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Intro (0:00)
Super 61 (1:05)
Somali Militias (1:47)
RPG (3:28)
Chaos (6:57)
City Realism (8:45)
Super 64 (11:35)
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They shot it in israel because why would they go back to somalia
You should talk to some Black hawk down veterans.
Biggest inaccuracy about this video is that the Somalis had zero fear, as confirmed by the people who actually fought in that battle. In fact the Somalis used to provoke the Americans all the time before the clash for fun shooting mortar shells at them and popping shots lol. Get your facts straight.
Although the setting could have been done better, this movie went through hundreds of thousands of rounds of blank ammunition. No CGI or fake muzzle blast and shell ejection. All real, you will see some extras actually having to clear jams and resolve other malfunctions with their rifles on the fly during a scene. You will NEVER see that anymore in movies due to all gunplay being CGI.
Very good point! Do you allow me to use your comment on my next video about Black Hawk Down?
they just need the new package "Jammity jam gun", it make a gun jam every 4 minutes, as long as you don´t mind sincronized jamming it should be realistic
Really liked Heat due to the unfiltered sound of blank fire
But is this a movie or a documentary? Have you seen any of the Russian war movies, were the Germans just march like idiots and the Russians kill them all!
You support Russia, you don't get to have an opinion
Mogadishu was actually in chaos at the time. There were massive gang wars throughout the city. Remember, we didn't only go in because of the famine. They were in a civil war.
The US forces were attacked by multiple factions who united against them.
I wonder if the events of Bloody Monday (12 July 1993) had anything to do with that
How dare you! American was evil giving out free food probably trying to fatten them up!
U didn't go in to help anyone. None of the Somalis wanted u there so stay away. American doesn't go no where to help anyone but to help themselves.
At least america make all of them united.
@@jessicasobian5579 lol
The actual aerial footage of both Blackhawks going down is absolutely terrifying and made my stomach churn. You can probably find it on CZcams or elsewhere on the internet. The movie totally stretched it out for dramatic purposes of course, but both helicopters fell out of the sky and hit the ground in less than 5 seconds.
you'd think this peisode would tell americans why they should never act like putin. but hey, american exceptionalism
@@jakepistolero Classic tankie who listens to every anti american propaganda post.
@@Christopher-rw2bp typical.american supremacist snowflake, offended by truth. You realize.you just defended putinesque invasions, juat because america is the invader??
I'll.give you a chance: explain to me how the iraq invasion was good, and not a precedent to.be used by putin. No american has been able or willing to explain it to me. I am justt supposed to know america cannot commit war crimes, and when it does, it is good
i do hope those on board died as painfiul a deaath as the ppl they were sent to kill
@@Christopher-rw2bpyou still think Russia=tankie? They are more capitalist then America, and we’ve done worse more recently
One thing to consider is that it was pretty impressive that the Somalis figured out how to use RPGs to shoot down helicopters, even though that weapon was never designed for such use. Because of this movie, people now associate RPGs for anti-helicopter roles, but that was never what it was made for. An RPG isn't an anti-aircraft weapon, it's an anti-armor weapon. When pointed upward, it only has a range of a few hundred meters, and the rocket leaves a tell-tale smoke trail behind it, which helicopter gunners can easily use to track back to the person to fired it. The fact that the Somalis were able to get multiple helicopter kills with it really is impressive.
I watched in another CZcams video that one of the two Somali leaders were thought by the Soviets to use RPGs on helicopters
Firing the things as air burst weapons by calculating the distance the rocket flies before it self-destructs. That way it does not actually have to hit the target.
These supposedly have a 4.5 second fuse on the warhead. The rocket flies roughly five to eight hundred yards before it goes off.
@@dennisyoung4631 But it only has a range of a few hundred meters if you point it up to the sky. That's why using it as an anti-air weapon takes a lot of skill.
@@TheStapleGunKid true, it does. You need to accurately estimate the distance, be familiar with how such things behave - winds, etc. - and then accurately *lead* your target - which either takes unusual talent or skill, as you said - or a huge amount of practice.
It commonly takes both talent/skill *and* a fair bit of experience. It’s more complicated than, say, trying to bring down a game-bird for the pot with a shotgun.
RPG is actually a multi-pourpose launcher, its not strictly anti-armor one. Have plenty of different rockets that made to use against infantry.
I thought this film was very accurate.
Overall yes 🙌
The major things are, the small details are inaccurate
A veteran of the battle Kyle Lamb said about the only things accurate in the movie is that it was a battle in Mogadishu
One thing my dad always said (he was a 26 year SF veteran) was that the only thing the film didn't show enough of was the number of times those Littlebirds actually performed gun runs. From a film making perspective it makes sense, but he said those bad boys were pouring bullets on the militia like it was going out of style. Imagine the night gun run 100 more times and then some. Task Force 160 really brought the pain on those dudes.
