Martin Keown COMPARES Ange Postecoglou's transformation of Spurs to when Wenger came in to Arsenal 🤯
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Spurs fans, as a Celtic fan I cannot stress this enough - enjoy Ange while you have him. A special manager
Ange is transforming the whole team and club. Enjoy the ride, the haters will always hate.
they do and regularly hate.
More like the amused will always laugh
“Spurs need a centre forward”
Have you watched Son this season?
We’ve scored one less goal than man city so far this season.
Scoring goals is not our issue, it’s squad depth.
People are trying to push the Tottenham contenders narrative just so when we don’t get no where near they can mock us happens every year, just happy to watch my time again
Even as a Tottenham fan myself, I was nervous to live life after Harry Kane. Thank goodness for Sonny and our new signing James Maddison has stepped up and scoring the goal Harry scored. But most importantly, Ange Postecoglou deserves most credit for the surprising great start.
Totally agree. It makes me nervous that us as fans have decided the project is over and when we have one loss we will go back to our negativity. Wether we win or lose I love the football we have been playing. I'm happy but obviously nervous though. COYS!!!!!
It feels so refreshing! The cloud has lifted over us. Just imagine beating Liverpool, that would give us such a confidence boost!
Love Harry Kane but we needed to reinvent ourselves...some bloke called ferggie did that well.
6 games in, new manager bounce. You need to see them under pressure and how they handle that.
@@-The-Darkside They survived the pressure of North London Derby pretty well. Came back from behind twice, played great football and if it wasn't for Cuti forgetting which team he plays for they could have won. I'm sure the game on Saturday will be great, and even if Liverpool wins, so what? They're a great team in good form, it can happen
If Tottenham were to beat Liverpool and they aren’t considered at least outside shot title contenders it is because nobody other than Manchester City are title contenders. The fixture list after Liverpool is particularly favorable for Tottenham to stay at the top of the table until facing City in December. From there it’s a January transfer window for one final push that will also be investment into next season’s campaign that will likely have European football as well.
Nonsense hahah we’re 6 games in ffs 😂😂
COYS
No fixture is favorable in rhe EPL dint they draw with Brentford
@@koloni2862 oh yes there first game under there new managers 6 new players in starting xi 4 players making pl debut not a bad result considering all that
In my honest opinion, based on how we are defining contender as a team with a chance to win the title, no one outside of Man City are contenders. Man City is winning the league. Everyone else is fighting for second place so I guess 2nd place contenders is more fitting.
I love to see Toney at Tottenham in January.
Probably not gonna happen. Unfortunately the gooners look like they’re taking him. It’s going to be interesting to see who we pursue in the Jan window tho
Son is the cf now. Kvaratskhelia i'd love.
@@lilbaz8732u would need to be in champions league for him and you don’t spend 100mil on players
@@Mark-99999 why £100m? If it was utd or chelsea they might get ripped off. szoboszlai or nkunku didn't cost that.
Is he a high pressing striker ? If not Ange won't take him.
As much as Totteham weren't playing well before the main issue was conceding too many goals. They were scoring. Their games had the most goals. There's just a better balance now.
Just need to cut out the own goals and penalties.
As a spurs fan we ain’t got the depth for a title challenge good first 11 couple injuries and we’re fucked
Your not in any other competitions though
@@punkrocker6431 yeah but nobody’s starting 11 stays fit the whole season we don’t have players that can come in and do madders role if he gets injured or if a CB gets injured we’re back with Eric dier
@@sossaa2962 you only need them fit until January, bring in some cover then possibly
Evening though I'm a big fan of ange it's too early to call them title contenders
Next it's time to build squad depth in the coming transfer windows. The first eleven with the return of Bentancur will be quite amazing
Spurs are not winning the title, but my god they are a joy to watch and very likeable. Dramatic transformation.
Agree we are not winning the title. You just have to watch ten minutes of a man city game to know that.
I think we could push for top 5 if injuries don’t muck us up before the January transfer window.
@@zcameron_Bentancur’s return will be like a new signing too. He’ll bring them to another level.
@@dannyhodorowski5847 excited for him to return, another month at least though and he might take some time to get his form
"It was me who said that, so yes I do beleive that".....😅😅😅
My only fear as a Spurs fan is as soon as we start playing well and putting a few good results together and people start thinking were the real deal, we tend to fall apart. Jose and Conte both started fairly well and look how that went.
I predict we will start losing games around Christmas and going downhill from there. 8th place or something like that.
