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- Two 1980s music icons (and Tony Blackburn) discuss a recently published book about the legendary Factory band Joy Division. Both reveal an admiration for the band but only one claims to be a genuine fan.
Originally broadcast 25 May, 1984.
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Never thought I'd pick George Michael in a Joy Division battle. George loves music and Morrissey loves himself.
They said a lot of the same stuff. And Morrisey admitted the music grew on him a bit. They both felt that the music was sort of pretentious or ostentacious - but more the imagery and facist themes and stuff.
I think they both felt musically the songs were good, it was just this artistic statement to be devoid of emotion. And, as insufferable as Morrissey is, that is believable that he wouldn't like vapid, emotionless music. The Smiths may be dark and pretentious too, but they would never pretend to be emotionless. In fact, they more often go the opposite direction of overly morose and melodramtic.
@@user-dc7um4pr3f Thank you. I was about to say, am I missing something? lol everyone keeps harping on about how much better George Michael's take was than Morrisey's, when they had very similar takes.
I was actually surprised that Morrissey had a second opinion about anything at all. He usually doesn't go back to his word, like his hating of Siouxsie and the Banshees, or his bandmates, or his befriending the Van Halen singer (the irony), he'd carry them to his grave.
Well, at least they have some personality. They're certainly a lot more natural, and a whole lot more interesting, than any modern day pop stars.
@@tinyrick2921 It is surprising, but it’s the second time I’ve heard him do it. If I recall, he wrote about how he couldn’t stand the Ramones and then soon after writing a negative review he fell in love with them. He specifically mentioned “Judy is a punk” as a favorite.
Wow, kudos to George Michael for having the most intelligent, accurate and appreciative take on Joy Division. What a considerate, awesome person.
AND managed to convey his perceptive opinions effectively despite the constant interruptions!!
So if he agrees with you it’s an accurate take? Nothing wrong with what morrissey said. If he didn’t like them, he didn’t like them. I like joy division to some extent but their footprint is much larger than is justified by the music itself justifies in my opinion.
A nice surprise to see the “typical pop musician” appreciate their music, while the “artist” didn’t care for it and called the band fake and was quite dismissive about them. While I regard him as quite similar in approach to music. A lot more similar than George Michael for instance.
Yes, a pity that he got cut off just as the content got going but pretty typical of media just hunting for sound bites.
Yeah, looking at that panel I wouldn't have expected George to like JD and Morrissey to not get them at all.
George Michael was such a gentle person and so intelligent and open minded. Rest in peace George, we miss you.
he died? whatttt
@@lalolanda2239 He died in 2016
His lover Fadi fawaz got away with murder 2 times
@@FiveDORRAWhat?
@@ciwe-ny5nh fawaz " Found" the body of boyzone singer Steven gately,the same way he "Found" the body of poor George
George Michael's analysis on Joy Division was very scholarly, as well as eloquent; it was very refreshing to see that side of him!
Scholarly? A bit of a reach there. How the hell was anything he said scholarly?
Do you know what scholarly means?
Scholarly? He said he didnt even read it.
@@rleriche5044 @Chief_Brody @wellesradio He gave reasons for not reading the book and gave a great and yes I believe scholarly and eloquent review of it. Definition of scholarly is : having or showing knowledge. He did show knowledge of not only the album itself and also his knowledge of Paul Morley told him that the book itself was crap.
@@jessiegunnes no body has ever given a scholarly review of a book they havent read. Get real.
Only George seemed to grasp their uniqueness and musical influence, that lasted through the decades. He was also spot-on about Paul Morley’s pretentiousness.
His infamous scathing review for The Cure's first album is legendary for the worst reasons...Very pretentious indeed. I cringe whenever he's in a music documentary.
I miss George. He was an intelligent man caught up in a judging hypocritical world.
I will never agree that random sex in public restrooms is a part of gay culture.
He did okay though
That's right, he's dead isn't he. I totally forgot.
