What Happens When Russia Leaves The ISS?
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The International Space Station is one of our finest pieces of collaborative engineering, but after Russia announced that it will be leaving the space station in 2024, it raised a number of questions. What happens when Russia leaves the ISS? How would Russia's departure affect the ISS program? How would that even be possible? This video looks at what Russia brings to the table and how the ISS would (or wouldn’t) function if they left.
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00:00 What is the International Space Station?
00:48 Russia's Plan to Leave the ISS
01:00 Who is Dmitry Rogozin?
01:31 Who is Yuri Borisov?
02:02 Why is Russia Leaving the ISS?
02:37 What is Radiation Hardening?
03:33 Russia's Role on the International Space Station
04:42 What Happens When Russia Leaves The ISS?
05:46 Will Russia Launch Their Own Space Station?
06:08 Plans for the Russian Orbital Service Station (ROSS)
06:59 Will Russia Leave the ISS?
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Nice Video @Primal Space , keep it up!
I think the ISS might be retired in the 2070s
Or maybe the 2030s, cuz we'll soon have The Gateway in orbit considering that Artemis I is ready for launch. I request a video on the Artemis mission, PLEEEEASEEEEE
NASA said that it will be destroyed in 2031
@@GeodMappingoh yeah I just remember now
The cosmonauts spend more time fixing ISS than on experiments. I've had vehicles like that. I'm not joking. Eventually, some breakdown is the killer.
We call them lemon vehicles
MIR even had fires on board and that station was younger than ISS when that happened.
Bonus points if owner can easily afford new vehicle, but for them the process of figuring out why this rust bucket won't work is fun in itself
they were nissan by any chance? 🤣🤣
@@Poctyk How about instead of 'fun' we focus on what's useful for a space station to do? Given, you know, wvery year Congress tries to slash space funding further
kinda hard to think it has to go, being born in the 21 century ive grown up with the fact the iss is orbiting around earth, it having to go is kinda tragic
Not sure why it would have to go, they could just replace modules.
@@kdrapertrucker it’s kinda like replacing the parts of an old car, at one point it’s cheaper to buy a new, better car than to invest in the old one.
@@voicai7910 It would end up being like the ship of Theseus at that point
Museum not an option i presume
@@daanvos194 Well it's not really worth trying to bring it back down safel]y, it would probably cost more than it took to put it in space in the first place.
So they have a dead laptop museum up there. Now that's interesting.
Sounds like one of Tom Scott's episodes.
Sounds fishy why wouldn't they just get a small stock of dead laptops like 10 and just egress for an ocean burn up , no way those are making it to the ground
they are all pretty much teh same type of current laptop. they last ~30days before failing.
@@SoloRenegade Wow, If that number is true, I am surprised, I had expected the hardware to last a littel longer, like three months. 30 days is nuts, but just goes to show that space really is hostile. Veritasium made a video about computers and space radiation.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Yes, and so did Scott Manley. But they both missed the part where HPE has put new computers on the ISS and had them survive for years unhardened (been doing it since 2017).
Off-the-shelf computers are expected to last no more than 30days on average, that's why they have so many laptops on teh station. They only use a handful at a time, and swap them out as they go bad. They have to make sure they have enough computers to last them between resupplies.
Well technically, russians will leave ISS after 2024. It is fairly clear that ISS cannot remain up there forever, so sooner or later everyone will have to leave it. It's just that we don't know if it will be in 2028 or even after that. So the only information that statement gives is that they won't leave it before 2024.
I think they’ll “leave” when the ISS is officially decommissioned by all parties. They simply have way to much invested into the project. Russia couldn’t operate a station by itself in the present day anyway, their economy is smaller than Texas. They could get help from China but they’re busy with tian-gong (however you spell it). All of the space station parts couldn’t operate independently anyway.
It would be nice if it had been planned to use it as hote/base for the beginning of construction of it's replacement. Then some still functional equipment could cheaply be moved over w/o having to have it all burn up when the ISS gets retired.
@@ferrariguy8278 I don't think that's even remotely possible.
@@mstitek7679 Possibly not now... not enough time left to plan, but it would have made sense... and I guess would depend on the reusability and replacement cost from end to end of some of the equipment (like microscopes etc) that will otherwise burn up.
@@ferrariguy8278 That's not a planning or technology issue. Unless you're planning to build the new station at exactly the same location as ISS, the cost of changing the orbital parameters is extremely high. It's much simpler to get equipment and people directly from Earth.
Given that Russia and the US both already have plans for their own space stations after the ISS and will be beginning construction in the next few years with Russia and China likely collaborating while the US collaborates with ESA, CSA, and JAXA, I can't imagine the ISS living beyond the end of the decade. NASA has been treating LOPG as the next-gen space station, succeeding the ISS (even though it will be significantly smaller... Though it will at least be in Lunar orbit lol).
Axiom is already building modules for a commercial station and the first module is planned to be attached to the ISS. Once all the modules are completed and in orbit, the Axiom station will detach from the ISS to be the first commercial space station. NASA is funding research on other commercial space stations, so the plan appears to be to buy time on the commercial space stations in LEO for their experiments.
