. It's still super-human to decode it, but one little string of information about a cypher's weakness is all a room full of geniuses needs to unravel it.
@chrismaverick9828 Very true, very true. I mean, some other features they added compensated for that weakness admirably, but most of those involved the construction of bigger machines with more rotating wheels. It happened once for sure during the war, and IIRC another wheel addition was in the works when Germany surrendered. But imagine if someone tried a miniaturized enigma style machine today, where something of equal size could house dozens of rotating wheels and a Unicode keyboard with characters for multiple languages. Maybe even add in a couple other big concepts in code making on top of that, like running a ciphertext back through the machine a second time, a third, fourth, fifth, 30th time.
But back to your point, yes, even the loss of one possibility can be devastating. It's why the onetime pad cipher is still the only truly unbeatable encryption method we know of.
Went to MSI several years ago. The U-505 exhibit was pretty amazing. I didn't think to do it at the time, but you can buy tickets for a tour of the sub's interior. Would highly recommend both the exhibit and the museum as a whole.
I have never heard anyone else mention "Barrels" from timeline 191. That was such a fun little extra thrill at the end of a great video.
“Why does anyone do anything, sheer absolute boredom.” - Alastor the Radio Demon
Love your vids especially when you watch the fat electrician. Its like gold dude and your laugh is just infectious. By far the best reaction CZcamsr.
Agreed, yo. Whenever TFE puts out a video that involves anything Naval, I look forward to our Old Man getting his word in edgewise. I always know that it'll be gold.
Amen to that@@josephschultz3301
The Admiralty was the one who came up with the tank. It was done under Churchill. That's one of the reasons it was known as a "landship"
Fun fact: The Americans knew the Germans had means to secure comms. But not every u boat would be equipped with it. So you wouldn't know if the sub you could board would have it. Its truly insane!
Wendigoon has a video about a spy from WWII that is absolutely insane, he got his hands on an enigma machine too, and how he got it is hilarious
The kriegsmarine used a different enigma
@jamesrustles8670 Oh I know, doesn't change how absurd the story is
The level of happiness your laugh brings me is unreasonable.
I freakin' love it.
This sub is not the one where they got the original enigma machine that happened back in 41 or42, and it was a British operation that secured it.
They got a up-to-date cipher and enigma machine, which were then forwarded to Britain to assist them to continue to read germanys mail
Britain had been reading the enigma code for about a year to a year and a half at this point.
Captured June 4th, 1944. Bit late there, the Royal Navy captured U-110 May 9th 1941, complete with naval Enigma & codebooks. As for the breaking of the Enigma cypher, that was done by the Poles, in 1933!
Dont worry he got me with the where's waldo bit the first time I watched the video
8:55 I did not know that, but now that I do it makes a lot more sense than dropping 55 gallon drums off explosives into the ocean set to explode at whatever depth you think the sub might be at and trying to make physical contact, with something that can move under you in three dimensions without you seeing it.
This is the kind of extra insight I hope to learn by watching reaction channels. Thanks!
23:45 When they were being designed by the British, the first tanks were called landships, because they were envisioned as a terrestrial version of a battleship. Which, since it was WWI, actually makes a tremendous amount of sense. Not today, but it is absolutely in keeping with military philosophy and doctrine of the time.
They were transported on flatbed train cars though, so to conceal them from enemy scouts and observers they covered them with tarps and listed them on shipping manifests as water tanks; another large and bulky object that might be carried by a train. And if you're a German spy in 1913 and you see a huge, bulky THING under a tarp on a flatbed, you're going to check your stolen manifest, see that that car is carrying a water tank, and figure that makes sense, and move on.
This whole situation devolved into “Oh, you think you’re so fu¢king smart. Okay, I and my men are now repairing and salvaging your supposedly UNSINKABLE sinking submarine and managed to get all of your intel on your communications that you actively attempted to destroy.”
Old Man! No need to worry about your accent and tripping over words. You practice a lot and you got better a lot as well! Just keep doing what you're doing and you'll keep getting better at everything!