Oh please. He was hypocrite as well too. Big fat closet case with beard
Few more judgmental and hypocritical than Morrissey.
I expected Morrissey to like Joy Division but George totally surprised me shout out to him great taste
I was surprised too that morrissey does not like Joy division. He does not like the cure either. Maybe he saw those Bands as competition.
@@Leo-qe3gltime has show how important joy division was .
@@edybocman76 yes. I like them a lot.
@@SkyNetGeneral- maybe a little
@@Leo-qe3glNot too surprised by Morrissey’s take on JD. One doesn’t necessarily have to like something to “get” it. He didn’t need to listen to a band like Ian’s to navigate melancholy. Moz had his own songwriting for that. Not to mention Morrissey’s affection for the 1950s through early-1960s music and pop culture… an aesthetic worlds apart from that of Joy Division.
George Michael was seen as just another pop star back then, not to be taken seriously, but looking back he's was one of the most talented people in music in the 80's and he had it all, such a great singer.
What is funnier that this year the rock n roll hall of fame inducted him instead of jd/no. And although im a huge jd fan i truly believe he deserves it more.
George was a great guy, but fantastic musician? He made basic Pop music
a great singer for sure , he really could carry a song@@FiveDORRA
@@FiveDORRAlisten to his album titled "older". He produced all of his own music.
@@FiveDORRAare you crazy?! George was world class in every aspect. I mean his voice is second to none! Cmon man!
I remember watching this at the time of broadcast and being impressed by George’s good taste.
It’s incredible that George Michael and Morrissey were once on the same program.
This was a good tv show, please put more online.
Not really much of a good taste to like Joy Division. Pretty sure all of them tried to be polite about it. Morrisey was spot on. What’s there to like ? Not a good singing, nothing special musically. Just because many indie bands who recycled post punk in 2000s made JD a cult doesn’t mean much in greater context of popular music.
@@robertwill23
Fair enough, I understand what you’re saying. For me it’s Unknown Pleasures that stands out. Closer is a good album, but certainly not my favorite. It’s the grimness of UP that I like, it certainly stands up today.
So it’s the first album plus Atmosphere and LWTUA that I really rate. The macabre cult around JD at the time of this show’s broadcast was huge in part because of New Order’s commercial success.
Maybe I’m old but I just don’t see JD as being so “influential” in the post internet world. But they did have a unique sound thanks to Martin Hannett.
@@robertwill23sure Jan.
@@josephmayfield945Drake has more emotion in his music 💀
@@robertwill23 Joy Division albums are better than any Morrissey solo albums I'm afraid.
I really really wanted to hear what else George had to say. Love that he saw value in Joy Divisions music!
I do too
What name the album they talk about it
@@my69mind”Closer”
It's amazing how much music mattered back then. Pop stars were considered serious intellectuals. It's irrelevant, now.
Interesting...
That's because today's 'stars' are largely irrelevant, delivery mechanisms for uninspired, manufactured, throwaway muzak
I've seen a couple really really good interviews with Caroline Polachek! She's the real deal too. You just have to look further than whatever the radio is playing
2 great songwriters of very different styles. One would eventually turn into cartoon of himself. The other sadly passed away too young.
@@livvy94 I'm not dunking on Polachek or any other artist - just saying our *culture* doesn't take pop seriously anymore. I can't remember the last time I saw musicians discuss a book. They were taken seriously because they used to drive social change: Robeson in the 1950s, Dylan in the 60s, Public Enemy in the 80s. This hasn't been the case for decades. It is wonderful to watch, but it also makes me sad.
Morrissey being….Morrissey. Unexpectedly loved George Michael!
@@StanlyStud he's true to himself, he's outspoken, and oddly more punk than the butter seller Johnny Rotten ever was.
@@StanlyStud Agree!
