The Issue I've Been Avoiding
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- Immigration isn't the biggest problem facing working class people. Don't believe the media.
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I think one problem is that the rich are good at making themselves and their obscene wealth invisible, whereas immigrants are highly visible. How to make the rich visible?
Visible for what? For the masses to blame someone? Left ppl are so stupid they cannot divide the number of houses to number of ppl to find part of the problem? You don't need to do nothing, the rich are leaving the UK already.
Perhaps by looking at really granulated markets? Looking at how many people shop at x and how much is spent, vs how many people shop at y and how much is spent.
"Follow the money", they say. I'd like to see the routes our money takes.
I think the best thing is to compare inflation to profit increases. It’s pretty much a perfect match every time.
Very true. Life put the very rich in close up view for me years back. Its not only obscene wealth but their arrogance, racism, hatred of the working class and absurd belief in their entitlement that opened my eyes. We are billions, they are few. Divide and rule is their only real ploy. If we unite, they fall.
Yes and Reform have made immigration a highlight. Imagine using people in that way?
I sit with my granddaughter who is 16. Her generation have been purposely absent from engaging with politics, economy and how wheels can turn ever so unfairly. We watch your vids together and we pause them as you raise each issue and we talk about it between us, learning and growing, and then push play again...rinse and repeat. You are education a whole new generation my friend. In my granddaughters eyes you bring real to reality. Bless you mate.
I love that you do that 💜
YES!!! Young people, broadly speaking, are not politicised in any meaningful way, beyond the array of "single-issue" obsessions that are fed to them (and which they reproduce) ad nauseum. As you quite rightly infer, this is producing a whole generation of vulnerable people who don't have answers for the extremely grave situation we are in. Well done for doing something about it
As a kid, we have to learn that we might not care about politics but politics cares about us. We need to get interested in politics
Your granddaughter is going to become a minority as the South Asian and African population will replace her in her own country. Gary refuses to admit this because he's a coward.
Awww I wish me and my grandma had done that. You sound like a fabulous grandma x
Immigration has been increased for three reasons:
1. Ginning up GDP (but not GDP per Capita which has severe structural issues)
2. Increasing the supply of low-wage workers thus suppressing wages of the working class. Keeping the floor price of wages low has a drag effect on the ceiling price of labour as well.
3. A cynically designed wedge issue, by politicians and their corporate backers, to distract the struggling working class and middle class from the real issues of cost of living, housing, health care, education, retirement, etc.
It also destroys social cohesion, this is something that was built over 1000 years and destroyed with 2 generations of immigration.
Don't forget the pensions gap. Alex Salmond frankly admitted that closure of the pensions gap is the primary motivation for soft borders. Immigrants are supposed to come here, pay taxes, never get ill and not have too many children. It's a shafting for everyone.
@@mattfm101Saying that the UK has had social cohesion in the past 1000 years is a blatant lie.
@@ahmedsaleh2630 I said it's taken 1000 years to form and we had heaven for around 70 years but in this time the worm of multiculturalism had been planted.
What you say is true but you are also missing the fact there a lot of immigrants are very high earners. There is a 4th thing going on here too.
Show the numbers. Show what immigration costs the economy, show how much it boosts the economy, show how much is missing in offshore accounts (£400 billion) show how little we actually pain benefits in comparison and may show how much more tax we would pay if the nominal rate of people like Rishi was the same as a nurse. Lets the numbers talk.
some try but the problem is the super rich own the media, newspapers etc. who will spread a different message
I'd love to think that would work but if you think back to the Brexit campaigning days, and all the political manipulation and propaganda that has gone on since, there seems to be little evidence that people can be swayed from deep personal prejudices by facts and figures. Though I do wish that at least one prominent party was willing to try.
those are failed counterfactuals
a nurse gets mostly paid from the taxpayer and people like Rishi bring in money from an international market, whatever little tax Rishi pays is net income for HMRC (and most importantly it's extra money that will circulate and get taxed in the economy); and the nurse offers a service that is not directly valuable in monetary terms only, but in those terms she's a cost for HMRC
that is the reality and I'm speaking of fairness, but there is no calculation that would square that comparison
if you want to make the calculations with intellectual honesty and trying to improve the finances of the public budget, then you have to start by admitting that taxes are collected where they can be with the least incremental impact on total net income for the country, not where one would think is fair on some moral or metaphysical basis
Even if immigration was economically positive, the opposition is far deeper. People don’t want to be outsiders in the land of their ancestors.