@@bardo0007at celtic we only started to get tired around march/April. Since spurs have no European football or league cup you guys should be alright
@@punkrocker6431 And didn't Ange also have a quite shaky start to his tenure at Celtic? It's not usual for him to play so well from the get go. I think his time at Tottenham can be like nothing else in his career
@@zosiazaremba7479 yes he had to rebuild an entire new team with celtic after the season already started, so we were a bit shaky for a few weeks. At spurs he's had a good preseason and got his men in early, plus the quality he's got now is like nothing he's ever had before. I still expect Liverpool to win tomorrow though they won't miss the chances united and arsenal did
I think you will see the difference with big Ange. He never stops and neither do his teams.
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
The day Ange was announced to leave Celtic for spurs, I knew Kane was leaving and they would play better. I also claimed Richarlison will thrive under him aswell, hopefully for spurs that comes true .. if not and they somehow can get Toney… top 2 this season behind city. Ange is the best manager to leave Scotland after Sir Alex, and he’s going to do to spurs what De Zerbi has done with Brighton.
They're not getting top 2 this year unless they have no injuries. Below the 1st 11 there is a pretty big drop off in most positions.
You got the results for the weekend mate I need an acca making
@@kevinb9830The shallow squad is the issue for this season. Whatever happens this season, watch out next season. Just repeating known history. ✅
The early signs and results are good but let's not get ahead of ourselves. COYS.
top job lads keep it up
As a Tottenham fan I think Liverpool will probably nick it...I hope I'm wrong of course. Whatever happens, it's got all the hallmarks of a great game.
Agreed.
As a Spurs fan, I also think Liverpool will win due to more attacking options and big-game experience.
As always…it’s way to early to make transformational statements but I still love it 😆
Excellent discussion
What if Sonny scores 25 goals. He is on 5 already
Exactly. What I have been saying all along... Ange is the new Arsene !
There's only one ange postecoglou 🇦🇺 🪃
Reason why we aren’t contenders is because we do t have enough depth of squad and one injury away from disaster
not yet....you will. Ange has signed some great youngsters as im sure you already know.
You aren't contenders because you're Spurs. Big Spursy Spurs.
@@sratusgreat mature comment 🙄
@@djpeekay25it’s the unfortunate truth of spurs
@@Mark-99999 well at least Spurs are not the biggest bottlers in history like their north london neighbours
Still think they're a couple of injuries away from a big slide, but they do have a good 1st 11.
Son can scord 25 playing down the middle.
Solid and consistent defence massively helps
6 games have been played this season. People need to chill out a bit
6 games you can tell how a team is gonna play and kane gone spurs do look better without him
I now, it's hilarious how even the media are wetting themselves just because Spurs have started to to turn a corner.
Still want all the spurs fans that had the no ange campaign because he was coming from spfl. Raise your hands up and say you think you got it wrong
Is no-one going to comment on how Spurs have scored at MINIMUM 2 goals in EVERY SINGLE GAME since Ange took over? (if you include the penalties against Fulham).
That's 2 goals against Barcelona (away), Man Utd (home), Arsenal (away) and Liverpool (home).
I'm a Liverpool fan and I'm highly concerned about this game. They've leaked so many chances recently but the teams they've played haven't had the quality to put them away. Son and Maddison are 5 star quality. If they play like they played against Wolves and West Ham they could easily let in 4 goals.
Spurs have also leaked plenty of chances from the start of the season should be a really good game if Maddison and Son are fit to play
Everyone has been saying that, but we're still waiting for it to happen.
Liverpool at home will be a bigger test than what arsenal away turned out to be. We are not title contenders, getting back into the top 6 is the aim top 4 would be a great season.
i think Spurs are a lock for top 4. One game a week all season. City & Liverpool might finish ahead of them. No reason why they can't finish above Arsenal. Chelsea & United are nowhere.
Still early... although he reminds me of Klopps early Liverpool and how it galvanized the club playing football the fans want to watch, Liverpool fans towards the end of Rodgers was depressing missing out time and time again... Suarez left (Just like kane) the tweeks will come in time for Tottenham think Madison has a impact that Lallana had early on... Moneys on Liverpool for this one but Tottenham have a punchers chance (like Klopps early Liverpool) should be a great game Saturday!
Goals aren't an issue. I think Son will get around 25 this season. He's already 25% there. He's the man Simon says we don't hsve.
I don't fear any other teams with our starting 11, to be honest. They might lose at some stage in a bad way, but there's so much insane talent in there amd kost ofnthem are 20-25 years old.
It's the depth that worries me. We need to get to January without one of maybe 6 players getting injured. I cant see a title challenge, but I'm a dreamer all the same.
Keep dreaming my friend and one day you'll wake up and big Ange will take to the promised land...I'm a Celtic fan but I believe he's gonna crack it down there with you guys. Good luck 👍
I thin Richarlison will come good also..
