Every AM5 Ryzen System Should Have This AMD CPU Silicone Thermal Paste Guard
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Every AM5 Ryzen system should have this AMD CPU thermal paste guard
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We all hate the new design of the AM5 processors, so many areas that thermal paste or compound can get stuck and then potentially get down into the socket! What a nightmare!
These silicone CPU gaskets are a great idea! You don't have the scary task of removing the AM5 retention mechanism and replacing it with a CPU bracket and trying to get the torque on the screws just right.
A easy to install silicon guard works as well if not better and needs almost zero technical ability other than to match up the triangles.
These are also washable in hot water and detergent for a nice clean install time after time.
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I stopped using paste on my last build in late 2019 (AMD 3700X) & used a thermal pad insert instead. Still working great 4 years later. No mess, no muss, no fuss.
pls link the product u use
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Name of the product: Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet
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I'm a big AM4 advocate that plans on using AM5 for the next couple of builds that I plan to make for a close friends. Knowing about these gaskets prior to my upcoming AM5 projects is extremely useful. Thanks Mike!
The best mod is to delete the heat spreader and use a high performance heat spreader...
You don't need those stupid gaskets, you could submerge the entire cpu in thermal paste and its going to run just fine. Thermal paste is non-conductive. Plus those SMDs are not that important anyways, I knocked a few when delidding and cpu was working as intended.
@@SimanSlivar that is really really scary.
Thanks Mike and Lady Kath. Bob is right. The first time I saw the AM5 CPU that was my first thought, paste all down the sides of the CPU. That gasket is a real lifesaver for sure. Thanks for sharing guys. Take care everyone. Cheers
Yeah this is a must have in my opinion
Useful for preventing a mess, but not strictly necessary unless you use a conductive compound.
Agree. Also, you only need a thin layer of compound so any excess pushing over the edges should be minimal. Anyone putting on a thick layer that is going to squash everywhere is doing it wrong. You are not icing a cake!
Yep, just a thin layer, very very thin is enough, not needed to spread like a icying a cake.
@@geoffreyveale7715 I know right, I always spread the paste all over the heatspreader with my finger wrapped in a plastic bag which results in nice, even, thin layer and no excess is pushing out. I don't know why people are so lazy they just put a huge blob in the middle. Sure it works just fine, but the necessarry mess when you want to change the cooler...
@@1337Ox A pea six dot in the middle worked on older cpus. Never failed me once.
These new designs require a different application.
You showcased this on the livestream and they look great but unfortunately just underlines a major design flaw in the AM5 CPUs. They should come bundled with the chips themselves in my opinion. Thanks Mike and Kath 🙂
yes it wouldn't be a huge cost to them to include it as default
@@mikesunboxing makes you wonder WHY they went with the strange heatsink configuration anyways… very strange.
Building my 1st AM5 system next week Mike, so this is very timely, cheers!
hope it helps, i will be using them on all builds
Hi, Mike. An ever cleaner way would be to use a Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut thermal pad. I've gone back to using thermal pads lately, and this is the type I use.
Great tip!
Kryosheet, and it's brilliant. It's thermal conductivity is better than all but the liquid metal pastes.
Thanks@@bagerklestyne
Well, after seeing you spreading the thermal paste, I think that masking tape is obligatory when you paint around the house.. 🤔
haha very true
Interesting idea to allow easier pasting of cpu. One query though regarding your reference to silicon heat qualities, I assumed you would apply the thermal paste then remove the guard leaving the cpu neatly covered in paste! Thanks for review Mike and Kath 👍
The pressure of the cooler on top will squish the paste around the sides and is a real pain in the neck to keep clean
Silicone.
Mike said it wrong.
Generally speaking, lots of good companies making any kind of machines, equipments etc, though their products are very good in quality etc, still they're doing some freaking ass, stupid mistakes, on minor things, which can be fatal, like what AMD did with the design of this CPU... I mean, wtf???
All your videos are extremely useful, and you've earned another sub, sir! Well done!👍
thanks for the sub
Nice little tool!
I just spent a bit more time doing it carefully.
Would be cool if it was included with CPUs.
Good call!