Also look at the artist renditions of LOPG next to starship its hilarious.
@@TheFirebird123456 YEAH it's insane haha. Starship probably offering a similar habitable volume to LOPG
@@AlexSchendel although, it can’t sustain as longer since starship isn’t designed to be a space station. It’s designed to be a spaceship
I don’t see Russia “collaborating” with anyone in near future and their threats about leaving ISS are purely for propaganda.
They won’t leave until kicked out or until they ruin it.
I've always appreciated that, despite our differences on the ground, the US and Russia have maintained a stable working relationship in space. I hope that, come what may, it can somehow endure.
"Our governments are enemies, Dr. Floyd. We are not."
-Dr. Moisevitch, "2010: The Year We Make Contact" (the film is about a joint US-Soviet mission to Jupiter)
Yeah, Roscosmos has always been quite independent of the Russian government.
@@VestedUTuber Sadly, not anymore... and it's got worse for that.
threatening each other with n ukes for decades: i sleep
moving to secure a warm water port: real sh it!
Whose the captain of the Washington Capitals? I rest my case
Even back in the 60s during the height of the space race, the US astronauts and Soviet cosmonauts had immense respect for one another. You can see this clear as day in the videos of the Appollo-Soyuz missions when the astronauts first enter and are shaking hands with the cosmonauts on-board, smiling ear to ear. They also held eulogies when the other side had astronaut or cosmonaut deaths.
It'll be a shame when the iss is no longer operational but I'm glad it's getting replaced by something by both agencies
Why glad?
@@BojanBojovic soething new
@@vaisakhkm783 That is ok, but our species should cooperate not enter another cold war.
@@BojanBojovic another space race means another giant leap in space tech development
@@_apsis True.
Hopefully Russia and U.S. can work together to build a new, more modern and technologically advanced space station to replace the ISS. Sadly the chances of that happening are extremely slim, with all this hatred for Russia.
We can only hope that one day the people vote out the air heads on top and hurt the true company's behind them.
What are you talking about? Nobody “hates” Russia, we hate Владимир Владимирович Путин.
Fuk politics, we want space science
Not happening, they are already working with China to built a moon base.
@@molybdaen11 Good luck voting out putin...
Amusingly, back during the early-1980's when this all began as the proposed "Freedom" space station, one of the major promises was that it would be a "permanent" space station. That, much like the entire space shuttle program, was overly-optimistic to put it mildly. As were estimates as to the cost, which started out at ~$10B (the final cost is closer to $150B). A large part of why we needed the Russians were the payload limits of the space shuttles and the simple problem that the shuttles were not designed to be kept in orbit for months at a time. Since the U.S. was no longer flying any kind of space capsules, we needed the Russian Soyuz. This was because an on-station escape vehicle would be needed in case astronauts/cosmonauts had to evacuate in a hurry (e.g. as in the case of a collision). Nowadays, we're more used to the idea of technology becoming obsolete very rapidly.
Fake news, you lie all the time bozo
Yet trillions is spent on war instead of exploration.
The US had plans for a ‘life boat’ module that would have served as an escape capsule without needing the Space Shuttle to be docked. With the partnership with Russia and now the availability of commercial spacecraft the life boat capsule was never necessary.
@@Hibbidyhai - There were also "plans" for a high-orbit vehicle that would be hangered at the space station and used to service satellites in orbits the shuttles couldn't reach (i.e. most of them). I remember it well because it was included on a model kit for the original Freedom Space Station that I built during the 80's. But it was never funded, just as the "life boat" wasn't. Partly because, especially after the Challenger disaster , NASA didn't want to confess to Congress just how many use cases the shuttles *couldn't* fulfill. Then the Soviet Union fell and everybody was hoping that Russia would suddenly become a friendly nation (not unlike how the GOP does today) and so it was deemed politically beneficial to partner with them. But that killed the sense of urgency for developing a replacement vehicle for getting astronauts to and from the ISS.
The co-operation of several countries and their expertise has been vital to the success of ISS.
ISS was an icon of hope. Sad to see it go. Dmitry is a good example of how not to appoint a political crony to head Roscosmos.
It should have been replace by another cooperation between former enemies, but we all know why this can't be.
They had to finally meet us( USA) on equal footing so...
It's not gone yet.
If you look at the ISS altitude graph you see there are minor boosts much more frequently than would be needed by atmospheric drag alone. Many of the boosts are due to orbital adjustments to avoid collisions. Low-earth orbit is getting crowded with both satellites and the space debris their boosters leave behind.
What's sad about that is that it would be cool to get some economies of scale going with a space station big enough to afford luxuries and redundancies like more thrusters and maybe a faraday cage to protect electronics. A huge space station bigger than the ISS would be nice, it's somewhat disappointing all the projects right now are tiny and boring in comparison to something 30 years old.
The iss is the largest space station ever.
Let’s ignore political, economic and equality problems, and just give those rich people yet another way to spend their stupendous amount of money!
@@tonk4487 At least that money pile is circulating if that happens, even at a pathetic rate.
I mean the problem is that the ISS cost $150 Billion USD...
