I Got in A FIGHT With A Euro Pro...
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2023
- I confront a Euro Pro for angling the table...
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Sorry bro … stop being a bitch , it’s poker , play your own hands and stop paying attention to other players !!! And I mean this I defeated pro,s in the passed when I was a active player , I never ever blame my opponent about anything , I always looked at myself with what did I do wrong here !! And this is how I became a pretty good player .
So my tip 2 u is . Focus on your own game and behavior instead off other players there behavior and game !!! U will get there 👍
@@ceesvanderschoot9799 True. The way I see it. This guy has attitude disorder.
I was expecting a bloody barefisted brawl Ace. Wtf. False advertising 😂
How much are you buying in for at hustler
Gotta be honest, that ‘folding’ movement from the Euro Reg is something I see all the time, it’s just a way of shuffling/playing around with your cards, same as with chips.
I shuffle my cards a lot as well. while I was in the hand, I was staring at the board, and from the corner of my eye, I thought he folded. Was a bit more than just shuffling
i agree, with Ninja here, a pro doing that would be weird but a bad reg doing that, very common. again, Hes giving off ao much info. Makes ur job easy peasy.
Agree. There was nothing scummy about either of his movements.
To me it looked like he was shuffling his cards and his hand slipped off it. The other movement with the cutting out chips was also not an angle. These are both things you see all the time.
I see the card shuffle and counting of chips then checking all the time. That's not a big deal,but the hiding the big chips is a legit issue
100% agree that this was not scummy. He was shuffling his cards. Far from an angle, and nothing to do with being European
I wasn’t at the table but from what I see I gotta agree with most everyone else on here.
It looked to me like he was shuffling his cards and his hand slipped off. Since you were bluffing and super keyed into his movements you read this as him attempting to angle.
The chip thing, yeah, I see that nearly all the time at the tables. I wouldn’t call it an angle either.
Yeah counting chips and checking isn’t an angle at all. Like cmon
Yea, this was my first video with this blogger. I'm not coming back. The counting then checking is a TELL from an amateur. Not an angle.
Serious question...
Is it an angle shoot to title your vlog "got in a fight" and all that happened was you had a verbal spat?
Also, cool vlog. Thanks for the content and good luck at Hustler!
Gotta grow the channel somehow🤣 look at all the comments I got from people mad as fuck for no reason lol. Thanks for the GL on hustlers
@@AcePoker444 It's not no reason, you Click Baited, and Growing the channel with clickbait thats DeucePoker behavior not Ace Poker. You can do better.
@@RumpWax you just liked your own comment dog lol relax
@@AcePoker444he could easily say “gotta win the hand somehow.” What you did was actually more blatant. You’re worse than him.
@AcePoker444 we aren't mad. But we will block content creators that constantly lie.
Not an angle shoot! He shuffled his cards around and in order to do that you bring one foward past the other then bring it back underneath the top card.
You say angle shoot, I say tell.
Cutting chips isnt an angle...im sorry. That's just too sensitive. Saying you fought when u had a small back and forth is worse.
Yea ppl do that a lot. Usually its a joke tho
I've been playing poker since the 1970's, so I've seen every angle, heard every word play, made every mistake, experienced every bad beat. I just leave people alone -- angles, words and team play are just more ways bad players give information. I let beginners learn on their own, I find arguing at the table with a jerk never makes a jerk less of a jerk.
Poker has enlightened you it seems 😂. Hopefully it hasn’t enLightened your wallet too much.
I had a few rough years adjusting to the fact that a player can be very young, a trash talking jerk AND also be a brilliant poker player. Now that I know bad behavior and youth do not mean stupid, I'm keeping more poker money.
@@kennethdonlon3744
Interesting insight. Poker has many levels to master.
Nah, I disagree with you. Some people switch their cards with their hands and peel a corner to look insteading of lifting and spreading. There's nothing he did that was like shady, like, not like he tired to say something that sounded like "check" and then didn't check to see what you'd do. I mean, the chip thing too -- that's just a "tell" more or less. IDK why those things bother you. Notice what he's doing and then use it against him. I think you made a super big deal about it to be honest. It's not like he was talking shit to you or whatever.
@@stignatius1625she might be a little sensitive to possible angle shooting that don't make him soft
About the angle...he gave you the information you needed to beat him, you basically told him that....as a pro I tend not to teach my opponents to play better! It's up to the other players to learn what you did
Agreed: Call it what you will, but why tell him about the actions he takes that give you the edge??!