Another alternative is to use a kryosheet instead. The advantage is that you don't need either thermal paste or thermal guard. Yes, the kryosheet in more expensive than thermal paste, but if you factor in the addition of the thermal guard it becomes more or less the same cost.
You do have to be careful because the kryosheets are electrically conductive, and since they are quite brittle you might want to take steps to protect your hardware. These silicon paste guards might also be good to use in that case.
Awesome product! I am going to have to invest in some of those. Thanks, Mike!
i need to reorder some myself
Thank you for showing me this exists. Now i can buy AM5 without fear.
No problem 👍
I bought the Thermalright bracket a few days ago for this sole exact reason. Intel CPUs are very easy to clean, you can literally scrub top and bottom of the CPU. But with AMD it's a dangerous game trying to clean anywhere near pins...
I gotta say this more convenient as you can take it out whenever, where as the Thermalright bracket is screwed in.
I have the thermal right bracket and this and like you said this is so much more convenient
@@mikesunboxing I'm doing a new build for a friend, do you think I should get him the Thermalright secure bracker or this rubber frame?
The advantage with Thermalright is the CPU is secured so you won't accidentally be pulling the CPU out along with CPU cooler. But the disadvantage is you gotta actually replace the ILM.
I much prefer the silicone gasket
I'm currently using the Thermalright frame, it does the same and its like 5 usd locally :D its good to see other products are available :D
That's awesome!
i had to order it from outside and cost me 20$ .. worth it
I haven't yet built an AM5 system, but when I do, one of these will be part of it.
i think it is a good thing to use and it isn't going to break the bank
Wonder if the silicone traps any heat. Would have been good to see a temp comparison.
from what i am seeing it is exactly the same, maybe slightly cooler but the ambient is dropping so hard to say for sure
Hey, Mike! I just grabbed a couple of these for my new AM5 build that I have finally decided to go ahead with. Used the affiliate link too, of course!😊
Question: Does use of this silicon paste guard increase temps of the CPU? I was just thinking it might act as an insulator… what are your thoughts?
no it makes no difference from what i can see. I guess it is like silicon bakeware that allows heat to pass through
Do you leave the silicon guard in place and install the cooler over the top or remove it first? Seems like a neat solution.
you leave it in position and it keeps a constant seal during heat cycles
A nice blanket to keep your AM5 CPU nice and hot in case 100 degrees C is not hot enough.
Hey Mike! I hope you're doing great. I recently came across this interesting product called the '12V 4Pin PWM & 5V 3Pin ARGB with SATA 15Pin Power 2-in-1 Hub 6 Way Sync CPU Cooling Fan Addressable RGB Lighting PCB Splitter for Extended Motherboard Interface'. It seems like a fantastic solution for PWM and synchronize aRGB lighting with fans and cpu cooler I think it would be awesome if you could do a review on it, giving us more insights, showing us how to change lights and demonstrating its performance. Keep up the excellent work, and looking forward to your next video! Cheers!
Can you post a link to it
I applied PTM7950 to my GPU and got amazing results.
Was considering it on my CPU as well but was worried about it with the way the AM5 CPUs are. I believe this would solve my problem
let us know how it goes
@mikesunboxing I did some more searching and actually found an over the mount one like this but aluminum from ID-Cooling. What do you think? Aluminum or Silicone?
Also it looks like you reply or like nearly every comment, you're the man!
@@sleazydzx someone else mentioned a brass or copper one, i feel more confident in the silicon or rubber as it will squish to conform to the CPU and allow some small movement
It’s so hard without that bro
The real test will be if the silicone seal stands up to temp changes of the CPU getting hot and cooling down all the time ? and if it degrades ...
yes i will revisit this at some point to update how it is going
@@mikesunboxing
I opted for the Thermalright metal frame for my Am5 7900 that you reviewed ages ago ... that kinda does the same job .. but also holds the CPU down an in place at the sae time and is about the same price ..
i had some issues with the mounting pressure on the metal bracket, had to loosen it off a bit or i got some odd behaviour, especially in the warmer months
I have always used the spread-paste method for over 35 years, normally with a old credit card, the bond is so strong you will rip the processor right out of the socket when removing the Heatsink/waterblock every time. Last time i had to use a screwdriver to prey it off the water block, tried a toothbrush but that snaped.