@@mikethebloodthirsty Yeah Morrissey is one of the few people who actually stays true to his value even if they are very misguided. He doesn't try to appeal to the general populus with a fake manufactured personality
You are half correct. Johnny Lydon (Rotten) was far better later in the early Pil when he actually contributed something NEW to music. Yes Morrissey is indeed openly a racial bigot of the most extreme sort but then so was Adolf his hero. Nothing to be proud of. Morrissey needs to be 'retired' from life. Many of my family were killed or died fighting your heroes.@@mikethebloodthirsty
He was still self absorbed d head tho
Why you folks on his cult never admit that is beyond me. Doesn't mean we don't appreciate his talent.
Just because someone is talented don't automatically make them good people. No laws get broken acknowledging that
The guy from Wham knows more about Joy Division than anyone else on the panel, including Morrissey.
I can't imagine a more eclectic music industry panel from that era in Britain.
An eclectic era
Peter Maxwell Davies, Boy George and Ritchie Blackmore?
Trying to imagine what the modern day equivalent panel would be… 🤔
@@pallhe yep. Pete Burns, Phill Collins and Cliff Richard
three white men?
george michael was so open and decent and intelligent wasn't he
He hadn't come out then .Open ?
@@Stephen-lx9nm Because it was 1984?
@@Stephen-lx9nm he wasn't sure what he was back then, he said he thought he might be bisexual until he fell in love with a man at age 27.
@@Stephen-lx9nmnot everything is about sexual orientation.
@@Stephen-lx9nmhard to do it when it’s illegal
I watched this for Morrissey back in 1984 and had little time for George Michael. Now, I have far more respect for the latter.
Us schoolkids thought we knew it all but were blindly misled by the media, NME, popstsr images. If we could " listen without prejudice" we might have seen how ironically pretentious Morrissey was and how self effacing George was (his music being light weight at the time, but still .)
@@rachelar I saw what you did there. Nice.
Funny, I have more respect for Morrissey now than then.
@@spencerdodds2207now that it turns out he’s more than not very nice?
It's funny how life throws a spanner in the works, back in the eighties I liked Morrisey and though Rick Astley was a bit of a dick, here we are in 2023 and it's total role reversal.
George Michael being iconic for 1 and a half minutes straight.
Fair play to George Michael 👏
Love Moz’s music but he’s a proper tool. Kudos to George
Intelligent comment that you can seperate the tool from the art the tool channeled
@rachelaroda1369 when you're a Smiths fan, overlooking Morrisey's tool-dom comes with the territory :-)
@@rachelar not intelligent you can't spell separate
Why dyou think Morrissey's a tool? I think he's just honest, and healthily cynical
YES, I love Morrissey's work but in his interviews he's insufferable!
I can't work out whether Morrissey is damning Joy Division with faint praise or praising them with faint damnation.
sort of thing morrissey would say löl
He's just answering seriously. He saw them, he wasn't very taken by them and he wasn't willing to call something brilliant he didnt find brilliant. Also seems like he was able to peek behind the curtain and knew that the emotions of the people didn't match the stark take they produced with their music.
Just Morrissey being Morrissey. Coming down to earth from Planet Morrissey.
So, you know what a chiasmus is too, huh?
@@doorag_nationwidehahaha
George Michael was such a beautiful soul, inside & out
theres no "out" one day you ll understand
Proper star - George Michael !
@@davidaaronartist🤡
Most men would have given anything to have Georges appeal to women and it was totally wasted on him. The world is a crazy place.
RIP George. incredible talent for music
Good in a cubicle too I heard
@@browngaymethodistjesuschri1361 multi talented ;)
George Michael was always really interesting to listen to in interviews. Clearly a very thoughtful guy. A reminder never to judge a book by it's cover.
Fascinating clip that emphasizes how moribund culture has become. Imagine asking a pop star now for an opinion on anything.... you'd get nothing. Even pretty boy George is highly articulate and independent. And to have such stellar talent on a low budget panel show... quite extraordinary
George wasn't even 21 here.