Yeah standard stuff and easy live reads. Hiding chips is the only angle.
theres nothing wrong with cutting chips and then checking.
QQ with a diamond has to peel at least once, imo
Yeah I just thought what’s the point, he bets anything on the turn and I fold
Based on the video, it doesn't look like angling to me, but seeing how everyone at your table commented that he did, he probably was. I always shuffle my cards with one hand, sometimes without knowing it when i'm faced with a decision on the table out of habit. I'd prefer angling compared to the constant questions from players, thinking I will tell them Yes! I'm bluffing or Yes! I have the nuts lmao. It's a waste of time and I'm sure it's helpful against newer players I guess, but I never bother to do those things.
Mmmmm I think you are in the wrong here regarding the angle shooting but love your vids!!
Respect the opinion. That’s why I said it’s hard to convey all of his actions in one hand. I’m human, if I’m wrong I’m wrong but it’s what I believed and it allowed for a good video :)
Lot of people do that aaaall the time. But he is an euro reg ;) ;) ;)
I disagree, that was a angle for sure
@@AcePoker444Instead off mollifying the situation with all his "" hand motions ' you escalated it by calling him scummy in confrontational manner you could of have use less intense approach . Good luck at the tables 👍
In my case I would let him do that shit all day because it's a tell you can use against him. I wouldn't say a word and keep that info to myself. Info is king in poker. If other players at the table don't pick up on it , that's their weakness
First of all, I love the video and the content you produce.
Secondly, I have seen people doing all those moves over the last 20 years I play poker, and those are not angle shooting.
Respectfully, you are really more at fault here than your Euro table mate. Maybe not entirely your fault, but definitely more.
I've been at the table when I figured out that two guys were playing together, making big raises against each other on the flop, turn, and river to drive everyone else out of the hand so that one of them would end up winning without showdown. It went on for at least 2 orbits before I finally asked them if they knew each other. They just got up and left with the $300-400 they had just won off of everyone in that short amount of time. The dealer said it was obvious but no one called the floor so his hands were tied. Needless to say, we all learned a valuable lesson.
That’s not against the rules and I don’t see a problem with that. It’s easily exploitable and you could get a lot of money from these guys.
@@TheMoonManBGk What!? collusion of any kind is against the rules at a poker room cash game(and tournaments).... and you say its exploitable, sure after they have already cleared a few hundred from the table and when they get caught once / called out they stop so they win overall. I'm not sure what would happen but I imagine at the minimum they would be kicked out and in serious cases banned from the casino
extremely rare to see colluders raising back and forth usually they check it down when HU and practically not a single cardroom does a thing about it.
I think you are overreacting. Hes obv not a Euro pro, no pro plays like that. Hes a fish and is giving you all the tells you want. Its poker. What's the problem, use it to your advantage.
100% no pros do that. Lol. Cutting chips is not angling
The pump fake fold was super odd lol. Props to you for saying something bro!
Yessir
So hyped for you about hustler. Can’t wait so see you there! Also you’re so close to 10k subs that’s so awesome. The first 10k subs is always the hardest to get.
He’s from Europe. Of course he’s angling.
🤣🤣
Saying, “I play how I play” or whatever it was it basically saying, “I know what I’m doing is kinda sketch, but I don’t care and I’m not going to stop.”
This!!
@Ace Poker that was barely even a verbal altercation let alone a fight. 😂
the pump fake with cards was for sure an angle, but can someone explain to me the chip cutting as an angle
The chip cutting wasnt an angle. The pump fake was suspect, but chip cutting is like a normal thing. Posturing at the table is part of the game.
at 6:30 dont you have around 30% equity and you have to call $60 into a $280 pot? isnt that good EV? I am new to poker. Is the equity less than calculated if you take into account the clubs that are most likely out of the deck and in peoples hands?
@6:00 That is certainly NOT a nitty fold. Lots of us who play recreationally can probably count on one hand the last time we were heads up in a 4-bet pot preflop. In these types of cash games it just doesn't happen very often. A 4-bet out of position tells you several things:
1 - If you 5-bet he's likely going to rip it in.
2 - He's going to lead on like 99% of flops.
3 - His range likely does not contain JJ. It's mostly AA, KK, AK, and sometimes QQ or AQ suited.