Have had the same happen on an AM4 processor and was frightened that I might have ripped out (or bent) some CPU pins. Fortunately everything was ok. Guess some brands of paste act a bit like glue. My thought afterwards was some gentle twisting before pulling at the heatsink may help to break any bond.
When it first happens it does scare you, but over 35 years it's kinda well i know it's making good contact and there is a sercure bond.@@geoffreyveale7715
When its that hard you gotta heat it up a bit with either a blow dryer or by letting it run for a bit and then removing. It may be a bit more of a mess but you’re better off
@@erikvaldes4293 yes, just use the computer for a bit, heat it up a little, then give it a twist and it will come out nicely. Worked for me every time
Simple but effective. Thanks Mike
i agree! Thanks for watching
If the IHS cover of a CPU is simply stuck on top of the chips, wouldn't it be better if we got coolers that actually have the IHS cover integrated as the cold plate instead? Hmm... 🤔
In theory yes, but having the processor as a bare die is problematic, ask anyone that used the Athlon xp chips from the early 2000s. It was very common to actually break bits of the die off when using some coolers
Pre applied aio coolers make life even easier
very true
Didn't know these gaskets existed, looks very good. Nice video = sub, thx
Thanks 🙏 appreciate the comment and sub
I believe they also come with a thermal right cpu frame
the thermalright cpu frame has a sort of built in paste guard, but metal so not quite a snug fit
I'm a sys builder, there's sod all paste down the sides of the processor when swapping coolers. This seems like a bit of a gimmick.
you have been lucky i have not been able to find the correct amount of paste to get complete coverage and also not have a little overspill. Congrats to you though for getting the balance right
Aaa I really confused on what this thing supposed to be... I thought they plop down under the cooler like those lga1700 thingamajig... So this only for thermalpaste applying shield or something
Yes it is to stop thermal paste accumulation on the hard to reach areas on the sides of the ihs and socket
When using these normally, you would leave it in place when installing the CPU cooler, though you could remove it if you want. Mike just decided not to include installing the cooler in this demonstration, presumably to make cleanup easier.
Thermalright also has this accessory. Where did you manage to get that elusive 7500F?
Ali express, only £135
@@mikesunboxing Thanks. Brand new?
Yes it was @@taomahNEGEV
Thanks.@@mikesunboxing
Great stuff! I m guessing you need to remove the silicone thingy before installing your cooler right?
no it gets left on the CPU so when the cooler compresses it still keeps the paste off the sides
I was thinking the same thing @lucaslenoir2338
So @mikesunboxing leaving it there won’t trap heat from escaping ?
@@TismoGaming it doesn't seem to, and if you think about those silicon liners for air fryers and baking goods, they allow heat transfer pretty well
I would be more interested in this for delidding, since companies seem to want to ruin everything by putting wavy, thick, improperly internal contact, lids on their processors.
Just removing the lid drops 13-14c on air cooling. But as risky as it is, I would be happier doing it with something like this to guard against chip damage once the lid is off.
very good point there
This might be a silly question, but is this bracket something that you should remove when not applying/removing thermal paste? Can it be placed on and just left on there with the cooling fans attached over it and the processor together? or is it just best practice to remove it to avoid the headache and worry?
install it and leave it on until you change CPU
I just applied a small rice sized grain on my 7800x3D and have had no thermal issues while gaming.
this isn't for thermal issues, more to prevent paste ingress to the chips and socket
Do these cause performance issues with the CPU or would it run normal??
no difference at all
It's so stupid they shaped the CPUs like this in the fist place.
yes the design is not very good
The design helps with rigidity, similar how corrugations in metal and cardboard increase rigidity. AMD wanted to avoid the problems that Intel has with LGA1700 CPUs, which are often bent slightly by the ILM putting pressure on only two edges of the CPU rather than all four. This can cause overheating by preventing the CPU cooler making proper contact.
So with Intel you have a problem that can be fixed by a replacing the ILM with a contact frame; with AMD you have a problem that can be fixed by adding a silicone guard.
If you do actually need to clean off a CPU substrate and any SMD's on it, an old, soft toothbrush and plenty of alcohol does the job nicely.
