Exploring the SCP Foundation: SCP-6747 - Chaos Theory
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So I accidently pocket-pressed "create clip" on my phone while listening to this, which started a loop of a sentence. I legit thought that the Narrative was falling apart, thinking "oh thats clever written, I see what the author did there, very Meta - oh it's just on loop."
What was the sentence that was looped?
What was the sentence that was looped?
What was the sentence that was looped?
What was the sentence that was looped?
What was the sentence that was looped?
SCP Rule: If the article descrips a insanly complex machine that the Foundation build for a specific purpose that messes with the fabric of reality, it will always backfire in Universe ending ways.
Literally 6820
@@Beetlebum55 Or, more broadly, the entire Admonition hub
If the SCP is op the narrative rule is that it will backfire
@@plinfan6541 Don't bring Doctor Bright into this 🤣
Scp Rule 2: it will work but it will also kill every human in the process
"The Foundation decided to try bringing back a dead man, using a rather... novel method."
The research division is looking into developing memetic kill agents based on puns.
/facepalm
Said division probably shouldn't go around punnishing folk for a bit of clever wordplay, and instead hone their sights on something with more promises to it. Besides, I thought it a rather punny way to explain things. Or how else would one go about the act of trying to explain how the Foundation tried to bring back a dead man with some rather novel methods that I dare say were doomed to go poorly from the beginning, as the writing for that being the case was truly on the walls the whole time. Had they simply bothered to read into things a bit more, and not go around trying to tamper with the very fabric of reality in a way that made quite a few folk do things that they could at the very least write home about, as they were peak examples of outside the box thinking as if straight from the pen of some deity of foolish plans. But alas - Such is the story of fools who meddle with things they don't quite comprehend.
Researchers are gonna make your mom jokes deadly.
This and the Magic Spell Viscous Mockery from D&D are the fucking best.
I'm sure Thilo Zwist knows plenty.
@@videocrowsnest5251 damn, i bet you thought that was really clever.
"Stop bringing the dead back to life!"
Foundation: _That sign can't stop me because I can't read_
you should have erred on the side of caution for Death casts a shadow over both sky and page.
@@21forevergone Death is patient, they invented the waiting game.
Honestly with how much they've tried to revive dead things i'm 100% convinced that one of the administrators tapped an ass so divine that he's just trying to tap that ass 1 more time
Get your act together caretaker the universe you were left in charge of is a shambles.
Foundation when they see a reality bender: I can't let you play God. Back to the box.
Foundation when they see any Thaumiel SCP: Time to play God.
Scarlett King: I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.
@@marcomoreno6748 **Cuts the part of the tree of life that contains the scarlet king, killing him instantly.** **After which, immediately altering general narratives as to make it so he doesn't exist.**
At least they dont typically wanna nuke the world as god
An entire SCP about countering an extra-narrative threat through the sheer power of meme value, i love the people who come up with this stuff
Also proves gods can't be more intelligent than us in any fair mean(they can only think of more at once)
Since we can imagine everything in reality and beyond just not simultaneously, so either 1. The scp foundation is right, 2. A god is ignoring everything despite this 3. There's no god
@@Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1024
Did you just use a fictional organization within a fictional organization to attempt to disprove the existence of God?
Keep in mind that in said fictional organization, we're effectively gods. That means we're in the level above God relative to the fictional universe within the fictional universe. Since you're using the SCP to disprove an entity one level above us, and we are metafictionally equidistant to both the fictional and mesofictional universes, you've just disproven your own existence. Good day, sir!
@@N3bu14Gr4y Eh, the "real world" God uses a fiction book to prove its own existence as well. In fact there is not a single God humans have devised that doesn't use a self affirming fairytale to prove existence of.
By the same logic you used, God cannot possibly exist without us, and doesn't exist in any circumstance with or without us, at least as depicted in every fictional story, which is all of them.
@@BigPanda096
It wasn't my logic. I was using the logic of both the video and your original comment to disprove your own existence to show how flawed your argument was.
The possibility of our own nonexistence is implied by any argument that uses pataphysics to disprove God's existence. Until you can prove you exist, any arguments against the existence of someone else based on your own experience become moot.
@@N3bu14Gr4y I exist because I am, therefore I exist. Also I'm not OP, and I didn't accredit the logic loop you used to your own originality.
I wrote a short story a while back that bears some small similarities to this base concept. It just involved a creature that would invade a narrative, kill the protagonist, and then progress up to the next reality and hunt the author, who would themselves be the protagonist of a narrative. A nested metaphysical hunting ground.
SUCH A COOL CONCEPT
Fractals.
and THAT'S why i will never write anything, not cause im lazy =)
You, an author, created an author killing entity that is capable of progressing up realities. I'm not sure if you understand the implications yet, but your about to have a really bad time.
@@iamsethhasting8911 the author did this on purpose, for the drama.
SCP *poke Death*
Death: “Please, stop”
SCP *revives someone from Death*
Death: “And I took that personally”
i mean a little bit of poking is nothing compared to stealing.
planning to watch the vid but commenting before that btw
If SCP 1440 is any indication, Death takes losing VERY personally.
Imagine if you will a bacterium hopping up on your table and not only have the nerve to get snarky, but to add the insult of making more paperwork for you.
@@IndigoWhiskey I didn't know The Auditors watched this channel
@@IndigoWhiskey Shovid, making a scene of itself as always. "Move over 19 I'm the next Star in the Viral Video World of Modern Medicine. Nobody wants you old man, move over and make room for the new killer on the block. Zeta Omicron Delta Omega LOL19.5, here." Then goes immediately Crungo as it looks around for its next unsuspecting innocent victim. All the while rubbing it's grubby badly drawn unwashed hands together sneezing and coughing wildly. Laughing manically in-between coughs and wheezes only enough time to blow its nose in your medical bills and shake your hand as you make an unsavory new partnership with said shady investor of Quarantine and Lockdown. The Shogun of Civil Unrest and Government Coups. The last time I heard from great grand pappy TB, was that he made a came back but was abruptly cut short due to the Pandemic of The Back Street Boys Reunion Tour. The last time grand pappy Turbo Locoious was seen was, purchasing a one way ticket to Cancun for a Vacay.