You're calling off the additional $115 basically to set mine or catch a straight draw. You already know you're folding out most other board textures. You know what he's got.
You played the QQ hand very well.
I don’t agree. That’s how a lot of players, especially European players,play here in Vegas. And ALWAYS keep table changing an option.
Hiding the Chips is part of the dealer's job to tell him to put them out front, I dealt for 15 years I always had to tell players like him to put the big chips on top or out front so everyone can see them.
Table selection is gonna increase your win rate but for content you shouldn’t
This is never an angle shoot haha, standard shuffling of his cards. See it all the time
Game Theory Optional in that T7 hand
GT F No
Might be skummy but he actually is angle shooting himself in the foot. He is giving up that he doesn't have a main hand. Just calling with a mediocre hand. Easy to beat.
I don't think he pretended to fold his cards. I think he was maneuvering his cards to look at them both.
But who knows. He did sound French.
So I’m new at playing live games but I’ve done those things a few times but not as trickery but just from not sure what to do in certain situations
shoutout to my crusty ahh hands making the vlog🤣
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Hiding Big chips is always a Red Flag. Unless your obviously new to playing as a CardRoom/Casino, there is No excuse for it. I have also seen people trying to sneak big chips on the table in the middle of a hand. That's one that rarely gets caught.
Mate I so enjoy your commentary 😅 and the vlog
Thank you brotha appreciate that!
Not sure what a “FIGHT” is in NJ but in NY this interaction would best described as pillow talk… 😂
Looks like was shuffling his cards not fake mucking, and then took a stack off the top to shuffle his chips on the river and then checked immediately. Didn’t look like angling.
Hard to say if you were right to call him out in this case, but generally I have mad respect for people who have the balls to call out scummy behavior. This helps prevent it from happening again in future. Atta boy
Were was this "fight"?
13:00 player should always put his high denomination chips in front, that's the rule.
Counting chips behind the action is all part of the game!
Well it works out in your favor. To me the pump fake is newrly always a weak hand that will fold to any decent sized bet. I get what you're saying about helping newbies but are you gonna find many of them at 2/5?
K9 - aka "The dog", sometimes you walk the dog, sometimes it walks you. Good content.
Wassup Ace .... loved that straight on the river 😃
Whew. The 3-bet range is spicy 😂
lol I was at this table at the end of the video (the best table lol) so much fun talking with you. My brother was on your right! LOL Great time man!
Can you put out a video recording how you edit your vlogs? Would love see the behind the scene process🙏
Thank you for the content 👍
I normally share some pictures on my IG story, it’s a long and grinding process haha. Glad you’re enjoying!
I dont think it was a angle at all, just shuffling the cards. Cutting out chips and checking happens all the time, Seems like a nothing to me.
one the biggest angles people do is pretend they seen your cards when they didnt. now u are scared to bet into them and they get u to check. or maybe force u to expose a card they claimed they saw (when all they really wanted to do is verify if u had the card).
I would table change if you’re stuck and the game is full of nits and your image is bad. They will lock it down and not give you action with your good hands unless you cooler them, yet they will find a way to call down your bluffs because your image is bad and they know you will try to bluff your way back.
I’ve been guilty of staying at a bad table and regretting it many times.
People who like to angle with cards and chips generally are weak players. I’d (silently) take that as an edge I have over the player, as opposed to being irritated. As for his big chips being in the back or hidden from clear view, it’s perfectly normal to let the dealer know that violates the rules and I’m sure he’ll make the correction.
Yeah for sure
Granted I didn’t see him play, but cutting out chips then checking (or folding) happen ALL the time.
Good job calling out that guy.What that guy is doing is wrong.
Lol when you told the viewer FU 😶🌫️
Welcome to Las Vegas, this is mild. Og poker players angle so many ways.
You know I love your vlogs and so proud to see how far you’ve come in such a short period. But, in my opinion, I think you’re overthinking the angle. I think it’s pretty common or regular for someone to play like that. Is it right? Maybe not. But playing with chips, trying to get the opponent to think they want them to bet… it’s part of the game. I don’t think it’s any different than “Hollywooding”, pretending to have a strong or weak hand. The only thing I didn’t like is that he played with his cards so close to that “line”. If he did that and then let go, most casinos would say that’s a fold but because his hand stays on the cards the whole time, they’re still in play. That’s a little dirty.. as far as the chips go… I think it’s your responsibility as a player to call that out, let the dealer know that someone is hiding big chips. Keep the vlogs coming! Goodluck @ Hustler!
