Gaffer & Gear 62 - Light Domes
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- Gaffer & Gear 62 - Light Domes
In this episode we take a look at how light domes work, the advantages and disadvantages. Then review the DOP Choice Octodome, the Aputure LightDome II and the Lightdome Mini II
INDEX
00:00 Intro
How they work
00:22 Bigger is softer
01:22 Diffusion Soft/Hard
02:05 Advantages /Disadvantages
04:45 Light level compared to diffusion frames
06:20 DOP Choice Octodome
06:45 Rabbit Ears Mount
07:24 How are you going to tilt it?
07:50 Arri Skypanel Centre Ball Mount
08:30 Leverage problems
09:05 Tipping Hazzard
10:05 Putting the dome on
12:53 The inner baffle
13:29 Outer Diffusion
13:52 Snap Grid (assembly and tips)
16:52 Disassembly
18:22 Aputure Lightdome II
18:50 Quick set and release speed ring (mount)
19:35 Assembling
21:06 Gel holder
22:39 Supplied diffusion
23:05 Using the inner baffle
25:25 The shape of the unit
26:21 The grid
27:25 Disassembling
27:48 Kelvin shift
28:37 LightDome mini II
29:55 What’s in the kit
30:37 Explaining the inner reflector
32:25 Negatives
Link to another good video on this topic...
Meet the Gaffer #93 Octobanks
• Meet The Gaffer #93: O... - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Best review of these two lights that I've seen and a refreshing, practical and down to earth "pro" attitude presentation - most impressive!
I've hired Lock as a gaffer before and picked up lights from that very shed! Great bloke, great channel and great to see you finding a way to share you knowledge mate! Awesome stuff
I'm a pro but I always learn something from your shows. Your channel is fantastic. Thank you!
When real pros do reviews. Thank you!
19:20 Lol. I absolutely love the sauce here. "I'm like: did you *use* it?!" RIP producer.
25:47 More sauce! lol "If you don't believe me: have a look at the sun. It's a circle."
THIS IS THE BEST TUTORIAL ON APUTURE LIGHT DOMES THE REST ARE NO WHERE NEAR THIS DESCRIPTIVE
As far as the Apeture light dome, my mentor has a unique way of setting it up. He grabs 2 opposing rods, and clicks them into place, then works his way around. Takes half the time of doing it rod by rod, but doesn't risk the damage of putting it on the ground (we tend to shoot in locations where nice smooth warehouse floors don't exist)
That is a fine method. I have done this for 30 years with most softboxes.
I have large hands and can open two adjacent rods. Not sure how that goes for people with smaller hands.
this channel is so incredibly informative, thank you!!!
Incredibly valuable resource you're supplying here. Keep up the good work.
That was a brilliant comparison and review! Full of great information. Very well done! 👏
What a GREAT teacher / fantastic demos, with absolute clarity!
A great discussion about how light domes work. Great gaffer tips and tricks. Good food for thought. Thanks!
When you picked up the Light Dome II I worked out that you might be a bit smaller than I am... You are amazing by the way. I'm a solo cam op from Tassie, and your videos have really helped with my purchases.
no matter how many times I thank you it'll never be enough, thank you for all your videos.. Keep it up mate..
Thanks so much for covering why you would use the dome vs other diffusers. Exactly the question I had!
Thanks for posting this up, Andrew. It’s really useful practical advice and you communicate extremely well. You’ve educated me and saved me a fair bit of money! Thanks
Thank you for the demo of Aputure Light Dome Mini II. After watching it, it's clear to me that it's absolutely perfect for my "limited space" studio.
20:08 boy can I relate! Great channel my friend. So refreshing to see someone who has experience rather than YouBoobers fumbling through it. I saw a video yesterday where some kid was talking about Chimera softboxes and he kept pronouncing it "chi-merra" rather than "sha-mirrah". Had had to turn it off lol
That was so nice and in-depth, great job! Just ordered the Aputure Light Dome Mini II due to the small size of the home studio I'll use it in.
so satisfying watching this... enjoyable watching an expert in their area of expertise do their thing...
Good stuff. I like the inner baffle delete tip for more output without sacrificing output on the LightDome II.