Postecoglu is better than Wenger. Telling you now. Im a Celtic fan, Spurs fans dont yet know the magic this man produces
Id like ivan toney at spurs
The Toney story will be an intriguing one. Pundits are saying Tottenham should go out and buy him, forgetting that Arsenal are also in the market for a striker.
And Chelsea
We ain't title contenders yet. But we're playing good football for sure. Hopefully we get inside top 4 or 6.
It’s all about squad depth this year because the way referees are handing out yellow cards a lot of players are going to be banned and not be available to play
They be lucky for top 4 then
Really enjoy Martin on the show
Yes Tony would be a great addition to the Spurs squad without doubt.
as a united fan it pains me to see Maddison doing so well why oh why didn't we get him :/ i would take him over Mount all day long. I think Spurs for 20 minutes were unplayable and if they get Toney in i think they can only get better.
Same way it pained you that Conte won a few games when he started and every pundit was banging on about how ManU should have got him.
@@chookz no never wanted Conte i didn't want Ten Hag either tbf in my view we settled for him
The truth is that Simon is right not title contenders but they are skipping before they run and this squad of players are not title contenders on that basis but given Ange time to bring in players potentially YES!
Tottenham are on a good run of form, but that can quickly crumble if they lose key players such as Maddison, Son or Bissouma.
Same as any other team then?
I agree with you 💯 that their depth isn't deep enough to sustain injuries. That's where they'll struggle.
If the sky was blue then it must be Green
Until that happens it’s irrelevant to discussion and frankly since they are out of the league cup it shouldn’t be too much of a concern until January when the club can reinforce the roster.
@enhanced8812 City is winning without De Bruyne, so no.
great fred perry sweater
I know this is crazy but he kind of looks like Newcastle when Eddie Howe got in there for a bit. Spurs will have a good season this year I bet.
You forget one thing!! We have a New team now! Vicario, Micky, Destiny, Maddison, Solomon, Johnson
First time Keown has actually made an intelligent assessment. I actually thought the same thing after seeing Spurs playing the first 3 games.
Ivan Toney to spurs is a must, Ang is great but let’s keep our feet firmly on the floor, small steps, top 5 this year, city, Liverpool, Arsenal are all ahead at the moment, then Chelsea and Utd must wake up at some stage, then Brighton always look good, so in that group I’d say, hey but who knows
I would bet on Toney not coming to N17!
A little confused. They have a centre forward "Son" who has scored 6 goals in 7 games. Haaland has scored 8 but his service is second to none. Keown's opinion is on point.
Tottenham have been surprisingly outstanding. Arguably should have won their drawn games. With Bentancur back in the side who’s a tad better than Sarr (who’s been playing out of his skin) spurs could stay in the top for all season.
There's no point gooners getting shirty about the Wenger comparison. He came in and totally changed every aspect of Arsenal. Regardless of what he won and what Ange may or may not win, the changes at Spurs are as big as those at Arsenal.
The style. The team spirit. The way the fans have re-bonded with the team. Everything about Spurs looks, feels, smells and tastes different to the last 5 years.
Comparing Ange to Wenger is ridiculous. The tactics and details involved in the game now is far superior to Wenger's days when all they had to do was beat Man Utd to win the title. The rest of the teams back in those days just made up the numbers to call it a league.
So many thick people watch Talksport. Hes not comparing Wenger to Ange directly, hes comparing the turnaround in the club and the feeling around it.
I’m fairness Wenger was ahead of his time at a time when English players didn’t live professionally
you must be an expert who knows more than Keown.
I thought me knowing more than Keown was obvious. What does he know ? All he's good for is kicking a ball. Does he have university degrees like I do ?? He's a ball kicker with a microphone so all of a sudden sheep like you give him more status.@@bigpants6121
G'day, a little late with my contribution and found the hypothising interesting. Of course we all tend to have our own thoughts, opinions and ideas.
Mine are quite simple to say, but not so simple to achieve and that is: As a long time follower of Ange in Australia and at Celtic (I missed his time in Japan), Ange NEVER talks about losing or drawing a game. Some say it's an achievement for a visiting team to draw at an away game, for example.
Not Ange. He has only one objective. You guessed it - it's to WIN!
His teams Never Stop!
Just do some research about Ange at the Socceroos, South Melbourne, Brisbane Roar, Celtic, and Yokohame F Mariners.
Except for the Socceroos, he was a SERIAL WINNER!!!
Please don't tell me "Oh, but our Premier League is way tougher than anything Ange has played/coached in." So?