There are still plenty of intelligent pop stars around.
you can't blame musicians, it's the media that's moribund. we live in risk-averse times, shallow + clipped content for content's sake (for profit's sake) is all we get.
@@ghost_mallbecause pop music is made to a formula now, which is why it all sounds the same, the result makes it highly marketable and profitable. It's the killing of creativity for something easy listening
Different generation. Blame the collapse of the education system.
Music is obvs highly subjective but imo Unknown Pleasures is a masterpiece - Disorder is a cracking opening track. Musicians don’t necessarily need to be virtuosos to ceate something that is original, exciting and interesting to listen to
First album is amazing
Exciting?
@@reinforcedpenisstemagree with George. Second more "beautiful" with the string synths etc. Ditto "Atmosphere"
@@rachelar Closer is great but each song is is mostly built out of one idea only.
I grew up on Joy Division i absolutely love them
George Michael was a gem.
Once George Michael started talking about how much he enjoyed Joy Division's music, it was time for the segment to end... Kudos to George Michael. I love the Smiths and Morrissey is a great artist, but I'm not sure if there's anyone more up their own ass than he.
The interviewer was a tad aggravating asking questions and then butting in mid sentence. Would have been nicer to hear George speak more as he seemed the only one interested in JD.
It was a terrible interview. I hope this was not representative of the rest of his work. This could have been a really interesting conversation.
He was def trying to trip George up. Didn't though. Because George, unlike his string vest, had a brain.
@@OlafProt and I don't think Morrissey could have listed the tracks either. What a piss poor interviewer.
@@mipmipmipmipmip you’re not wrong there. But then whilst he was a great lyrical social observer (back then) outside of that, Moz talked interminable shite 😂
Well he only had a few minutes and had to fit everyone in and move it along.
George's stab at Paul Moron was just spot-on. RIP my man.
Could you tell me who this Paul Morely guy is....what did he do that's objectionable?
@Rachel Cois na Coillte He was a music critic. Magazines like NME, Melody Maker had a lot of clout in them days. Morley was ok...had certain ideas about what proper 'music' is, was, should be. Guessing he was not a fan of wham lol. A real artist does not need to be told what 'art' is. George was right
@@bigron7009 Thanks for the info. I love the music from that era especially Mancunian bands. George Michael seemed like a nice person may be rest in peace.
@Rachel Cois na Coillte You're welcome. There was some stuff about George on the BBC the other day. Forgot how talented he was (maybe not to everyone's taste but as an artist he evolved a lot). I love a lot of the electronic music from that era too. It just sounded different then and still sounds fresh now. Morley, although a critic for the most part did work with some artists. In particular Frankie Goes to Hollywood and that Relax video. No such thing as bad publicity...getting banned etc...they rode that wave
@@bigron7009 I know what you mean about the electronic music from that era. I mostly listen to alternative stuff, traditional Irish music and ancient music but that doesn't put me off liking good pop music that also happens to be commercially successful. Turn a Different Corner by George Michael is a beautiful song. I love 80s bands too like Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance. There doesn't seem to be any room for artists like that in today's music industry though.
Its a joy to see things like this again.
The panel seems divided.
@@jasonayres Which is fair enough.
Just make sure you have a TV licence!
Because technically you need one to watch any BBC content! 👍
Only if it’s live.
@@losttango I thought they changed it for online content as well for UK residents!
George was a great human being. Beautiful.
he Eternal is one of the most beautifully bleak, deepest (spiritually) track ever recorded. That George pointed that out is a testament to his brilliance and perception as a fellow artist.
George Micheal looks so happy it's amazing, even by today's standards.
CZcams changed 'gay' to 'happy'. Oh well.