Really love the entire pataphysics thing, has a sense of cosmic existential horror to it, super Lovecraftian.
Especially the lines like “free will is not real” or knowing that 97% of humans in their reality are too uninteresting to even write a story about. It puts our own anxiety into a narrative world
@Sabizos Rabble Rouser!
@Sabizos I'm pursuing a double major in math and music, thanks. I did zero creative writing before the SCP Wiki.
It's almost like cosmic horror taken to the logical extreme. What could make you feel more insignificant than being a character in a story that you don't control.
@@placeholdermcd9465 do you have a field of math that interests you most? And what instruments do you play.
I really like how creative the SCP community is. They came up with a way to scientifically explain retcons and plot holes through using actual philosophical terminology to help ground it in our reality. Truly, SCP is a gift that keeps on giving!
I just watched In the Mouth of Madness last night for the 100th time and now I see Sutter Cane as a pataphysical reality bender. This is the perfect SCP to follow that up.
I love that movie so much, absolutely a pataphysics nightmare
I really need to watch that again someday.
Great movie... another old favorite is" Lord of Illusions"
One of John Carpenter best movies, right up there with The Thing.
So glad you enjoyed RMR! I'm a huge fan of your stuff and it's really crazy to see you're also a fan of mine :)
I actually love the concept of Pataphysics, and Chaos Theory is one of my new favorite articles as of late, so I love everyone just being thrown this mindfuck.
HAHA THE RESNO CANON
So - Let's contain it:
"Doctors King, Bright, Kondraki and Clef walks into the bar..."
When TES does SCP’s like this, it really draws me further into the SCP wiki as a whole. I find the idea of pataphysics fascinating and clever as hell. This motivates me to look for other clever/unique/ well written SCP’s and tales.
The wiki is no longer a creepypasta/esoteric hub, and thanks to talent like TES it will continue to evolve and stay relevant; inspiring writers while drawing in a larger fan base for excellent free content, allowing for more content creators like TES to put their own spin on the material. What a fantastic positive feedback loop! If I understand this SCP at all, that would mean that our universe is becoming “more real” as higher quality protagonists add to the narrative. Right?
Its quite ironic how this story itself is quite outlandish yet necessary for the protection of all other realities and narratives.
It's funny how the foundation end up risking the lives of not just their own, but countless other abstractions of realities & narratives in the attempt of saving one singular insignificant lifeform (When compared to the grand scheme of things).
And how a higher/lower being of existence would create a story the risked their own reality & narrative as well as countless others.
Well this was definitely a very intriguing and convoluted way of making Joke SCPs canon
On way to work, this could not have dropped at a better time!! We fight in the dark so The Exploring Series can post in the day.
Have a good day, lad, get that bread
Funny, on my way home from work.
@@FriezaSucks thanks brother
@@camacho7347 enjoy the rest and a good story my dude
If it wasn’t my day off, I’d be at work at the moment.
Here we go again.
To summarize the jargon, the first part talks about the reflective effect of creation and inspiration, with author creations inspiring others to make more fiction, creating a snowball effect; it also mentions how the fiction can be affected by how grounded in reality it is. In the second part, it describes the cycle of character development and the effects primary characters such as protagonists and antagonists have on the story and its events, due to their in-depth complexity and the change they undergo; secondary or minor characters have less impact, with the "generics" the Foundation describes being what we would know as faceless, nameless background characters that have next to no meaning, purpose or impact on a story. These background characters are more susceptible to tropes and narrative elements (or narr-emes) to substitute for a lack of character.
To those of you who are unaware, Dr. King is a character who is cursed with a bizarre phenomena centered on apples, with apples, apple juice and apple seeds pestering him. At one point, a magical apple claiming to be his father beckons him to embrace his future; fed up with it all, Dr. King tells it to screw off, and it kills him by bombarding him with apples. The Foundation then used a device implanted with his enhanced brain to create and refine a few sub-levels of reality, making a self-contained world that was linked to the Foundation's reality but also distinctively separate from it as well. The thing is, the Foundation thought that they could revive him with ease because they believed him to be, in the context of a story, a relatively minor character. However, they weren't aware that, in-universe, Dr. King is NOT a static character, with his apple curse greatly contributing to that. When he was created, he was overwhelmed with confusion and desired to be released from it. Due to Foundation interference, he interpreted them as enemies, and after defining his character with hostile action, began to take on antagonistic properties. Then the anafabula presented itself, and he merged with it in an effort to escape. Due to a character of his complexity outshining the simplistic nature of the pocket world, he caused it to collapse, and through it he became the equivalent of a god as he was superior to everything around him, aided by the "open space" caused by the lack of premise his world had, allowing him to strengthen his abilities.
Even worse, many articles and tales show that the Anafabula is not a passive force, but a sapient one, and is actively working to devour fictional worlds that have one thing in common: Dissatisfaction. Any story that has a unsatisfactory nature is devoured by the anafabula, with its ability to climb the ladder of realities by devouring them. In this case, the Anafabula is working to alter the Foundation universe into an unsatisfactory state in order to make it available for consumption. After merging with the Anafabula, Chaos-KING more or less became an agent of it that was tasked with finding a way of aiding it in entering the SCP universe.
It was then that Chaos-KING created something. An avatar that it could use to infiltrate and corrupt the SCP universe. A villainous force that took on various attributes from the Anafabula, such as black thorns, the color black, the number seven, darkness and oblivion, adding in it's own elements, such as the color red and aggression. A force that sought to torment and destroy those it hated. One that was hinted on throughout the document, with the color red, the number seven, and a stated desire to "break the chains".