6 out 38 and we already talking about title contenders and transform
Let Simon talk.
They said Gross was thw new Wenger lol
Tottenham needs squad depth. That's how they can even compete in the top 3
martin keown humming a very different tune from when they first signed ange isn't he.
It’s way too early yet, but I hope it’s the beginning!
11 players make a team not 1
Easy boy.....early days......Ange is doing a good job but it isn't Wengeresque yet......if Spurs are top four in the last week I will agree.....
In perpetuity is Simon's favourite word
as a Spurs fan.. i like listening to Keown. He makes sense for a gooner
5:12 costepoglou
Costepoglou costing Tottenham the chance to win anything
I think it's a lazy comparison because both managers came from Japan into a North London club and they play attacking football
It's not rocket science, if Spurs keep Salah quiet, they win, if not, they lose.
more to it than that.
Lets not get carried away. Had the var not helped us we would not be so high in the league even 3 points lower.
If 6 games don’t matter in the context of analysis, then I guess Chelsea are fine then? 😂
Great point
That's what happens when you bring in a proper manager Ange had Celtic playing some beautiful football
Ivan Toney, Victor Boniface/Gift Orban. maybe we cld get osimhen now his club have hated him.
Matin k is absolutely right as aways
We have an outside chance ! Lets talk about this in april
They've only played 6 league games.
I like Ange’s vibe. But for sure Spurs have a lot to show yet. It’s only the beginning of the season. They’re still too fragile. It’s gonna take time
To say they are fragile is unfair. They have responded stoutly after falling behind at every time of asking… They seem to be building a new DNA.
Conte = Top Down // Ange = We are Family
So if Postecoglou is the new Wenger than Arteta is becoming the new Tinkerman aka Ranieri!
Ange is more Di Matteo than Wenger. At this stage at least.
6:10 you say that about macalister but not about Bruno fernandes these ‘pundits’ are like the media as a whole see what they want to see
its 5 or 6 games goodness me
I think Son is a better center forward than Tony, don't think they need to get a new one in at all. No Kane has freed Son up to thrive at cf.
It’s not even been halfway through the Season what are you talking about ?
Well said 👏🏿👏🏾
The fact is the majority of the squad were their already. Sarr and Bissouma have not just become decent, the problem was levy brining in Jose and Conte. However to think this is a Wenger moment.... er wake up. Conte and Jose both had great starts aw well
U don't get it it's bout the style of play more than anything, it's exciting and thats the one thing even all the shitty pundits agree on.
@@seanbayley7452 no when talking about Wenger it was a million miles away. He had to bring a number of players, the fact is most of our players fit a more expansive system. The problem is the managers didn't.
That was how you guys were so fast to talk about Conte in the beginning of last season.
No Spurs fan was saying anything like this
That is rubbish, the fans hated the football all the way through last season despite early results, this is completely different
@@richardconte3837 okay
Isnt this the same Martin that said spurs should of sacked Conte
I think everyone is going a tad over the top about spurs apart from arsenal away who really have they played!!! Even utd who have been awful could and should have got something at their place, honestly think liverpool win this game quite comfortably
I think they need to calm down with Ange. If they start losing they will be calling for his head.
Give him a few more months then start heaping all this praise.
Wtf with Bissouma last year. Was Cunte actually sabotaging Spurs out of spite?
Ivan Toney for SPURS ❤❤
Wenger changed everything and the rest followed.
Annoying to think Martin dissed Ange from the start!
He wasn't the first to write Ange off, familiar story.
Stay strapped in for the ride..!!
Best Cheers
When Wenger came to Arsenal there was just Utd. There weren't the oil clubs like today. Top 4 is a great result if Spurs can get in there again. Nowhere near winning the league
Dont be silly. Its only a handful of games
What do refs want? No more 50/50s?
I don’t get it, it’s a 50/50 with another player, nowadays it’s becoming 50/50 wether you get booked or sent off for having one. They are filtering the game down and it’s ridiculous
He says Liverpool concede to many goals so he thinks spurs will win but spurs have conceded 2 more goals than Liverpool. 😂😂😂😂
Toney but not for over £65m
I think the Tottenham media train need to put on some breaks. Remember, this is Spurs you're talking about 🤦♂️
I want whatever Martin is smoking, the biggest changes is no more Harry Kane just up on top killing the plays, he is gone now the rest of the guys can express more. Kane was injured for most of their champions league campaign when they reached the finals, as he came out fit for the finals, lost to liverpool
I predict 2-1 tottenham and Liverpool cry like babies because they're the only club EVER to have a decision go against tjem
6 games btw
Oh Arsenal, how the mighty have fallen