By 1938 the first version of the enigma machine codes were already broken thanks to the Poles that had great mathematicians that worked for years during the 1930's to break the code, and they did it, most of them then ran alongside with the Polish navy in their planned evacuation procedure in case they were invaded, their best ships would evacuate to England and rejoin the Royal Navy and when arriving in England, the Polish gave to the British all their research about the Enigma code and they broke the code, but somehow the Germans discovered and changed and the British broke the code again but this time they were more discreet about that... And the rest of the story we all know
With me and my friends, we would number the punch lines of jokes. That way we wouldn’t have to tell the whole joke. We would just say. #14. Then we would all bust out laughing. But if you weren’t in on it, you’d be looking at us like we were certifiable crazy.
I have to correct you on one VERY BIG thing, Turing didn't break the enigma code. Polish codebreakers lead by Marian Rejewski, broken it before the war had even begun, and gave the enigma cyphers and machines to the British and French, as well as the methodology to make changes if the Germans changed their machines. What Turning did was build larger machines to discover the days cypher much more quickly. The naval codes were much more difficult because after using enigma, they also ran it through a code book.
Well the extra wheel helped make it harder to do. It’s just that the Navy got bit by code breaking in WWI. So they were extra worried about security of their messages.
Next you should check out "uss no go Americas concrete battle ship "
Just FYI I wear one of his " its never a warcrime the first time " patchs on my club vest. I went to bat with the MC for the right to wear that because of how True it feels lol😂
My old boss went to visit the museum that this sub was at. She took a bunch of pictures of it she texted back to me. The fact that this happened is amazing.
We have a submarine in Oklahoma. The Muskogee War Memorial Park: Home of the USS Batfish.
Drachinifel has a great video on the Enigma machine that includes some of the math involved as well as how it all unravels given a few pieces of information.
I might have to go to the US and visit Chicago to see that boat. Still will need to get a passport since I've never had reason to leave the country. At least it's a short trip given that I only need to go south a ways and I'm in the US. Heck, might even be able to reach the land border in a single day from the middle of the province.
Been watching your Fat Electrician reactions. I've decided that I like you, thoroughly earned the sub. Good luck with the channel moving forward and, also, don't forget to have fun with it! Cheers!
Hurricane? *The DeHavlin Mosquito has entered the chat.*
Thanks to people like you, that makes history fun to learn about.
Tbh I think it was less "Those 50 men thought they could not fix it" and more "those 50 men (or their officer) thought they wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell of surviving if they did not give up the uboat with all the american destroyers and bombers right on top of them". If those had been explosions of mines, with no enemy within hours of travel, they might have fixed it too. Or not since they had no ship to tow it to get those pumps going.
Still an aboslutely insane stunt these 9 pulled off.
I’m still lowkey pissed how Alan Turing was treated post war
urban legend is that the apple logo is a nod to Alan Turing
@@howlingbreeze7078 its been debunked
This one's even more audacious than that time the SeaBees went into North Korea to steal a train, and some beer to enjoy on the ride back.
That's another great Fat Electrician video.
Enigma was cracked almost before the war started. Turing had managed to work out exactly how it worked in theory and when the Poles gave the Brits a stolen machine they were able to confirm what they knew and filled in a few blanks they had I think this was back in n 38. The way in was at the start of the day they had to broadcast a 3 digit code unencrypted and the second 3 letter code encrypted which would send back to confirm it was all set up. Problem was no one told the operator what 6 digit word to use. So if the unencrypted letters were HIT it didn't take a genius to work out what the next 3 were. The German navy however was a bitch to crack as they weren't dumb and had code tables. So thier 3 letter strings were seemingly random. This is why the first computers were created to just try and Brute force it. The code books were water soluble and had standing order to be destroyed but that didn't always happen. This is one of a few examples, it wasn't rare for bletchly park receive code books half damaged or is in a few cases blood soaked. Also further into the war the German navy added a 4th digit just as they started think something was up. Also the yanks gad a hard time believing that the Brits had actually cracked the code and they lost a fair few ships before they realised that when the Brits told them that a Wolfpack was off the shore of the Us and roughly where it was, then they should probably listen to them. The bletchley park story is a really good one to look into
Thank you. I have been waiting for this one.