In other words.....the Scarlet King.
When the character of Dr. King was turned into Chaos-KING, several of his attributes were transferred over, passing through the filters of the anafabula and warping at Chaos-KING's will, eventually turning into the Scarlet King. In other words, the Scarlet King didn't even exist until the repercussions of 6747 made it, with the Foundation likely having no idea that the Scarlet King and Chaos-KING are one in the same. All the carnage, evil, myths, monsters and madness were created when Chaos-KING reached up into the SCP universe and made them real, with him using it as a projection of himself to complete his story cycle. Another example: the Scarlet King created reality benders to sow chaos to further his own goal of destroying the world. This mirrors Chaos-KING creating characters that have the similar ability to greatly affect the fiction around them, where upon injection into the SCP reality, they manifested as characters known as reality benders. Foundation doctors such as Bright, Clef and Kondraki were relatively normal to the Foundation, until Chaos-KING "remade" the sporadically chaotic Doctors that we are familiar with to cause a ruckus from within the Foundation. In a premise such as Lovecraft, where humanity's insignificance and helplessness is prominently featured, the SCP universe is centered on the themes and concepts of mankind's perseverance, adaptability and will to survive. So if an eldritch abomination were to win agains such an interpretation of the human race, it would come off as deeply distasteful, thereby allowing the anafabula to destroy it. Since the Scarlet King is basically a stand-in for Chaos-KING, if the Scarlet King achieves its goal, Chaos-KING completes his, and the anafabula will be the ultimate victor.
Essentially, the Foundation ended up not only creating their greatest enemy, but also made them both in-universe and out of it at once. The anafabula reached the author's world, but both it and Chaos-KING were caught in a chokehold due to the conflict of the authors sustaining the SCP universe and the possibility of the anafabula being caught in the crossfire if destroyed. Chaos-KING is countering this by infiltrating and corrupting the SCP universe to make it potable for the anafabula's consumption. Thus, in order to keep Chaos-KING from escaping his world and entering theirs to allow the anafabula to end it, they used the device to turn the pocket world into the LOLFoundation in order to reduce the likelihood of escaping, since the premise of absurdity would reduce the out-of-the-ordinary presence and impact an eldritch being would normally have, making it functionally non-abnormal relative to everything else in that narrative. Referring to the creation/inspiration effect mentioned earlier, the Foundation created the LOLFoundation to get the authors interested and create more articles, further reinforcing the premise of it and dampening Chaos-KING's influence by reducing the unknown and filling it with elements that would leave his actions inconsequential.
(To help visualize what I'm thinking, think of a story in two separate forms: the external fiction and the internal narrative. With a character, the narreme acts as an anchoring point for the character to be superimposed onto, and the character in turn being a means for the narreme to display its properties. The fiction acts as content while the narreme acts as framework.)
(I also like the idea of Chaos-KING unable to leave his world due to a comedy/tragedy balance - in a tragedy an eldritch being would be more likely to achieve its goals that in a comedy, with the authors building LOLFoundation to further keep the villain in the realm of non-success due to a lack of true, meaningful impact, since in a ridiculous world such as that, anything goes.)
To summarize again:
In an attempt to resurrect deceased personnel, the Foundation used a device to create a pocket dimension situated in a level of reality below them, then retrieve them and bring them up to their world. Using Dr. King's enhanced brain, they created three potential worlds: an emptiness, a testing ground and, as stated, the bare minimum to hold a story. The Foundation believed that Dr. King's recovery would be fairly simple, since they believed him to be an ordinary man, but in a meta-sense, they weren't aware that he was a significant character. As a result, when he was inserted into a world acting as the bare minimum for a story, his complexity outmatched the capacity for the pocket world, and due to its limitations it couldn't provide the proper way to complete his character arc, nor help his goal of escape. This is when the anafabula revealed itself, becoming a catalyst for a possible escape while merging with him to provide itself a means of infiltrating the SCP universe. Chaos-KING then created the Scarlet King as a "persona" to be controlled remotely, acting as a translated projection of himself and his own goals and attributes - Chaos-KING also created it and drives it to finish its own character goal cycle, since he has put it as a substitute for the final phase of his own. Since the idea of an indomitable world such as the Foundation's being overtaken by an eldritch being would be considered very unappealing, this would make the SCP reality ripe for the anafabula's consumption. To counter this, the Foundation altered the pocket world into the absurd LOLFoundation to reduce the likelihood of him escaping by drawing the intrigue of the authors, getting them to expand that world to further lay down its nature and rules to reduce Chaos-KING's power and meaningful influence, reducing him to a minor character. Regardless, Chaos-KING works tirelessly to oppose the Foundation, acting as an aspect of the anafabula with the ability to control and direct the Scarlet King and its presence all at once, acting as a true master manipulator. The Foundation is still fighting, though, to keep their reality stable, orderly and satisfactory, though it remains to be seen for how long.
Thanks for reading. Now for some headache medicine...
Now we wait for the universe destroying abomination that spawns from endless absurdity.
not going to pretend I understood it all but its quite a twist that it is Scarlet king but I love this idea. really is a head scratcher than the usual straight forward demons that just kills or stuff
‘Summarize’
Sometime, Phataphysics really and truly confuse and just generally rot your brain
@@theexcaliburone5933 im actually suprised it doesnt take a whole novel to describe the confusement of pataphysics
Thanks so much for the reading, TES! I know this one wasn't easy, lol.
Bro you should public a book of short stories or a novel about weird mindfuckery.
Your articles are incredibly weird (in a good way, obviously).
I loved this one! Very good author☺️
It's you!
The Foundation: Okay we gotta bring someone back from the dead again, but this time nothing bad's gonna happen!
Death: *_How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!_*
n+1 times where n is the number of times it takes lost soul of the week to deny reality. like every damn lesson.