@@XTreme-ko9dw And the US spends more than 4x that amount on the military every year, there's enough money but not enough incentive
Engineers, pilots, technical people, gear heads can work together, its politicians and bureaucrats that can't seem to make it through a career without starting a war.
US has been non stop at war to fund it's military regime around the world. France is not much different when it comes to enslaving Africa
these people are politician soldiers. Russians - psycho terrorists
@@jaskojasko8744 is this how you show your level of infantile ignorance?
@@rrmackay how stupid you must be? They are servants of genonicdal regime. Ruthless killers. I'm from Poland and we know them well...
@@jaskojasko8744 Russians won WW2, stopped the Nazi war machine and never dropped a nuclear weapon civilians, the USA is the largest terrorist nation on the planet. Get a clue and stop trying to sell your propaganda
When I first read about ISS, it felt so good that two competing Superpower nations came together for the development of space science and humanity. All good and bad things have a beginning and end but it is surreal they worked together and as a neutral citizen of the world, I would still love them to be together. They have the best resources and knowledge. ISS may not last long but history will tell that it was the best thing to come out from humanity.
I got interested in Space after I worked at the ISHF in Alamogordo, New Mexico back in the late 70's. I worked with Col. Stapp, the fastest human. While there, I was learning about the futuristic Space Shuttle. How the shuttle was going to change how we saw space travel. This painting reminds me of that time, the optimistic views I had of future space travel. Kinda the same feelings I have now, the future of traveling to Mars.
So glad to "see" the narator is back , just as a suggestion , the funny bits in between don't really go well with the nice posh voice, he gives the videos a different vibe that doesn't match with the comedy...even tho those parts were really funny. :)
I watched the ISS being put together in segment in science class in junior high,...if one thing a lot of ppl will shed a tear or two once the station is no more , sure new ones will take its place but no matter how new & tech savvy the new station will be ISS proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that despite political bickering, or what I call "all for show posturing" one thing regardless stays constant & that it is better to do this kind of thing openly with many different countries participating because in the long run we have to all get along, because being tolerant isn't the same thing as being open to another observers' valuable insight and being in a place where your very life could hinge on how you interact in a small contained finite space with finite options available should an emergency arise. I'm amazed it's lasted as long as it has, you know what i mean.
Totally agree with your views.
Cool video, lot's of information. But curious to see/find out where you found the ''computers from '88'' info because I wanted to look into it but can't find anything online.
The ISS was launched in 1998 but construction technically began in 1986. That may sound a little odd, but the ISS is essentially the Mir-2 space station plus addition modules bolted on by the countries who paid for the station after Russia/USSR went bankrupt and couldn't afford to launch it, as a result many of the core ISS components are over 30 years old (This is why the Russian section looks so ancient/dilaphidated).
Can't wait for the new generation of sci-fi movies both A+ and B-grade where the new space station is in lunar orbit and the challenges faced due to the incredibly longer distance from Earth's atmosphere.
My dad was in the Air Force in the 60s and 70s and he taught me about the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs. From there on, my interest in space grew, and I continued to study it through my school years, including doing experiments for school contests.
What about cold welding?
Wouldn't the russian segment basically be "glued" to the coupling ring?
IIRC a few years ago there was experimental detachment of some section after it was attached for 20 years. It worked as intended
When designing the docking/berthing ports, extreme care is taken to ensure that no two pieces of the same alloy will be touching each other
The Russians can leave if they want to leave, but they would have to give up the house.
@@Poctykwell, it was the Pirs segment, and it was replaced by something else that I forgot the name of
Learned a lot of stuff. Thank you
Of course we humans brought our relatively petty issues into space. But, competition has proven to be good for advancements in space exploration. If they want to leave, so be it!
They announced this intent, years ago. Its just now 'news', for the propaganda value.
We humans? I thought this was The Planet of the Apes?
"competition has proven to be good for advancements in space exploration"
Yeah, you know, Apollo 13's air filters issue when they needed a round air filter but they had only square ones in another part of module. Because those filters was made by two different companies in two different ways. Yeah, very "good for advancements".
And, you know, how cooperation is very bad for space exploration, for example, cooperation in making an international space station or cooperation in far-space programs, or, maybe, cooperation in making better satellites. Of course its a shit, its not competitive! Pffft!
@@Andrey_Gysev exactly
@@Andrey_Gysevalso, cooperation is great for keeping things some way, but if you want any drive to be better, you need competition. I mean, this past decade has barely had any advancements in space
Welcome back Beau! I absolute love your duo; script + voice. Please do keep it up, but good on you for trying something different!
He didn't cover all of the international flags, India's flag was left untouched .
I like how the west tries to frame that the world is united against Russia when it couldn't be further from the truth. China, India, Africa aren't sanctioning Russia
India is an ally to russia.
That’s probably because the topic wasn’t super relevant to the topic (as the meaning behind it was that a Russia was pissing off most people); however, the issue is actually quite nuanced and fairly interesting. India has sent relief efforts to Ukraine, but has not condemned Russia for its invasion since it doesn’t really trust the West (which is somewhat fair given its colonial past) and still relies on Russian fossil fuels (which is also fair, because you need power somehow, and it’ll take years or decades to switch). On the other hand, India isn’t exactly supporting Russia, as they’re staying fairly neutral in the whole thing.
