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We wish you weren’t this show is the worst thing out of Marvel, honestly would have Watch you guys react to a black screen for seven hours then this absolute garbage fire Waste of money production
@@BaddMedicine People who read the comics know this is actually pretty similar to the tone of SheHulk comics, too. You aren't supposed to take it seriously. She's a more lighthearted, comical character mixed with sex appeal, which is why they never made her huge like Hulk. She's usually a little taller, but never had her looking super bulky. Even when SheHulk made appearances in the 90s Incredible Hulk cartoon, she was sassy and making puns. Always flirting with the badguys to throw them off lol.
that comment of oak's was the exact moment i knew they (especially him) are gonna be immensely critical of it not just because people put a negative lense on their eyes with the comments but also because even tho they might be "nice" guys they dont seem sensitive and empathetic towards women issues and perspectives.
What a load of crap. We do NOT always support each other. Most women tear other women DOWN, not up. Our biggest enemy is other women - not men. Stop speaking for all women, chick.
A group of "ladies" see a woman who looks like she was assaulted and their response is to dress her up like a prostitute and then ditch her. Yeah, it's unrealistic
@@presumed_guilty Not entirely true. Imho, it's more like a reflex from the typical patriarchal upbringing/environment. I think it wasn't intentionally malicious like many others were. But it's still a tad disappointing seeing how far he's come from HP. He showed that he is capable of being compassionate and changing his mind. That's why it was surprising? 🤷🏻♀️🤨🤔 Idk. Just giving benefit of doubt for now....
Women helping each other out in the bathroom is actually pretty accurate. I've seen almost that exact scene play out several times. So no, it wasn't one of the most unrealistic scenes ever. Three dudes follow a small woman making comments that intimidate and frighten her, "That was enough to set her off?" He says sarcastically. Yes. Yes dude. Women have the right to be afraid and pissed off when men do shit like this because we never know if its going to end well or with SA or death. Men didn't react well to this show because they have no clue what the female experience is like. Some of the show was a bit cheesy, but guess what, so was every other Marvel production. But because they were from a mans perspective it was received well. But when people are forced to see the uncomfortable reality for a lot of women suddenly the show is horrible and unrealistic. Come on.
I'm not as critical of Oak's reaction, because it was just that - a gut reaction - and the situation hadn't escalated that far... yet. But I definitely feel what you're saying. I do think there needs to be more awareness about the life experiences of women in these situations, and maybe more understanding that just because something doesn't make sense to one person doesn't mean it isn't someone else's reality or trigger.
No, it's not ok to turn and physically attack people who are creepy. That's a crime called assault. Creepy people aren't criminals and even if they were it's still illegal to assault criminals. This is like people saying Will Smith was justified - nope, still a crime.
Yeah. I'm disappointed too...not that i mattered anyways as a rando online.... (I deleted my story because the comments are incels-filled.) The bathroom scene may be exaggerated but it's the "sisterhood" we have.
I think it's okay not to like a show based on the special effects/cgi or the script, but most of the criticism this show received mostly came from men who felt, strangely, attacked (?) by the social commentary on women's life experiences the show inserted in between jokes and action. So it's hard for me to take those people seriously. Also, as a woman, I felt a little disappointed when the Oak couldn't believe she went off on those guys bothering her. I understand the humor is not his style. But that comment was very ignorant of how annoying or scary those instances can be when you're alone. Especially because life has taught us that you must be on high alert when surrounded by a large group of men. Yes, not all men are abus*rs, but we can't go putting ourselves in dangerous situations just because we don't want to offend or "hurt" a man's ego. As a final note: the reason Jen had an "easier" time managing the Hulk is because it's known that Bruce has DID in the comics. Although I don't know if the MCU is going with that part of his lore, it also can just be his piled up trauma.
Exactly. Some of the critisism was valid but most of it was purely hateful and sexisit, and it came from all these "geeks" who feel entitled to anything comic-book related because in their mind, it's a "boys' thing". They have this "No girls allowed in OUR treehouse" type of immature energy that's just nasty. It makes them uncomfortable to see men - who are usually either the heroe saving the day or the cool villain - just being the average Joe or the average a-hole, so they reject the whole thing without even stopping to think why women see them this way in the first place. The only reason why now we have movies with female heroes is because female comic fans started to wonder why in these movies they were always the side character, the non-cool villain or the bobbleheaded romantic interest
I took zero issue with her being mad, she had every right to be given the behavior of the men in that scene, I’m accustomed to the hulk coming out when extreme violence is needed and despite reprehensible behavior, I didn’t feel like it warranted going hulk. -Oak
@davidbaye3758 I understand where you're coming from now. The comment kinda just didn't seem right to me, considering what I already mentioned. And I agree, maybe it wasn't a Hulk-violence kind of situation, but the Hulk it's know to "come out" when emotions are high and if that was me, in the context of the MCU, I would probably react the same lol
Not everyone wants to be a super hero. Jennifer being a lawyer is a huge part of her character and she doesn't want to abandon that. I wasn't a big fan of the show but the hate online was, as usual with female-led shows, extremely exaggerated.
@@Msmykimoto2U them goofy ass cases , corny flat jokes except the first episodes post credit scene, terrible writing throughout the “sitcom”, they spent millions on bad cgi especially that twerking scene
@@azmadeclutch9666 so you're upset about ass? Dude. It's just ass. I understand if you don't get any but I promise it won't kill you. The show was meant to be exactly what it was. Fun, goofy, silly, not taken too seriously. Every Marvel show doesn't have to be Loki or Endgame serious. Get over it
The reason Jenn doesn't have a Hulk identity to wrestle with is because Bruce Banner had _dissociative identity disorder_ (DID) since a child. For him, the Hulk transformation was also linked with another identity and over the years through comics, the Hulk had several identities as well (green hulk, grey hulk, Joe Fixit hulk, etc.). Because he'd been the only Hulk for a while, Bruce and others simply assumed it was the transformation that caused the other identity, but it was unique to Bruce. This is why She-Hulk, Abomination, and other Hulk-like beings don't have some "other guy" they need to wrestle with.
@@Rhodair yes exactly this ^ I wrote a very similar comment lmao. Right after watching Moon Knight it could give them the tools to see it in Bruce/Hulk.
@@Rhodair I think it also turned out that Professor / Smart Hulk was just another alter, which I hope they eventually do with MCU Bruce, because I miss Savage Hulk, he just wants friends :( Also I wanna see Devil Hulk. I wonder if Disney is brave enough to adapt Immortal Hulk, that'd be a trip.
Yup! That scene was very realistic lol. Complete strangers but if something's wrong, you'll get taken care as if y'all were homegirls. I love these guys, but I do cringe when guys try to speak on what's realistic and wbat's not realistic about women experiences. The guys are usually loud and wrong lol. No one's perfect though. We all can learn new stuff...
The comics actually fit the start here well... Even the crash, the blood swap, and her coming out of it instantly more capable than Hulk was at controlling her rage and power. While not as powerful as peak Hulk, Jennifer Walters was much more adept at being a "Hulk" than Bruce was.
Right I watched that a knew that is exactly what would happen in the ladies room at a bar or club. Guys just not realizing that would happen and thinking it is the most “unrealistic scene” was funny to me as it is the most realistic scene in the show. Also the following scene being enough to set her off yeah because not the first time it has happened in a female’s life and the fact after one no you are followed yeah you go Hulk if you could.
I feel like She Hulk was overhated. It was a cute sitcom about an unserious lady. It was different and interesting. I have no idea why people… judged it so seriously. It was fun!
@4:13 - not so unrealistic imo, some women do help an support other women especially when they look like they've been a victim. But just my opinion sorry for any discourse.
Yeah, I feel like these guys are very much watching this through the lens of a male perspective. I'm a dude myself, but from what I've heard from women, it's not hard to understand things like "yes, women support each other when it matters" and "yeah, being harassed by a group of men at night leads to the very legitimate fear for your safety". Not saying I blame them, a lot of men just don't have the experience to realize that a woman's experience is, in some ways, very different. (Shout-out to my mom and sister, as growing up with them instead of my dad, I think, prevented me from getting too entrenched in that confusion.)
@@ashertonic2798 but people turning into giant green hulks is realistic? this is like people complaining the science isn't accurate in Star Wars or Star Trek. If you can suspend disbelief in one aspect of a show why can't it carry over to other parts? The clothes were over the top for laughs because it's a light-hearted sitcom, not a documentary.
@@jenniferhortillano9609 The conversation isn't about questioning the realism of the fantasy aspect. The conversation isn't about questioning the realism of a completely different show. The conversation is about the realism of a choice that the supposed "human" aspect made in this show. A woman stumbles into the bathroom with blood on her, her clothes are torn, and she's not speaking clearly. The "women" assume the worst and proceed to not call the cops, dress her as a prostitute, and then abandon her at the bar where the drunks treat her like a prostitute. It wasn't "over-the-top", and it wasn't comedy. It was a lazy, poorly written, set-up for another "men bad, women victim" scene
A lot of us LOVED this show. It just got a lot of loud dude-bro a-holes angry, because a lot of the subject matter hit a little close to home. As a fan of The Hulk, I absolutely hate how they've jumped straight to a neutered Bruce because they can't figure out how to use him. But everything about Jen is effing PITCH PERFECT from the comic, and a fun change of pace for Marvel.
i think theres a lot of confusion of what to do with the hulk because he's so darn powerful. i havent read a ton of hulk comics but when i saw him in movies, he's most of the time the adversary of the heroes. Hulk vs Wolverine or Hulk as a gladiator in the thor movies
@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 ooh the giant OAK TREE of a man doesn't know what it's like to be a meek woman? the travesty... the indignation.... 😲🫢🙄
So true, like how is she going to brag + play victim card by talking about how good she is at keeping her emotions in check but then use her super powers to assault some guys trying to pick her up... talk about hypocrisy
@@mrman-yj3bn She wasn't in control the first time she hulked out, she also didn't know she was a hulk at that point in the story, she bragged/preached about being good at keeping her emotions from showing on the outside way after that, and she never claimed to have 100% control of her emotions 100% of the time. If you think that does not matter then you should realize that the character of Jen is written as having a lot of flaws. By all means take it up with the writers. Those guys weren't trying to pick her up, unless you have a different definition of "picking someone up". If you think those guys, as a group, were flirting with her then you are naive/innocent/ignorant (pick whichever one you think is the most accurate).
Gentlemen, I'm going to be honest; I think some of your recent reactions, this one included along with your attempted venture into Studio Ghibli, is proof that you need to stop reading the commenter's opinions on the movies/series they're recommending to you. You need to just take their recommendation and add it to your list and then leave it at that because it's unfortunately starting to become very clear that your viewers biases are negatively impacting your reactions. When someone tells you how bad a show/movie is going to be then you're already going into that piece of media with a negative mindset and you're already looking for things to nitpick and judge. And when people tell you how amazing a movie/series is then you're going into that reaction with that thought in your mind and when it doesn't live up to the hype or you just plain didn't enjoy it then it leads to more disappointment and potentially misunderstandings with the viewers. (See Spirited Away for example) Obviously, you're not going to like every recommendation and you may also enjoy things that the commenters hated, that's just life and opinions but I think these little remarks people make about shows/movies that you're going to watch are definitely clouding your judgement just a little. Just something to consider for the future of the channel :)
@@davidbaye3758 Of course. That's why I said "Obviously, you're not going to like every recommendation and you may also enjoy things that the commenters hated, that's just life and opinions" in my previous comment. I'm merely saying that as a viewer I have noticed a small pattern forming where you're letting other viewers opinions about shows/movies cloud your own judgement before even watching them. Maybe others disagree with me, that's fine but personally for me when I start watching a reaction from you guys and I hear/see this happen it's just a no go for me.
@@Jsqueegiee Different doesn't always mean bad. Art is subjective, not simply good/bad. Art can tell you about the creator, the audience, and yourself if you're open to it. Some struggle with empathy. If they aren't intended as the primary audience they deem it as bad or trash, completely dismissing the experience of a significant fanbase that obviously did feel a strong connection with the material.
The show is objectively bad. Terrible writing, terrible CGI, blatant bashing on men for no reason, the twerking scene, it just feels like a gag series and not a real MCU story.
@@rebel8215 I am glad you mentioned 'blatant bashing on men'. If you list all of the m/f characters in the series and separate them based on negative/positive portrayals there are objectively more positive male characters than female.
That's what I was about to say lol. That scene was probably THE most realistic scene in the show because they clearly don't know how women's restroom at a nightclub, bar, etc is like lol...
Marvel has given us horror, sci-fi, war movies, spy movies...etc. This is a sit-com. Try to see it for what it is. Not everything is life and death stakes.
@azmadeclutch9666 maybe not a good one, but that's what they were going for, a workplace sitcom. (If it isn't that, please enlighten me as to what it is.)
In the comics, iirc, She-Hulk takes the appearance of basically Jen’s dream self or what she believes is her best self so her having fabulous hair is because of that lol
The negative reaction to this show was not actually universal. The whole thing where Jen doesn't become a different person in Hulk form is straight out of the comics, going back 40 years. Her habit of breaking the fourth wall also goes way back. In the comics, Bruce literally has dissociative identity disorder but they never dug into that at all in the movies.