Death: "God fcking damn it again? This is the 100th time this week i'm not getting payed enough for this"
Really wish Placeholder's pataphysics lecture also explored multiple fictional dimensions instead of just talking about one fictional dimension and any number of real dimensions. Maybe "multiple fictional dimensions" would be analogous to an artistic collaboration or roleplay, where multiple authors are manipulating the narrative plane but the inherent difference in authorial intent and interpretations between the collaborators resulting in some funky pataphysical messes around the seams where those contrasting ideas clash and mesh. Or something like that.
Ooh I love this idea, please write about it!
I'm so fucking tired of meta-narrative scps, I don't understand how the entire community isn't lol
@anguishedcarpet the community is pretty split on meta stuff
@@Doge-zb7ku Can't blame em, its better than people writing Whedon-style Mr. Bright stories, but its a close second on my list of scp styles I don't care for
That’s a great idea!
I really like your tone in this one. Whatever mood you were in, it's an awesome balance.
"A story is not a machine that does what you tell it. A story is a beast with a life of its own. You can create it, shape it, but as the story grows, it starts wanting things of its own. Change one thing, and you set off a chain reaction of events that spreads through the whole thing. The characters have to be true to themselves. The events need to follow a logic that fits the story. A single flaw and the magic is gone…”
- Alan Wake.
I swear every time I wanna put something on and can’t find any videos to watch you JUST upload. You’re an absolute content machine. Never cease to impress.
“a storyline sought to control
and un-exact its mortal toll;
another realm, it wrought anew
a twisted caricature of you.
the fun never ends.”
I absolutely despised the last pataphysics article with the dungeons and dragons knockoff, but this one I like. It's a more scientific approach to the concept.
What was that SCP again?
@@michaelandreipalon359 6500 - Inevitable
@@sneed457 Ah, I see.
Yeah, same. I love the scientific approach as well as the more old school scp feel to it. Easily my favourite pataphysics scp so far.
I dont think thats an dnd ripoff
This article is one of the reasons why I hate the trend of complaining about “complicated” skips. I swear I see it all over the internet where people say stuff like “I miss when scp was about statues you have to look at or you die.” Those are great too but stuff like this is so unique and thought provoking and objectively well-written.
Now that's a very convoluted way of saying "cool story, bro".
Man I’m way too high for pataphysics rn
High within the other pataphysical realities apparently, this comment says made 2 days ago when the vid has only been up 30 minutes or whatever, man is wild
Wonderful. Work today doesn't seem so bad now
Oh, gonna download and enjoy this one. Im about to head into a 3 hour flight, gotta whole playlist downloaded. Wish me luck
good luck
The idea and concept of pataphysics in the context of these skips is always so fascinating to learn more about, sci-fi truly unlike anything I've ever heard or read before.
Honestly one of my favorites, ADMONITION is filled with masterpieces.
Moist 😳
What is admonition
@@gummyboots 10-part anthology series by placeholder and azamo
@@rubensteinfinsteraarhorn9028
Still waiting for the fourth part 😔🔥🔥
@@gummyboots An ongoing anthology series on the wiki. SCP-6682 "TERMINATION ATTEMPT" was the first part. This article was the second.
The third is SCP-6659 "METAGNOSTIC", where the Foundation tries to find a permanent solution in order to fight, contain, and even terminate gods when they discover they truly exist in metaphysical form as ideas, only for the project lead to go too far in understanding the idea of gods and unleashing something far more dangerous.
Pataphysics is literally the most interesting concept in the SCP Foundation! And if you don't believe me, keep it to yourself because 3812 will probably hear and delete you!
it actually long predates SCP by like nearly a hundred years (actually maybe more, I forget exactly when it was first forwarded as an idea, but I think it was the early 20th century), as like a really obscure sort of philosophical viewpoint, I guess you could say, although I think it was originally proposed as a joke (or at least, partly a joke). It's cool to see SCP introducing the idea to a wider modern audience, though
44:40 hah, it's certainly a "novel" method
“In other words, they turned an apple into a protagonist in the universe’s story.”
From beginning to end, that is not a sentence that could’ve been predicted
Wait. Is this why Dr. King is so narratively tied up to apples and appleseeds?
its been a running joke in the scp wiki for a long time, dont know why though
As a huge physics nerd, i love the descriptions of narrative vectors and dimensions. It's such a fun combination of real world dynamics and sci-fi concepts.
This SCP actually explains the whimsical aspects of Dr. Bright's, Dr. Kondraki's, Dr. Clef's, and Dr. King's personalities. Especially Dr. King
And why out of all 4 of them in the lolf canon its only clef who knows something is up
and gears but he was not in scp 6747 so he had an easier time to know what was going on
@@trolledfordrip Because he
See, my theory is that they forgot that stories need to have conflict, so the story-universe they created generated it's own conflict by having an evil entity possess King and oppose them.
In an even more meta sense, the fact that this SCP is itself a story means that something was bound to go horribly wrong. Which they should really have expected considering that, according to Placeholder, 50% of their whole reality runs on narrative and the Foundation employs a lot of protagonist types.
But remember, juts just a theory... A CHAOS THEORYY
I think this is pretty much the most fascinating part of the SCP foundation.
This has some serious potential for trolling scientific journals
Narrative topology sounds like my kind of subject
Patamorphosis: the process of changing one's narrative nature into something else, either with more or with less narrative potential
Just woke up for work at 4:30 AM. Been listening to this, which dropped two hours prior. Hell yes.
Always loved this area of research in the foundation, glad you’re doing it justice
"so... you still say there's nothing to chaos theory?" - an unknown scientist from a GOI known as 'Black Mesa'
"hey barnie its me [REDACTED]"
In essence they were the magician's apprentice and discovered to their chagrin that they didn't understand what the magic nearly well enough.