@@Joemccxc then they should leave so only the original vikings live here. In saying this because for several centuries the English were the “boat people” invading other countries and trading slaves, not sure you know?
You haven't been failing Gary, the fact that you're behind a movement not only in the UK but in other comparable countries, your reach is more important than you think. It's a crucial time.
Europe is shifting right, so not going well for socialists.
The problem we have is the first past the post system will elect Labour as the governing party and they've got no intention of tackling inequality in the way Gary describes. The only party that is offering that is the Greens (because they know they've got no chance of seizing power)
Gary is clueless about political issues. Too left leaning.
Gary keeps talking about past Immigration, the problem is the Immigration that has been happening for the past 5 years, I’ve seen more and more Romanian, Albanian and Bulgarian in my Town, getting free council housing, when the councils are struggling already!, but if my sister who is born here, tries to get on the housing they said she does not qualify!!’😮 ridiculous, Gary has obviously not been on the streets of England
@@ProfRogersI'm still not convinced it's possible to tax the rich without them moving to tax havens. We would be relying on them preferring our culture etc
I’m not going to lie Gary. You’ve named this video “the issue Iv been avoiding” but not actually addressed the issue in the video, and continue to avoid it further.
I love your videos because they use clear economic data. There wasn’t one piece of data in this video.
This is one reason why the right are going to win on this topic. We on the left are too scared to give an honest opinion on immigration. And it causes us to avoid the unpleasant subject altogether. Just as your video has done.
We on the left are simply scared of accepting that we have too high immigration levels and we need to restrict them and doing so might make you better accused of being a racist
Would increasing the population with natural-born citizens cause the same problem of decreasing wages? No one advocates limiting that, because they recognize the economy grows with more consumers as well as workers. The same is true with immigrants (minus the cost of raising them from birth, before they can contribute labor).
That's why he's lost credibility now.
@@TheMageesa sorry but the govt actively opposes large (?) families with the 2 child benefit cap...so they do advocate limiting it
With this post, I think you have just increased your chances of being labelled a "Fascist".
Welcome to the club.
I think you can answer the question "does immigration suppress the wages of the working class?" I think this gets to the working class divide.
Clearly the answer to that is no as wages have gone up the last few years and immigration is at a record high
@@Gautam81S real wages, not nominal wages
@@GC-xz7vhthere’s no clear evidence for your assertion
@@Gautam81S Migration increase wages at the higher end of the distribution while reducing wages at the lower end.
MAC (2010)
"Dustmann et al. (2008), however, do find significant and varying effects across the wage distribution; in particular, a negative impact of migration on low-paid non-migrant workers. An inflow of immigrants of the size of 1 per cent of the native population led to a decrease of 0.6 per cent in wages for those at the 5th percentile and smaller decreases at the 10th and 15th percentiles. However, there is a positive effect on wages further up the wage distribution, with similar immigration causing a 0.7 per cent increase in the median wage and a 0.5 per cent increase at the 90th percentile."
Migration makes the rich richer and poor poorer.
"I really want to do this video justice because its such a big issue"... proceeds to ramble for 16 minutes without even making a single point beyond "I think the real issue is inequality".
Yeah, I was genuinely really looking forward to hearing *why* immigration isn’t the issue it’s claimed to be in the media. This video was a waste of time.
because he's a pro 3rd world mass immigration marxist.
He's a fraud and a phoney
Agree. Weak video. Its also far too simplistic to label Reform, Le Pen etc as straight hard right wing. Their politics are more nuanced than that and do involve big state expenditure. Reform (agree or not) are proposing some radical solutions to the current situation, including a ton of support for working people via the tax cuts. Id like to see Garry talk about their proposal for the BoE and it's impact on monetary policy. Or a full on economic analysis of immigration and some actual policy suggestions. This just feels like this chanel has degenerated into left wing propaganda rather than informed discussion.
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I would say good start is to remind that immigration policies are mainly driven by the rich that want to increase pressure on labour market and drive wages down when system is becoming destabilized for working class they sell scapegoat with the same people they pulled in with policies they lobbied. Just explain the process. It is very common that immigration is connected to left policies but inherently these policies serve needs of the business class.
damn i hope this comment gets pinned!!!