@@OrganizedChaos396 yip, those birds were going in over and over again until out of ammo. rearm and then come back again. if they hadn't then this would have turned out far worse
For those who don’t understand why it’s such a problem that they hired west Africans to depict Somalis, imagine they made a movie about Vikings but all the actors are dark people from southern Italy or Spain or are Armenian
"dark people from southern Italy or Spain"...What?
@@donkongre9026 😄
He probably want to say olive skin Mediterranean with dark hair. But so stupid, can't say it the right way
@@donkongre9026 He probably thinks Umayyad still exists
@Lelouch Lamperouge That makes more sense
@@ey7290 jajajaja
From my understanding, they called the Somalis “skinnies”, not because of their appearance, but because that was the nickname the soldiers gave the aliens in the novel Starship Troopers.
they are called skinnies because they're malnourished. You should read one of the many books about this conflict
@@davidoftheforest3822 Cool.
@@07foxmulder I guess, have a kill count of like 100 to 1 is pretty sick but fighting pathetic enemies isnt ideal. Lots of them were really terrible human beings, so, fuck them.
@@davidoftheforest3822 Wtf you on about? Many civilians lost their lives. Why were the US troops even there? The whole operation was so unnecessary 🙄
@@leveticus1461 I agree, but, many of the combatants were working for a warlord who let thousands of civilians starve to death, so, fuck them
The movie shows the militiamen firing regular RPGs but the book says that they were actually modified rockets set to burst in the air and the launchers were also modified to angle the backblast away from the ground when aiming at the sky.
Very interesting fact!
Yeah that backblast would have cooked his lower body
The end-of-flight fuse? They shortened it?
I saw you on insta and damn you’re good this is the content people need
Thank you for these kind words 🙏
Gf’s uncle was in the 75th Ranger Regiment and a BlackWater contractor, he said that it’s the most realistic war movie there is. Those fast roping scenes are real, they had a platoon of Rangers and 160th SOAR to shoot those scenes, that’s as real as it gets. One inaccuracy is when Blackburn fell, no rocket was shot. He just jumped out and missed the rope and fell 60ft
That uncle might enjoy Soviet WW2 films. They always tried to be as realistic as possible and rely on practical effects- no Hollywood plot armor supersoldiers or ridiculous CGI.
Another major inaccuracy is the way the Mogadishu mile is depicted
yeah, your GF's uncle is a war criminal. and you should never trust invaders when they tell you they are the little guy
@@QualityPen There's sadly some schlock.
Vidi I Smotri (Come And See) does have an English version. It's based off the director and writers' WW2 partizan experiences.
Afganskij Izlom (Afghan Breakdown) is highly realistic, don't know if there's an English version.
Chistilischie is basically Russian Black Hawk Down thematically but like 3000x more brutal. No English version.
I thought that the buff angry commander was healthy since they were monopolizing the food drops and therefore had access to food especially since he was commander and could take what he wanted.
I thought that was strongly implied
Who knows if it was accurate, though.
@@tsoliot5913 Long story short, the actor was Nigerian. On average West Africans are physically more muscular, than Northeast Africans.
He just doesn’t look Somali (east African) though.
I mean yeah, the americans were definitely horrifying to the locals, but the americans were also pretty damn scared too. Pretty foreign place mixed with total chaos throughout the command structure meant a lot of confusion, which can easily lead to a complete breakdown
just like the russians dont get to complain about ukraine's defense, americans dont get to bitch about somali defeense
the arial surveilance was provided by C2 (Kiowa Recce Helicopter and forward command plattform) and two P3 Orion Sea Recon Planes circling the area.
It is assumed that Wolcott and his Copilot Lee-Briley put the Blackhawk down in a way to ensure survival of the crew in the back while sacrificing their own lifes.
I also like how they conveniently left out the Cobra attack on a civilian gathering weeks before, which they thought was a warlord gathering. This turned the city's entire population against them. I think it's important to remember things like that, because they keep making the same mistakes that end up costing them wars, despite their doctrine's focus on hearts and minds. One mistake like that can erase all the good intentions that came before. This is why Taliban is running Afghanistan once again.
And these warlords were actually the elders from each side negotiating peace, if the Americans didn't shoot at them the entire battle coulve been avoided
@@peloentupantalla7768 Exactly
Spoiler alert, they never had good intentions in the first place.
@@misterpinkandyellow74 what was their intention again? I watched this movie years ago so I forgot
@Roble KANDU So what was their intention? So called free thinking anti American propaganda listener
5:23 that's a misconception.