@@richardbritain7435 yet he still looks very gay, no matter what CZcams changes. It is still here though…
@@richardbritain7435😅
@@richardbritain7435I was gonna ask "what are today's standards of happiness?" 😂
@@aninhamft 80s level-happy always beats out 2000s level-happy or something 😂
George Michael was a really smart guy, a great singer, a great musician, a man brave enough to fight a record company on his own and it was funny as hell. Of course we never knew any of that because the press trash talked him on a daily basis
Jesus, how this stands as a testimony to the change in our times and attitudes. Unbelievable lack of ego from all being interviewed. GM such a lovely guy that we rarely got to see. Morrissey years ahead of his age intellectually and TB just down to earth and honest as always, even tho he knows he's out of place.
This is great and highlights how things have changed
Three British legends discussing the legend of JD in their own terms . Magical. Thanks for uploading
@@Man-From-Another-Place normal procedure back then and why get irritated by something so long ago😜
So true.
No one in fear of sounding too arrogant or mean, because they felt free to express what they really thought.
And I don't mean that cynically or sarcastically.
Morrisey "years ahead of his age intellectually", really? He's just doing his usual egotistical, aloof posturing that is a common stereotype you can find on any university campus for the last 50 years lol. Despite saying he appreciates Joy Division he makes it clear that, in his own mind, he was above all that. And as much as I love The Smiths, he wasn't.
"Unbelievable lack of ego" is not a phrase that anyone has ever used before in conjunction with Morrissey. It's as if everything Morrissey just said went right above this poster's head-which is probably exactly the sort of thing that Morrissey adores.
@@scootaymildo1070agree!
George, Mozza and Tones. What a book club.
Is that Tony Blackburn or Parsons or some other Tony?
@@NotoriousLightning Tony Blackburn. Now in his eighties. DJ on pirate radio Caroline in the Sixties at first , he played a lot of Soul & Motown. Think he did some singing back in the day too.
@@SuzanneO707 Thanks. I thought it might be him, but the only thing I know about Blackburn is that he and John Peel were sworn enemies. Nice to have a voice and face to put to the name.
V@@NotoriousLightning Oh right, I didn't listen much to Tony's radio show, when I was younger but listened to Peel quite a lot.
Tony was a voice over for sugar laden Frosties cereal advert when I was kid. No lie. Lol.
Tony is still on the radio today.
I love George even more after this. I figured he'd have the best take tbh, a much smarter and more sensitive person than the other two, but when he said how much he liked the second side of 'Closer' specifically, 😍
Wham originated as a Ska band, they admitted their change was to aim for a bigger market, and that they were fully aware how ridiculous Wham was.
@davidjames579. George didn’t think the music Wham made was ridiculous. The image he did, yes. The music, especially Make It Big, he was proud of. There are some great songs on that album. Admittedly they are pure pop so if it’s not your thing you won’t like it. But I believe you don’t always have to like something to appreciate it’s still good.
When routine bites hard and ambitions are low
And resentment rides high but emotions won't grow
And we're changing our ways, taking different roads
Then love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Why is the bedroom so cold? You've turned away on your side
Is my timing that flawed? Our respect runs so dry
Yet there's still this appeal that we've kept through our lives
But love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Do you cry out in your sleep, all my failings exposed?
There's a taste in my mouth as desperation takes hold
Just that something so good, just can't function no more
But love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Then love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
I’d bet even Morrissey is jealous of those lyrics !
@@harryleighton7500 👍
Amazing lyrics.
I wish we have pop stars like this who have actual insights about things and effortless eloquence.
You wouldn’t expect George Michael to know anything about Joy Division given Wham’s image at that time, but I guess everyone in the music biz listened to each others music more than they would do today?? I know George was in a ska group called “the executive” back in 1980, but even so very different to Joy Division’s output for sure!!!!
He was a genuine musical genius open to everything
In their early days (82-'83) they hung out at places like the Language Lab in Londons SoHo, a midweek ultracool early rap/alternate night above the Nell Gwynn strip club with the likes of Boy George, Steve Strange and the new romantics etc. Joy Division was being played amongst a whole mixture of genres back then
All of these people's career started in punk music in a way or another.