@@justinblin 👍 accurate analysis
@@justinblin everything is simple. India is a friendly country. Flags that was covered was flags of unfriendly countries (US, Japan, etc.)
It is important that no matter what happens on earth. We all work together to further our studies of space and space station engineering. Humanity must prevail
Why did you show a Soyuz on the way to the pad when what they launched was a Proton?
1:30 - 1:40 Russia should have gone its separate ways long ago, and build its space station, like China did.
make donald trump a president, and maybe both country will shakehand again and humanity join hand at iss will keep our dream live on, eversince biden take office, war break out like hell there
@@billykulim5202 Yeah that’s what it is. Cause Trumps not in office. Not like Russia and America havent been at each others throats for decades. Heard of the Cold War there Billy Bob?
@@billykulim5202hell no, the Ukraine stuff was already brewing long before Biden took office, now I'm not saying that he's good, but I'm also not saying that trump is good either. It's not all black and white in politics (or I guess red and blue)
let's hope the miracle in orbit will keep orbiting with all partners on board.Designing the successor of the ISS in 2028 is for another video.
I don't get why is this so hard to get working electronics. Isn't that possible to have an isolated module where you could put, use, and store sensitive equipment ? I know that's expensive, probably way more than just shipping regularly, but this is still strange to me.
They didn't say exactly how, but they said radiation is a problem.
What a twist. I would have never expected that meme from 1:47 from your channel.
The funding of ISS from US is also going to end in 2024 and there were talks of allowing private funding and allowing private tours and experiments there
They are going to build "Gateway" so I just thought why not use the ISS for parts!
Very cool graphics. Great vid. !!
Im fairly sure they have to fire thrusters twice? Rise one part of orbit and once they are near apogee, fire it second time, to rise "other side" ?
Good video
The Russians have been talking about what they're going to do with their modules for years now, the timing of the announcement might have been political but the plan wasn't. Not anywhere near new politics at least.
There were more than two bathrooms (5:11) on the station at the time this video was made, the UWMS toilet arrived at the ISS on CRS-14 on Oct. 5, 2020. You can see all three active toilets in Thomas Pasquet’s tour of the ISS (recorded in Oct. 2021), two of which are in the US segment, in Node 3:
czcams.com/video/XTTLeuCWIAA/video.html
There are so many things completely wrong with this video...
1. "America and Russia grew the ISS" and yet most of the modules were build by Europe.
2. There aren't hundreds defunct laptops on the ISS, there would be no reason to keep them up there, especially that volume is limited. They would be brought back on Dragon (eg. for inspection) or put on Progress/Cygnus/HTV to burn up in the atmosphere.
3. It's no true that thrusters on the Russian segment are used so often. In fact they are almost never used, because they have very limited lifespan. What actually happens is that a spacecraft docked to Zvezda (usually Progress but earlier it was also done by European ATV resupply crafts) is firing engines.
4. It's not true that there is no other way of reboosting the station. Since a docked spacecraft like Progress or ATV can do it, why can't another one? It can. Cygnus was even tested for such thing. The only inconvenience is that it requires flipping ISS 180 degrees.
5. The real issue with Russian segment is that it contains other critical components like life support and navigation computers.
6. It's not true that separated Russian segment would have no power. Zarya, Zvezda na Nauka are all complete spacecraft, they have their own power systems, thrusters and attitude control. While attached to the ISS their solar arrays are retracted to avoid any collision risks when docking.
The bias towards Russia and assumption everything they do is nefarious could possibly be why they no longer want to collaborate?
the thing is that tech has come so far, and were in that incline issue where tech is harder to expand now, as were at... what? 1NM sized chiplets? anything smaller is difficult. So, its at a point where putting up a new ISS, NOW in the middle of Elon doing his thing, would help bump the space age alot.
It will never happen mara sorry
So delusional
@@2n974 get ratio'd
He is right, it takes more time fixing things than to do some meaningful task up there, I hope yall can understand this!
How you make it to make all your videos so entretaining and interesting? Amazing videos you make.
welcome back to a familiar voice. ♥️
Would you do a vid on Buran Energia? SpaceX was not the first to land rockets, but there is so little information, how Energia made it.
Wait wait wait, wasn't that the Kerbal Space Program music running in the background?!
I believe that it is copyrightless music as more than KSP has used it.
is that ksp music in the background?
*uses light years as a measure of time *
Me and my brain: (cringes out if existences)
2028? It took the Russians 14 years to deliver the most recent module they added to the ISS, and that was working from pre-existing flight spares. I kind of doubt that with current sanctions and the need to use whatever chips and whatnot they can smuggle in to replace all the tanks, planes, and missiles they're expending in Ukraine they're going to be building space station components any faster. The real reason they want to bail on the ISS is that Roscosmos can't afford to send crews to it anymore unless someone else is footing the bill.