It might still be useful with other lights
Great episode, thank you for the wealth of information! The mini dome looks a lot like a beauty dish, especially with the center reflector, and no outer diffusion. I'm guessing the fashion/glamour crowd is its real target audience.
Thanks. You insights are invaluable. Please keep 'em coming.
Very nice presentation my friend. Thank you for being so thorough. 👍
Informative and answering questions I didn't even realize I had. Awesome!
AMAZING! So much useful information!
Great info. Thank you so much!
Awesome in depth review, learn a lots from your video
just stumbled across this channel tonight and i am very excited. great content and looks like a cool dude
Man keep them coming 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 great stuff!
Excellent videos! Thank you for making these!
Thank you very much for your great reviews!
I've used the Elinchrom deep octa for years photography and video soft beautiful light. Its quick to setup also however the perfect dome circle and gel holder along with the even quicker setup time, is enough to get me interested.
To the point, helpful, lots of behind the scene info. Subbed!
Have you watched the DoP choice episode
Thanks for this professional view on all this!
Thank you so much for your great reviews!) Love it so much!)
Thank you for your time!
So glad I found this channel.
Great episode. learned a lot. thank you.
Great info. Quick setup is really a plus for most setups especially with one man band shooting. I really don't want to be hauling around a ton of stuff. I also like the edge lit lights out there by Dracast but those are vastly lower output compared to the 300D. I have quite a few Godox lights that are extremely cheap but will certainly be adding at least one decent light and the Light Dome II. always good to buy the second generation of anything. I'll see if I can swing a package deal with the light and the Dome. I do like the new Aputure lantern for speed and in an audience setting they are presentable. The aputure space light softbox is far too crinkly and do look a bit cheap in an audience setting though the light is quite good. Totally laughed at your comment about being closer to 50 than 40.... Well there's alot of us out there for sure. The DP from Enders Game was Don McAlpine (also an Aussie I think) and he was 79 when he did that movie. SO you are pretty young !! Wondering if you have ever done a comparison between 300DII and the Forza 300.
Wonderful info! Thanks!
@29:50 great review! but you can make a soft light hard by backing it further away, therefor it becomes "smaller" from the subjects perspective ;)
😂 that speed up 7:06 was so short looking like a nervous tick more than anything else, so I started giggling, than a couple of seconds later you couldn't hold it and laugh back hahaha priceless :D Great video btw !
you do incredible reviews
Awesome video. Thank you 🙏🏽
nice demo works great
So great, thank you, really.
I learned a ton, thank you!!
I wish I had seen this video a month ago, I do small stop motion projects and have been switching my light kit slowly over to LEDs and wanted to grab a softbox for my Aputure 120D MKII, I ended up going with a softbox that was half the cost the Aputure box (I went with a 36" Angler BoomBox which is fine for my scale)
Overall I am really happy with it except it would be an utter pain to gel the fixture to match my tungsten lights (I'm still using some Mini-Mole Fresnel lights which aren't economical for me to replace at this point) That inner gel holder for the Aputure Light dome would have been 100% worth the extra cost, that way I wouldn't have to gel the already pretty low powered 200w mole tungsten lights just to match color.
How pro are you ! hats off !
Great job
Great review, nice channel - subscribed!
OMG somebody who talks like a professional. I thought Curtis Judd was the only one. 🙂
Huge fan of Curtis myself
@@gaffergear He's great! He seems like more of an expert on microphone/sound details than lighting, though. His lighting stuff is much less into the geeky details.
Great review
Thanks for great help!!!
Thank you so much for this. In one video you've answered so many questions and joined up many dots - if you know what I mean. Thanks :)
Thanks so much mate, your channel is awesome, subscribed. I'm looking to learn more about lighting, working in commercials. I think I will buy a 120D mk2 and light dome 2. Cheers.
Excellent
great content.