That was the 80s for you. We had 3 or 4 channels and so you watch ToTP or The Tube for say the Smiths you would also be exposed to a lot of other tyypes of music like it or not. Have never watched the old 80s reruns of TOTP? They are great.
If you look to the 90s instead of the 80s you could very well imagine it. Wham was obviously dreadful but his 90s stuff is brilliant. Even the silly dance stuff (outside come to mind) from the 90s manages to be light entertainment without being stupid and that is rare.
George was a huge fan of bands like Joy Division, The Smith's and The Stone Rose's. He actually did a cover of F.E.A.R by Ian Brown which is on CZcams.
also liked guns and rose he loved civil war
"The Smith is"?
"The Stone Rose is?"
What do you think an apostrophe is actually for?
Blowing your nose on?
@@jazzhands7771 And what do you think your voice is for? You could use it so much more profitably than this, picking holes in the grammar of others.
@@jazzhands7771give it a rest grammar nazi
RIP George, a very underrated human being.
George Michael was well-spoken and honest, I enjoy his, Morrissey and Joy Division.
Respect to George Micheal. Never thought I'd write such words, but the more I hear about the fellas politics, and hear what he had to say, the more my respect grows.
Steven Patrick Morrissey didn't like book about Joy Division, because book about Joy Division said nothing about life for Steven Patrick Morrissey
Moz certainly read all the book through desperately to find is he mentioned. He was not...
@@marguskiis7711I also read the book and could find no mention of him either. Lesson learned.
I'd love to be able to tell Morrissey "Oh by the way your main musical collaborator will make as many records together with New Order's singer as he will with you."
3 electronic albums, 4 smiths. What am I missing?
@@PK-ph9ms Nothing... I misremembered and thought Electronic had made four albums. Sorry for the mistake.
@@edward8597Just edit your original comment to 'will almost make as many...'.
Wow it’s not everyday you see two legends sitting right next to each other talking about an iconic band. The smiths & joy division are my favorite bands ever. It’s so cool to see Morrissey & George hash this out ant their heights of success. Impressed.
George at 21 and so articulate, what an incredible human being...heaven sent and heaven stole 💜
The pop music version of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Joy Division have an aura about them,very deep and industrial I think.a one of a kind
That was the producer.
@@gweflj Both the band and Hannett deserve credits in my opinion. I do agree that Joy Division is dark, cold and industrial.
That was Tony Blackburn who stopped playing Siouxsie’s records because she said she didn’t listen to the radio.
I remember when Tony Blackburn hated a tune, he use to cut in and start talking about a minute before the song ended.
omg morrissey and george in one room ??? my multiverse of madness
Never liked the music of Wham! or George Michael but recently I have come to appreciate George Michael as a wonderful human being. Died too early.
he died right on time the drug addict
He had am amazing voice his latter recordings are outstanding especally albums like Older and ladies and Gentleman
I love Joy Division. Unknown Pleasures is one of my favorite albums of all time.
Credit where it's due George is an eloquent analyst
This GoGo George is so sunny and warm. He has great energy here. This must be Wham is huge everywhere years
I enjoyed this on one or two levels. The guys were asked their opinions, & they were honest in their narration. Although, this BBC show probably didn’t get a big audience, for me, it was a good watch. Sometimes the Beeb got it right without trying too much.
Gorgeous George what an icon and a all round decent human being
Chintzy tank top, dishcloth blouse, distressed Yellow tux, and Grey at C&A. This clothing clash is worthy of its own coffee-table book tribute.
We LOVE you George, wherever you are!!! 💘
I love them both. Rip George.
Interesting to see that the only person I agree with is George Micheal. There's a reason why people to this day say even in Madrid, Spain wear Joy Division t-shirts out on the street. Also dunno how good Paul Morely was at doing his research back then in the early days of his book writing.