If the Russian government says that they will do something, then they are going to do the exact opposite. If they accuse you of something, it is because that is what they are doing secretly. If they demand that you do something, then it is in your best interest to do anything but that thing.
Sometimes it is better to just build a new thing than to fix what you already have. The only thing why it took so long was storage and documentation history. All modules except Nauka were made in time without delays.
An anomaly occured. Not like they ever missed a Soyuz or Progress launch window because the LV wasn’t ready
ahaahahaha idiot
2:29 How does the snap-on truck get up there?
Yes I think it's a good thing how to proceed in the future, but I hope the professionals work together and build a new collaborated station these would help futur reserche to be conduited together and bring us hopefully forward faster
Love the KSP music
I know right
Yes I was thinking the same thing
01:15
No, all except the Indian tricolour.
i just wish we had some way to preserve the iss after we leave it instead of burning it up in the atmosphere
I feel like you're not giving the thinkpad enough credit. Some of them are the thinkpad T61p from 2007 like at 3:05 but also some of them are thinkpad A31p from 2003, like the one at 2:58. That means its a laptop that's over 20 years old and still working, something modern macbooks would never achieve.
Never thought I'd see the day we have 3 space stations around the Earth
And maybe 1 around the moon as well if it doesn’t delay
Too bad the Chinese one is more for military purposes than the good of the people down on the ground.
@@tylernorby4939 I don’t think they do anything for the good of the people. Hell, half of the rockets they launch carry spy satellites. Oh wait I’m sorry, I meant “agricultural and urban development imaging”.
@@tylernorby4939 lol yanks blabbering on about military purposes when everything they build is for the military. Just shut your mouth you yankee hypocrite. The world is moving away from the U.S.
You haven't seen that day yet.
Not every MacBook survive it's first year here on Earth lmao. Intentionally designed as shit. Ask any repair guy who makes living on it. Imagine having additional particles go through ISL6259 up there in orbit
I'm a "repair guy" and you talk bullshit
Macbooks will outlast every pos pc 😂
@@PresidentEvil well, that counts, lmao
@@PresidentEvil my Mac didn’t even last 3 years without severe problems 😂
@@Platinum199 sucks to suck
Wonder what is cheapest, sending up a part to replace the Russian part or sending up a whole new space station.
Space programs are about politics. The biggest mistake in the ISS program as a whole, was the exclusion of the Chinese but of course, that's the view point if you are science-focused.
Perhaps the ISS is outdated. Perhaps it is worth making the central part of the station, to which all other stations could quickly dock. A kind of "handshake", in the name of peace and in case of force majeure. But this issue should be supervised by an organization such as the UN or the new organization "Galactic Council" 😃 Extra functionality of the central part is also possible.
yeas and in the mean time west ..on the earth give rusians sanctions....how comvenient...is enaugf that rusians not send fuel to their part..and all get down...and they are fool if not do this...west is try to steal rusian land...
What does the UN stand for, United Nations. There is no governing body there the closest thing we have is the Security Council.
@@LunarKn1ght Do you mean the UN Security Council? We need an international organization without a headquarters, decentralized in nature with jurisdiction extending to outer space, having all the necessary powers and having a legitimate governing body. And also having a punitive body that monitors obstacles to space exploration and peaceful coexistence.
@@user-sz5slm No, just no. Who would be allowed to vote for that, who is in charge, what laws are they allowed to pass, what laws can they enforce, how would they enforce those laws, who would listen to those laws? There are so many questions to that line of thinking.
The world is not ready nor wanting of that kind of governmental body that dictates to other countries what they can and cannot do.
What I assume you are asking for is an Earth Gov. which is why I pointed to the UN Security council. It's the closest thing we have to one and even then the only way people listen is through threat of invasion from the Council members and nuclear annihilation.
@@LunarKn1ght It was not in vain that I said that it should be an international union, possibly of former members of the UN. And maybe new people with experience of impartiality and objectivity, using artificial intelligence and robotics in their work. They must be elected by the world community. All countries must participate and be held accountable. What laws do you need to do the kind of work everyone should do? I think that it is possible to use the charter on the basis of the charter of the Theosophical Society.
I always wondered why it is in such a low orbit. It should have been much higher, where it could remain in orbit for centuries without having to be reboosted. Another issue with building space stations, or any other large, long term high tech project, is that they become outdated before they are completed. And when they are literally built around outdated technology, it is not easy, or even possible to update them. It would probably cost less to build an entirely new one, but then you would run into the same problems. I think it is time for the age of orbiting space stations to come to an end. We need to get started on more ambitious projects. I don't see crewed missions to Mars in the near future, there are simply too many problems to overcome with keeping humans in space exposed to that much radiation for such a long time, and nobody has yet come up with any kind of workable solution. But we do need to get out of low earth orbit. It only takes a couple of days to reach the moon, so a space station in orbit around the moon wouldn't really present any more problems than one in orbit around earth. But would it be any more beneficial? What I envision is a space station in orbit around the moon, with routine visits from the station to the moons surface and back. Due to the moons low gravity, you don't need a large expensive rocket to ferry people back and forth from lunar orbit to the surface and back. At some point, a small scale moonbase could be built (not like what you see in science fiction) and humans could possibly spend several weeks at the time on the surface. They would not be exposed to any more radiation than they would be on a space station, and the moons gravity would help prevent muscle deterioration better than being in total weightlessness.