You need to go visit Chicago, Museum of Science and Industry.
We did that in 1941, and It became HMS Graph
Regarding your question about whoch of the two "sub videos" to view... Both. Both is good. Both are 2 of his vest videos, in my opinion. Please do the Train Sinking next
When it comes to depth charges it's the same concept as shooting fish in a barrel. The Shockwave does the damage.
For anyone who didn't get it.
15:50 Polish astronaut Sławosz Uznański goes to space in 2024, so yes. Poland can into space. Also he's not the first one
please turn up the sound for the electician.
Several operational Enigma machines with their rotor settings were captured during the war, not just the one from U-505.
All of those operations were cloaked in secrecy so the success could be fully exploited until the next scheduled updating of the code books with new rotor settings. So yes, you keep your mouth shut because you know you will only be able to use this ability to read enemy messages for a limited amount of time,...time that gets dramatically shortened if the capture becomes a known event.
When they told the American and British admiralty they did this they were furious because the British with help from the other allies already broke the enigma and were reading German communication and if the German heard that the American stole a u bout with with an enigma machine and codebooks they would change everything and the British and allies would have to start from scratch
Love your coverage of The Fat Electrician's videos, you both seem like you would be a blast to have a beer with, but check out his Toys for Tots video this is EPIC
in defense of the Germans here there is a WORLD of difference between damage control while the enemy is still trying actively to sink you and doing it without anyone adding difficulty.
Hey great video. I subbed after the Operation Praying Mantis reaction, and I'd like to see you react to TFE's video on the Barbary Wars.
Oh I've been waiting for you to react to this one 😤😤😤
So there are actually 2 videos where the Fatty electrician talks about the Seabeas, the old man covered the 1st one but there's a second where they stole a train from NK.
Agreed on why I like his videos. It's all about perspective. History is not a set of facts but rather a series of perspectives much like a supreme court opinion. There are authored majority and minority opinions, but there is nuance in each concurrence or dissent as to whete the law lies.
Much the same with history. Just because person A already wrote the book or made the film on WW2 doesn't mean that 25 other people don't have interesting and nuanced takes that I want to hear.
if you loved this one ...the USS Barb video will leave you gasping for air it is that damn funny
The fact that this actually happened is amazing. There is actually a book written about the capture of U-505 written by Rear-Admiral Daniel V. Gallery.
On the subject of just how complex and meticulous the ENIGMA machine was, I found this video posted to CZcams a year ago. If you're curious about the mechanical process of the machine, I highly recommend it: czcams.com/video/ybkkiGtJmkM/video.html
Were you a bubblehead? I was.
24:35 Try not to let it get to you, man. The internet is great for connecting people, but sometimes it connects you to people who take things too personally or have no sense of humor. Or who don't understand hyperbole, or who don't realize that tone does not translate well into text.
I spent my teenage years on 4chan and it taught me at least one valuable lesson: no one can hurt you on the internet (as long as you don't give them the means to do it offline, obviously)
I'm not going to recommend a state of mind or way of looking at it. At the end of the day it's all coping mechanisms, methods of coping with interacting with mean and dumb people. And different methods work for different people. Just don't let them get to you, and know, for your own sake, that you don't HAVE to let them
Have you seen his video about the gurkas?
Love this video
Enigma Code: Definitely not the German pronunciation of 1-2-3-4-5?
“Was?”
"Fuckers stole our entire U-boat, can't even have shit OUTSIDE of Detroit!" - The Kriegsmarine probably.
What boat were you on, bro?
I! AM A POLE!
dude can you turn up the sound of the video your watching please.
Wait, you were in the navy?