Dude you are the best!
thank you so much .. that was helpful
Thanks for the baffle part :D. Saved me 1h of testing ;D ... ok, maybe 15 minutes but still :D
The silver inner reflector would be good with the larger dome as well. I’ve used these inner reflectors, over the inner diffusers, for years, they are definitely softer and more even. Even used a silver one with a Canon speedlite and a metre softbox and light flash was incredible even and soft. C
this channel is great
I think the DOP choice is much brighter because of the larger light surface of the skypanal than any bonus mount light !
Thank you for great demo.
dude....thank you so much.
Nice!
Now basically.... that's a ton of info that i wished for... thank you..🥰😍🤩
Yep I did say Basically a lot back then.
@@gaffergear but the knowledge you shared and the way you dealt with the equipments 😘👌🏽 there's got to be some discipline and care.... expecting more contents 🥰
Also I'm planning to get a light dome 2 from aputure after watching this
Perfect
Awesome info, thank you so much for doing this! As far as the 300dmk2 vs the forza 500, I'd love to know which you prefer and why?
29:50 You CAN make a soft light harder, by backing it up further away from the subject, as long as its powerful enough.
kinda playing on words a bit, harder, yes, but not actually hard
People often confuse diffuse light with soft light. “Softness” or “hardness” of light is determined by the size of the light source in comparison to the subject.
Genius !
great channel with amazing reviews and explanation, however people goes for info to Potato Jet and Peter McBurguer for some reason 0_o
Keep up the good work!!!
"Have a look at the sun, it's a circle" 😂
You're a genius
Have you tried any of the Nanlite softboxes? Their Para 150 Softbox looks interesting and it's quite a bit larger than the Aputure light dome.
Thanks again for all of your helpful reviews and tips. I've purchased a Forza 300 thanks to your reviews, and wanted to ask: Do you have any recommendations on a light dome for the Forza 300? Ideally I'd like to gel my light to tungsten from time to time, and I've been considering the Light Dome II, but am a little worried about heat from the COB. I'd also be curious if you had any gels that you recommend for gelling down to tungsten properly. Thank you again so much. I've been telling everyone I know about your thoughtful reviews.
Should be fine, I gell the 500 with CTB using the holder in the dome ii and don't get an issue, dark gels melt fast though
Hello. Very thorough and deep dive in those domes. I am a Canon Speedlite user, and I use the 600EX-RT, with a guide number of 60. Do you think that this can be used with good result together with the Aputure Light Dome II?
The GOAT
Seeing as you need the inner reflector for the light dome mini to evenly distribute it's light due to the smaller depth, would that imply that other similarly sized soft boxes do not evenly distribute their light? For example the 60cm softbox for the forza is one i can think of as well as many others that don't include the small inner reflector, as far as i'm aware anyway. Also, great content! :)
Whoa, at 7:50 I thought you just slammed the Skypanel face-front lol due to the fast-forward.
I hope you will be able to review the new Aputure Light Dome 150 with an LS300x light. I wonder if the bigger dome will increase the light output a bit. And how it compares to shooting through a circular fold up diffuser. I have been shooting through the diffuser, then bouncing it off the ceiling in a small 8 x 10 office to light a speaker behind a desk. But the light from the diffuser bothers his eyes. Thank you for your wonderful instruction.
I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one
For the light dome mini. The gold on the inner reflector - you can flip it around to get a yellower light?
Great as always! Thanks for sharing your knowledge! At the moment I'm looking for a 8x8 or 10x10 frame diffuser. Found lastolite skylite and westcott scrim jim. Which one you suggest?
I haven't used either
@@gaffergear Thanks sir, ike your vídeos, so professional! Just looking for an apropied frame diffuser for my Forza 300 and soon a Forza 500 . Would be great a video of you regarding diffusers (advantages and disadvantages) of using different stops of fabric. And even what light modifier is better when using frame modifiers. Is fresnel an option in this case or it is to narrow.
Fantastic work. I just bought the Mini II for close range work and find that at close range the output in the centre using it's reflector is quite dulled down as a result. It was interesting to see how you compared to the diffusion paper using the gel sheet, but like you mentioned thegel sheet blocks a lot of output. I'm thinking of makiing my own diffusion layer like in the regular light dome. What do you think? ....also great to see a fellow Aussie doing such an incredible job. Thanks very much
May not be as soft as the reflector, I would try and keep it a fairly light diffuser
@@gaffergear @Gaffer & Gear actually I was using this on my Forza 60 and due to the recessed COB, there wasn't enough light output as probably 25% was immediately lost in the metal fitting plate. I've since changed to the Forza 60 Softbox and the output is so much better. Not to mention you get a softer milky cover that produces a nicer output than the light domes cover....which also comes with the Forza softbox.