The reason why the space stations are not in higher orbits is because of the absence of earth magnetic shielding.
A moon station will have more exposure to radiation for the same reason.
Easier/cheaper to launch to.
Where is the sound?
3:16 "... and most of them don't work...": So when they brought one back, what did they find wrong with it? And was that the same problem with the second one they brought back?
i believe he was replaced but not fired. 🤔
polonium tea or novichok?
Hopefully this causes a for all mankind situation and there’s a giants technological leap.
Now if only everyone had the same sentiment towards the old outdated space suits
3:22 that dungeon is the Leonardo module. Its an American module used as a space landfill
That would be awesome, can't wait for the new space station from Russia
thanks for the content
That's probably not going to happen in the next decade.
@@DerJuvens ex covid expert - ex military expert - ex economy expert now spacestation building expert L M A O
@@lek8630 to be fair, that’s correct.
Never thought about it in that extend but yeah, you are correct, I’d qualify for all three 👍🏻(obviously no “space building expert” although space and in particular the logistics behind a space station are pretty interesting)
Lol. Won't happen. That would require them to have a functioning space industry, which they no longer do. NASA was keeping them in business for decades but don't need to anymore. I'm sure they'll start building one about the same time they start winning in Ukraine lol
@@DerJuvens nor ever because we're boutta nuke them to the ground and take their land
It's pretty old.
Talks about decommissioning it was going around for a while.
Also USSR is not the same as Russia
5:56 You forgot about Skylab.
I was upset that they threw away Mir. I am upset that the ISS is due to be de-orbited in 2030. If the Russians do take their propulsive module off the ISS, Elon Musk could buy the ISS at fire sale price and send up a spaceX developed replacement propulsive module to maintain the altitude and attitude of the station. If Elon then owns the biggest space station, his conversion to Super Villain will be complete! 😁😁😁
Such a shame
Irregardless of our differences we can't love one another
It’s sad when you think about it. The only reason we got to the moon was because of competition. The greatest achievement our species achieved was done out of pure competition. Imagine what we would be able to do if we united.
What got me interested in spaceflight? My uncle works on the Ariana rockets and the lauching systemen of the load
Very cool!
I'm not an expert on things but wouldn't it be beneficial to a company like apple to develop all of their products (consumer, government, etc.) hardened against radition as there is a slight possibility of radiation taking out some electronics. Would it be that costly and couldn't the price be brought down if they did it to scale?
The only person who could afford to buy radiation hardened ipad would be Bill Gates......
The costs would be astronomical and reduce sales. Think about it from the perspective of a producer, if you make an object that lasts 10 years then you may lose on profits vs making an object that will last one year and make two new objects every year. That is the Apple way.
@@LunarKn1ght Yeah but computers might last 5 years at most before they become obsolete
@@moufbreava Unfortunately they don't computers are generally already out of date within the same year that a part is made for them. New Graphics cards seem to come out every other year, and that is just one part.
@@LunarKn1ghttbh just because they come out doesnt menan theyre neccesarry or that your old one will stop working, you can still play every game released on a 1080ti and that one is already old, going from a 3090 to a 4090 is just a matter of do you want to play in 4K
Would it be possible to modify a dragon resupply vehicle and boost it's orbit so it can "survive" in a saver orbit to later be visited or put in a museum if we got the means?
The Cygnus CRS spacecraft already has the capability to boost the ISS and demostrated it on its last mission. Starliner is reportedly able to boost the ISS. Musk has said that he wants to modify Dragon to boost the ISS. I don't think it has been revealed if Dream Chaser can boost the ISS.
I think the Russian module has more vitals in it than just acting as a booster. It's also centrally connected to it's power systems and like was said in the video, a toilet plus other systems. Seems like if Russia eventually abandoned the module as a booster, that could be replaced, but the module itself can't be detatched from ISS without destroying the station.
@@steveaustin2686 Cygnus relies on Antares and that is not flying anytime soon.
That would take a few years
@@fork9001 Northrop Grumman has two Antares 230+ boosters with engines already, so that gets them to mid 2023. NG just recently bought 3 Falcon 9 launches for Cygnus, so that takes them to the end of 2024. NG has also recently contracted with Firefly to make the Antares 330 series booster, using 7 Miranda engines. I'm sure that if the Antares 330 slips in development, more Falcon 9 flights could be purchased. Besides, the Dream Chaser is scheduled for its demo CRS mission in 2023, so it may take some of those Cygnus slots, giving them more time for the Antares 330 development.
1:15 Not all flags buddy, they never disrespected Indian Flag.🇮🇳
cringe alert
I wouldn’t brag about that 😬
Why India always cringe and simp for Russia 😬
What would be the point of russia trying to disconnect and take their section? I cant imagine the parts are very salvageable. I wouldnt make sense to pull out like that, more trouble than leaving it.