People really underestimate the accuracy of a modern rpg. (Mainly due to movies and games who automatically make everything Russian perform like crap) There is plenty of 1990's footage of Chechens shooting an rpg through 1x1 meter windows at over 200 meters, during actual combat missions.
Now ofcourse a helicopter is a moving object but they usually fly low, slow and in a relatively straight line during these landing operations.
Taking one down with a rpg would not be as hard as people seem to imagine.
Hence the Somalis shooting down 2 modern Black hawk Helicopters within weeks, using ancient rpg's.
You prob couldn’t even hold one armchair expert lol
@@startingtech3900 i joined my countries Marine Corps at 18. What did you do for your country? Post ignorant comments on youtube and finger your buthole on a daily basis?
I am from Somalia my mom told me after that crush people start to chant "suqaar mareekan sidnaa" in the streats it is somali language , suqaar means a food which is made of meat, onion, potatoes etc
The chant means " we are serving American suqaar". people totaly didn't afraid of that so-called special forces , rip to my people 🇸🇴
It was a dark time for Somalia alhamdulliah we're doing better now 🇸🇴
The only honest video I’ve seen about black hawk down on CZcams great effort mate 👍🏾
I don't think the militia guys not being skinny is a major error. It's pretty safe to assume the average militiaman was more well-fed then the general population (one of the perks of joining such groups in the first place). At the very least, some of the higher ranking militia commanders probably got better access to food than the grunts.
Not really you know nothing about Somalia or it’s people but ok. The video even shows you the armed militia men in the end. There’s is a reason why they played west Africans as Somalis 🤷♂️
@@AB-jo1wy The militia the Americans were fighting were actually hording food for themselves so they were fed while the general population that was not part of their clan suffered.
nope. if you followed the conflict you would see not even the leaders looked well feed.
@@basedblackbeard4456 American propaganda.
@@BOX3DOUT What's American propaganda? I'm Somali, I was there. The militia that fought Americans were literally just one sub clan, that's it. After the Americans left, that sub clan fought my sub clan for control over Mogadishu.
The first helicopter wasn’t shot down in a shanty town the second one was but not the first
The first one crashed on the house of the 18yo Aden I mention in the video, which was made of tin and wood
RPG-7 apparently shot down much more hellicopters than any designed for it system.
So its was not something no one heard about. US army lost 128 hellicopters in Vietnam exclusevily to RPG-7 and RPG-2 projectiles. Unlike with heat lock rockets - those cant be countered with heat traps.
in 91 yes it was new to have this happened.
@@BOX3DOUT but in 60`s its was somehow common
The biggest oddity I find of the first black hawk getting shot down is how they jump out of a technical with a DshK mounted to shoot it down. The DshK machine gun was designed in WW2 for anti aircraft purposes.
I'm just seeing than and thinking "foooook, lite em up, it's the perfect gun and the perfect shot"
When you ask "what these guys doing just chilling there, makes no sense"
No it makes perfect sense. The unemployment rate and homeless rate in Mogadishu is like 95% or something close. You really think that unemployed people just stay home all day every day till someone calls and offers a job? You think they don't just want to go somewhere? You think just maybe those people lived there?
Stop spreading false claims man you is hater 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"This citty doesn't even look like Mogadishu" - what do you expect them to do, build an entire citty for one movie, or perhalps filming in actual Mogadishu where there is stil fighting going on till today?! You can't always shoot in the exact location - especially if it is still a warzone.
Every time someone complains about the tanks being inaccurate in WW2 movies in a nutshell.
I don't think its a complaint it's just an honest assessment
They can shoot it at a more similar place.
@@RoyalDog214 i dont get you and OP, this channel is pointing out historical inaccuracies, thats his entire content and yall complaining that hes pointing it out? lol
Built decorations? its literally sheet metal huts. Meanwhile there whole cities built for some movies.
Its easy and cheap to recreate those buildings, so that why we can say that was not a budget problem but intentional making, US army sponsored this movie havily so propably they just forced it in.
Good video! How about a reaction to HBO’s The Pacific?
What battle scene?
@@historylegends the peleliu landing or the okinawa chapter are the two best imo. Maybe okinawa is the best choice if you want to see how it affected civilians and its a really powerful episode
Okay, it was a 101st Blackhawk and not a 160th Blackhawk. I know to the layman that means nothing but in reality it means everything. Training, flight time, doctrine, procedures all are different between units. And yes the 160th were 100% aware of the shoot down and they were on alert for this possibility but the logical thought at the time was it was a 1 in a million hit.