I love confusingly complicated stuff like this. It's just amazing. Great job summarizing it. I'm definitely gonna take some time to read this at some point.
It just occurred to me: What would happen if “A Hero Is Born” was incorporated into pataphysics? It’s essentially creating narrative sub-universes via the host’s dreams, isn’t it?
More or less. It grants a stories form dreams so yes it is.
I'm not usually big on pataphysics. But that was largely because I had felt like the concept needed this type of exploration.
as much as I love reading the articles, this is definitely one I needed a video for. I really like pataphysics, but this was too much trying to read and comprehend.
After a long ass day at work, this is exactly what I needed. Thank you for two SCP focused videos a week!! ♥️
I like the idea of pataphysics but the jargon makes it too silly for me to fully get into. Having the Foundation know and discuss the writers of our world is a super fun concept, and this story is both super entertaining and fascinating to think about, but every explanation of it in the hyper-technical Foundation word-salad puts me off of fully enjoying it. I'm really conflicted.
I've always considered the technical jargon to be more helpful in grounding the narrative, as it feels as though you're reading something very specific and real, that you simply lack the necessary information to understand all of.
SCP articles are absolutely rooted in the idea that you should feel like you've stumbled across some secret documentation you can't fully understand, and are not supposed to see.
But these are my feelings on the matter, to each their own. The concept is amazing, either way, and on that we seem to agree.
yeah exactly same, so im not a native speaker but the explanation of how the mechanics work sounds just like a bunch of science mambo jumbo to me, or am i wrong?
@@shiva_hardly_sarcastic basically reality is more real than fiction but it still has fictional elements, that's why stories effect reality, in the scp universe half of reality is real(meaning it can influence fiction) and the other is fictional(meaning it can be influenced by reality)
What they did was make up a story with dr king in a universe where things are completely fictional but since king is real he made that universe be corrupted, now king and the corruption are seeking revenge on the foundation
This channel really does find the diamonds in the rough. Thank u for talking about this on blew my mind. The concept of a creative influence is made into a science in this one.
i have wasted dozens if hours at work debating pataphysics with a coworker. this is my favorite genre
Dear, The Exploring Series.
Thank you, thank you for covering SCP-6747! It was one of my favorites SCP out there.
Great job! Azamo, Placeholder McD, Ralliston and stephlynch. You all did a fantastical for creating and deliberately presented it.
I especially liked the explanation such as how pataphysics works and the whole threat of SCP-6747-C. And how this pocket universe become the lolFoundation Canon.
Pataphysics is for me a interesting and cool concept, and to see it in this SCP is a enjoyment to me.
I want to include yet the comments of Placeholder McD (one of the authors of this SCP) into this Comment because for 1. they are interesting and 2. they make the SCP easier to comprehend.
Ethagon and Placeholder McD. Page.3
„This isn't really important, but I really dislike the usage of particle here. Per Wikipedia "A particle in the physical sciences is a small localized object to which can be ascribed physical properties." For example, Hume also isn't a particle and in my opinion, it is better pseudoscience because of it.“
Good point. I'm going to put some thought into reworking that.
„Seeing the Hero's journey here left me thinking. I wonder what the most common story structure for SCP articles would look like.“
Okay, so when an author imagines X event, they send that event either to a particular timeline (pre-existing canon/setting) or, if they're just generally setting it in the 'average' Foundationverse, it gets sent to one of the many 'average' timelines - like, the default, mostly-agreed-upon version of the Foundation. This causes whatever timeline to which it's sent to branch off into a new timeline where X occurs. The original branch, in which X did not happen, kind of fades/becomes dormant/stops doing anything unless an author actually cares about that version of the timeline as well.
Each of the timelines created therein have their own versions of the Universal Narrative, each of which is slightly different based on the events sent to that timeline by authors. Almost all the active timelines' Universal Narratives closely resemble the Hero's Journey, since that structure can be mapped onto most stories that humans care about. However, the Universal Narrative of, say, the ADMONITION branch of the Deepwell timeline is a lot darker and more maximalist in tone, which causes the stories that manifest in that timeline to follow suit.
„I'm not entirely sure on this, but I think you use antagonism in two conflicting ways. First, it is defined as just protagonist from a different view and later as I think antinarrative?“
So, story-structures fundamentally require change, as a function of entropy. Usually, this manifests as a protagonist having to overcome something, and that something is often another character. For this narrative structure to be "satisfying" (according to each timeline's respective Universal Narrative), the protagonist and the other character they have to overcome should be close to evenly matched. Footnote 1
However, the protagonist does not always have to win for the story to be satisfying. If you look at Avengers: Infinity War from Thanos' perspective, he's the protagonist and the Avengers are the antagonists, and it's Thanos' Hero's Journey. From a pataphysical perspective, these are the same thing; in physics, there is no preferred frame of reference.
That's why, on the list of narremes that compose 6747-C (aka 2747), it's "perceived antagonism" instead of just antagonism. This list is a bunch of fragments of narrative structures which, when brought together, cause a weird more-dangerous version of 2747 to form. Simply put, perceiving X entity as an antagonist is one of the things required to cause X to become a vector for the anafabula.
„I don't like the dialogue of the A3 section. I know that's part of what it wants to convey, but it could have been done better in my opinion.“
It's bad and contrived on purpose. Don't know what else to tell ya, lol.
„(I'm also personally not a fan of the Scarlet King connection. Let there be two different 7 entities, damn it)“
Okay, so this is a bit of an internal headcanon thing that I only briefly referenced because digging into it further would have taken away from the piece.