Yes it does but it is a time consuming task and some less careful people might cause damage, why bother taking the risks and time when this is so cheap and easy
I’m slightly confused. Do you leave the gasket on and then put cooler on?
yes that is right
Do I keep the guard in or do I remove it after applying thermal paste?
Leave it in place
Yo I just took mine off without one of these and I feel like it got under the cracks on a few sides. Is it fine or?
That is really hard to clean up and the reason why these are so handy
Yes thermal paste isn't conductive it won't damage anything
No kidding, but it won't do me any good after the fact lol. I'm wondering if I should just leave it or try and use a toothpick and scoop it out but I'm also concerned that may push it under more@@mikesunboxing
use a tooth pick but be careful! @@superstaples
Do you install the silikon frame under the cpu cooler or can you remove it after putting thermal paste on it just so nothing paste runs into the little CPU gaps?
yes that is right
@@mikesunboxing So you keep it under the cooler right?
@@dutyofcall7659 yes it sits on the sides of the processor and under the CPU cooler
hey Mike, I just order it. Pls test it for us with a working pc, changes on temps to see how its going, Ty for the presentation and I m waiting for an update how it works after the installation
no difference in temps at all, maybe 1c so within the margin of error
@@mikesunboxing ty for the rply
I'm not paying more money, my CPU didn't even come with thermal paste so I'll just wing it and hope for the best.
Is the silicon easy to clean?
Since some people overdo it on the paste, and it may get smeared pretty badly 😅
no it is a pain in the ass, done it a few times today when swapping things around and wish i was using the metal one
when another company has to solve your cpu socket problems with a simple product something has gone wrong ... and there is a similar situation with intel too. This generation has problems they don't wanna adress for corporative reasons, it's kind of sad like the state of america, when problems don't get fix because of burocracy.
yep always in search of the fastest product to hell with design or wattage
Does it affect (raise?) cpu temps at all?
No not that could register, it might even lower them very slightly as you are more likely to apply a total ihs coverage
How bout the Deepcool AM5 Guard? Any opinions on that?
Not used it but seems like a good idea
I'm actually thinking of waiting for AM5 8000G APU in hopes it will be 2-3 times better performance at FHD 1080p than 5700G is. Is that possible ? Also I would prefer thermalright contact frame ( 24€ ). Once cpu is in it's stays in for some long time. ❤
it will be interesting to see what the 8000 series is like when it arrives
As an AM5 owner I can tell you that you absolutely don't need this! You just need to learn how to apply the CORRECT amount of paste.
Regardless of the correct amount it will almost certainly end up going down the hard to reach sides
It’s a good idea for people that are a little inexperienced in building computers
@@mikesunboxing Nope. That's the point! You only need a minuscule amount, like half a black pepper seed, and spread it with the tip of your finger. The purpose of the thermal paste is to fill microscopic gaps between the IHS and the cooler. It's not machine-grease to go everywhere. If it spills over the edge of the IHS, you're using too much. Simple as that. This is how I do it, minus the scotch tape: czcams.com/video/xZ2R4roF1_Q/video.htmlsi=IazFxV_QzkWj5YWX&t=303
hundreds of videos have disproved that, you need a full coverage thin film across the entire IHS, the modern heatsinks and even the IHS are not very well made and have quite large deviations from being flat.
Ultimately if your method works for you great, carry on and you do what you like.
You can't come in to a video comment with a statement like "as an am5 owner" how does that make you an authority on anything? It is just your opinion, which you are welcome to. but to say you absolutely don't need this, is forcing your opinion on people.
Some might need it for there thermal paste anxiety, who are you to tell them they don't need it?
There are lots of people in this word with different needs, maybe consider others before you make a blanket statement?
lol I just put a small blob in the middle and it’s done …I think too many people over think this process
Big mistake here is applying the paste to the processor. Apply a tiny amount to the heat sink instead then spread and wipe off the excess. like applying wood glue and clamping you will be surprised how much then squeezes out. these ultra expensive things are only relevant when a lot too much paste is initially applied to the CPU
I can still sort of see the benefit of using this bracket for the cleanup stage if swapping CPUs.
is it for applying paste cleanly or are you supposed to let it on there?