Not only spain, USA and latin America, still wear joy division shirt.
Everything Tony Blackburn says and does from then until now sees him forever stuck in the 60s.
I remember him praising the butt of the actress that was starring in the film Breakin' which they were reviewing and both George and Morrissey looked embarrassed.Everything But The Girl watched this and cancelled their radio interview with Blackburn the next day.
@@patrickeffiom97he’s creepy
I wish podcasts were a thing back in the day. I could listen to George talk about his favorite music for hours.
A perfect reflection of George Michael and Morrisseys' true selves and if it was their interview for the job of having pints with me, there's a clear winner. And Tony can be the pleasant imparcial barman 🤝
Absolutely amazing to see the first two misapprehend the incredible originality and force of JD, and of all people, Morrissey! But pretty boy George gets it.
Listened to Transmission while mountainbiking in the forest yesterday and Joy division is so deep words wise and Ian singing 'wanted to be treated like a normal man' to do with his illness.
Morrissey has a point though that Ian's untimely passing added a lot to the legend of Joy Division and that a lot of people would NEVER have heard of them if they just carried on as a band.
NEW ORDER?
This is incorrect as they were on the precipice of touring North America before the untimely death.
If a bad point is a point, then yes - SPM had a point.
JD were composing better and better music as they went on. Seriously, listen to "Ceremony" some time.
And as preston just said, they were about to tour the USA with that material. Imagine the crowds in NYC, Boston, and Detroit suddenly hearing "Komakino" for the first time.
Different music. For different people. Thats the beauty of music/art. ❤️🔥🎼❤️🔥 🎨 🖌️ George Michael's rocks!!!!! 🤘😎🤘
How strange for people to be honest about their views and it to be televised unedited, we are missing this so much now
Oh yes, we live in much more polarised times, unfortunately.
Nothing remotely strange about it , you act like this was something groundbreaking, get over it,
George was an amazing pop song writer , the music inside him guided him to bring it to the people, he was a slave to it, to his talents and what he had to do. Always busy and creative, and gave it his all all through his life.
If he likes a tune, it's probably worth listening to
Amazing? He wrote cheesy pop music and admitted it himself, you clowns always have to overrate and claim something is " THE BESTEST THING EVERRR"
George was bright and talented, and he certainly could serve ❤❤❤
george micheal always knew what was up
George Michael would of been 21 or 22. But speaking with the maturity and intelligence of somebody way older.
something it is hard to imagine these days with the tiktokers brainwashed generation
Loved seeing George speaking so eloquently about joy divisions music. It was curious at the end of the clip, the host said ti George , lm going to stop you there. Was that because they ran out of time. I would’ve liked to see what happened after that .
Proof that George Michael has wide range of music preference and appreciation. Morissey played some kind of politics that he felt like others would be his competitors so don't need to praise them up.
Two of my favourite singers. Morrissey and George michael
Simon Lebon is also a massive JD fan. Would like to hear him interviewed too.
No
Ugh! Wanted to hear George Michael finish his thoughts! Great interview. Mind boggling to see Michael and Morrissey on the same stage -- such different sensibilities. Morrissey is such the aesthete.
Yes...1984: When Morrissey's hair was PERFECT!
George Michael is the only truth teller on this particular panel
What’s with all these comments, “wow I’m so surprised George Michael liked Joy Division and was eloquent!” ?
You know this guy wrote most of his songs, played most of the instruments on his records, and had a voice like an angel? He was the real deal, man. Of course he liked Joy Division.
Right?!! I think a lot of people think he was just a typical “beauty and no brain” pop star, who didn't write his own songs... He was so smart and talented. At least they are learning it now.
I'd say he's more talented than Morissey. Love both of their songs though.