Super 6.1 pilot push the nose of the Blackhawk down at the last second To make sure the pilots took the blow to save the crew in the back Both pilots I believe died as a result A true hero right there Same thing with the 2 Delta snipers that dropped to save the second blackhawk crew
1) Recreating any kind of massive, sprawling city, detail for minute detail, is a herculean task that would cost an incredibly wasteful amount of money to be accurate (in which it never will, no matter how hard one can try). Focusing on the important aspects and ignoring the more sprawling elements, to ensure that the important elements are held closely to the realities of what occurred? Far more important than rebuilding Mogadishu, Somalia from the ground up for a 2 hr, 30 min film. Ex: Its more important to get the roads they operated on, and the hotel they raided, correct, than to ensure that Skinny Bob's Tea Shop two blocks down and right is also in the picture... Nobody cares about Skinny Bob's Tea Shop because it had no effect or prevalence on the events of that day...
2) The militia officers (including the one with the sunglasses and black head covering) were typically well fed. Reminder the whole reason the UN asked for US involvement is because these Somali Warlords and their militias were stealing Humanitarian supplies from drop off points, even slaughtering innocent people, causing the starvation of hundreds of thousands of innocents to fuel their wars against each other. That's a typically average build individual. But if you ever see photos or docufilms of Muhammad Farah Aidid, dude was fat in comparison to his countrymen peasants. Even his political officer (who they capture earlier in the film) is a fat ass. Because they eat and live well compared to the other 95% of the Somali population... It would be reasonable that a Militia officer would be relatively well built, as their system of promotion was, ironically, a form of meritocracy. He didn't get there for being on the inside of the party he fought for. He was an officer because he was effective as a combat leader...
3) Helicopters are most vulnerable when they are flying low, slow, and in an AO with too many nooks and crannies to constantly observe. Pilots can only see from the 12 o'clock to just about the 3 and 9 o'clock respectively, but only at the front. Crew Chiefs are the enlisted personnel who take on the responsibility of being the eyes and ears of the pilots from that respective 3 and 9 o'clock position all the way to the 6 o'clock position of the aircraft, up to and including clearing the blade span, the stabilator, the tail rotor, and the entirety of the belly and landing gears from foreign object and obstacle damage. In such an environ as a sprawling city, not only are the crew chiefs watching for "widow makers" (objects that can deceive the eyes and strike the aircraft, killing the crew), but now also have to observe for combatants armed with weaponry capable of downing their helo...
Black Hawks were never meant to be "CAS" assets. They're troop carriers and supply runners. Its a Utility aircraft. And the variant design and exception of extra guns/munitions (as there are a pair of "wings" you can install on the Black Hawk that's capable of carrying two External Fueling Systems (which look like missiles) as well as rocket pods and even extra forward facing guns) reinforces the fact that these Black Hawks were never meant to BE Close Air Support. 160th SOAR (which is the Aviation element of this military detachment) (Special Operations Aviation Regiment), would have that kind of support equipment and weapons platforming...
The fact that their decision on using Black Hawks rather than Little Birds as CAS proves that they got damned arrogant and believed the Militias didn't have the means, or more importantly, were too incompetent in taking them down. Or more so that they had overconfidence in these air craft as some sort of "super helicopter". MH-6 Little Birds were well designed, hell, perfectly designed, for just such environs of conflict.
Great comment. Just wanted to add that Farid, and some of his lt's had military educations in other countries. They were not regular soms. They were the 1%.
General Garrison complained at the briefing of the operation that the higher ups in Washington denied him the use of Little Birds, though he specifically asked for them, therefore he had only to rely on Black Hawks and another lighter helo type. So it wasn't out of arrogance.
Granted there was a terrible civil war and genocide happening the movie's opening titles completely omit "Bloody Monday", which was an attack by the US military in July 12, 1993 before the raid on Mogadishu happened. A large meeting of tribal leaders was being held to come to some kind of peace agreement to avoid any foreign interventions. However the US attack killed scores of negotiators and turned nearly the whole of Somalia against the US. Would the negotiations have worked? Who can say, but what is for certain is that Blood Monday made the US into a pariah and helped legitimize Mohamed Farrah Aidid. Because one constant in history is the rule of "fuck those guys" and people will become temporary allies to fight off the outsider.
Aideed was loosing legitimacy in the SNA until that attack. He disapproved of the Bloody Monday conference because his authority was being held in question. Ironically after blowing it up the Americans made Aideed more powerful than he had ever been before.
When Super 6-1 crashed, the pilots, Cliff Wolcott and Donovan Briley, pitched the nose down so they could try and save the four guys in the back. They took the brunt of the crash before the chopper rolled on its side, which is crazy considering how little room there was in that alleyway. The one thing that the CSAR team was able to do was use the aircraft for protection for the wounded. They set up a casualty collection point near the tail section and set up Kevlar plates from inside the cargo hold for protection.