Thank you! Yeah everyone has their own opinion :) I know it isn’t the most angle-y thing in the world, but makes for good conversation :) got a lot of people riled up in the comments, helps the video :) 😂
Where was the fight?
He was def trying too bull you around. Glad u stood ur ground. Every euro i ran into does this too weird.
For sure, much love
You can't play that much if every Euro you've played with does this. The vast majority in Vegas are solid players who don't play silly games. They don't need to. Very friendly group. This is why the tables were a lot softer when the Euros were away because of Covid.
if card rooms really wanted to stop angels, they wouldnt allow chips bigger than $100 on the table. no one can see them from the other end of the table, and they should require they be broken down to a large stacks of greens, which is clearly visible.
Good video man, I already see a decent amount agree with what I came on here to write. IMO he was not out of line at all. Everything he did was very minor and honestly I love when people do the counting out chips, checking as it gives us good reads of their hand strength. I do not see anything wrong with what he did.
As a dealer I see these moves every day. I would be policing every hand and I’m really not sure if it’s my job to say anything… usually if it offends or is over the line the players police there own game… I really try to protect the sheep / and keep the peace but if it’s a table of regs it’s not really an issue
Very interesting debate and I love the editing
Great video!!!
2:30 Game Theory Optimal turned Game Theory Optional
hahah we are very game theory optional over here
Idk about the angle cuz I haven’t played at resort world so can’t tell the felt, but glad u popped him… pocket 5 s hand weird lol … I would love to hear some of the speech play tbh I think that would make the vlog stick out just food for thought
6 7 is my favorite hand, I play them like aces, smartly played, no one will put you on it......
i will be joining your table on club gg soon.... weldone champ
Your best move is to ask the dealer to call the flooman. Explain what you have seen to the floorman (in front of everyone) and he will decide what to say to the player. You are experienced enough to recognize an angle, and obviously you also recognize a weaker player. He was both and he had chips. No reason to call him names when he will be leaving those chips behind.
guy not angling gave you a ton of information and instead of just letting him keep on you start a spat and run a fish off. good work!
He's right, and you're wrong.
Props calling out the angle shooter, and in a less volatile and aggressive way than I would have 😆
Hahaha
On the A8 hand you commented on the river card (Qh) that you were happy no straight or flush came in. But 10 9 would complete a straight (and be open ended on flop).
Sometimes against fishy players I will use the tactic on rivers of watching an opponents hands WHILE I cut out some betting chips. Less experienced players will often be in a rush to call/raise and will begin cutting out their chips before mine are even in the pot. I take this excited response as a tell of strength. Never do it in my home games or in games where I know the table. Most seasoned opponents won’t take the bait. I think not ALL tactics are angle shoots.
Love your vlogs they are honestly refreshing, but it’s a little off-putting when you say “I want to know what you think about this,” then follow it up with, “if you disagree with me, I don’t care.” So which is it? Do you want honest opinions?
The fake bet-check is not an angle. The hand motion is a toss-up. Tough to tell not being there in person. Hiding the big chips is absolutely an angle. I think the way you approached it with him wasn’t super concise but props for calling someone out that you perceived to be exhibiting scummy behavior.
Just trying to be funny, of course I always care for opinions, was more saying I’m the one that actually sat with him at a table for hours so I personally know he was scummy and doesn’t matter if you don’t believe me type
Weird calling stacking chips and then checking an angle.
i like your style bro. i subbed
I don't see a problem with what he did. Now if you could have described his hand for a check then I can see you being upset. And I know it's not a tournament and I know it's not television, but people take up to 5 minutes to call or fold
2-3 other players at table claim his action is angle shoot, that pretty much is strong indication he’s scum
Thank you
Kind of an angle, he’s looking for information. Plenty of people do it try and gauge the reaction. The fake fold was prob the closest thing to out of line. The cutting chips check is just tying to show strength.
New to your videos. If you’re not a reg at resorts world it can be a tough game. I was playing there tonight and limp pocket tens because one of the regs was to my left and was doing a lot of raising. In this case the flop was all under cards and I kept checking to him. This time he be bet half pot I called and the river was also an under card to my 10’s and he took the bait and bet pot. I sapped and just as I thought he has nothing. He got up and took a break after giving me a sarcastic remark. 😢😢😢
All action starts with the black line not behind
Those are perfectly fine with me. It gives me more information about his hand more than what he is getting from me. You found a great tell and should have just let him keep playing that way without saying anything. It's like John Malcovich in the movie rounders eating his Oreo Cookies.