The reason I call it "The Scarlet Idol" instead of the Scarlet King is because it's a false god in the image of 2747. The Scarlet King is a narremeplex of all of the contrived Big Bad tropes you can possibly imagine. It's just a conglomeration of every type of incredibly-dangerous-and-powerful-multiversal-antagonist. As such, it just so happens to contain the individual narremes that make up 2747. In short: the Scarlet King is a manifestation of the Anafabula in a vast majority of timelines. If the Scarlet King's seventh seal breaks, that signifies the seventh event that activates the anafabula and causes the narrative to collapse. This is why the breaking of the seventh seal must be avoided at all costs. Footnote 2
„forces like 2747 work better if they remain alien or even non-sentient.“
2747 is definitely a non-sentient phenomenon, but that doesn't mean it's not intelligent; it's like an AI, or 3125 (a concept so complex as to appear sentient, even though it's more like a very big memetic equation). 2747 has some nebulous goal of manifesting itself to destroy narratives. 2747 knows it can achieve this goal by getting the Foundation to perceive it as a more conventional antagonist. It says all this contrived spooky stuff to activate its own properties.
Footnotes
Footnote 1. Often, the protagonist's forces will appear to be outnumbered by the antagonist's, but the protagonist has or gains some non-obvious item or ability which puts them on a level playing field.
Footnote 2. It's also my personal belief that some version of this interpretation is actually intended by minmin in 2747
Connected to Comment 1
Klaus Kernelson and Placeholder McD. Page.4
1. At a certain point in the article, a "pervasive hazardous antinarrative complex derived from, and manifesting as, a mesofictional caricature of late Senior Administrator J. A. King" appears and is promptly classified as "SCP-6747-C". If 6747-B is supposed to be the baseline King, then precisely what King 6747-C is? Is it lolfoundation!King in his "Apple God" form? Is it lolfoundation!King combined with 2747? Is it 2747 wearing lolfoundation!King's human form?
2. What exactly is "lolfoundation" is in this article? I've seen someone's interpretation that it's the baseline Foundation's operative to flesh out its own characters on here, but I'm not so sure.
3. Is the "FOURTH WALL BROKEN" moment supposed to represent lolfoundation's characters finally managing to reach out to the reader themselves and "pulling" them into their twistedly caricatural world? Because that's the impression I always seem to get when reading this skip, coupled with the link to lolfoundation's hub and the constant "BREAK THE CHAINS" footnotes scattered throughout the article
okay, so assume 'universe', 'timeline', and 'storyline' are synonymous.
imagine an infinite hierarchy of layers of stories. in the bottom layer (the first narrative dimension) live all stories which are 100% fictional, ie. don't functionally exist outside the minds of entities in higher planes. Every event that happens in a 1-story corresponds to the imagination of some higher consious being. The layer one above, the second narrative dimension, hosts stories which are 1/2 fictional and 1/2 real; this means that these storylines are actually parallel universes with 'real' stuff happening in them Footnote 1. This means that, on average, any given character in a 2-story is about 50% influenced by free will, and 50% influenced by authors in higher planes, which makes them inherently more dynamic than 1-dimensional 'flat' characters who do not have unique thought / agency. In 3-story, universes are 1/3 fictional and 2/3 real, which means they have less anomalous phenomena because it's a more physics-based universe, and they also have less control over the stories beneath them as pataphysical interaction, itself, is an anomaly that becomes less present as you travel up this infinite chain.
The SCP Multiverse exists in 2-story. The SCP Wiki Proxyverse, which the author-entities use to maintain the SCP Multiverse, exists in 3-story. The "real" world, where I am sending this message to you, exists in 4-story Footnote 2, Footnote 3.
So, while I was thinking within this framework, Ralliston came to me with an idea: what if the Foundation attempts to resurrect King by
creating a pocket universe below their layer
pataphysically-manipulating that pocket universe (via 'imagining') to have King in it
using the Placeholder Exploratory Engine (which allows travel between narratives) to go to the pocket universe and bring him out
However: when an imagined non-real scenario is transmitted down from a higher universe, and it's not part of a pre-existing canon/storyline, that scenario attaches to a brand new universe where it begins to form that universe's Narrative. They can't just target the pocket universe with their minds to send ideas there. Also, if they just make something that's narratively 1-dimensional, it'll be a virtual universe that doesn't really exist by virtue of being 100% fictional. So, they decide they have to make a really simple pocket universe that's in-between the layers, a) so they can manipulate it directly via paratech, and b) so they can target it specifically.
the Foundation creates an m-story, which is some irrational fractional dimensionality very close to zero. this, somehow, does actually constitute an extremely simple functional universe that they can visit. what they do not realize is that trying to insert a narratively-dense character like King into this extremely basic universe is like trying to shove a baseball between the fibers of a sheet of paper. his narrative topology has more dimensions than the pocket universe, and this causes some kind of instability cascade - the narrative fractures into a bunch of chaotic disparate elements.
Among these elements are the set of simple villain tropes which, when combined, cause 2747 to manifest. Of course, these tropes surround the mesofictional (lower-narrative) caricature of King, who has become an instance of 2747 in the pocket-universe. Somehow, though, the fractured narrative has been integrated with 2747 - they're feeding off each other in some nebulous way that a) prevents 2747 from collapsing the narrative, while b) corrupting the pocket universe with more and more dull tropes. Couched in a bunch of jargon, this is all a big diss saying that lolfoundation is the least narratively-interesting, most trope-y universe possible, lmao.
They're not lolF yet, though. Currently, everything outside of King and the parts of reality he's currently maintaining is chaotic narrative wasteland and recursive trope-y-ness. Recall that, the more fictional a universe is, the more anomalous phenomena it has and, therefore, the more technological power it has access to. King/2747 wants to abuse this to generate paraweapons which forcibly propagate himself/2747 upward into a higher narrative, escaping the trope-ridden absurdist hell they're stuck in.
How does the Foundation deal with this? Well, lemme grab an excerpt from a secret draft my friend Jack IkeJack Ike is working on…
„For clarity, the following terms and hierarchy will be used:
Universe A, which imagines;
Universe B, which imagines;
Universe C.