The junk portrayed in the movie was representing the fact that junk was placed in roads to funnel enemy traffic. The also burned tires to signal allies and obscure vision.
I saw that recent documentary with Struecker (lead humvee) when he went to the Bakara Market and it really looks almost the same
They filmed the movie in Morocco they made streets dirty and added sand to th roads and also had to cut down trees but it still doesn't look like somaloa
Fun fact: I worked at a Country Club where on Veterans Day they had invited Colonel McKnight (Tom Sizemore’s character) to speak. Sadly, the event was in the evening and I worked the day shift
I am from Somalia and was born in Mogadishu, with due respect, Mogadishu has a similar infrastructure as Morocco. That is why it is chosen to cast the film. You also using some footage or pictures that are entirely not Somali or in Somalia. Other than that, you are right that Somalis don't look like west Africans, and then, there was a famine in the country.
Yeah I totally understand what you are saying. Ever white gays think they now everything about African like this one he’s telling liar’s and he never ever bin I Somalia. What a Moran thinking he is smart 😂😂
@@istarlinMissak most CZcamsrs are like this
@@istarlinMissak I agree with you
May I ask which book you read? I have also read books on this engagement, but never heard the story of the militiaman who fired the rocket.
i went on my own during the day when the theatre was pretty empty to see this film, I didn't want anyone around especially people who would be joking or asking stupid questions. when this battle took place I was in standard nine, second last year of school, the next year my year of school I saw an article about it and I'm fascinated with war so this really stayed with me, when I heard about the film I made sure I got to see it in the theater as tv wasn't going to be good enough. I stayed in the theatre until all the credits were run, I was the last one out of the theatre, mainly to give myself time to compose myself had tears during the role call. by that time I had research the events quite a bit so noticed a few details they did get wrong,but overall was really impressed
The biggest mistake they done is the actors. No one of them looks Somalis specifically the militia men, they should have more look like the one in captain Phillips
My Somali friend even said “none of them look if even Somalis we straight up pointed it out when we first watched the movie
Well they could’ve at least hired Ethiopians or Eritreans if they couldn’t find a somali i guess
Just gonna say, when your being overwhelmed by thousands of people. The fact they are 90 pounds means jack shit to a 7.63x39 comin to vibe check your plate carrier homeboy 😂
Ya, I think this guy missed the plot, and I mean that litterally. Any way you look at it, the us soldiers were in a bad way. The look of the buildings and the build of the combatants had absolutely nothing to do with the fight.
I think the movie does a pretty decent job acknowledging the "in the moment" mistakes made by us command that exacerbated the situation. At the end of the day it's a 2 hr movie about the horrors of fighting a war where you're not exactly welcome by the local population, not a historical documentary.
I'm a pretty big medieval history fan, and ironclad is one of my favorite movies of the period. The movie has thousands of major historical inaccuracies, but the feel and flow of the movie more than make up for it. I feel like bhd is much more historically accurate, but still manages to tell a good story.
I remember seeing this movie while in the army, in theater. . Slept through all of it, non stop shooting and explosions bothering me not a bit. Nostalgia.
You can see where Resident Evil 5 got a lot of its influence.
What's funnier is that some of these guys probably zerod their aks in for 1km because they thought it gave the gun more power
Aside from most of your reaction that was reasonable and accurate, I do feel you're giving a bit "too much" when you assume that actors were chosen because Hollywood didn't want to portray US elites being gunned down by skinny, malnourished militiamen. The reality is, whether that militiaman is 110lbs soaken wet, or 180lbs of pure muscle, it's a dude with an AK-47, and AK-47 doesn't discriminate. Furthermore, while Delta and the 75th Rangers are elite in their own rights, they're also humans like you or I, and I think we as non-SF/SOF persons really forget that sometimes. They're brave men made of the same squishy materials as you and I. Furthermore, it's safe to say they local militias were probably far better fed than their non-combatant counterparts. You have to remember that once the UN started trucking in supplies, these local warlords would seize them and redistribute amongst their forces and use the surplus as a weapon to hold the locals hostage. So regardless, I think it is entirely reasonable to also assume that some of the combatants there were probably decently fit lads, at least my Eastern/North African standards.
Either way, these were 180+ US personnel against anywhere from 500-1,500 armed combatants in an urban environment, in the middle of daytime with little to no CAS on station due to initial ROE and mission planning. It wouldn't matter if you were Delta, the SAS, Spetsnaz etc, this was an extremely deadly fight. Members of TF Ranger performed admirably and honorably.