When y’all start throwing hands bc this a argument
Angles are kind of okay as long as you know they are angles. Very common in low stakes and you can't do anything about them
Wow! Every single thing you said about how the "Euro Reg" was angling was completely wrong. Maybe the example you recorded is the only one you have but solely based on this you are mistaken. He didn't push his cards forward and take them back. He didn't cut out chips as if he was raising. He cut them out to shuffle them. And he wasn't intentionally hiding his chips on the table. If he was angling, you are right, it is scummy. BTW, you don't just look young. You are young. At 23, how many live hands have you seen in comparison to people 2x your age? Thousands? 100,000's? Millions? Do you have a degree or years of professional experience in body language? Just some food for thought. Rake it in and good luck.
I mean he does this for a living pretty sure he’s seen plenty of hands and lots of players body language
I’ve seen plenty of hands, and yes I’ve actually extensively studied body language. Wouldn’t go out of my way to call out an angler and then make a video on it if it wasn’t a real problem
I thought the same thing at first. But, Ace did state that this wasnt just a one time thing, it was multiple times during the session. The things the angler did during this hand werent awful, but they were slightly suspicious. The big chip hiding is absolutely terrible and blatant tbh.
@@chrisfoster8890 correct and that’s why I stated that it’s very very hard to show everything in one singular video and like I said, if it wasn’t blatant and obvious and over the top consistent, I wouldn’t have said anything
@@AcePoker444 thank you for the response. Glad to hear you are educated in body language. It is a very useful tool not just on the felt. Of course, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt because viewers only see what you let them and have recorded. I have played with you in the recent past. In that experience, you were very respectful and fun at the table. You definitely earned my respect and subscription. Keep growing as a player and you will kill it. Good luck and rake it in.
This is a tell and a read that you can use to your advantage.
The large chips should be visible
I don't understand why you would fold the 67 of clubs to a turn bet of one quarter pot with straight and flush draws. What am I missing?
couldn't believe that either and scrolled for a comment and your the only one.
@@cookypuss8603 hee haw? Lol
Your narration was hilarious, I enjoyed it. And yes he was angling. But it worked in your advantage
Don’t see the big deal. Kinda being a cry baby.
Was the 4 better the same guy you showed down with 7-10 ? If so you were probably good
Wow what a fight glad no one got hurt.😒
The way he reacted makes it seem like he's for sure angling on purpose.
Do whatever you wanna do but dont do this 😂😂😂
You will outgrow it. You spend the first 30 years of your life knowing everything and the next 30 years learning everything.
I agree and you were right for saying something to him, im from the Bronx I’m not sure if I would have been that nice about it lol
🤣🤣 I’m from jerz bro, was waiting for him to clap back
@@AcePoker444 I know you were kinda disappointed you weren’t the one to bad beat him lol , but things come to those who deserve it wether it’s bad or good , nice vlog man keep it up 💯🔥
Stay safe out there Ace. We need you around!
🤣🤣 thanks dog
Enjoying the VLOGs. New to them.
Angle shooting hmm... you said you had further evidence, so I guess you were correct . Unless it is a total "nubie" the hiding the chips is an angle ( just ask Alec Torelli )
You certainly do like to gamble
I found that you know Corey interesting . My take he is one of the funniest VLOGers I've read. Please tell him he owes us some more content soon.
Please keep up the challenge updates. Hope to hear from you soon
Had a guy do this several times years ago while playing at the Rio. He got me a couple times. Figured it out, He eventually went broke
Hey man, clearly angles. I would have done 2 things differently, first talk to the floor, RW doesn't put up with shit like that and he would have gotten a talking to, second show him the bluff and laugh in his face with a comment like "your angling is no match for good play, keep them coming and I'll keep taking your chips" then ended with a thank you. Euros can't take crap like that and would usually tilt, make mistakes and give the money away, most likely to you.
I am curious about something. When they are playing with their chips, and cards like that, are they watching the other players at that very same time, trying to get a read? This is really interesting, and yeah, very scummy if they are trying to do a fake fold, or acting like they are going to bet, and then do something unexpected, to try to get a read.
Bro you tripping I saw his hands that’s way to subtle for you to be catching feelings.