@@FateXO The echo chamber is the one you live in watching red 💊 content all day, telling you to stay inside because you're under attack and society hates you. Judging by the way you're lashing out and insulting everybody in the comment section, you're the one who needs to go out, touch grass and reconnect with the real world where people are...normal and civil. You give off "isolated" vibes.
Also, if you can’t see the difference between She-Hulk and Jennifer in size, then you guys have some sort of vision issue. As far as her hair, she’s looking like she looks in the comic book so sorry to disappoint you about her hairstyle. You guys are just wanting to dislike this.
Being from the comic book doesn't give something the stamp of approval. Shows have their own rules outside comic books. TV is a dynamic visual medium unlike the static pages of a comic book. And you're competing with other shows on tv like House of the Dragon, Fallout, etc. Audiences have come to expect a certain level of writing and logic in stories. This is why straight adaptation from a comic book is ill-advised as often the comic book was written in the MASH era and was competing with Adam West's Batman. The 1960s/70s/80s comics aren't going to be the best competition for 2020's tv unless you do some adaptation. Not only do you need to ditch the uniracial cast, you often need to modernize the tone and provide more context than the comic book did. What audiences liked in 1980 or even 2000 is not what they will accept today.
I get they don't like heroes doing regular life stuff but I feel that is great to see them trying to balance what they want with what they are expected. I mean just making their life solely based on fighting crime can be a burn out if their heart isn't into it. I mean the Beast from Xmen has a whole ass career
I feel like I'm the only person in the world that enjoyed watching this show, i knew it wouldn’t be spectacular, but I still laughed at least once every episode, even if the joke was stupid
as far as i know the reason why bruce battled hulk for control IS LIKE what you said "bruce has a spilt personailty because of his vilonet and abusive father so that is why you get 2 later on in comics you have grey hulk , with jenny it was the case of NO tribble tremors of past,i LOVED the fact that they brought back the guy who played abombtion before it was a good tie in to the other movie, also liked how she broke the 4th wall as well just like inthe comic books
I really enjoyed She-Hulk, especially Jen Walters as a character. I agree the writing isnt the best, but it was a fun show. I think the critics are way too harsh on it. A few notes from your comments: 1. Women's bathrooms actually are a lot like this, it was not unrealistic, just a little exaggerated. But we do help each other out when needed. 2. Her reaction to those men was highly justified because too many women are sexual assault victims and we need to take every situation like that seriously.
It's a little unrealistic since the women's bathroom (like the men's) is one of the most common places to be bullied. Yes, bathrooms can also be a place of camaraderie but that's not true all the time. She physically assaulted the men before they had done anything illegal - that's a crime. Being uncomfortable is not reason to punch people or shy people would punch people all the time.
@@MrBrock314 it's a TV show. Half of the times with superheroes the criminals have not actually done the crime yet and they're still attacked by the superhero. That's how it works in TV shows
They’re MCU fans not Marvel fans, gamma radiation causes irritability in human form as well and they didn’t know that at all which is one of the most common things about Hulk.
The reason Jen has all her senses is because the gamma rays affect each person differently. It brings out the persons inner self. Bruce was filled with childhood anger and rage which is why he transformed into the rage monster. Jen had a repressed childhood, the goody two shoes, conformed, etc., so when she was affected she remained self aware and in the comics she’s sort of a wild child. Insatiable, horny and wild.
4:41 to guys that was just some men talking trash. To women, she was in danger of being assaulted. Glaring difference in how men and women are taught to be vigilant and to spot threats
Yeah, to them those men are just "talking trash" because they have never been at risk of becoming a statistic. Those men have never followed them around, started running after them or became violent, agressive and stalkerish when they were told "hey, leave me alone" or got rejected. Women and girls die of that all the time and we are all VERY aware of it. It's literally on the news all day every day. It's almost like they become selectively deaf/blind when they hear news about women getting killed, tortured or raped by...men. Then they act confused when women choose the bear, the cats and the dogs over a random man in the woods. And yeah, yeah, we know that "not all men", but there are ENOUGH men doing it to the point that women have to constantly be on their toes.
Ur so right. I've been there a few times too many back in the day, but I will say I can see how Quinn maybe thought that be unrealistic cause he is a guy and just not been in the woman's bathroom I assume lol.
@BaddMedicine Oak is usually so open-minded, but it seems like the comments he's read before watching have influenced his opinion. She Hulk is not the Hulk. She's never gotten bigger than that, and she always has had control. Just accept it as just a difference in how it manifests in her. The biggest thing to remember is that she just got his blood and not the pure effect in the lab accident.
In the comics, his dad was an abusive POS so when Bruce became Hulk it was 100% trauma that made him a rage-monster, not inherently being Gamma-fried. The fact he never talks about it is part of the reason he _explodes_ as Hulk
That bathroom scene, i promise you - not that unrealistic!! Sure, the women were a little overly helpful, but like, the amount of times somebody’s helped me out when I needed a tampon or chapstick or a phone call in the bathroom; there’s always been a super nice gal there ❤
Realistic isn't the right word. Optimistic is the right word. Women's bathrooms like men's are common places for bullying. In REALITY, she was as likely to get bullied as helped.
As a woman marvel fan, I feel like I’m part of the target demographic for this show and personally I love it and all the metaphors for what women go through.
as a dude marvel fan. I really liked this show, but yes it's a different target demographic to the usual marval movies, and that's ok. I like that they did something different and I like that it's basically ally McBeal with super powers. My biggest complaint is that the second last episode was awesome and left off with an epic tone but they just waved it all away with too much 4th wall breaking and basically laughed at the audience for wanting a concluding plot.
I really liked this show. There are a few choices I wouldn’t have made, especially in the end but overall it was fun. As soon as Oak seemed shocked that a woman could be angry and scared that 5 guys at a bar were following her I knew this show wasn’t for them.
3:53 I know men and women can't ever truly know what it's like to be the other, but I'm always a little disappointed when men react to portrayals of women's basic experiences with incredulity. The bathroom scene was exaggerated for laughs, but women absolutely help people like Jen in there. And I think most women would transform into a Hulk if we could when three men start harassing us. I know my fight or flight instinct is triggered in such situations.
So are you disappointed when you find WOMEN react the same way as men with incredulity regarding that unrealistic bathroom scene? Most times I find myself wanting to She Hulk out against other women, not men.
@@roedhunt I'm sorry that you feel more threatened by other women, but yes, that a fellow woman would react the same way is also disappointing. But I'd also feel sad that she has never experienced, witnessed, or maybe failed to recognize us supporting each other in that way. This video features the reactions of four men, so that is way I specifically mentioned men.
@@ragtimeraver I don't feel threatened by other women. I want to rage out on them because there are many who are so outrageously irritating, vindictive, backstabbing cows. I've had many experiences with these types and that's why I have very few female friends. So this "Girl Power" crap is BS. Plus, are women so insecure they need other women to help them feel special about themselves? They need support groups? Please. They can kiss my ass. I'm not going to support someone simply because we have the same body parts. I support HUMANS of all ages, sex, etc. Regarding the bathroom scene.. All they did was dress her up to look like a whore. Makeup, platform shoes and a idiotic fur coat. They didn't see if she was ok or hurt. Some support.
@@roedhunt Now I feel even sadder for you given your evident feelings of misogyny. Big yikes. I hope you get the help and support you desperately need. 💗
I had to logon to my computer to leave this message after watching your reaction to episode one. Two things that you all need to be aware of: 1. She-Hulk was originally and always a parody comic with 4th wall breaks all the time just like Deadpool. 2. This is a series not a movie. They are not going to explain everything in the first episode.
This show is actually a lot of fun. And Tatiana is wonderful as She-Hulk. This isn't meant to be one of Marvel’s serious shows. They can experiment with different genres. And, this is a comedy. I can't wait to see her as an Avenger.
Idk if you guys have seen Orphan Black, but that series really shows Tatiana Maslany's acting ability i reakon given the roles she had to do in that series. That was a great show.
I think her being smaller makes sense considering Bruce was turned by gamma radiation and Jen was turned by just getting a little bit of his blood on an open wound
I gotta push back on the bar scene not being realistic, whether its because you spilled something or got too sloppy drunk or got your period and bled through your clothes, drunk girls in a bar bathroom will go the distance every time, I've had women do my makeup in a bathroom last minute or say "here take this jacket", I found that scene so heartwarming because it's so true!
@@MrBrock314 My dude, you are in these comments sections just trying to point all the negative aspects of some women's behavior. Do you not like women?
TBH….this show has probably the most comic book accurate character Marvel has ever put on tv/movie. The She Hulk is very much like this in the comic books
@@BlackDeathThrash and that’s great for you. I didn’t say it was good or bad. I just stated a fact that’s it. But I happened to enjoy it, you didn’t like it that’s fine
This She Hulk leans into the glamorous version of the character. I enjoyed it for what it was. As to the episode length, it’s meant to be sitcom length. They did 9 shorter episodes instead of 6 longer ones
@@touijj not really, that’s what happened in Shang Chi, they even leave together after the fight. At no time watching this episode did I think the Abomination had broken out of the prison.
people who are used to content being catered to them tend to have more trouble accepting it when it isn't. When I initially watched this all of the negative reviews (a large chunk of which were made before the show even aired, in hindsight) had affected my expectations. I wish I could have gone in fresh. But I did my best to give it an unbiased fair try and I didn't hate it.
It's also important to realize stuff that is for you can also be bad. Moonfall was a fun movie and terrible. I love disaster movies but the story is nonsensical in every sense of the word. I don't pretend Moonfall is a good movie just because I love disaster movies. You can love a movie and still realize it's awful in a more objective sense.
@@MrBrock314 true, but I don't think anyone here is saying that stuff that is catered to you can't be bad. Most people are really disappointed when a movie/show they are the target demographic for and is a property they love was poorly researched or diluted for mass appeal. That's very different from the hate that people have when they feel entitled and betrayed that a property they love decided not to include them in the target audience.
This show was a blast, and Tatiana Maslany was excellent as Jen Walters! The finale was wonky, and some episodes are more fluff than substance, but this show was exactly what it was aiming for and it was tons of fun in doing that.
Guys, your comment about the girls in the bathroom being the most unbelievable, that was actually quite believable. In a smaller bar situation like that, a group of women see another in distress, in the bathroom, hell yes they are helping. Girl code. Directly after that, she is surrounded by 3 guys that are cat calling her, pressuring her, backing her away from the bar. They are larger than she is, she is outnumbered and it could easily turn into an SA situation. Damn right she was scared. When someone is scared fight or flight takes over. She just became an Hulk so fight it was, instinctually. Gentleman, before you speak, please put yourself in our shoes for a moment. Your "What was wrong with that?" shows that I wouldn't feel safe being alone with the four of you.
You're not a hero, you're a useful tool for the feminist showrunners. You do NOT need to explain harassment and danger to these men, they are the exact type of men who would protect women. The fact that you arrogantly believe you need to explain anything here is actually so disgusting.
I wouldn't feel safe being alone with the four of you." You are EVERYTHING wrong with women today. What an absolutely disgusting, baseless, moronic accusation. Although, I'm curious, do you OFTEN try to get yourself alone with four men you don't know? I'm curious. Inquiring minds, etc.
Most of your 'issues' around ep1 are based on the fact you can only view it from an MCU perspective as I found this comic book/character accurate. This is EXACTLY what she hulk was like so i thought it was a good series with an unfortunately ridiculous bad 'guy' element
I don't understand why people take so seriously a character that in the comics was a comedy type character. Not defending the flaws of this TV series, but Bruce and her are completely different characters so I'm not so upset about their differences
If Bruce is supposed to be completely different, they shouldn’t have cast Mark Ruffalo. He’s Avengers-Hulk with life & death stakes. Then they make him into a buffoon here? Come on
@@wowkirBruce and Jen are two very different characters. Bruce was also portrayed as a lovable goofball in the MCU after he melds the two personalities together, which doesn't just affect him emotionally but also physically.
She woke up in the woods all disoriented, made her way to a bar and despite those women helping her out she's waiting outside while three strange men approach her and despite her saying she's waiting for her boyfriend and attempting to avoid them, and they still continue towards her ignoring her just saying they are being friendly, and Oak wonders what she's afraid of? I mean come on.
Generally speaking when we see the hulk come out it’s a matter of rage and in a circumstance where extreme violence is needed. I didn’t say or imply in any way that the behavior of the men was ok. I simply didn’t see it as a rage/violence inducing situation, especially given the context of the show. -Oak
@@davidbaye3758I think that was point the show was trying to make; it doesn’t take much to agitate Bruce or Jen but they’ve had to learn how to control it (sometimes).