The light dome mini is more controlled and directional with far less spill than 2x2 panel. Also worth the added grid there is even more directional control perfect as a hair or kicker light.
I have grids for all my panels
I’m a starting filmmaker looking at getting prosumer level lighting equipment with a budget of about sub 1k USD what is a good 1 light option and what is a good 2 light option?
Do you think it's possible to use a reflective baffle with the Chimera pancake lantern?
anyone tried to put the gel holder on another brand dome like nanlite for example ?
I really been enjoying your videos thank you for making them. I have a question I am a pro photographer moving into video with my first mirrorless Nikon Z6 camera so I was interested in video lighting I am fully stocked out with Profoto gear as a photographer and wondering if I can use any of my soft boxes on video lights or if that’s not a good idea (heat, shape such as square) do you have any thoughts? I’m mostly thinking about doing corporate interview type shooting three point lighting, light weight for easier travel. I’d love to hear your recommendations or perhaps you have another video discussing this type of set up?
I saw somewhere a Bowen's to prophoto adaptor for just this. The only reason video lights are Bowen mount is because Bowen went broke so no one has to pay loyalties on the design.
As long as you are not running anything hot, you should be fine with your soft boxes
Would it improve the softness of the LightDome II to put aluminum foil on the inner baffle to make it reflect light on to the back of the dome like the silver panel does in the LightDome Mini II?
I don't think that will work because the dome is a different shape. But hey, it will only cost you sine tin foil to try it
are the more quiet nanlite boxes out yet also how does the 500 perform outdoors
Boxes working quieter now, so I've got 5.
Work nice
Have you found the gel holder on the light dome2 to work with the forza 500 og does it trap the heat and damage the gel and cob?
It seems OK with light coloured gels, as for trapping heat from the COB I don't know, I may drill some holes in it for ventilation.
Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge! What about Nanlite Softboxes? I think they're called Para. Any good?
In terms of build quality they honestly look like they come out of the same factory.. I found the Nanlite mini dome to be very tight when setting up.
@@gaffergear thanks! True, these days almost all products are like the same. China? They just change the name of the product and some cosmetics. I'm going to buy a Forza 300 tomorrow in internet. Just not decided witch sotfbox, but seeing your video think that the Aperture Dome II is the way to go for such a light. Any suggestions? Does the Forza 300 COB goes sufficiently outside the Dome II?
@@JADURCA I use Aputure Domes in my Forza 500s, no problem
I picked up the 300x along with LightDome II. Great combo but knowing the 300x does not match the 300D for output.
Does anyone care to add if the 300D would be leaps and bounds with the output?
My X are about 60% the brightness of the D
My lee filter gels smoke a little bit while using the gel holder is that normal??
Yep, we used to change the gels out at lunch time with the old lights
Hey Andrew. I'm cycling through your videos looking for what you recommend as menace arm solution to support a light dome at full extension. I'm in Tasmania, Australia so if you know of gear locally you recommend, feel free to link it up!
Send me an email to andrewlock@tpg.com.au
Let me know the light and how fare you want to boom out And I'll give you my recommendations for a local manufacturer or distributor.
Is there any way (or point) of getting one of the reflectors onto the light before the dome is added so the light is increased in brightness before going through the dome??
The dome and the reflector go on the same mount
Gaffer & Gear I have the 120d mk1 and use the light dome almost everyday and love it. But if the light output is so much great with the reflector on surely we can come up with a reflector/dome combo. 👍
@@colinleask4777 a reflector that clips in like the gel holder!
Hey there, just want to ask if you tried the Octa 5 from DoP with bowens mount adaptor (i believe it is the SBRRO 5). Is it a bigger hassle to set up in comparison to rabbit ears? Thanks!
I haven't tried that combo