Per the mechanics established earlier in this document, a canon exists in Universe A where the initial imagination of Universe B is canonised; furthermore, a canon exists in Universe B where the initial imagination of Universe C is canonised. This would initially indicate that the H-field of Universe A is larger than B, and the H-field of B is larger than C.
Several cases have been identified and documented, however, where the imaginers of Universe A cease siphoning H-energy into Universe B, and instead siphon it directly into Universe C; this event, known as narrative promotion, paradoxically allows Universe C to contain more H-energy than Universe B - but still less than Universe A - and thus become ‘more real’ than the universe from which it was initially imagined as a fictional construct from.
There are several phenomena that will manifest within both Universe B and Universe C because of a narrative promotion. Firstly, as Universe C is now capable of possessing H-energy levels that equal or exceed that of Universe B, there is an extremely high likelihood of one or more ‘pataphysical nexuses connecting the two; when the imaginers of Universe B are aware of the idea of narrative promotion, these ‘pataphysical nexuses will predominantly take the form of the Universe B imaginers crossing over into Universe C, or otherwise influencing it in an attempt to survive the promotion.
Secondly, as Universe C is now developing canon inertia at a faster rate than Universe B due to its higher H-energy levels, the imaginers of Universe B will progressively, but unknowingly, lose control over the elements of Universe C:
Elements imagined by Universe A will become canonised in Universe C faster than those imagined by Universe B, thus;
Imaginers in Universe B are significantly more likely to ‘imagine’ elements that are already canonised in Universe C by Universe A, instead of new additions to Universe C.
The narrative promotion of Universe C also results in it becoming parasitic to Universe B; not only are the imaginers of Universe B still siphoning H-energy away from their own universe to Universe C, but imaginers from Universe A, in contributing to Universe B, may come upon the canonised original imagination of Universe C, and thus may cease siphoning H-energy to Universe B in favour of Universe C. Because of these aspects, a narrative promotion typically foreshadows, or is simultaneous to, the canon collapse (see: Anti-Prime) of Universe B.“
Connected to Comment 2 to 1
If that was all jargon to you, here's the upshot: by leaning into the pocket-universe's chaos and absurdity, the Foundation can make it a dark comedy that appeals to the Author-entities, causing them to write for it. This channels narrative energy into the pocket-universe, raising its narrative dimensionality out of m-story and into 2-story, so it's just another one of the infinite timelines in the SCP Multiverse. This is how the pocket universe becomes lolFoundation, and loses its technological advantage against the ADMONITIONFoundation.
„a storyline sought to control
and un-exact its mortal toll;
another realm, it wrought anew
a twisted caricature of you.
though from our makers, we're uncrossed
PLACEHOLDER MCD will exact the cost:
[DATA LOST]“
The 2-story in-universe reader is Dr. Placeholder. The 3-story in-universe reader is your author-entity - in my example, that's Placeholder McD - which is why your wikidot name appears at the end of the article4. the 'storyline' which sought to control is ADMONITION, by un-exacting their mortal toll of overworking (baseline) King. lolFoundation is the other realm wrought anew, a twisted caricature of the rest of the writing on the SCP Wiki (remember, it's talking to your 3-story author-entity). Though they're no longer a threat to their creators, King/2747 have found a way to be a threat to the SCP Wiki author-entities, themselves, and they don't have the requisite anomalies for "NARRATIVE SAFETY LOCKS" or what have you. This depicts lolFoundation endangering the framework which maintains the entire SCP multiverse.
Hope that answers all your questions!
P.S. one of 2747's tropes is 6 things building up to some climax, followed by a 7th thing falling flat and being uninteresting (or having already been erased). Keeping that in mind, take another look at the structure of the SCP + Addenda, as well as the lines of the end poem.
Footnotes
1. real = determined by the laws of physics, fictional/anomalous = determined by the imagination of authors
2. the implication being that our world is also being partially being influenced by entities in 5-story, who, themselves, are being less manipulated by entities in 6-story, and so on
3. second implication being that our world has some small amount of anomalous phenomena, eg. "how did the pyramids get there?"
4. the author-entity, Placeholder McD, is not me, the real-world author who is typing this. Placeholder McD is an entity in 3-story that I am manipulating, from 4-story, to write narratives in 2-story.
-Yours truly Creative Evil-
Hello author of the author 😁
Just wanted to say hi from the down under
@@cytotoxic6247 Hi (:
This dude just went on an Adderal-fueled CZcams comment rant.
Placeholder forgot one simple rule. You don't mess with another authers story.
This really good for my drive to work!
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE pataphysics! Please keep narrating more!
Wow! Just wow! I’ve got to say, I’ve really taken a liking to this whole “Pataphysics” subject. Amazing work, and what a wonderful SCP! Definitely introduced me to new levels of inspiration!
Its 1 AM bro, do I'm gonna sleep at 2 AM just listening to THIS because of your timing? HELL YEAH!!!
I haven't seriously kept up with the SCP wiki for a long time but I feel that 'Placeholder McDoctorate' even in the context of Pataphysical pages and even as simply a character name goes even lower down the barrel than anything Lolfoundation. It's disturbing that something like that has become accepted by the wiki community in any capacity but that may be just speaking as a dinosaur.
EDIT: Wait... did we just see 'mainstream' Foundation create the Lolfoundation!? That's wild.
I like pataphysics to the extent of all its interconnected and complex stories, however, I see it as a separate Canon for SCP. It makes the other stories just stories, without the whole meta-narrative madness pataphysics brings
I have been watching Professor Kagan's class lectures on the YaleCourses channel. If you can get over his talking like an ignorant boomer the guy is dang good at his job of history/philosophy/mythology. Azamo and the gang seem to be reading a lot of Homer and really understanding it! Good stuff :)
WoW !
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Double WoW !
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Followed the given link and am surprised by the well worked out work that worked out well.
Bravo.