@@davidbaye3758 I think what most of the critics bumped up against, stems from this same kernel, "...but when The Hulk did the same thing". The Hulk and She-Hulk are entirely separate characters. As I stated elsewhere, The Hulk and She-Hulk have different origins. Hulk's was a bomb that bombarded him with gamma radiation... while Jen was transfused with Hulk's stable blood. We go even deeper when Bruce states excitedly how her body metabolizes the gamma radiation "differently" than his own. The last note, is that Bruce also states that the transformation is triggered by feelings of distress... of which a solo woman being surrounded by four men that have displayed no desire to listen to her "no", would fully count.
@@Rated314 I think the problem is how they played it in the show. There's a point to make and a way to make the point but there's no sense of remorse for the violent outburst even though what she did was categorically illegal. She literally assaulted the four men. Yes, it's implied they were up to no good but they hadn't done anything that would warrant throwing them 30 feet through the air and when she wakes up from that rage, there are apparently no consequences nor remorse for having physically assaulted "bad" people. It's just played off as "they had it coming" which is the entirely wrong message. Minority Report is a whole movie based on the premise that punishing people for pre-crime is a bad idea.
I loved this show. People nowadays hate for the sake of hating. This is probably one of the more comic book accurate Marvel Show today. You will see her size difference once she interacts with other humans. She also looks much smaller than the Hulk in the comics. And she was the 1st Marvel character to break the 4th wall in the comics. Way before Deadpool. But, yeah... it's much more lighthearted than other shows. But that's how the character is depicted in her comics.
People don't generally hate for the sake of hating. It would have far higher than a 32% audience score if some people were just hating for the sake of hating. 68% of the public doesn't hate for the sake of hating. Maybe 10% of that score is for that reason, but not 68%.
The series is not bad. It is funny, witty, somewhat follows big plot points from the comics (where she's basically female Deadpool, with lots of 4th wall breaks, humor, sex jokes...) but it also involves many real life issues women face (workplace discrimination, sexual harassment, dealing with men's emotional (in)ability, impostor syndrome, needing to feel vulnerable in relationships where others want to take advantage of you...) where men either are not so comfortable watching or straight up mess up by not acknowledging the fact that it happens. It is by no means a "weak" series, but many men are not ready or willing to recognise why it's so good. I hope that, even if you don't participate of the in-jokes, you appreciate them being there for the She-Hulk public. Not every media product is aimed at every demographic.
@@gamingwithdaru You're saying that as if the cringe humour in this show is somehow clever or something. It isn't. The showrunners are mindless man-hating feminists and they can't write a courtroom scene to save their lives.
@@kylemccormack1785 "Man-hating feminists"? Pug, Wong, Bruce, Matt... all great male characters in this show. The show makes a point of vilifying men with *shitty behavior* specifically; if you think that means they hate "all men", you're telling on yourself as to what you think men should be.
I agree with almost all of this. But I think calling her "basically female Deadpool" is a little backwards; She-Hulk existed and broke the fourth wall years before Deadpool was ever created. In that sense, in terms of the meta-humor, Deadpool is a male She-Hulk 😁
Also, Oak's little comments when Jen was being harrassed at the bar are very telling. Not accusing you of anything except ignorance but that was an incredibly insensitive thing to say. You have a mother and you have a wife, I'm sure the women in your life have gone through something similar except they didn't have superpowers to defend themselves with. I also think you have a son (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think you should rethink this mindset you have about what women go through if you're going to raise that young man correctly.
I get what you are saying but his point is still valid. While those guys were wrong and being very inappropriate and were totally harassing her, it hadn't come to the point where violence even to defend yourself would be justified. She could have just walked back into the bar for example and get to where there were other people around, ESPECIALLY since those guys just got thrown out of the bar so wouldn't be welcome.
Her emotions to the situation are valid - most women have been there with shitty men. Jenny’s a strong personality in a petite body, she’s probably used to doing a lot to make sure she gets her point across, so normally her reaction would be fine. I think the point was to show the Jenny needed to learn control b/c while many women would also snap back, those women don’t also have Hulk powers.
@@mitchellhp Good point, didn't think about that. Wtihout Hulk powers which she doesn't fully knows she has or understands at that point, she might have just screamed at those guys to leave her alone , which would have been totally understandable, but her powers probably made her react a bit different than she normally would have.
Also! Did you know that the comments that appear on episode 2 (when they are talking about She Hulk and her being the result of making Hulk female) are actual online comments people left on the announcement of this series...damn the ignorance!
This show is really just a comedy lawyer sitcom. She even calls it a "fun lawyer show". That goofy flying kick thing should've been a big clue that this ain't that serious. If you go into this with that mindset, instead of expecting big "End Game" epicness, it's much more enjoyable. As far as the whole "banner struggled for 15 years while she only took a couple weeks" thing, she's standing on the shoulders of Bruce's 15 year struggle. She was given control instead of having to earn it like Bruce has had to do, and that's is part of the narrative of her story. Running into issues being overconfident with the hulk abilities and having to learn "on the job". Having watched this channel for a while and seeing the kind of stuff you guys enjoy, I'm confident that if you stick with it, ignore other's reviews, shed all expectations, and just take it for what it is, I think you guys will really enjoy this show.
If you go into this show wanting to hate it, you'll find plenty of things to nitpick and criticise. Of you could just take it for what it is. A comedy show set in the MCU trying to have fun.
Show is actually what its supposed to be. campy action funny commentary and problem of the week plot. The overall villain is very unique(and lifelike) too.
Yeah no being harrassed by three men at night after you have just been in a terrbile car crash and are disoriented as hell really is no valid reason to be upset. How could she? Oak really is a great guy but as soon as he is annoyed by something he gets into a state where he becomes disrespectful and spiteful quite quickly. This was honestly disappointing.
It’s absolutely a reason to be upset, but generally when a transformation into the Hulk happens, you expect it to be in a situation that requires extreme violence. Women absolutely should be upset by this kind of behavior and it’s never acceptable. -Oak
@@davidbaye3758 I think the very real possibility of being gang raped could be one of those situations where one would go for extreme violence to defend themselves. Just my opinion.
After seeing all of the Hulk movies I also found it quite odd how that made her transform there especially with how much it took for Bruce to go off. This could be because she has complete control over it for the most part and isn't trying to suppress anything like him. The show itself was poorly written and this scene should've happened after training with Bruce so we have the knowledge beforehand.
@@NickTemperistic By the time the action really kicks in (post intro scene) in the 2008 movie, Bruce has been working to control the Hulk for 5 years. Of course he's able to hold it off for longer, than Jennifer who has had the power for all of a few hours and no understanding of what's going on.
I agree with the comments about The Oak having a weird attitude for this one. If only you guys had the same low bar like you did for the terrible Road House remake.
From the reactions I have seen, it seems he doesn't do well with comedy/ campy films and shows. Mason and Answer typically have a far better time with that sort of material.
@@cruelangel8689 Fun movies and shows are fun. But this show is often not a fun show - it's a silly show a lot of the time. Silly is not always fun. There's a Venn diagram with overlap but there are areas where silly is not fun and fun is not silly and this show spent more time in the silly circle and less time in the overlap.
So I liked this show. Yeah, not as good as it could have been, but I liked it. The big thing to understand about She-Hulk is that she is NOT HULK. The show touches on this, but the thing is, the name makes you expect that she'll just be another big green rage machine like Bruce was- and that's not true. It was only ever true for the character for short periods- right at the start, when she WAS meant to be 'just a female Hulk' but also a little later. But her going 'savage' is always used thematically different than with Bruce. For Bruce, the Hulk was more of a repressed personality due to past trauma. For Jessica, the Hulk is meant to be her repressed CONFIDENCE due to societal pressures to conform as a woman- there's a LOT of feminist messages in She-Hulk, even if they're not always blatant or well written. Actually, in the comics, that's a big thing with ALL the Hulks and Hulk-squad- Abomination, Red Hulk, A-Bomb, Red She-Hulk... The Hulk isn't JUST anger, it's REPRESSED anger, frustration, sexuality, desire, etc. It's almost like the Mask from The Mask. It unleashes your inner whatever no matter what it is, along with a heaping helping of size and muscle.
In the comics, She-Hulk received a "diluted" version of the gamma radiation via Bruce's blood, which is why she had better control (and a less Savage and more Amazonian look) than he did in the '80s. She also frequently broke the 4th wall (before Deadpool) for comedic effect, giving her comics a lighter tone.
I like this show, sure the cgi is not amazing, but I dont care, its just a tv show. And Bruce/hulk split thing is not about being the hulk as such, its about his past trauma creating internal rage. She does not have that in the same way. Dont take it too seriously, its just fun.
4:39 😢😢😢😢😢 ooooh Oak I love you so much and you are my bias in the group (tho I love you all) but that comment triggered me a lil' ; being cat-called in the night after you already said NO the first time and they still follow you in a place you don't know and already feel scared about is ENOUGH to Hulk out. I wish I could do that so many times it happened to me 😢 .... it's such a scary moment especially when you know physically you can't fight them and probably can't outrun but just wish something can get you out of there. That comment hurt but overall your reactions was funny like always guys. BTW I loved the show, it was fun, relatable in some aspects and just a great time. ❤
As a guy though there have been times where I'm just trying to help a lady or say hi and they get weird about it. So many times women play victim for no reason that I can't even take y'all seriously anymore.
@@chajong00 I'm not talking about what happened in the show. I'm talking about how so many women wanna always start something that isn't even a thing. Just watch the show and enjoy. Stop picking apart everything that someone says.
@@NickTemperistic am also reacting to their video ; thats the point of us watching; they made their channel such a space for all of us to voice out our reactions to their reaction; thats what I did. I liked the overall reaction, just didn't like that comment, thats all. And for the "many women" that seem doing too much for u sometimes, in every group of species, there are those 🤷🏾♀️😌
@BaddMedicine, 20:04 I think that's exactly it! Bruce came to terms with his other side and now they live as one. The catcalling might not make much sense to guys, but you should watch it with the women in your lives and see how they view it. Many women seem to relate to that scene. You do know that this series is playing off of Ally McBeal, right? If not, expect that sort of humor/storytelling from here on out. It might not be your cup of tea, but it might grow on you. I don't think it was as bad as many made it out to be. She-Hulk's comic is different, and I think this series embodied that. 20:30 Bruce explained why in his lab. Jen's DNA is unique, it allows her to control the Hulk. The suppressors or whatever they are calling it in her in her permitted blood Bruce to fix his arm. 20:54 There is more to their upbringing...keep watching =) 21:10 I wouldn't look too deeply into your Marvel encyclopedia, as the MCU is its own thing. Yes, it draws inspiration from the comics, but it isn't the comics. Tony isn't a vet in the MCU, Peter doesn't work for the Daily Bugle, Bruce didn't get caught in an atomic blast and Thor, well, he's very different too! 22:56 Jen in the comics almost always looks the way she does in this series, like a tall supermodel. She has been drawn huge like Bruce, but she usually looks like we're seeing her. If it helps, attribute her small size the the small amount of blood she received from Bruce. 28:27 What you don't like...is actually, IMHO, pretty true to her comic, which is different. She was different and unique before Deadpool was =/ 31:08 So close! Alley McBeal =) 48:52 Thaddeus Ross was Emil Blonsky's commanding officer. He was given a mission and he did it--keep in mind what Dr. Erskine told Steve about the serum (it makes a person more of what they are). Emil was a highly decorated special forces soldier that always took on dangerous missions, and he had a very high success rate. What do you think Dr. Erskine's serum would do to a person like that? The serum Thaddeus gave Emil was also spliced with the sample Samuel Sterns was working with. Emil couldn't help himself since the serum was egging him on to succeed. He has a case here. How he turned himself around is something to be studied. The next episode has one of the best new additions to the MCU. I can't wait to see what you think of this new character =)
"Universally"/ Nah not correct. Enjoy it for what it is (a weekly sitcom style show like Ally McBeal), and it is enjoyable. Hold it to standards of other shows, and you are doing yourself a disservice. It was Mark Ruffalo doing the voice in this show. They didn't give this show as much of a budget as others. Hulk was already in the Marvel assets database so it was easy to reuse and has already been refined for years through the other MCU movies. She-Hulk is supposed to look more natural, so they were essentially starting from scratch. Female faces generally have "softer" faces vs guys may have more wrinkles or beard stubble. It is a balance they will figure out. The hair change is accurate to the comics. Breaking the 4th wall has been around in She Hulk longer than Deadpool. The comedy style is true to the comics. Bruce stabilizing himself as Smart Hulk didn't change his DNA. Its just the way the gamma radiation in his blood mixed with her blood. Oak looks like he is trying to not like this intentionally. Not one smile cracked at all during any part of Episode 1. Loosen up dude.
Hold it to standards of shows period and it's a letdown. 32% audience score. That's low compared to Twilight and Morbin' Time and Madame Web. It's one thing to like a show, it's another to pretend that it was well-liked and a secret treasure. This show is in the same category as Madame Web, Secret Invasion, and Morbius. And that's not my opinion, it's backed up by thousands of reviewers across dozens of sites.
I don't know why people (men) hate this show. I liked it. The plot was kind of weak but I love the campiness of it. Reminds me of old 80/90's shows. It's a TV show, not a blockbuster movie.