A "safety" feature of the RPG is that it self detonate at 1k meters at that point it becomes an excellent anti air weapon as it spreads explosive debris all over.
Probably was used in this manner in this incident.
The "drone" you mention is a command and control aircraft fixed wing that you never see that provides Intel and directives from a high point.
the game Black Hawk Down got the city kinda... KINDA right
He man Somali here who has lived in Mogadishu and played that game, it really doesn’t get it right lmao. It’s good game though, awesome soundtrack👍
The Rebs in this movie reminded me much of Liberian and Sierra Leone RUF rebels.
they remind me of ukrainian defense
my dad war in there at the base and herd it on the radio
The ending was very close. A friend of mine was in the unit that did the rescue. Every single soldier was shot at least once. No one came back without at least 1 bullet in them.
Every soldier was not hit. I was at one of the CCP's and we has an accurate number of hit vs non hit. Your mate is telling a tall story.
So he gets mad that the movie omits one Somali but over all shows how the shoot down worked. You going to get mad they didn't show them Digging a hole in the ground to stop the back blast from burning them cause they are shooting an RPG upwards which it isn't Designed or ment to?
I lived there and no one saw them as gods. They where seen as untrustworthy and strange. But no one seen them as anything spectacular. That’s why they lost in the street.
He’s really knit picking the filming location as if Ridley and his homeboys were supposed to show up with military vehicles back in Mogadishu. As if it’s easy finding a suitable location that’s friendly to American film making, can support the thousands of crew members, has the infrastructure to use and maintain military vehicles, and located on the beach
100% my thoughts.
If you are seeing this, can you react next to this ww2 German reenactment from War Productions? I think It's from 2019 and the title Is called "Wiking" which I think Is a SS division from the eastern front. They also have another video that takes place on the Western front.
Hehe I already reacted to it ;)
160 men vs a whole city? Well trained or not. Those men were the underdogs.
and the enemy
I think they did an outstanding job go check the documentary going back to Mogadishu. I had a relative there and they say the movie was prettt accurate soo
They covered the timeline of events and the feeling of the overall battle really well
The original mission plan was to have an AC-130 gunship to cover with IR camera but the civilian administrator appointed by the UN advised that would attract too much attention and might trigger a push to veto the entire mission.
When they got pinned down the blackhawks were ordered to go low and provide support.
I'm not a pilot but I was airborne in my country, so I got to hang around them quite a bit. They get trained in cases of the main rotor failing and also tail rotors, but what they said about this movie is that, since they were flying so close to the ground, is that they didn't have the energy to counteract the torque with speed to fly home. What the movie does a good job of showing, although tacitly, is that Wolcott & Durant made the best of a crappy situation by "cushioning" the crash using the ground effect. Even knowing they were probably going to die, if they can save 1 person by sacrificing themselves, they'll do it, and they actually did. If you hear the real radio chatter from Super 6-1 & Super 6-4 is that, even knowing they were going down, they kept their cool to the very last moment, displaying an incredible amount of professionalism.
Edit: Oh and what you said about the crazy maneuvers, when I saw this movie and seeing the MH-6 Little Birds (AKA Killer Eggs) landing troops in the middle of the street, I thought it was creative liberties, until I flew about 10ft off the ground on a killer egg. They make it look easy because of their training. Some older pilots I spoke said they could "read" the helicopter's behaviour, much like a rally racer "reads" the ground and his car.
The buff dude is a representation of the threat (a big one) it's subliminal, it doesn't matter irl if your 90lbs 0r a solid 390lbs a gun is called the great equalizer for a reason a mass volumes of fire against the very best is still going to get results.
the threat of a local population attacking foreign soldiers?? do you work for the kremilin or the white house??
@@jakepistolero neither I'm referring to the threat being in relation to just a few guys on the ground the the imposing Nation as a whole. As far as the population attacking government that's the side I land on with the tyranny going on here, so no I'm not against the people pushing out invaders like at our southern border.
For.being the most bellicose nation on earth, having executed more invasions than anyone else on the planet during the last 100 years, and you still dont know what invasion is. Typical of your countrymen and women
6 days, we need a breakdown of 6 days
Please make a video for Generation Kill!
13:07 only in Battlefield
I'd love to see you make a historically accurate movie. You can't? Guess, that's why you're just bellyaching on YT instead.
Can you react to "We Were Soldiers" If you didn't already?
That movie is my top favorite war movie, I got the copy of it as a kid and I re-watched it over 30 times, every year at least 2 times because I enjoyed it so much.