The funny thing about the Bermuda Triangle is that it's complete bullshit. The Triangle has roughly 3x the global average rate of lost ships and planes, which is where the conspiracy theories come from. What those theories don't take into account is that the Triangle also has 3 - 4x the global average of air and ship traffic compared to the rest of the ocean. So in reality, the Bermuda Triangle has, at worst, a completely average proportional rate of lost ships and planes. And statistically speaking, it might actually be proportionally slightly SAFER than the rest of the world's water-ways. But conspiracy theorists don't use logic, and they like to ignore facts that don't support their theories, so there's still this bizarre public perception that the Triangle is some spooky place where a crazy amount of mysterious losses happen, and it's just not true.
Yeah, it's just us looking for patterns and lacking the right information to put it in the proper context.
One of the most famous disappearances, the USS Cyclops, is also nonsense. Both of its sister ships also disappeared, but not in the triangle, which makes it far more likely that it was a design problem with the ship itself than anything supernatural.
@@ssfbob456yeah the Cyclops is one of those ships that looking back had serious design flaws and was overloaded with cargo. Also not all her sister ships disappeared as USS Jupiter would be converted to an aircraft carrier and renamed USS Langley(CV-1)
Greetings good sir, dunno your name as im new and too polite to call anyone old, but id love to see your reaction to reckless the marine horse, which leads to marines inventings gender reveals and nick, fat electrician, is getting wikipedia to change it to such. Also to the community, if ANYONE knows the background music nick uses in his vid, lemme know ive been asking every comment section cause nick wont say dammit. Sorry for a long read but keep this good stuff coming sir!~
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Ok so I am getting annoyed with you calling yourself a BOOMER. Boomers are in their 60s and 70s right now.
You are either Gen X or Gen Y, I would guess more Y since I believe you younger them me, but still not a Millennial PUNK *LOL*
You are DIFENTELY not a BOOMER, or a OLD MAN (Unless this was originally your Father's CZcams Channel, since that would be the only reason to call Old Man Reacts)
The reason I call myself a Boomer is because my chat during live streams started calling me that (mainly because I screwed up something lol), and I embraced it. Also, the reason my channel is called Old Man is because of Commissar Sebastian Yarrick, a 40k character that is my personal favorite fictional character.
I was originally a 40k channel almost exclusively, I can understand the confusion lol.
@@OldManReacts I did assume it was from your gaming, since we are normally called boomers by Gen Z who are uneducated on what a Boomer truly is.
If you said it satirically, I wouldn't have felt to comment, since then I would have thought it was a tongue and cheek thing to diehard fans. In videos I have seen, you have been saying it literally, and it been annoying me to the point I felt like I had to comment.
I didn't know about the character history. Thought your channel name came from the boomer comments.
Lastly. . . really didn't expect you to personally respond 4 days after the video was posted, at most I figured a diehard fan would fill me in some of the lore and history.
@@cranb3rryann3 My community is used to me being overly serious for humor, in fact I have a lore channel where I voice act a character that kind of morphed out of that while talking about Warhammer 40k. It mostly consists of me talking about events and places like I'm about to pop a blood vessel from pure rage.
Yarrick is called the Old Man of Armageddon, hence the name of the channel.
I'm balding and some of my community members said I needed a Keeps sponsorship, so you'll hear me shout them out every so often and tell them to hit me up. I also have a thing where my head switches names of both people and things, which is why you might have heard me going "You know this, I'm an idiot."
I just have fun with it. There's no point in me getting mad over it, or bothered by it, I understand where you're coming from though! Don't take me saying self deprecating stuff literally, I'm just making fun of myself for being... Well... Myself! If you ever see a livestream feel free to jump in and throw salt! :D
@@OldManReacts Sorry dude I am horrible at making live stream, being on the west coast I miss 99% of all streamers since I usually at work anyway, so given up on try.
Now that I understand the Old Man part of your channel name I over it, I totally get it, would never throw salt your way over that.
As long as the boomer comments are satirical and not literal I am cool, just triggers me when someone younger then me plays up to the whole we are boomers when we both know it our parents that are boomers not us 😆
@@cranb3rryann3 I miss my own live streams half the time! Talk to you later!