@@rebel8215 ooooh you got me with the audience score. A score that was determined by people who went out of their way to submit a score, not by everyone who watched the show. Tell me about the critic's score next and see if that changes my mind or life experience. People who rely on that stuff are just living in a world of confirmation bias. It's okay to like or dislike stuff regardless of what the rest of the people like or dislike. You don't have to follow the herd.
@@jenniferhortillano9609 You could make that argument but then I'll ask you this; Why is there not going to be a season 2? Oh I know, because the lead actress said they "blew their budget"! I'm not relying on that stuff to form my own opinion. I watched the show once, thought it was awful, then as I do with all shows/movies, I watched it a second time. Still awful. Iirc that show had a higher budget for 3 episodes than the entirety of Deadpool 1, and you'd think it was the opposite when you watch those 2 projects. The show is objectively trash, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.
@@rebel8215 No, it's not a fact because I and a lot of other people as demonstrated by the comments liked it ergo it is SUBJECTIVE and the fact that you didn't like it is totally fine but don't confuse your FEELINGS for facts no matter how hard you feel them. I don't like a lot of very popular movies/shows that have very high scores but it's okay because art is subjective and I don't feel the need to go around telling everyone how much I hated everything I didn't like. Let people like what they like, it's literally not hurting you at all in any way.
I think for anyone who doesn’t know anything about She Hulk and didn’t read any of the comics could be jarred by how un Hulk like she is. In the comics, she’s not like Bruce at all. She always adapted to being a Hulk better than Bruce. She’s always been funny and witty and sexual and fourth wall breaking in the comics. I think this is a certainly a time where not having any knowledge of the character actually hurts the viewing experience.
I just wish that the funny I the show was actually funny. There were funny moments but most of it was just cheesy it felt pandering. I’m all for female empowerment but how many times can they say it or make a joke. It was like enough already. I also think the choice to not really have a clear story and just kind of fumble through the whole season is their biggest mistake. Like Titania one of my favorite She-Hulk villains was a bratty influencer? Really? Or what they did with Abomination! I understand they wanted to break the MCU mold but I think there was a more intelligent way to do that while still doing the character, the fans, and the incredibly talented Tatiana Maslany justice. And I just don’t think they did that. I didn’t hate the entire thing but I definitely hated a lot more of it than I should have. Heck I would have loved had they just stuck to the legal comedy and every week was a different case with a single villain or storyline throughout. That could have been fun. But instead they chose to take every writers ideas and actually go forward with it. So there for none of them actually had a fulfilling payoff if that makes sense.
whoa someone triggered about comedy that doesn't apply to them. okay?? and?? move on 😂 lots of people liked it. my husband loved the show so much he made me watch it and we both enjoyed it. not every piece of media has to cater to you. commenting an essay on someone's opinion is just pathetic lmaoo
One theory I believe is Bruce has trauma induced D.I.D. and the Hulk embodies the other personality. Jen doesn't have that underlying issue. Therefore no "other guy".
The first comic I read was Savage She-Hulk. She is funny and beautiful and smart and strong. I love her. The show was good for what it was, a lighthearted comedy.
She-Hulk is the best comic book adaptation Marvel has produced so far. The Sensational She-Hulk comic book was definitely written as a sitcom. So they turned the series into a sitcom. She-hulk was the last character that Stan Lee created for Marvel before he left the company. She maintains control because Stan felt that a female character who gets her powers from losing control of her emotions was a bad stereotype, and he didn't want to go out like that. This is pretty much exactly what the comic book is like. That said, her comic book was never a top ten comic book, she's a character that's not everybody's taste. Don;t worry though, when she's not appearing in her comic book she's written as a serious character. THey actually do address the issue with her hair getting long in the comics. It's because her hair loses it's curl the heavier it gets. It makes no sense to me, but they addressed it. That fight with Titania at the end of the first episode was them trying to recreate a panel from the comic book (Badly recreate) I've always said that the problem with comedy comics is that comic book writers aren't all that funny. So they are hard to adapt.
I thought the show was funny and quirky, but I totally get it if others were put off by it. I was a bit bummed by this reaction, but I guess it's just because they didn't really enjoy it. This series won't be for me on the channel, but I still love the guys and look forward to other reactions. I hope they get more of a kick out if Ms Marvel. I love the cultural aspects of that one.
This comment section is so full of people just complaining about women and "wokeness " when the comments could actually critisize the show but they are just parroting the same talking points of racist political channels pretending to be angry about tv and movies
Please watch it with 'deadpool genre' in mind. Shehulk is a deadpool-like character, so it is bound to be fourth wall breaking silly comedy. Whatever she hulk says, I could easily imagine deadpool saying it.
You guys gotta keep an open as to what a woman goes through every day. Sure, they didn’t seem like the nicest guys, but three against one very small woman is probably some of the most nerve racking things imaginable. That bathroom scene may have been unrealistic for y’all, but you’d be surprised how quickly a woman will jump at the chance to help another woman going through something. Just keep an open mind. This series is really fun for the most part. I still have my qualms with the show, it isn’t perfect by any means. But they really nailed the Jen Walters/She-Hulk identity and character.
@@VykeKing I think you mean "an informed guy telling other less-informed guys about the struggles of women." You don't need to personally experience something to know that it happens lol.
This show is overhated, and I think some of you might have came in with certain biases. Also the bathroom scene Oak commented on is very realistic to many women's experiences, and Jen's situation at the bar is also what a lot of women feel. This show doesn't take things very seriously but it touches upon very specific feelings that women experience and feel in certain scenarios in their lives, and I hope that you guys can continue to engage it with an open mind.
i think eveyeone is being wayyy too dramatic about this show. it doesnt mean anything and nothing changed and it's fine. i dont see why eveyeone is saying its soooo bad when its just fine. its just uneventful
Still think this show was a ton of fun. Which is always what the comic was also. Think of this more like deadpool, this is more sit-com comedy vs deadpools slapstick comedy. If you dont get too bogged down by special effects i think youll have fun watching it
The difference was that Deadpool was actually funny this was just cringe there’s numerous different things that make them different and Deadpool does them all right while this show doesn’t
@@ogvaluedspy4918 there are lots of cringe moments in the show and I do not have a high cringe tolerance, however I did immediately understand the cringe was intentional. That made it a bit more bearable. The show mocks itself and its own genre.
The MCU never truly dove into Bruce/Hulk's situation - he grew up in an abusive family and so that Hulk persona was there (think MoonKnight) and it only came up when the gamma ray experiment hit him (not sure why they never covered it, perhaps the legal whatevers btwn Marvel and Universal..? Remember, we've never had a solo Hulk movie). That's why Jen was able to skip a few steps. Also, she was breaking the 4th wall since her inception (1970s) and Deadpool was created in..91..? I believe. WITH that, she's not meant to be taken seriously, one time she's in court representing Spider-Man (Peter's spidey, IN costume) against J. Jonah Jameson and Spidey talked about why JJJ would single him out all the time... Spidey said "it's because I'm black" and JJJ freaks out. This was made during a time when info about CGI artists' mishandling via companies came up.. so... there's that. This show definitely has a lot of obscure characters With your reactions: interesting that the bar bathroom scene with all the women flew over your heads - it's very real. So is the following scene with the men approaching and nearly surrounding Jen. Flight or fight was kicking in.
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We wish you weren’t this show is the worst thing out of Marvel, honestly would have Watch you guys react to a black screen for seven hours then this absolute garbage fire Waste of money production
Enjoyed this show so much. It’s very much mockumentary and supposed to be goofy
@@blythwilson3473 You know they're not making you watch it, right?
I stopped watching. I can't remember if I even saw episode 2.
@@BaddMedicine People who read the comics know this is actually pretty similar to the tone of SheHulk comics, too. You aren't supposed to take it seriously. She's a more lighthearted, comical character mixed with sex appeal, which is why they never made her huge like Hulk. She's usually a little taller, but never had her looking super bulky. Even when SheHulk made appearances in the 90s Incredible Hulk cartoon, she was sassy and making puns. Always flirting with the badguys to throw them off lol.
Women in the bathroom behaving super friendly? It’s super realistic. I’ve been on so many like the one in the show
that comment of oak's was the exact moment i knew they (especially him) are gonna be immensely critical of it not just because people put a negative lense on their eyes with the comments but also because even tho they might be "nice" guys they dont seem sensitive and empathetic towards women issues and perspectives.
I will never understand any of the hate. She is exactly like her comic version. Online Bros are just big mad. That's all.
4:13 is not unrealistic, us women help each other a lot.
Exactly
What a load of crap. We do NOT always support each other. Most women tear other women DOWN, not up. Our biggest enemy is other women - not men. Stop speaking for all women, chick.
4:10 "Well, that was one of the most unrealistic scenes I've ever seen." 🤣 Oak commenting on women's bathrooms as if he'd know
I thought the same
Yeah kinda made me cringe when he said that.
Toxic Male energy for sure
A group of "ladies" see a woman who looks like she was assaulted and their response is to dress her up like a prostitute and then ditch her. Yeah, it's unrealistic
@@presumed_guilty
Not entirely true. Imho, it's more like a reflex from the typical patriarchal upbringing/environment. I think it wasn't intentionally malicious like many others were. But it's still a tad disappointing seeing how far he's come from HP. He showed that he is capable of being compassionate and changing his mind. That's why it was surprising? 🤷🏻♀️🤨🤔
Idk. Just giving benefit of doubt for now....
Women helping each other out in the bathroom is actually pretty accurate. I've seen almost that exact scene play out several times. So no, it wasn't one of the most unrealistic scenes ever.
Three dudes follow a small woman making comments that intimidate and frighten her, "That was enough to set her off?" He says sarcastically. Yes. Yes dude. Women have the right to be afraid and pissed off when men do shit like this because we never know if its going to end well or with SA or death.
Men didn't react well to this show because they have no clue what the female experience is like. Some of the show was a bit cheesy, but guess what, so was every other Marvel production. But because they were from a mans perspective it was received well. But when people are forced to see the uncomfortable reality for a lot of women suddenly the show is horrible and unrealistic. Come on.
I'm not as critical of Oak's reaction, because it was just that - a gut reaction - and the situation hadn't escalated that far... yet. But I definitely feel what you're saying. I do think there needs to be more awareness about the life experiences of women in these situations, and maybe more understanding that just because something doesn't make sense to one person doesn't mean it isn't someone else's reality or trigger.
touch grass you're so chronically online its pathetic
@@FateXO great suggestion, I hope you lead by example
No, it's not ok to turn and physically attack people who are creepy. That's a crime called assault. Creepy people aren't criminals and even if they were it's still illegal to assault criminals.
This is like people saying Will Smith was justified - nope, still a crime.
Yeah. I'm disappointed too...not that i mattered anyways as a rando online....
(I deleted my story because the comments are incels-filled.)
The bathroom scene may be exaggerated but it's the "sisterhood" we have.
Unrealistic scene in the bathroom?? Are you for real? I've worked in bars for years. That is the most real thing.
fr first thing i thought was "Well, clearly you've never been in the ladies room before"
I think it's okay not to like a show based on the special effects/cgi or the script, but most of the criticism this show received mostly came from men who felt, strangely, attacked (?) by the social commentary on women's life experiences the show inserted in between jokes and action. So it's hard for me to take those people seriously.
Also, as a woman, I felt a little disappointed when the Oak couldn't believe she went off on those guys bothering her. I understand the humor is not his style. But that comment was very ignorant of how annoying or scary those instances can be when you're alone. Especially because life has taught us that you must be on high alert when surrounded by a large group of men. Yes, not all men are abus*rs, but we can't go putting ourselves in dangerous situations just because we don't want to offend or "hurt" a man's ego.
As a final note: the reason Jen had an "easier" time managing the Hulk is because it's known that Bruce has DID in the comics. Although I don't know if the MCU is going with that part of his lore, it also can just be his piled up trauma.
Exactly. Some of the critisism was valid but most of it was purely hateful and sexisit, and it came from all these "geeks" who feel entitled to anything comic-book related because in their mind, it's a "boys' thing". They have this "No girls allowed in OUR treehouse" type of immature energy that's just nasty. It makes them uncomfortable to see men - who are usually either the heroe saving the day or the cool villain - just being the average Joe or the average a-hole, so they reject the whole thing without even stopping to think why women see them this way in the first place. The only reason why now we have movies with female heroes is because female comic fans started to wonder why in these movies they were always the side character, the non-cool villain or the bobbleheaded romantic interest
This is a woke manhate piece of s***
I took zero issue with her being mad, she had every right to be given the behavior of the men in that scene, I’m accustomed to the hulk coming out when extreme violence is needed and despite reprehensible behavior, I didn’t feel like it warranted going hulk. -Oak
@davidbaye3758 I understand where you're coming from now. The comment kinda just didn't seem right to me, considering what I already mentioned. And I agree, maybe it wasn't a Hulk-violence kind of situation, but the Hulk it's know to "come out" when emotions are high and if that was me, in the context of the MCU, I would probably react the same lol
yap yap the show is garbage cry about it
Not everyone wants to be a super hero. Jennifer being a lawyer is a huge part of her character and she doesn't want to abandon that.