No mention about Russia being the only remaining ride to the space station a year ago when this video was made.
First he says "main computers are from 1988" then he says "it can take years to certify that a laptop can survive in space" and by that time it's already out of date". If the actual ISS computers are from 1988 I don't see how newer laptops with years of certification could be considered out of date. Logical fallacy?
out of date by those on the ground's perspective not by what's already there. obviously anything they add now will be new compared to what is already there, that was never the argument. its just that by the time they send a RTX 3090 there better graphics cards will be commercially available on the ground
@@brine_909 we are talking about what they use on the ISS and comparing it to that only. Makes no sense to compare the technology needed in one specific field with the one used in a other entirely.
There were computers on the station that had CPUs and GPUs that were so new they had only just come on the market. Not radiation hardened, and they survived for years.
None of these graphics even have the Nauka module, still cool though.
I hope it's left up there as a monument almost if possible, before decommision put it somewhere it hopefully wont crash down
Gotta love the KSP soundtrack playing in the background
🙌🙌🙌
The ISS is ancient and probably costs more to maintain and run than the benefits if having it. Scrap the program and send up a new one with much updated technology. The US could work in partnership with space X and build a space station dedicated to experiments but also put it in the moons orbit so that space X can use it as a space station to Dock at and send people to the moon and back. I don't know howbthat wpukd work but I'm sure it wouldn't take a lot of fuel to get a small craft off the moons surface and back up to the moon station. If they were able to find a way to refine fuel on the moon it could work as a launch pad to Mars and beyond. If we could take off from the moon I wonder how fast we could travel given the lack of gravity in space. All this technology and we have never gone past the moon.
Axiom is already building the first module of their commerical station and they plan to attach it to the ISS in 2024. Axiom wants to have a 3 module station finished before the ISS is deorbited.
Deep space is more unforgiving than LEO. The ISS and other crewed LEO missions and stations are protected by the Van Allen belts. Part of Artemis, is to develop the tech and skills for living in deep space and on other planets.
Lunar Gateway is already planned and being built to be in a Near Rectilinear Halo Orbit (NRHO) aroundd the Moon. This is a very stable orbit that doesn't need much propellant for station keeping in a year. The first four elements of the Lunar Gateway are already under construction. The Power and Propulsion Element (PPE) and Habitation and Logistics Outpost (HALO) are planned to be launched together on Falcon Heavy in 2024. The International Habitation segment (I-HAB) is being built by ESA and JAXA and is expected to ride along with Orion on Artemis IV. The European System Providing Refueling, Infrastructure and Telecommunications (ESPRIT) module is planned on riding along with Orion on Artemis V.
There are other space companies other than SpaceX, blue origin already has the plans for the orbital reef
"Probably"? LMAO! Thanks for admitting with one word that you don't know anything at all.
Also, you need to look up the definition of the word "ancient",...if you know how.
@@tonk2629except blue origin kinda sucks
@@AHHHHHHHH21 Blue is very slow, but based on the New Shepard, they make good hardware, eventually.
I really like this channel a lot, but the comical parts are a bit out of style I think
I agree. The video would have been better without it.
I'd think "Russia leaving ISS" is more of stopped all support for the station and leave it to the the rest of members, ISS still get to keep the Russian section, but there will be no cosmonauts and no Soyuz docked there.
Nice use of the ksp soundtrack :)
6:46 I mean, if we are talking about the future, I would bet my kidney that Axiom or the NASA commercial space stations are fully operational long before Russia's new space station is operational, so probably a lot more than 3 space stations.
I hope, that we finde some way to utelize a Starship-derivetive of some sort to build a new space residence. Either it would be a permanent station with modified Starships docked together. Or as big as it it, maybe a fleet of 3-4 Lab-ships with secialized labarories in them that would house 2-3 persons for serveral months and then return the whole thing. The last one sounds better the longer i think about it :-) It would save so much effort. All the cleaning and desinfection that is done to every thing to avoid permanent polution the the ISS. Gone. Clean it after return. Adoptiong experiments to given Hardware. Gone. Make racs, and every customer can slot in theire own stuff. Oh what a future that would be. Lets hope Elon has luck with starship.
Well, I doubt Starship will ever be crewed. Cargo spacecraft, sure, but crew on it? Other than the lunar one, I feel like it would be too dangerous for cre, seeing how it would practically break your neck on landing
Y'know, maybe a way to do it would have the starships docked together beforehand, and then have ferry crew dragons to get crew there
Thanks
Unhardened computers don't work because RAM keeps collecting cosmic rays, turning a 0 into a 1. Same is likely with the "read-only" memory over time, and eventually it will be all 1s, and long before that the computer is bricked. Hardening takes a computer and goes through every component - transistor, diode, capacitor, et cetera - and replace the consumer-grade component with one made from materials much less likely to absorb cosmic rays, or at least have built-in shielding. Thus part of the cost in money and time is due to a manual process - when hardened components are assembled on a line, the costs should go down by orders of magnitude. This will be necessary for orbital, interplanetary, and interstellar data centers - accelerate your website on CDNs dispersed among the stars!