A former colleaque of my wife, born in Ghana, made a gesture of spitting on the floor when he heard that we were going to take "refugees" from Somalia here in Finland. He said that they are the gypsies of the Africa. He is an African native, but still said that Somalis have the bad manners of both blacks and arabs. We did not have any previous experiences of them, but after these years, we do...
What a load of 🦬💩! Try harder next time.
Somalis are not “ gypsies” of Africa you’re like weird for insinuating that We have our own homogenous land. Also we’re not Arab.
Dude do u know according to science the first human were from east africa and guess where somalia is located lmao, i think ur wife’s colleague was a gypsy himself not the somalis, and what do u mean we do now. Puhu suomea jumalauta
Bantu of west Africa who was slave traded for centuries of years tries to depict Somalis as gypsies Somalis are Lions of Africa they repelled every invader and they were never slave traded unlike the bantus
At the beginning, this does a good job considering the Somali side, but completely forgets it in the second half. I would love to see a victorious flm called "Black Hawk Down!" from the Somali perspective. Not to insult the sacrifice of the international troops who mitigated the famine (let's not forget Pakistanis, Italians...).
On the point about overfed actors playing the militia fighters, we should take into account that militia members would likely be better fed than the general population. (The ethnic appearance of the fighters is a good point, but at least it gave African actors jobs.)
Good video, but jumps over some stuff.
Imagine being an African actor and some random white youtuber says you don't look African enough to be Somali
This has to be the most ignorant statement I ever heard.
@@rollinsomethingbutiforgot HL didn’t say they don’t look “African” enough. You are putting words in his mouth. He said they don’t look Somalian, because they don’t, and they aren’t.
Ethnicities can look different even within the same racial group. For example, it would be weird for Italians or Spaniards to play Russians and vice versa, despite both being white Europeans. Ethnic Russians tend to be blonder, lighter skinned, more likely to have blue eyes, and Russian men have slightly wider heads. Ethnic Italians and other south Europeans tend to have darker hair, tanner skin, and are more likely to have brown eyes. Likewise it’s weird when some British dudes are portraying Romans. Etc.
It’s not a secret that ethnic groups can have different overall appearances and it’s not racist to a point that out, not matter what the race od the person pointing it out is… I think you’re just looking to get offended.
@@QualityPen you sound a bit racist with your Gestapo-like profiling of ethnicity
There's nothing wrong with Spanish or Italian people playing a Russian character in a movie if they can do the accent or play the role
It's acting, not representing.
It's a movie, not a documentary.
@@rollinsomethingbutiforgot I’m Somali and not one of those actors in this film look Somali so “some white CZcams”is smart.
They dont even show the other Foreign UN soldiers hauling their ass out of there.
that's because americans dont think of anyone else
As a somali, this movie did not present the facts even the name of the somali malitia leader General Aidid was not mention and being replaced with some west African blacks and not filmed in muqdisho the real footage of the war are in the end of the video
Oh and dont forget What the Americans didn’t know in the beginning is that the Italian general who was head of the Italian army in Mogadishu was spying on them for Aidid in return his soldiers would never be attacked...which they found out later and caused big beef between the Americans and the italians...
RPGs were actually a bigger threat than the 12.7mm machine guns. Aidid milita used the RPGs on advise of the Afghan Mujahideen who used them against Soviet helicopters.
Good video and reaction, but most I loved was the thought you brought 7:44 - the Somali perspective, just brilliant! It also kind of clears ideological mist. I also really liked the final thought :) Would love to see movie from militia point of view, but sadly they do not have an Empire ;) Cheers.
btw: Found your channel via Ukraine commentary, good commentary :)
Didn’t realize that the 160th Rangers was a thing last I checked it was 160th SOAR and 75th Ranger Regiment but ok let’s let the British guy tell us how accurate and American battle is to an American film because my dad was there and trust me the film is very accurate
2:03 big buffed african does not llok somalian, hw is from south of the sahel stock.
I mean 2:08 yeah they had a famine but they also had a civil war, also famine doesn't mean no food, just mean scares amounts of food. So logically the fighting forces would have the food and everyone else wouldn't have much if any. Also by this time (1993) food has been flowing in for about a year plus now. And the UN/US only got involved after the militias were stealing the food from the civilian population
Jocko have a podcast with one of the pilots of that second choper.
It doesn't look like mogadishu because they couldn't shoot the movie there it was too dangerous to shoot it there they shot the movie in morocco
We're lucky the U.S. government, of all...'people', stepped in to help with the movie in providing actual Black Hawks and Little Birds, or he would've been yelling about them having to use something like black Hueys or maybe really fake looking CGI ones.
"Come on, Hollywood! Do better!"