I wasn't a big fan of the show but the hate online was, as usual with female-led shows, extremely exaggerated.
Or maybe because it was trash, bad writing, bad cgi, not funny, no actual lawyering
@@azmadeclutch9666 you're wrong by about 99%
@@Msmykimoto2U am I tho? When majority of the peoples problems with this show were all this
@@Msmykimoto2U them goofy ass cases , corny flat jokes except the first episodes post credit scene, terrible writing throughout the “sitcom”, they spent millions on bad cgi especially that twerking scene
@@azmadeclutch9666 so you're upset about ass? Dude. It's just ass. I understand if you don't get any but I promise it won't kill you. The show was meant to be exactly what it was. Fun, goofy, silly, not taken too seriously. Every Marvel show doesn't have to be Loki or Endgame serious. Get over it
The reason Jenn doesn't have a Hulk identity to wrestle with is because Bruce Banner had _dissociative identity disorder_ (DID) since a child. For him, the Hulk transformation was also linked with another identity and over the years through comics, the Hulk had several identities as well (green hulk, grey hulk, Joe Fixit hulk, etc.). Because he'd been the only Hulk for a while, Bruce and others simply assumed it was the transformation that caused the other identity, but it was unique to Bruce. This is why She-Hulk, Abomination, and other Hulk-like beings don't have some "other guy" they need to wrestle with.
@@Rhodair yes exactly this ^ I wrote a very similar comment lmao.
Right after watching Moon Knight it could give them the tools to see it in Bruce/Hulk.
@@Rhodair I never knew that about the Hulk.
@@Rhodair I think it also turned out that Professor / Smart Hulk was just another alter, which I hope they eventually do with MCU Bruce, because I miss Savage Hulk, he just wants friends :(
Also I wanna see Devil Hulk. I wonder if Disney is brave enough to adapt Immortal Hulk, that'd be a trip.
Oak saying that the bathroom scene was unrealistic shows how little he knows of women. lololol
Yup! That scene was very realistic lol. Complete strangers but if something's wrong, you'll get taken care as if y'all were homegirls. I love these guys, but I do cringe when guys try to speak on what's realistic and wbat's not realistic about women experiences. The guys are usually loud and wrong lol. No one's perfect though. We all can learn new stuff...
That girls bathroom seen is accurate😂
It really is! I'm a queer person and this happens all the time all clubs regardless if they are straight or gay.
It is canon that Jen becomes glamorous when she transforms.
She also broke the fourth wall before Deadpool.
The comics actually fit the start here well... Even the crash, the blood swap, and her coming out of it instantly more capable than Hulk was at controlling her rage and power. While not as powerful as peak Hulk, Jennifer Walters was much more adept at being a "Hulk" than Bruce was.
4:14 oak never been a girl in a girls bathroom 😂
yes... because hes never been a girl...
@@ihakarawaatatoby1941 NO WAY!!!
@@carolinalins yes way 😗
Right I watched that a knew that is exactly what would happen in the ladies room at a bar or club. Guys just not realizing that would happen and thinking it is the most “unrealistic scene” was funny to me as it is the most realistic scene in the show.
Also the following scene being enough to set her off yeah because not the first time it has happened in a female’s life and the fact after one no you are followed yeah you go Hulk if you could.
@@mugchic03 yes!!!!
I feel like She Hulk was overhated. It was a cute sitcom about an unserious lady. It was different and interesting. I have no idea why people… judged it so seriously. It was fun!
LOL
The scene where she downplays Bruce's trauma and complains about catcalling and mansplaining comes to mind
@@OmegaSaiyan92 oh I understand, some people are more sensitive than others.
@@Shayshaybayb9 sensitive or not, it was still a bogus comparison she made
@@OmegaSaiyan92 okay thanks for letting me know how you feel, Bruce clearly still loves his cousin so idk what to tell you lol
@4:13 - not so unrealistic imo, some women do help an support other women especially when they look like they've been a victim. But just my opinion sorry for any discourse.
Yeah, I feel like these guys are very much watching this through the lens of a male perspective. I'm a dude myself, but from what I've heard from women, it's not hard to understand things like "yes, women support each other when it matters" and "yeah, being harassed by a group of men at night leads to the very legitimate fear for your safety".
Not saying I blame them, a lot of men just don't have the experience to realize that a woman's experience is, in some ways, very different. (Shout-out to my mom and sister, as growing up with them instead of my dad, I think, prevented me from getting too entrenched in that confusion.)
That was another weird comment from Oak in this one. This is the first time I was really confused by his comments in a reaction.
They don't dress a potential victim up as a prostitute and then abandon them though. It's unrealistic
@@ashertonic2798 but people turning into giant green hulks is realistic? this is like people complaining the science isn't accurate in Star Wars or Star Trek. If you can suspend disbelief in one aspect of a show why can't it carry over to other parts? The clothes were over the top for laughs because it's a light-hearted sitcom, not a documentary.
@@jenniferhortillano9609 The conversation isn't about questioning the realism of the fantasy aspect. The conversation isn't about questioning the realism of a completely different show. The conversation is about the realism of a choice that the supposed "human" aspect made in this show. A woman stumbles into the bathroom with blood on her, her clothes are torn, and she's not speaking clearly. The "women" assume the worst and proceed to not call the cops, dress her as a prostitute, and then abandon her at the bar where the drunks treat her like a prostitute. It wasn't "over-the-top", and it wasn't comedy. It was a lazy, poorly written, set-up for another "men bad, women victim" scene
A lot of us LOVED this show.
It just got a lot of loud dude-bro a-holes angry, because a lot of the subject matter hit a little close to home.
As a fan of The Hulk, I absolutely hate how they've jumped straight to a neutered Bruce because they can't figure out how to use him. But everything about Jen is effing PITCH PERFECT from the comic, and a fun change of pace for Marvel.
i think theres a lot of confusion of what to do with the hulk because he's so darn powerful. i havent read a ton of hulk comics but when i saw him in movies, he's most of the time the adversary of the heroes. Hulk vs Wolverine or Hulk as a gladiator in the thor movies
"That was enough to set her off?"Oh Oak, bless your innocent mind.
@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 ooh the giant OAK TREE of a man doesn't know what it's like to be a meek woman? the travesty... the indignation.... 😲🫢🙄
So true, like how is she going to brag + play victim card by talking about how good she is at keeping her emotions in check but then use her super powers to assault some guys trying to pick her up... talk about hypocrisy
@@mrman-yj3bn She wasn't in control the first time she hulked out, she also didn't know she was a hulk at that point in the story, she bragged/preached about being good at keeping her emotions from showing on the outside way after that, and she never claimed to have 100% control of her emotions 100% of the time.
If you think that does not matter then you should realize that the character of Jen is written as having a lot of flaws.
By all means take it up with the writers.
Those guys weren't trying to pick her up, unless you have a different definition of "picking someone up". If you think those guys, as a group, were flirting with her then you are naive/innocent/ignorant (pick whichever one you think is the most accurate).
Gentlemen, I'm going to be honest; I think some of your recent reactions, this one included along with your attempted venture into Studio Ghibli, is proof that you need to stop reading the commenter's opinions on the movies/series they're recommending to you. You need to just take their recommendation and add it to your list and then leave it at that because it's unfortunately starting to become very clear that your viewers biases are negatively impacting your reactions. When someone tells you how bad a show/movie is going to be then you're already going into that piece of media with a negative mindset and you're already looking for things to nitpick and judge. And when people tell you how amazing a movie/series is then you're going into that reaction with that thought in your mind and when it doesn't live up to the hype or you just plain didn't enjoy it then it leads to more disappointment and potentially misunderstandings with the viewers. (See Spirited Away for example)
Obviously, you're not going to like every recommendation and you may also enjoy things that the commenters hated, that's just life and opinions but I think these little remarks people make about shows/movies that you're going to watch are definitely clouding your judgement just a little. Just something to consider for the future of the channel :)
I respectfully disagree. There have been plenty of times we’ve watched shows or movies that received poor reviews that we loved. -Oak
@@davidbaye3758 Of course. That's why I said "Obviously, you're not going to like every recommendation and you may also enjoy things that the commenters hated, that's just life and opinions" in my previous comment. I'm merely saying that as a viewer I have noticed a small pattern forming where you're letting other viewers opinions about shows/movies cloud your own judgement before even watching them. Maybe others disagree with me, that's fine but personally for me when I start watching a reaction from you guys and I hear/see this happen it's just a no go for me.
Bros chatting about nothing
I love this series. It is exactly what it was supposed to be. People cry for something different and cry when things change.
Different doesn't always mean good
@@Jsqueegiee Different doesn't always mean bad. Art is subjective, not simply good/bad. Art can tell you about the creator, the audience, and yourself if you're open to it. Some struggle with empathy. If they aren't intended as the primary audience they deem it as bad or trash, completely dismissing the experience of a significant fanbase that obviously did feel a strong connection with the material.
The show is objectively bad. Terrible writing, terrible CGI, blatant bashing on men for no reason, the twerking scene, it just feels like a gag series and not a real MCU story.
@@rebel8215 I am glad you mentioned 'blatant bashing on men'.
If you list all of the m/f characters in the series and separate them based on negative/positive portrayals there are objectively more positive male characters than female.
@jenniferhill5001 It's a shit show regardless. End of story
4:05 haha it’s shining a light onto drunk women in bar bathrooms. It’s somewhat realistic lol
4:13 🚩 understandably you haven't spent much time in women's 🚺 but this isn't as uncommon as you would think.
That's what I was about to say lol. That scene was probably THE most realistic scene in the show because they clearly don't know how women's restroom at a nightclub, bar, etc is like lol...
Marvel has given us horror, sci-fi, war movies, spy movies...etc.
This is a sit-com. Try to see it for what it is. Not everything is life and death stakes.
Sit com?
@azmadeclutch9666 situation comedy. Like we used to watch on TV. Friends, Cheers, Three's Company, etc.
@@charlie53echo LOL I know what it is , and this isn’t that lmaoo
@azmadeclutch9666 maybe not a good one, but that's what they were going for, a workplace sitcom. (If it isn't that, please enlighten me as to what it is.)
In the comics, iirc, She-Hulk takes the appearance of basically Jen’s dream self or what she believes is her best self so her having fabulous hair is because of that lol
The negative reaction to this show was not actually universal.
The whole thing where Jen doesn't become a different person in Hulk form is straight out of the comics, going back 40 years. Her habit of breaking the fourth wall also goes way back.
In the comics, Bruce literally has dissociative identity disorder but they never dug into that at all in the movies.
it was definitely universal you just live in an echo chamber
@@FateXO Yeah sure, all the people you're arguing with all over the comments section totally don't count, right?
@@Roguefem76 this is obviously an echo chamber smooth brain
@@FateXO If it was "universal" there wouldn't BE an echo chamber, except of clowns like you hating the show. Do you even understand the words you use?
@@FateXO The echo chamber is the one you live in watching red 💊 content all day, telling you to stay inside because you're under attack and society hates you. Judging by the way you're lashing out and insulting everybody in the comment section, you're the one who needs to go out, touch grass and reconnect with the real world where people are...normal and civil. You give off "isolated" vibes.
Also, if you can’t see the difference between She-Hulk and Jennifer in size, then you guys have some sort of vision issue. As far as her hair, she’s looking like she looks in the comic book so sorry to disappoint you about her hairstyle. You guys are just wanting to dislike this.
Being from the comic book doesn't give something the stamp of approval. Shows have their own rules outside comic books. TV is a dynamic visual medium unlike the static pages of a comic book. And you're competing with other shows on tv like House of the Dragon, Fallout, etc. Audiences have come to expect a certain level of writing and logic in stories. This is why straight adaptation from a comic book is ill-advised as often the comic book was written in the MASH era and was competing with Adam West's Batman.
The 1960s/70s/80s comics aren't going to be the best competition for 2020's tv unless you do some adaptation. Not only do you need to ditch the uniracial cast, you often need to modernize the tone and provide more context than the comic book did. What audiences liked in 1980 or even 2000 is not what they will accept today.
@@JohnnyPappas BuT tHe CoMic BoOkS..... and you are white knighting for this horrible show.... sorry for people having opinions you don't like...
Maybe because the cgi is trash lol
I actually really liked this show. You gotta not take it seriously. It was written as a half hour sitcom.
I get they don't like heroes doing regular life stuff but I feel that is great to see them trying to balance what they want with what they are expected. I mean just making their life solely based on fighting crime can be a burn out if their heart isn't into it. I mean the Beast from Xmen has a whole ass career
I feel like I'm the only person in the world that enjoyed watching this show, i knew it wouldn’t be spectacular, but I still laughed at least once every episode, even if the joke was stupid
Oh i loved this show so much! It was so much fun and felt like a sitcom
@@jocelyngipson7882 It was mindless man-hating trash that encourages women to act like h*0kers.