It is mainly to prevent the paste going down the sides of the IHS which is really hard to clean and excess could make its way to the socket pins which is almost impossible to clean without damaging the socket
While I loved this, im always a blob in the middle kind of guy no matter what :D
as with most things in life there isn't a right or wrong way to things, just do it your way
Thermalright contact frame for the win
i will try that, my concern is that it is metal so won't allow for the slight movements of the cpu when expanding and contracting
why not all out become thermal pad.. 😪
thermal pads are a pain, they slip around and tear, and expensive
no risk of melting or burn smell? since i hear those cpu hit 95° easy
silicon is used for bakeware and should be good for up to 400c
The availability isn't big enough.
Maybe we need Der8auer to make it more in stock
where are they not available?
It's silicone (sili-CONE), not silicon (sili-c'n or sili-con).
CPUs are made of silicon. The thermal paste guard is made of silicone.
thank you for the clarification
Both are pronounced the same in neutral British English.
@@ColinDyckes I guess the e could be emphasised a bit to clarify the intention
So you remove the guard after application correct?
no leave it in place
Very good idea
Thank you! Cheers!
If some paste spills over after pressure does it even hurt on the am5 cpu? I'm using Thermal Grizzler Kryonaut,
it shouldn't do unless the paste or compound gets under the IHS or the socket itself
@@mikesunboxing I wonder if its something else then. Maybe this MSI motherboard. This is my first msi product. So far, I've had issues with it recognizing my GPU, I've had to reseat it, something that I've never had to do before and it seemed okay, then literally a few minutes ago, it stopped recognizing. I reseated it and it seems okay again. Its seems better.
For whatever reason, the gpu would disconnect or lose signal. I noticed that if it did connect, tapping it with my finger would cause it to disconnect.
It really shouldn't. I wonder if I got a faulty MOBO
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@@mikesunboxing I stopped by my Microcenter where i picked it up. They said it sounds like the Mobo. They said if it was the cpu, the cpu wouldn't work period, and nothing would boot. It wouldn't sometimes work and sometimes not work. It just wouldn't work.
The gpu works fine in my old computer, and I don't get any artifacts or lines going across.
They said to return and exchange the mobo.
You really don’t need to use the spread method. False statement.
Use what you like , but with such a small ihs you need full coverage and the spread method guarantees that
@@mikesunboxing honestly try it it really makes no difference.
wont that trap the heat at the pins more?
it shouldn't make much different, silicon allows heat transfer, that is why airfriers and oven use silicon moulds
jeje that is a lot of thermal paste you put on there I bet it ends up all over the place once you have installed the cooler
hi can use b450m mortar max for ryzen 7 5700x with 3600mhz ram?
maybe if the memory controller is good, 3200 easy anything over is a gamble on b450
After i go from AMD to INTEL. i'll never go back.
but why do they not make something like that for INTEL ???
i think the intel IHS shape is more uniform and more forgiving
Adding a new bracket isnt scary
getting the tension right can be though and then the subsequent ram issues and random weird stuff
For 10€ it's not worth it but I would consider it for future builds
that is £10 for two, not great value considering how small it is, but not terrible
or just get a gorilla thermal pad
This is a bit cheaper though but good point
In terms of stupidity can say: have always spread the paste on cooler bottom. 🤣🤣🤣
Then why not use Thermal Grizzly’s Kryosheet? No paste, no problem.
exactly
Have you seen how much that costs?
@@mikesunboxing but that sheet is reusable, so long as you don’t tear it. No mess, no fuss. I would gladly pay a small premium to ensure my say $400 cpu doesn’t fry from thermal paste
@@mikesunboxing one sheet is as much as a tube of kryonaut extreme paste.
@MrMarrok657 I understand but also those sheets are prone to tearing and slipping so not the perfect solution, but worthy of consideration
available and/or shipping to canada?
yes should be available in most regions, the Amazon link in the video description should go to the Amazon CA store
@@mikesunboxing sweet, I didn't quite get the whole "Amazon local" but... I do now and yup, _To Canada & Beyond!_ lol That'll come in handy with my upgrade. Thanks pal.