The real story of this movie is a Malaysian army save the Rangers
Yikes bro I think you mean the 10th mountain with their Malaysian APC drivers and Pakistani tank support
@@wordherb1128 yea
There is a reason why iraqis have strong pride in fighting the americans even if it was 27000vs+5000kia (not including other militaries)
Because it's like standing up to space marines
This dude makes a living off of feeding into people's criticalness. It's a fuckin Hollywood movie so of course it's not gonna be totally accurate, but they did a pretty damn good job. Call of Duty on the other hand...
To be fair, most of the somali militia are super skinny. Maybe the commander is well fed?
@Pterinochilus John I agree it was a casting decision, also the actor has Nigerian ancestry. Hence why he looks noticeably different, from the Somali extras.
“They just came out of a famine they should be malnourished and skinny”
“This place shouldn’t look so torn up, they had normal happy lives there, they had food markets”
-Bruh
Yeah I was confused at how contradictory those statements where too… also whole reason the U.N. Was there was because because when trying to distribute food to the starving people, Somalian warlords where stealing in for themselves. So U.N. Was there to try and properly distribute the food
The IRL and movie were different on the crash. Very few troops saw the crash.
Quick fact that the real life RPG in Black Hawk Down were actually modified version:
"This view of an RPG-7, which can cause a great deal of damage, displays the type of weapon which was used to
take-down two Black Hawks during the 1993 battle of Mogadishu. Photo of RPG-7, captured by U.S. Army
personnel, online courtesy Nellis Air Force Base.
Later, it was determined that an "RPG 7," with a fuse modified so the shell would explode in flight, had struck
the Black Hawks. That form of rocket-propelled grenade had been developed in Afghanistan by the Mujahideen
("holy warriors") during their war with the Soviet Union.
In his speech condemning what had happened to the American soldiers on 3-4 October 1993, British Prime
Minister Tony Blair connected the ambush and downed Black Hawks to Osama bin Laden. Mohammed Odeh (an
Osama bin Laden lieutenant), had been sent to Somalia to train and fight alongside the warlords.
America-although the country didn't know it-was already at war with bin Laden in the fall of 1993."
I appreciate your comment about how the Somalis viewed the Americans.
Too many Americans still expect the whole world to view us through the eyes of a 1940's Dutch woman.
It got critics from Pakistan/Malaysia because UN Malaysia/Pak that help them out, and it the movie none mentioned
The whole ending of the film is based around the Malaysians and Pakistanis. You see them on screen. The critics are ultra nationalists who believe the whole operation was conducted by the Malaysians, when it was 114 Malaysians and a few dozen Pakistanis attached to the US 10th Armoured Division
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It's not exactly unrealistic that the warlords and their men would've been well fed. After all, they have guns and could easily take what little food there was
I think it was Mh-60l black hawk
Malaysia and Pakistan has big role in somalia for rescue mission but everthing focus only America
It's not just Malaysia, you guys really forget the other contingents of PAKISTAN and the American 10th Mountain Division all the time whenever the rescue of Super 6-1 is mentioned.
It’s like casting a European American to play an indigenous Mexican in a movie
Well, actually isnt mogadishu, the place where they filmed was Morocco
I just watched black Hawk down before watching this video
Love From India
2:14 Skinnies with the strong heat 🇸🇴
Reminds me of Modern Warfare 2's Takedown lvl.
Hey man loved ur coverage about vanguard and that pile of trash. Just curious where are u from?? And also how do u know so much about history I took a lot in hs and so history loved it but ur on another level man love ur channel
I think he's canadian. Dont know his background
The pirates in captain Phillips still had reasonable physiques, good muscle definition, that’s for sure.
in the actual incident, the American army was rescued by a military force from Malaysia (19 RAMD Mekanis). One of the soldiers from the Malaysian army has been killed as a result of RPG fire from Somali fighters
In the actual rescue, it was a mixed force of Pakistanis (who you conveniently didn't mention 👀) and Malaysians that aided the 10th Mountain and the remnants of Task Force Ranger. Your comment is definitely one of more tame glory hounds, getting the death of one of the Malaysians to an RPG right, but I do like that you couldn't resist making it out like the Malaysians did it on their own when they actually played taxi service, providing one driver and one gunner, for their 28 Condor APCs...
@@IIMoses740II pakistani troops refused to enter the zone
1:55 to be fair, the only reason that guy looked well fed was because he was probably something of a war lord, or a high ranking officer to one. We see him being in a position of authority throughout the film, and it was him and his guys who were stealing aid supplies
Nope. Look at Aideed, he was of small build as well. I never saw a fat Somali in my 9 months in the Mog in 1993.
3:06 not to add to the fact he has a bullet belt but has an AK74U which can't use the bullet belt
my grandpa directed this