@@kylemccormack1785found the intelligencia member
I didn't understand a lot of the criticism. I found the show really enjoyable.
You aren't, the haters are just very loud. Sure it has its issues but I liked it.
as far as i know the reason why bruce battled hulk for control IS LIKE what you said "bruce has a spilt personailty because of his vilonet and abusive father so that is why you get 2 later on in comics you have grey hulk , with jenny it was the case of NO tribble tremors of past,i LOVED the fact that they brought back the guy who played abombtion before it was a good tie in to the other movie, also liked how she broke the 4th wall as well just like inthe comic books
I really enjoyed She-Hulk, especially Jen Walters as a character. I agree the writing isnt the best, but it was a fun show. I think the critics are way too harsh on it.
A few notes from your comments:
1. Women's bathrooms actually are a lot like this, it was not unrealistic, just a little exaggerated. But we do help each other out when needed.
2. Her reaction to those men was highly justified because too many women are sexual assault victims and we need to take every situation like that seriously.
It's a little unrealistic since the women's bathroom (like the men's) is one of the most common places to be bullied. Yes, bathrooms can also be a place of camaraderie but that's not true all the time.
She physically assaulted the men before they had done anything illegal - that's a crime. Being uncomfortable is not reason to punch people or shy people would punch people all the time.
@@MrBrock314 it's a TV show. Half of the times with superheroes the criminals have not actually done the crime yet and they're still attacked by the superhero. That's how it works in TV shows
@@MrBrock314why would they bully her? That's what teenagers do, not people Jen's age.
I really liked this show and think a lot of the criticisms is exaggerated. It's not for everyone though, and i doubt the guys here will like it.
They’re MCU fans not Marvel fans, gamma radiation causes irritability in human form as well and they didn’t know that at all which is one of the most common things about Hulk.
The way people are STILL pressed about this show is fuckin' hilarious. Living in people's heads rent-fuckin'-free. Lmao.
The reason Jen has all her senses is because the gamma rays affect each person differently. It brings out the persons inner self. Bruce was filled with childhood anger and rage which is why he transformed into the rage monster. Jen had a repressed childhood, the goody two shoes, conformed, etc., so when she was affected she remained self aware and in the comics she’s sort of a wild child. Insatiable, horny and wild.
4:41 to guys that was just some men talking trash. To women, she was in danger of being assaulted. Glaring difference in how men and women are taught to be vigilant and to spot threats
seriously. It's 2024; dudes should get this by now.
100% agree, I was shocked they were confused!
@@lisabelovedSame here 😭
Yeah, to them those men are just "talking trash" because they have never been at risk of becoming a statistic. Those men have never followed them around, started running after them or became violent, agressive and stalkerish when they were told "hey, leave me alone" or got rejected. Women and girls die of that all the time and we are all VERY aware of it. It's literally on the news all day every day. It's almost like they become selectively deaf/blind when they hear news about women getting killed, tortured or raped by...men. Then they act confused when women choose the bear, the cats and the dogs over a random man in the woods.
And yeah, yeah, we know that "not all men", but there are ENOUGH men doing it to the point that women have to constantly be on their toes.
Talking trash is feeling assaulted lmaoo I get them walking up to her but talking trash?? 🤣
The scene with the women in the bathroom was actually realistic. If a group of women saw someone looking like that, they would immediately help her.
Agreed. Not sure why he thought this was unrealistic. Hopefully, he'll give his reason of why he thought they. 🤙
Ur so right. I've been there a few times too many back in the day, but I will say I can see how Quinn maybe thought that be unrealistic cause he is a guy and just not been in the woman's bathroom I assume lol.
@BaddMedicine Oak is usually so open-minded, but it seems like the comments he's read before watching have influenced his opinion. She Hulk is not the Hulk. She's never gotten bigger than that, and she always has had control. Just accept it as just a difference in how it manifests in her. The biggest thing to remember is that she just got his blood and not the pure effect in the lab accident.
@@jenloveshorrorit was Oak who thought it was unrealistic
@@ladyhotep5189 my bad. Thought it was Quinn who said it
In the comics, his dad was an abusive POS so when Bruce became Hulk it was 100% trauma that made him a rage-monster, not inherently being Gamma-fried. The fact he never talks about it is part of the reason he _explodes_ as Hulk
And sadly, because Universal has the rights of the Hulk character, that's something that haven't been explored properly with Ruffalo's Hulk
@@danielruiz8259it was explored with Eric bank's hulk in the movie hulk that came put in 2003.
@@raggedkarma yup exactly!
That bathroom scene, i promise you - not that unrealistic!! Sure, the women were a little overly helpful, but like, the amount of times somebody’s helped me out when I needed a tampon or chapstick or a phone call in the bathroom; there’s always been a super nice gal there ❤
And how many times are women bullied by other women in the bathroom? Because that's also a high chance.
@@MrBrock314 So you can admit that there is a range of reactions possible. And you're upset that this was the one they chose? Why?
This is how she hulk is. She's a fun loving, pretty, lawyer hulk. Her comics are not serious and she breaks the 4th wall.
I think she was the first Marvel character to break the 4th wall before Deadpool too
OAK has no idea what goes on in drunk women's bathrooms......the scene is realistic loool
Lol yuuup.
Realistic isn't the right word. Optimistic is the right word. Women's bathrooms like men's are common places for bullying. In REALITY, she was as likely to get bullied as helped.
@@MrBrock314 Gee Mr thanks for explaining women's bathrooms to me
@@MrBrock314Haha thanks MISTER
Yeah These reactions wouldn't be the same without a toxic male in the group hating on the show for no legitimate reason
As a woman marvel fan, I feel like I’m part of the target demographic for this show and personally I love it and all the metaphors for what women go through.
as a dude marvel fan. I really liked this show, but yes it's a different target demographic to the usual marval movies, and that's ok. I like that they did something different and I like that it's basically ally McBeal with super powers.
My biggest complaint is that the second last episode was awesome and left off with an epic tone but they just waved it all away with too much 4th wall breaking and basically laughed at the audience for wanting a concluding plot.
I really liked this show. There are a few choices I wouldn’t have made, especially in the end but overall it was fun.
As soon as Oak seemed shocked that a woman could be angry and scared that 5 guys at a bar were following her I knew this show wasn’t for them.
@@dan7564 This is the most fair criticism I've read.
Bar scene with the women is totally a real thing! Idk how many times I’ve gone into a bar bathroom to help another woman out to that level! lol
I've had my whole hairstyle changed by a stranger in the bathroom back in my club days😂😂
@@helenperez17023 right? really weird for a grown man to speak so confidently about what goes on in women’s washrooms
3:53 I know men and women can't ever truly know what it's like to be the other, but I'm always a little disappointed when men react to portrayals of women's basic experiences with incredulity. The bathroom scene was exaggerated for laughs, but women absolutely help people like Jen in there. And I think most women would transform into a Hulk if we could when three men start harassing us. I know my fight or flight instinct is triggered in such situations.
So are you disappointed when you find WOMEN react the same way as men with incredulity regarding that unrealistic bathroom scene? Most times I find myself wanting to She Hulk out against other women, not men.
@@roedhunt I'm sorry that you feel more threatened by other women, but yes, that a fellow woman would react the same way is also disappointing. But I'd also feel sad that she has never experienced, witnessed, or maybe failed to recognize us supporting each other in that way. This video features the reactions of four men, so that is way I specifically mentioned men.
@@ragtimeraver I don't feel threatened by other women. I want to rage out on them because there are many who are so outrageously irritating, vindictive, backstabbing cows. I've had many experiences with these types and that's why I have very few female friends. So this "Girl Power" crap is BS. Plus, are women so insecure they need other women to help them feel special about themselves? They need support groups? Please. They can kiss my ass. I'm not going to support someone simply because we have the same body parts. I support HUMANS of all ages, sex, etc. Regarding the bathroom scene.. All they did was dress her up to look like a whore. Makeup, platform shoes and a idiotic fur coat. They didn't see if she was ok or hurt. Some support.
@@ragtimeraver Agree, I always had tve same experience. Women help and stick together when we see another woman who needs help.
@@roedhunt Now I feel even sadder for you given your evident feelings of misogyny. Big yikes. I hope you get the help and support you desperately need. 💗
I had to logon to my computer to leave this message after watching your reaction to episode one. Two things that you all need to be aware of: 1. She-Hulk was originally and always a parody comic with 4th wall breaks all the time just like Deadpool. 2. This is a series not a movie. They are not going to explain everything in the first episode.
This show is actually a lot of fun. And Tatiana is wonderful as She-Hulk. This isn't meant to be one of Marvel’s serious shows. They can experiment with different genres. And, this is a comedy. I can't wait to see her as an Avenger.
I honestly thought this was a really fun series.
Idk if you guys have seen Orphan Black, but that series really shows Tatiana Maslany's acting ability i reakon given the roles she had to do in that series. That was a great show.
I loved this show, its such a silly goofy time 😂
We can tell
This show is very underrated. Just remember that this is a comedy lawyer show. Don't take it too seriously, just sit back, have a good time and enjoy.
indeed, very well said!
As a woman, I can confirm that women's restrooms at bars and clubs can easily turn into that and no, we don't find it weird😂
I was coming to comment the same thing 😂 I was like that’s pretty realistic especially if we’re drinking
I don't drink, but for me is realistic as well
Exactly!
This was 100% a real scenario! I’ve called an ex for a girl and cussed him out in the bathroom.
i just hate the oak, he is very irritating
I think her being smaller makes sense considering Bruce was turned by gamma radiation and Jen was turned by just getting a little bit of his blood on an open wound
I gotta push back on the bar scene not being realistic, whether its because you spilled something or got too sloppy drunk or got your period and bled through your clothes, drunk girls in a bar bathroom will go the distance every time, I've had women do my makeup in a bathroom last minute or say "here take this jacket", I found that scene so heartwarming because it's so true!
Drunk girls in bar bathrooms are some of the most supportive people.
@@mouka8173 Also some of the least supportive people. Being drunk also brings out the worst in people.
@@MrBrock314 My dude, you are in these comments sections just trying to point all the negative aspects of some women's behavior. Do you not like women?
TBH….this show has probably the most comic book accurate character Marvel has ever put on tv/movie. The She Hulk is very much like this in the comic books
Deadpool too. Figures the two fourth wall breaking weirdos would be well portrayed, haha.
@@BlackDeathThrash and that’s great for you. I didn’t say it was good or bad. I just stated a fact that’s it. But I happened to enjoy it, you didn’t like it that’s fine
This She Hulk leans into the glamorous version of the character. I enjoyed it for what it was. As to the episode length, it’s meant to be sitcom length. They did 9 shorter episodes instead of 6 longer ones
It hits and misses, certainly is not worthy of the total hate, it’s entertaining. He didn’t exactly escape, Wong transported him out.
spoiler alert
@@touijj not really, that’s what happened in Shang Chi, they even leave together after the fight. At no time watching this episode did I think the Abomination had broken out of the prison.
people need to realize stuff can be 'not for you' and it doesn't make it horrible. this was very much for me
Also for me. I feel like I was THEE target audience for this show 😂
people who are used to content being catered to them tend to have more trouble accepting it when it isn't.
When I initially watched this all of the negative reviews (a large chunk of which were made before the show even aired, in hindsight) had affected my expectations. I wish I could have gone in fresh. But I did my best to give it an unbiased fair try and I didn't hate it.
It's also important to realize stuff that is for you can also be bad.
Moonfall was a fun movie and terrible. I love disaster movies but the story is nonsensical in every sense of the word. I don't pretend Moonfall is a good movie just because I love disaster movies.
You can love a movie and still realize it's awful in a more objective sense.
@@MrBrock314 true, but I don't think anyone here is saying that stuff that is catered to you can't be bad. Most people are really disappointed when a movie/show they are the target demographic for and is a property they love was poorly researched or diluted for mass appeal.
That's very different from the hate that people have when they feel entitled and betrayed that a property they love decided not to include them in the target audience.
People need to understand that Not all shows they like are good, and that's ok just don't insult others when they don't like your slop
This show was a blast, and Tatiana Maslany was excellent as Jen Walters! The finale was wonky, and some episodes are more fluff than substance, but this show was exactly what it was aiming for and it was tons of fun in doing that.
Guys, your comment about the girls in the bathroom being the most unbelievable, that was actually quite believable. In a smaller bar situation like that, a group of women see another in distress, in the bathroom, hell yes they are helping. Girl code.
Directly after that, she is surrounded by 3 guys that are cat calling her, pressuring her, backing her away from the bar. They are larger than she is, she is outnumbered and it could easily turn into an SA situation. Damn right she was scared. When someone is scared fight or flight takes over. She just became an Hulk so fight it was, instinctually.
Gentleman, before you speak, please put yourself in our shoes for a moment. Your "What was wrong with that?" shows that I wouldn't feel safe being alone with the four of you.
The majority of men are not evil and never assault anyone.
You're not a hero, you're a useful tool for the feminist showrunners. You do NOT need to explain harassment and danger to these men, they are the exact type of men who would protect women. The fact that you arrogantly believe you need to explain anything here is actually so disgusting.