It's better for them to cooperate with NASA and ESA on building a space station around the moon and maybe try to keep the ISS running for few more years.
But keeping the ISS way too long could spill trouble, since it's getting very old and difficult and expensive to maintain.
Russian space program is corrupt, but they have some brilliant minds and decades of experience, I wish they would fix the corruption issue.
Politicians should leave scientists to do their job in peace.
They are now working with China for a moon base.
If there is no money somewhere, it does not indicate corruption.
There are a dozen possible reasons for this situation.
Great vid, thanks! 4:54 Cygnus has demonstrated reboost capacity so we don't need Russia. And 'leaving after 2024' was a misunderstanding. The Russians just meant "after 2024" as in 2027, 28 whenever. We decided they meant 2025. 8:50 LOL Does anyone even recognize the Soviet colors anymore? 6:50 Remember, one Starship has more pressurized volume than the entire ISS. Build one to stay in LEO and it's a station. Build eight and join them up. Spin two for partial gravity around the hub. One can be a prop tanker. Lots of bots. Do it all for 1% of the cost of ONE SLS launch. With orbital refilling, put real Stations around the Moon, Mars, L2 etc. All other stations = pointless.
The sheer amount of dev time alone would warrant creating "classic" stations in LEO before committing to the "artificial gravity Starship station".
@@skywatcher2025 Oh sure, and we actually want and need 0 g to do stuff. I meant down the road, when there are enough people in 0g to make some g environment up there to save people trips up and down the well. But not that far into the future: The tech and engineering to tether two Starships nose to nose 100m apart and use TVCs to impart rotation seems straightforward. And tether length isn't that much of a constraint.
Well uh, there's one problem. Starship most likely will not be crewed, simply due to its landing profile, and what would be the point of such station? To just have some people up there?
@@AHHHHHHHH21 Dragon can fly to a Starship station just as easily as to ISS. And there is more to the ISS than just having people up there though Starship could certainly have a lot more. The point is one Starship is better than the entire ISS in terms of maneuverability and pressurized volume and layout. And costs less than 1%. And finally, certainly the plan is that Starship will one day land with people, after many cargo landings. Cargo Dragon to Crew Dragon took about 10 years. So, lots of problems but that's not one of them.
I would like to submit a slight correction. The Soviet Union launched all of those space stations it was an entirely different entity than the country now called Russia. Since it's inception at the fall of the Soviet Union the modern country of Russia hasn't launched any space stations.
I also have some ideas on the future. Let's say the worst happens in the war in Ukraine continued on for another couple years. And the US and other countries continue to impose the current level of sanctions. This might not happen but if it does Russia will have a little difficulty in sourcing the equipment necessary to build a new space station. International sanctions also are affecting the Russian economy. For now because of cash reserves that are propping up the price of the ruble, the sale of oil and gas to India and China, and the fact that foreign investors are not allowed to remove their assets from the Russian stock exchanges their economy is doing rather well. And perhaps It will continue to do so. But we live in an interconnected world and Russia doesn't currently build most of the computer chips it uses or the software that runs on them. And it will take many years to replace the capabilities that are currently cut off by sanctions. It will also take many years for the sanctions in these areas to have a significant effect. Now I personally doubt Russia will be able to match the capabilities of the West and produce the sophisticated technology necessary to produce a modern space station but I could be wrong. Time will tell.
Perhaps Russian and China will partner on a new space station together.
@@johnnyjohnny-xk4jd * that I am using.
Wow yeah Russians made the computer I'm using yea sure.
Now go collect your rubles.
Or perhaps you are as ignorant as you sound.
The phone I am using uses a Qualcomm chip nothing to do with Russia. The phones manufactured by Russia mostly use Asian made chips just like the ones sold in the United States.
PC wise Russia only started manufacturing it's own motherboards in 2021. They don't use Windows.
Russia is not at all modern, at first they were all separated states (Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, ect) but then the reveloution came along and the Soviet union was formed
Thank you for the information im now smarter!
Don't panic! Russia will not leave the ISS until they have their own operational space station (this means humans can actually go there), and even according to their plans, this would not happen until the end of the decade, although it is well known that the space industry is challenging and could take longer.
If ISS receives funding, it could last in orbit beyond 2030. It might make more sense to deorbit the station before then, as it is certainly very old and difficult to maintain, and NASA needs money to fund the Artemis program.
In any case we could replace the ISS with commercial stations in this decade.
That is only provided that NASA are going to cooperate. I don't think they will, because NASA is entirely state-owned and their higher-ups (the US "government") already despise Russia with every fabric of their being
@@one_step_sideways Yes, but the other option is to lose the ISS, before having any new options in orbit (such as Axiom Space Station or Orbital Reef) and in that case everyone loses access to a permanently orbiting presence until at least 2028.
If that were to happen, it would certainly be unfortunate for both space programs.
I always thinking that when it's separated they managed to add solar power to it and add some weapons to destroy the ISS,not to de-orbited it.
Well, that would be stupid and cause a world war
Makes me sad to see the space station thats been above us for so long is gonna be gone...everything that goes up must...
love that KSP music in the background!