These aren't really needed lol, I've pasted my 7900x twice now, only due to needing to remove the cooler to access things (dark rock pro 4)
Now, You literally just do a dab as you normally would, spread if you wanna, but I had no need to and it never got into the sides or anything at all, 68c max at 5.6 and full use on air.. no odd numbers, so in theory, yeah.. its not hard to keep it clean and evenly spread paste proper on these at all. I don't know how much paste people use to cause an issue but DAYUMM
you are right they aren't needed, but it saves me time and mess, so i don't mind a few quid to save a lot of messing around with q-tips and alcohol.
so it depends if you are an enthusiast or not, because if you are and you are often trying new pastes or coolers this is great
@mikesunboxing I guess if you're tinkering around a lot yeah lol. I guess I'd imagine paste testing and cooler swapping being tedious I'd go for it.
What's wrong with am5
well in a lots of ways it is a step backwards from AM4 in terms of user experience and installation
Me seeing the job youre doing and im horrified u dont need this just put a rice size stripe in the middle and put the cooler on thats it. Want to clean it? just get some i.p.a and a bowl put i.p.a in it and put the cpu in clean the top and swirl the cpu a bit and the paste will come off wipe it with a paper towel and let it sit the erst of the i p a will evaporate in a few minutes and its clean.
when it squishes over the sides it is hard to clean, if you have AM5 and swap CPUs a lot you will find out how awkward it is
would like to see it this effect heat disipation in any way, you should run some benchmarks with and without it installed.
I have done both and the difference is not able to be seen it makes no difference in temps
Useless. After you put your cooler, thermal paste spread again. It seems fancy after you apply thermal paste.
I do not understand this comment?
@@mikesunboxing 😂 It's because my English is not good enough to explain it. In short, i dont like this product.
@@cukkaSG it is good for me
lol dude thermal paste is not dangerous. If you're using liquid metal then I'd agree with you
It is dangerous if the accumulation on the sides builds up and makes its way to the socket
It's not so much about danger as making the cleanup a bit easier when changing your CPU, cooler, or thermal paste.
The paste Mike uses in the video contains silver, so it is slightly electrically conductive. The risk is very low, but it could potentially interfere with the performance of the capacitors on the edges of the CPU substrate (it's probably not conductive enough to be a short-circuit risk, but the capacitance and inductance of the silver particles in the paste could have a small effect).
And like Mike says, there is also a small risk of paste getting into the socket.
Well, if you’re not sloppy, it shouldn’t be a problem.
due to the squish nature of thermal paste, it will almost always go over the sides, this stops the mess and potential harm
During normal usage, it probably wouldn't be a problem, but it would help when wiping off the thermal paste to replace it with newer paste or install a better cooler.
I bet if they would sell you shit in a box you would still buy it !
No this is actually useful for Am5 I have tried with and without and with it, it is so much cleaner
Why ?
It was explained in the video
@mikesunboxing I know that but apart from cleanliness, thermal paste isn't conductive, so it's not going to damage anything
3:00 - 3:10 I know it's fine but man I cringed so hard😅
He spreads he thermal paste you can skip his advice
you spout nonsense. please don't watch any more of our videos, you won't learn anything more, clearly you know too much already
Are You people normal!? Just spread it by finger and that is it, You don't need any "Thermal Paste Guard"!
Spoken by someone that doesn’t have an am5 system 😂
@@mikesunboxing I do have AM5 system.😘🤩😛I did spread thermal paste by finger wrapped in piece of plastic bag, didn't make any mess!😛😛😛
Na, wise up. Load of bollicks, spread the paste properly, ie thinly with a spreader/credit card.
and that still gets the paste down the sides of the cpu and eventually into the socket. Ignore this guy
Potato
Chips or fries? 🍟
So many many am5 users are exactly going to be using this worldwide? Maybe just a small percentage?
How many prebuilt am5 sold in stores actually using this?
Im building my first am5 system now, and most definitely wont be needing this.
This product solves a "problem" that doesn't really exist. Just learn to apply 'enough' thermal paste without using half the tube on one CPU. 😉
Didn't waste my time on those.. slapped on some paste and called it a day lmao...