I wouldn't feel safe being alone with the four of you."
You are EVERYTHING wrong with women today. What an absolutely disgusting, baseless, moronic accusation. Although, I'm curious, do you OFTEN try to get yourself alone with four men you don't know? I'm curious. Inquiring minds, etc.
@@PROVOCATEURSKagain: dude if you're not one of the assaulters why are you so offended that women don't want assaulted?
@@PROVOCATEURSKthat was not even the point, but go off sis.
Most of your 'issues' around ep1 are based on the fact you can only view it from an MCU perspective as I found this comic book/character accurate. This is EXACTLY what she hulk was like so i thought it was a good series with an unfortunately ridiculous bad 'guy' element
I don't understand why people take so seriously a character that in the comics was a comedy type character. Not defending the flaws of this TV series, but Bruce and her are completely different characters so I'm not so upset about their differences
Because she's an annoying girl boss.
If Bruce is supposed to be completely different, they shouldn’t have cast Mark Ruffalo. He’s Avengers-Hulk with life & death stakes. Then they make him into a buffoon here? Come on
@wowkir I'm talking about her not Bruce doe, I'm not happy either about the casting sometimes too
@@wowkirBruce and Jen are two very different characters. Bruce was also portrayed as a lovable goofball in the MCU after he melds the two personalities together, which doesn't just affect him emotionally but also physically.
This is one of the most comic accurate shows
She woke up in the woods all disoriented, made her way to a bar and despite those women helping her out she's waiting outside while three strange men approach her and despite her saying she's waiting for her boyfriend and attempting to avoid them, and they still continue towards her ignoring her just saying they are being friendly, and Oak wonders what she's afraid of? I mean come on.
Generally speaking when we see the hulk come out it’s a matter of rage and in a circumstance where extreme violence is needed. I didn’t say or imply in any way that the behavior of the men was ok. I simply didn’t see it as a rage/violence inducing situation, especially given the context of the show. -Oak
@@davidbaye3758hulk literally couldn’t have sex without turning into hulk so no it wasn’t all about rage and violence..
@@davidbaye3758I think that was point the show was trying to make; it doesn’t take much to agitate Bruce or Jen but they’ve had to learn how to control it (sometimes).
@@davidbaye3758 I think what most of the critics bumped up against, stems from this same kernel, "...but when The Hulk did the same thing". The Hulk and She-Hulk are entirely separate characters.
As I stated elsewhere, The Hulk and She-Hulk have different origins. Hulk's was a bomb that bombarded him with gamma radiation... while Jen was transfused with Hulk's stable blood.
We go even deeper when Bruce states excitedly how her body metabolizes the gamma radiation "differently" than his own.
The last note, is that Bruce also states that the transformation is triggered by feelings of distress... of which a solo woman being surrounded by four men that have displayed no desire to listen to her "no", would fully count.
@@Rated314 I think the problem is how they played it in the show. There's a point to make and a way to make the point but there's no sense of remorse for the violent outburst even though what she did was categorically illegal. She literally assaulted the four men. Yes, it's implied they were up to no good but they hadn't done anything that would warrant throwing them 30 feet through the air and when she wakes up from that rage, there are apparently no consequences nor remorse for having physically assaulted "bad" people. It's just played off as "they had it coming" which is the entirely wrong message.
Minority Report is a whole movie based on the premise that punishing people for pre-crime is a bad idea.
And that scene w the ladies in the bathroom is very realistic . Yall just never been to the girls bathroom at the club
I loved this show. People nowadays hate for the sake of hating. This is probably one of the more comic book accurate Marvel Show today. You will see her size difference once she interacts with other humans. She also looks much smaller than the Hulk in the comics. And she was the 1st Marvel character to break the 4th wall in the comics. Way before Deadpool. But, yeah... it's much more lighthearted than other shows. But that's how the character is depicted in her comics.
People don't generally hate for the sake of hating. It would have far higher than a 32% audience score if some people were just hating for the sake of hating. 68% of the public doesn't hate for the sake of hating. Maybe 10% of that score is for that reason, but not 68%.
The series is not bad. It is funny, witty, somewhat follows big plot points from the comics (where she's basically female Deadpool, with lots of 4th wall breaks, humor, sex jokes...) but it also involves many real life issues women face (workplace discrimination, sexual harassment, dealing with men's emotional (in)ability, impostor syndrome, needing to feel vulnerable in relationships where others want to take advantage of you...) where men either are not so comfortable watching or straight up mess up by not acknowledging the fact that it happens. It is by no means a "weak" series, but many men are not ready or willing to recognise why it's so good. I hope that, even if you don't participate of the in-jokes, you appreciate them being there for the She-Hulk public. Not every media product is aimed at every demographic.
There's literally nothing witty or clever about this show at all.
@@kylemccormack1785 Dude, I'm so sorry. There's also potty jokes somewhere out there in the internet for you.
@@gamingwithdaru You're saying that as if the cringe humour in this show is somehow clever or something. It isn't. The showrunners are mindless man-hating feminists and they can't write a courtroom scene to save their lives.
@@kylemccormack1785 "Man-hating feminists"? Pug, Wong, Bruce, Matt... all great male characters in this show. The show makes a point of vilifying men with *shitty behavior* specifically; if you think that means they hate "all men", you're telling on yourself as to what you think men should be.
I agree with almost all of this. But I think calling her "basically female Deadpool" is a little backwards; She-Hulk existed and broke the fourth wall years before Deadpool was ever created. In that sense, in terms of the meta-humor, Deadpool is a male She-Hulk 😁
Also, Oak's little comments when Jen was being harrassed at the bar are very telling. Not accusing you of anything except ignorance but that was an incredibly insensitive thing to say. You have a mother and you have a wife, I'm sure the women in your life have gone through something similar except they didn't have superpowers to defend themselves with.
I also think you have a son (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think you should rethink this mindset you have about what women go through if you're going to raise that young man correctly.
I get what you are saying but his point is still valid. While those guys were wrong and being very inappropriate and were totally harassing her, it hadn't come to the point where violence even to defend yourself would be justified. She could have just walked back into the bar for example and get to where there were other people around, ESPECIALLY since those guys just got thrown out of the bar so wouldn't be welcome.
Her emotions to the situation are valid - most women have been there with shitty men. Jenny’s a strong personality in a petite body, she’s probably used to doing a lot to make sure she gets her point across, so normally her reaction would be fine. I think the point was to show the Jenny needed to learn control b/c while many women would also snap back, those women don’t also have Hulk powers.
Rubbed me the wrong way too
@@mitchellhp Emotions don't give you the right to assault people.
@@mitchellhp Good point, didn't think about that. Wtihout Hulk powers which she doesn't fully knows she has or understands at that point, she might have just screamed at those guys to leave her alone , which would have been totally understandable, but her powers probably made her react a bit different than she normally would have.
Also! Did you know that the comments that appear on episode 2 (when they are talking about She Hulk and her being the result of making Hulk female) are actual online comments people left on the announcement of this series...damn the ignorance!
This show is really just a comedy lawyer sitcom. She even calls it a "fun lawyer show". That goofy flying kick thing should've been a big clue that this ain't that serious. If you go into this with that mindset, instead of expecting big "End Game" epicness, it's much more enjoyable.
As far as the whole "banner struggled for 15 years while she only took a couple weeks" thing, she's standing on the shoulders of Bruce's 15 year struggle. She was given control instead of having to earn it like Bruce has had to do, and that's is part of the narrative of her story. Running into issues being overconfident with the hulk abilities and having to learn "on the job".
Having watched this channel for a while and seeing the kind of stuff you guys enjoy, I'm confident that if you stick with it, ignore other's reviews, shed all expectations, and just take it for what it is, I think you guys will really enjoy this show.
I actually really enjoyed this show and didn't think it deserved all the flak. Hopefully as y'all watch more episodes you'll like it well enough.
We did the whole series. All will arrive to CZcams 🤘
@@BaddMedicine Awesome, thanks!
@@BaddMedicinejesus christ
I really enjoyed this show, lots of good comic-book nods and situations. The entire cast is really funny.
"That was enough to set her off?"
Got to say, I thought better of you than that.
You want to live in a world where everyone is offended by words and people start wars for that? We have 2 billion people that do that already.
What you're witnessing is how MOST people reacted to this disgusting show.
@@PROVOCATEURSK Says the loser running around the comment sections being offended.
Shut the fuck up.
@@PROVOCATEURSKyou are in almost every comment upset about that moment, almost like you feel personally attacked or something...
@@kylemccormack1785same applies to you ^
If you go into this show wanting to hate it, you'll find plenty of things to nitpick and criticise. Of you could just take it for what it is. A comedy show set in the MCU trying to have fun.
If you don´t want your show to fail make it for the majority of paying customers.
@@PROVOCATEURSK You guys are impossible. Then people are gonna complain all they care about is money when you don't like a show or movie.
"the majority of paying customers"
Just say "straight white dudes", we all know that's what you mean anyway.
@@Roguefem76 Do you have a problem with straight white men?
@@Roguefem76I mean that's the demographic
Show is actually what its supposed to be. campy action funny commentary and problem of the week plot. The overall villain is very unique(and lifelike) too.
The villain really was the writers.
I loved this show! It not what most fans are used to in the mcu but I love the sitcomy nature of it!
Yeah no being harrassed by three men at night after you have just been in a terrbile car crash and are disoriented as hell really is no valid reason to be upset. How could she?
Oak really is a great guy but as soon as he is annoyed by something he gets into a state where he becomes disrespectful and spiteful quite quickly. This was honestly disappointing.
It’s absolutely a reason to be upset, but generally when a transformation into the Hulk happens, you expect it to be in a situation that requires extreme violence. Women absolutely should be upset by this kind of behavior and it’s never acceptable. -Oak
@@davidbaye3758 I think the very real possibility of being gang raped could be one of those situations where one would go for extreme violence to defend themselves. Just my opinion.
After seeing all of the Hulk movies I also found it quite odd how that made her transform there especially with how much it took for Bruce to go off. This could be because she has complete control over it for the most part and isn't trying to suppress anything like him. The show itself was poorly written and this scene should've happened after training with Bruce so we have the knowledge beforehand.
@@NickTemperistic By the time the action really kicks in (post intro scene) in the 2008 movie, Bruce has been working to control the Hulk for 5 years. Of course he's able to hold it off for longer, than Jennifer who has had the power for all of a few hours and no understanding of what's going on.
@@solongandgoodnight1820 This 💯
I agree with the comments about The Oak having a weird attitude for this one. If only you guys had the same low bar like you did for the terrible Road House remake.
From the reactions I have seen, it seems he doesn't do well with comedy/ campy films and shows. Mason and Answer typically have a far better time with that sort of material.
@@cruelangel8689you mean like Hawkeye? We loved that! -Oak
@@davidbaye3758OAK IS ALLOWED TO HAVE HIS OWN OPINION FOR A FAKE TV SHOW MY GOODNESS
@@cruelangel8689 Fun movies and shows are fun. But this show is often not a fun show - it's a silly show a lot of the time. Silly is not always fun. There's a Venn diagram with overlap but there are areas where silly is not fun and fun is not silly and this show spent more time in the silly circle and less time in the overlap.
So I liked this show. Yeah, not as good as it could have been, but I liked it.
The big thing to understand about She-Hulk is that she is NOT HULK. The show touches on this, but the thing is, the name makes you expect that she'll just be another big green rage machine like Bruce was- and that's not true. It was only ever true for the character for short periods- right at the start, when she WAS meant to be 'just a female Hulk' but also a little later. But her going 'savage' is always used thematically different than with Bruce. For Bruce, the Hulk was more of a repressed personality due to past trauma. For Jessica, the Hulk is meant to be her repressed CONFIDENCE due to societal pressures to conform as a woman- there's a LOT of feminist messages in She-Hulk, even if they're not always blatant or well written.
Actually, in the comics, that's a big thing with ALL the Hulks and Hulk-squad- Abomination, Red Hulk, A-Bomb, Red She-Hulk... The Hulk isn't JUST anger, it's REPRESSED anger, frustration, sexuality, desire, etc. It's almost like the Mask from The Mask. It unleashes your inner whatever no matter what it is, along with a heaping helping of size and muscle.
In the comics, She-Hulk received a "diluted" version of the gamma radiation via Bruce's blood, which is why she had better control (and a less Savage and more Amazonian look) than he did in the '80s. She also frequently broke the 4th wall (before Deadpool) for comedic effect, giving her comics a lighter tone.
I like this show, sure the cgi is not amazing, but I dont care, its just a tv show. And Bruce/hulk split thing is not about being the hulk as such, its about his past trauma creating internal rage. She does not have that in the same way. Dont take it too seriously, its just fun.
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😢😢😢😢😢 ooooh Oak I love you so much and you are my bias in the group (tho I love you all) but that comment triggered me a lil' ; being cat-called in the night after you already said NO the first time and they still follow you in a place you don't know and already feel scared about is ENOUGH to Hulk out. I wish I could do that so many times it happened to me 😢 .... it's such a scary moment especially when you know physically you can't fight them and probably can't outrun but just wish something can get you out of there.