Keep on coming with this kind of high quality extras please.
Me: *sees the title of the SCP, gets a nostalgia flashback of the Splinter Cell games*
"I have bad news for you, Sam. You are old."
Well, reality *is* a fiction of sort, our idea of an object or a person is *not* that object or person, it's just how we imagine those things to be based upon our sensorial perception and filtered through our experiences, which is subjective, i.e. we all have our personal narratives of the reality we live in.
Pataphysics is definitely near the top of my favorite SCP concepts
I’ve been liking these stories but they don’t seem like “SCP’S” they seem like laws of the SCP universe. It’s like us calling thermodynamics scps.
The Scp is the pocket dimension that they created. Not the pataphysics themself
The authors put all this Pataphysical effort just got get people to expand the lolFoundation Canon
Galaxy brain play
Oh, this is part of the lolfoundation canon
@@Lunar994 Admonition*
Yup, this is LolFoundation's origin story.
My Pathfinder setting has a lot in common with pataphysics, and even though it became that way before it became relevant to the SCP universe, I won’t lie, my world’s Narrative Theory became much more coherent and well put together once the SCP writers started doing their thing. And that’s no coincidence.
Glad to hear you've been inspired by my crazy ideas
@@placeholdermcd9465 honestly, I think I cried when I started finding your ideas. It was great to see that I wasn’t the only one that had this sort of idea. You write such well defined explanations that I’ve been able to expand the Great Library from its old hand waving into a thing that my players can actually poke with a stick and I know what happens when they do.
@@Veelofar I'm flattered and intrigued. I've always wanted to play a tabletop RPG but never really had a big enough friend group with sufficient interest.
I stick to my headcanon that Jack Bright follows no narrative but his own
I just remembered that Scarlet king had 7 wives and Dr king is the Scarlet king and anafabula that is attached to him has the number 7 associated with it. I really think this is the Scarlet king
I have a strange feeling 6747 is the actual Procedure behind 110-Montauk. Just a twisting-gut feeling with all the little hints and allusions to Scarlet, "breaking the chains," the number 7, the man's name is KING, King also stands for "K-Incubator/Narrative Generator (KING)", every time an error happens the borders are literally scarlet, (not to mention Scarlet-King is one of the search tags at the bottom), and the amount of effort to prevent an ultimate being from reaching full power.
Someone should do a venn diagram or something comparing the two.
Or perhaps 6747 is just the core of the Scarlet King mythos, as it all started with fiction. All of it does. And 110-Montauk is just one of the many branches of interpretation that may have started from this fiction-based entity.
Or maybe 6747 is just the culmination of years of the foundation doing 110-montauk over and over....
The theories abound...
Either way, this whole article played out somewhat eerily similar to 231....
Just a thought.
The Foundation should do research into developing theoretical "Plot Armor" Thaumiel-class objects for use by its agents.
Just got up, what a treat to listen to while I'm getting ready for work. Thank you for all that you do and keep up the great work!
I'm actually kinda surprised you didn't mention the hidden text. Granted I have yet to find it, but supposedly it is there somewhere. Can't wait to see you cover Metagnostic!
Also, does this mean we could be seeing a future video with more Pataphysic SCPs?
There's a few already made but if there's more I certainly hope he covers them! I love pataphysics
Oh boy 3 am Exploring series
„finally, the 4th wall breaks“
Well, that‘s explicit
I love pataphysics. I hope the authors continue working with it.
I like the idea of pataphysics but it never seems to be implemented in a way that is cohesive and has a good resolution to the story. And SCPs involving pataphysics are usually story-like in some manner, and not as a standard SCP article. While it has some potential, I don't think I've seen pataphysics used in an appealing way yet.
If I can recommend Resolution and The Endless, make sure to watch them in that order and don't research anything.
What if because of the fact that infinite universes are canon in this scp, and the fact that there is a potential at all to make an entity (6747) in one of these universes that can rise through and affect multiple at the same time, variances in baseline reality (SCPs) are just the echo's of entities similar to 6747 passing through our reality, after being created in a reality far below ours. Kinda just came up with this on the spot, but this is a pretty cool idea for a scp 0001 esque starting idea.
Things just get weirder and weirder in this crazy universe.
25:10 Spams machine for easy hiring.
so that's why the whole "King hates apple seeds" thing exists lol
Oh god I missed that entirely
oh my god, this is one of the best SCP i've read so far.
Dropping mondays like a god. Cant wait to get home get comfy and listen to this ✌️
This SCP sounds a lot like the conflict between what CAN be done against what SHOULD be done.
I consider myself to be a decently smart person and able to pick up on things extremely fast, I also like the idea of scps and Im into it.
I yet dont know a SINGLE fucking thing that was said in this video, but to anyone who does understand, you are something else.
Good video by the way :)
Read this skip some time ago and I honestly hoped you'll cover it, because I couldn't understand a damn thing after finishing reading it. Thanks man.
Essentially, it begins like the Foundation got ahold of the reader powers from the Inkheart books, and it ends up devolving into the Deadpool Kills the Universe kind of narrative
@@NSAsterus that's the best way you can put it. Now I'm tempted to go read inkheart again
This is a wonderful birthday present bruh been listening to you for years way back in 19. Holy shit can’t believe it’s been so long ahaha never change mang
this scp entry should have used Hyperstition as a concept, it would have fit extremely nicely
Think the Discworld exists within a 3d universe... 2 imaginary dimensions, 1 real!
There are a lot of Discworld parallels in SCP's.
Yes. You've saved a dreary day
Is this why experiments Dr. King performs in some SCP articles somehow often have apples in the results?
Just finished an all-nighter with only an hour to sleep, figured this is better than the half rem cycle I would've gotten. Perfect timing!
love the long videos know they take alot of effort but its nice to get of work and take a listen
They turned an apple into a main character, funniest shit I've ever seen