It's almost commendable that someone can be in a room with George Michael at his peak, and still be the biggest ponce in the room. Congrats Moz
Morrisey seemed like he was working hard to appear intelligent while George just seemed so genuine and clever. Confessing he didn’t even finish the book!
What a great find in the archives ! Thank you from America !
George, the one with something interesting to say, gets cut off as we go to a quick break see you in a moment 💀
How is this possible? This is the BBC and they don't have breaks?
@@READYTEDDYBEAR a valid point
@@READYTEDDYBEAR they do they advertise their tv licensing rip off and upcoming programming.
I've heard these comments before and I always find it special how much Joy Division influenced so many musical artists during the 80s
Just read Billy Idols book,he was/is a fan.
Intelligent and honest discussion on TV, those were the days
Was he even 21 at the time? He spoke with far more eloquence and constructive criticism than either Morrissey or Blackburn whose stock response was it’s boring.
George was such a Gem. Respect and love and such a great perspective on the subject
I have to say my inital thought was "Why the f*** would you ask these three about Joy Division, Tony Blackburn!!!? Having said that George Michael analysis is so great, spot on.
George michael came across so incredibly well articulated here, and I never knew Morrissey sounds like that in person lol!
They cut him off lol George was so into it and to add you can get his drift. To speak for myself, I think I have caught his drift. I resonated with the statement he made about how it is less important to mention the death of Ian in the book and the surrounding chaos of Ian and the band. Even though that has contributed to an extent, at the end of the day, the feeling that is proposed by the music and its composition is what makes the feeling fonder of what is there to appreciate. Chaos and all the "details" matter, but perhaps, at the end of the day, the need to rewind from those details and submerge into the music makes life much more bearable.
Perhaps, that is why it is a tad bit shocking about Morr. differentiated opinion about Joy Division's music because of how perhaps, similarly both bands' music highlights the tone of expression, and what it means to not hide from it. The only difference I can personally state between the deliverance of the two frontmen songwriting is that Ian was more direct, and Morr. is more tongue-in-cheek, read between the lines, but both expressive against the opposition of what is expected to be vulnerable?
I think George hit the hammer on the nail directly about sensitivity and being able to sense the tone and what it means to resonate with that besides what is expected to be highlighted about the band's music and approach as well.
Funny, that the person who sounded the best musically appreciated their music the most. Also, I like Morrissey the way Morrissey liked Joy Division.
Most bands at that time the mid 80s had been influenced by the post punk bands of the late 70s early 80s namely Joy Division Magazine and of course Siouxsie and the Banshees. All of whom created some great pop if not dark songs. Joy Division music will live on its just superb!
@@SkyNetGeneral- Robert Smith is like a Bowie character he's taken stuff from bands like Joy Division The Banshees Siouxsie image even Elvis Costello music and ran with it . Robert Smith is one hell of a guitar player too check is work out with the Banshees on the album Hyeana.
That’s why they suck too
George Michael & Morrissey in the same studio? Wow!
England has been such a factory of wonderful music, especially the city of Manchester. I'm hard-pressed to think of other cities that have created more interesting music per capita than that place.
Liverpool is only down the road😂
@@Robster65Liverpool are famous for one band
Although Manchester is possibly the top bid, I would offer cities like Chicago (house & blues), Detroit (techno), Seattle (grunge), Nashville (country) & NYC (punk & hip hop)
Yes! British Invasion, punk, blue eyed Soul, Two Tone, Trojan, post punk, streetpunk, Oi! Ska, skiffle, and of course beasts like Motörhead, Sabbath, and whatever the hell Hawkwind was. So much great music from the English folk.
@@Robster65 They had all their great bands in one!
The interviewer did a great job in cutting and not letting them get a point across
George....a true Adonis ❤
George Michael was extremely intellectual and a very public speaker.
As a metalhead, growing up my fellow peers shamed me for listening to Wham!/George Michael and call me a poser but I would just laugh at them for their ignorance. Poor souls just didn't know. Tsk, tsk, tsk.