That comment hurt but overall your reactions was funny like always guys.
BTW I loved the show, it was fun, relatable in some aspects and just a great time. ❤
As a guy though there have been times where I'm just trying to help a lady or say hi and they get weird about it. So many times women play victim for no reason that I can't even take y'all seriously anymore.
@@NickTemperistic where in that scene did you see them trying and voicing that they wanted to help?
Are u just looking for conflicts or what? 😂
@@chajong00 I'm not talking about what happened in the show. I'm talking about how so many women wanna always start something that isn't even a thing. Just watch the show and enjoy. Stop picking apart everything that someone says.
@@NickTemperistic am also reacting to their video ; thats the point of us watching; they made their channel such a space for all of us to voice out our reactions to their reaction; thats what I did. I liked the overall reaction, just didn't like that comment, thats all.
And for the "many women" that seem doing too much for u sometimes, in every group of species, there are those 🤷🏾♀️😌
@@chajong00 ya but y’all always gotta be picking on Oak with every little thing he says
She-Hulk is weirdly entertaining lol
@BaddMedicine,
20:04 I think that's exactly it! Bruce came to terms with his other side and now they live as one.
The catcalling might not make much sense to guys, but you should watch it with the women in your lives and see how they view it. Many women seem to relate to that scene.
You do know that this series is playing off of Ally McBeal, right? If not, expect that sort of humor/storytelling from here on out. It might not be your cup of tea, but it might grow on you. I don't think it was as bad as many made it out to be. She-Hulk's comic is different, and I think this series embodied that.
20:30 Bruce explained why in his lab. Jen's DNA is unique, it allows her to control the Hulk. The suppressors or whatever they are calling it in her in her permitted blood Bruce to fix his arm.
20:54 There is more to their upbringing...keep watching =)
21:10 I wouldn't look too deeply into your Marvel encyclopedia, as the MCU is its own thing. Yes, it draws inspiration from the comics, but it isn't the comics. Tony isn't a vet in the MCU, Peter doesn't work for the Daily Bugle, Bruce didn't get caught in an atomic blast and Thor, well, he's very different too!
22:56 Jen in the comics almost always looks the way she does in this series, like a tall supermodel. She has been drawn huge like Bruce, but she usually looks like we're seeing her. If it helps, attribute her small size the the small amount of blood she received from Bruce.
28:27 What you don't like...is actually, IMHO, pretty true to her comic, which is different. She was different and unique before Deadpool was =/
31:08 So close! Alley McBeal =)
48:52 Thaddeus Ross was Emil Blonsky's commanding officer. He was given a mission and he did it--keep in mind what Dr. Erskine told Steve about the serum (it makes a person more of what they are). Emil was a highly decorated special forces soldier that always took on dangerous missions, and he had a very high success rate. What do you think Dr. Erskine's serum would do to a person like that? The serum Thaddeus gave Emil was also spliced with the sample Samuel Sterns was working with. Emil couldn't help himself since the serum was egging him on to succeed. He has a case here. How he turned himself around is something to be studied.
The next episode has one of the best new additions to the MCU. I can't wait to see what you think of this new character =)
"Universally"/ Nah not correct. Enjoy it for what it is (a weekly sitcom style show like Ally McBeal), and it is enjoyable. Hold it to standards of other shows, and you are doing yourself a disservice. It was Mark Ruffalo doing the voice in this show. They didn't give this show as much of a budget as others. Hulk was already in the Marvel assets database so it was easy to reuse and has already been refined for years through the other MCU movies. She-Hulk is supposed to look more natural, so they were essentially starting from scratch. Female faces generally have "softer" faces vs guys may have more wrinkles or beard stubble. It is a balance they will figure out. The hair change is accurate to the comics. Breaking the 4th wall has been around in She Hulk longer than Deadpool. The comedy style is true to the comics.
Bruce stabilizing himself as Smart Hulk didn't change his DNA. Its just the way the gamma radiation in his blood mixed with her blood.
Oak looks like he is trying to not like this intentionally. Not one smile cracked at all during any part of Episode 1. Loosen up dude.
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Hold it to standards of shows period and it's a letdown. 32% audience score. That's low compared to Twilight and Morbin' Time and Madame Web. It's one thing to like a show, it's another to pretend that it was well-liked and a secret treasure. This show is in the same category as Madame Web, Secret Invasion, and Morbius. And that's not my opinion, it's backed up by thousands of reviewers across dozens of sites.
I don't know why people (men) hate this show. I liked it. The plot was kind of weak but I love the campiness of it. Reminds me of old 80/90's shows. It's a TV show, not a blockbuster movie.
32% audience score btw, but yeah definitely just the men!
@@rebel8215 ooooh you got me with the audience score. A score that was determined by people who went out of their way to submit a score, not by everyone who watched the show. Tell me about the critic's score next and see if that changes my mind or life experience. People who rely on that stuff are just living in a world of confirmation bias. It's okay to like or dislike stuff regardless of what the rest of the people like or dislike. You don't have to follow the herd.
@@jenniferhortillano9609 You could make that argument but then I'll ask you this; Why is there not going to be a season 2? Oh I know, because the lead actress said they "blew their budget"! I'm not relying on that stuff to form my own opinion. I watched the show once, thought it was awful, then as I do with all shows/movies, I watched it a second time. Still awful. Iirc that show had a higher budget for 3 episodes than the entirety of Deadpool 1, and you'd think it was the opposite when you watch those 2 projects. The show is objectively trash, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.
@@rebel8215 No, it's not a fact because I and a lot of other people as demonstrated by the comments liked it ergo it is SUBJECTIVE and the fact that you didn't like it is totally fine but don't confuse your FEELINGS for facts no matter how hard you feel them. I don't like a lot of very popular movies/shows that have very high scores but it's okay because art is subjective and I don't feel the need to go around telling everyone how much I hated everything I didn't like. Let people like what they like, it's literally not hurting you at all in any way.
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I think for anyone who doesn’t know anything about She Hulk and didn’t read any of the comics could be jarred by how un Hulk like she is. In the comics, she’s not like Bruce at all. She always adapted to being a Hulk better than Bruce. She’s always been funny and witty and sexual and fourth wall breaking in the comics. I think this is a certainly a time where not having any knowledge of the character actually hurts the viewing experience.
I just wish that the funny I the show was actually funny. There were funny moments but most of it was just cheesy it felt pandering. I’m all for female empowerment but how many times can they say it or make a joke. It was like enough already.
I also think the choice to not really have a clear story and just kind of fumble through the whole season is their biggest mistake. Like Titania one of my favorite She-Hulk villains was a bratty influencer? Really? Or what they did with Abomination!
I understand they wanted to break the MCU mold but I think there was a more intelligent way to do that while still doing the character, the fans, and the incredibly talented Tatiana Maslany justice. And I just don’t think they did that.
I didn’t hate the entire thing but I definitely hated a lot more of it than I should have.
Heck I would have loved had they just stuck to the legal comedy and every week was a different case with a single villain or storyline throughout. That could have been fun. But instead they chose to take every writers ideas and actually go forward with it. So there for none of them actually had a fulfilling payoff if that makes sense.
whoa someone triggered about comedy that doesn't apply to them. okay?? and?? move on 😂 lots of people liked it. my husband loved the show so much he made me watch it and we both enjoyed it. not every piece of media has to cater to you. commenting an essay on someone's opinion is just pathetic lmaoo
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One theory I believe is Bruce has trauma induced D.I.D. and the Hulk embodies the other personality. Jen doesn't have that underlying issue. Therefore no "other guy".
The first comic I read was Savage She-Hulk. She is funny and beautiful and smart and strong. I love her. The show was good for what it was, a lighthearted comedy.
She-Hulk is the best comic book adaptation Marvel has produced so far. The Sensational She-Hulk comic book was definitely written as a sitcom. So they turned the series into a sitcom. She-hulk was the last character that Stan Lee created for Marvel before he left the company. She maintains control because Stan felt that a female character who gets her powers from losing control of her emotions was a bad stereotype, and he didn't want to go out like that.
This is pretty much exactly what the comic book is like. That said, her comic book was never a top ten comic book, she's a character that's not everybody's taste. Don;t worry though, when she's not appearing in her comic book she's written as a serious character. THey actually do address the issue with her hair getting long in the comics. It's because her hair loses it's curl the heavier it gets. It makes no sense to me, but they addressed it.
That fight with Titania at the end of the first episode was them trying to recreate a panel from the comic book (Badly recreate)
I've always said that the problem with comedy comics is that comic book writers aren't all that funny. So they are hard to adapt.
no one is reading all of that and the show is garbage argue with a wall
Wow, way to hold a grudge dude. Shulkie must have really gotten under your skin to elicit that kind of response.
I thought the show was funny and quirky, but I totally get it if others were put off by it. I was a bit bummed by this reaction, but I guess it's just because they didn't really enjoy it. This series won't be for me on the channel, but I still love the guys and look forward to other reactions. I hope they get more of a kick out if Ms Marvel. I love the cultural aspects of that one.
I enjoyed Ms. Marvel too🤜🤛, but i don't think they're going to like it.
@@catfrozen3757 Ms. Marvel has a 80% audience score compared to She-Hulk's 32% so it's a lot more likely they'll enjoy that show.
@@MrBrock314 Fingers crossed in this case🤞
This comment section is so full of people just complaining about women and "wokeness " when the comments could actually critisize the show but they are just parroting the same talking points of racist political channels pretending to be angry about tv and movies
womp womp snowflake
Lmao shut up the show is terrible.
She Hulk like Deadpool are the only characters that break the fourth wall that's why she does it
Or deadpool like her 😅
Jen did it first
Please watch it with 'deadpool genre' in mind. Shehulk is a deadpool-like character, so it is bound to be fourth wall breaking silly comedy. Whatever she hulk says, I could easily imagine deadpool saying it.
You guys gotta keep an open as to what a woman goes through every day. Sure, they didn’t seem like the nicest guys, but three against one very small woman is probably some of the most nerve racking things imaginable. That bathroom scene may have been unrealistic for y’all, but you’d be surprised how quickly a woman will jump at the chance to help another woman going through something. Just keep an open mind. This series is really fun for the most part. I still have my qualms with the show, it isn’t perfect by any means. But they really nailed the Jen Walters/She-Hulk identity and character.
Me and my wife's boyfriends agree.
A guy telling another guy about the struggles of women lmao 😂
@@VykeKing very observant of you.
@@VykeKing I think you mean "an informed guy telling other less-informed guys about the struggles of women." You don't need to personally experience something to know that it happens lol.
This show is overhated, and I think some of you might have came in with certain biases. Also the bathroom scene Oak commented on is very realistic to many women's experiences, and Jen's situation at the bar is also what a lot of women feel. This show doesn't take things very seriously but it touches upon very specific feelings that women experience and feel in certain scenarios in their lives, and I hope that you guys can continue to engage it with an open mind.
i think eveyeone is being wayyy too dramatic about this show. it doesnt mean anything and nothing changed and it's fine. i dont see why eveyeone is saying its soooo bad when its just fine. its just uneventful
everyones reaction to this show is giving "the popular guy said it was meh so now im gonna go overboard with how meh it was"
The answer, you are correct about Banner trauma being why he has a second guy
16:54 a day job and spending almost 10 years studying to become a lawyer are two different things
Still think this show was a ton of fun. Which is always what the comic was also. Think of this more like deadpool, this is more sit-com comedy vs deadpools slapstick comedy. If you dont get too bogged down by special effects i think youll have fun watching it
The difference was that Deadpool was actually funny this was just cringe there’s numerous different things that make them different and Deadpool does them all right while this show doesn’t
@@ogvaluedspy4918 Like having a male protagonist, eh? Just say you hate women and go.
@@ogvaluedspy4918 there are lots of cringe moments in the show and I do not have a high cringe tolerance, however I did immediately understand the cringe was intentional. That made it a bit more bearable. The show mocks itself and its own genre.
The MCU never truly dove into Bruce/Hulk's situation - he grew up in an abusive family and so that Hulk persona was there (think MoonKnight) and it only came up when the gamma ray experiment hit him (not sure why they never covered it, perhaps the legal whatevers btwn Marvel and Universal..? Remember, we've never had a solo Hulk movie).
That's why Jen was able to skip a few steps. Also, she was breaking the 4th wall since her inception (1970s) and Deadpool was created in..91..? I believe.
WITH that, she's not meant to be taken seriously, one time she's in court representing Spider-Man (Peter's spidey, IN costume) against J. Jonah Jameson and Spidey talked about why JJJ would single him out all the time... Spidey said "it's because I'm black" and JJJ freaks out.
This was made during a time when info about CGI artists' mishandling via companies came up.. so... there's that.
This show definitely has a lot of obscure characters
With your reactions: interesting that the bar bathroom scene with all the women flew over your heads - it's very real. So is the following scene with the men approaching and nearly surrounding Jen. Flight or fight was kicking in.