Gary doesn't want gdp to go down. He is a millionaires reliant on interest rates and dividends going up . Need immigration to keep the ponzi scheme running . Typical champagne socialist with luxury beliefs , he knows the problems it creates for the working class but he's been to university and learnt what's acceptable to think😢
Increased supply of workers, increased demand for houses. Great for business and/or house owners.
Unless you want to do away with capitalism, it is actually the low birth rate that means immigration is pushed
So what’s the solution?
I'd like to see a breakdown of WHY you don't think immigration is the problem rather than just saying 'it's not the problem'. I don't believe immigration is the main problem but for those that do, I imagine they would require more than a 'trust me bro' to consider a change of stance.
Yeh agree, I don't like the way Gary fluttered around it. He knows if he addressed the elephant on the room, he'll lose half his channel. Integrity costs money
He's in denial like many left wingers. I suspect it's because he knows deep down there really is not a great argument for immigration and if he says that it may come across as racist
Yeah, I'd personally like to hear his reasoning regarding the housing demand argument, but I know that basically everything you can say on such a broad, contentious subject is going to be met with endless counter arguments, alternative angles and denial, and when done publicly you open the distraction to everyone. It takes too much time to try to change people's minds on strongly held beliefs when you have other, more important things to say.
@@user-lh5kn8tv4f left wingers don't like to admit immigration is not beneficial
It's 2024 and we live in a modern world where everything is digital and we have good transport, even the most knuckle dragging dimwit realises that people are naturally going to move around the world, I think most people think immigration and emigration are just fine when done proportinally.....What is crazy is turning the UK into a human ponzi scheme where the population goes up by half a mil every year without fail. An extreme left policy (open door) will eventually bring about an extreme counter policy....How people bury their heads in the sand and can't consider this is beyond reasoning.
Gary, I am an immigrant to UK 🇬🇧 over 20 years ago, the problem is some of us use the system in place and contribute something towards the system and the country. My opinion is uncontrolled immigration that cost the country money and doesn’t contribute anything is the problem, a country only has a finite supply of resources, we’re a small island that cannot sustain current uncontrolled levels of immigration!
So for you worked well but not for the others ?
you are absolutely correct Jacques
one of the problems in the modern left is this Messianic tendencies to "adopt an immigrant" or "adopt a working class pauper" that force them to ignore the basic arguments in favour of more palatable abstract ones
inequality is a false god and not the cause but a symptom of a malfunctioning market and leftists want to double down on central command policies to "fix" inequality
So an immigrant has noticed this and yet if a native brit even hints towards what you have stated openly, they are decried as racist. How curious. Only but not really, because the corporate, globalist agenda is so obvious it's painful.
Exactly. It's basic supply and demand and the super rich know it!
@@mariamacielm8691 you nailed it. The point in time when the OP arrived in the UK net migration was under 30k per year. Annual net migration now stands at an eye watering 700k per year.
Gary's video avoids data entirely and instead patronises the listener by describing immigration simply as a populist wedge issue. The same old trope that the racist massee will believe anything.
The average person is not xenophobic or racist, they look at the numbers and understand they are unsustainable and damaging to public services and social cohesion.
At what point would it take Gary and the open border supporters in these comments to say enough? Annual net migration of 1m? How about 1.7m?
Because in reality everyone and everywhere has a limit.
6:36 "I don't personally think the primary reason why life is getting harder is immigration, I think the primary reason why life is getting harder is growing inequality" So, immigration?
We’ve had Thatcherism since 1979 which serves the interests of the (mainly overseas) wealthy. The problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of assets to sell to overseas investors so that they can rip off British consumers. Reduce inequality by taxing the rich.
Tax the rich, it's all so simple! Sadly you are naive at best. The rich can easily avoid tax or move abroad. A wealthy friend moved to Dubai to pay zero personal tax and it only took 2 weeks to sort out. There is already data which shows the rate of wealthy individuals moving abroad is increasing rapidly. Why do you think starmer and Corbyn before him target middle income workers?
We had Thatcherism between 1980s and 1997 and the country flourished. we've had Blairism (socialism) since 1997 till now and we were bankrupted in 2008 and the government remains insolvent today. We do not have Thatcherism today, we have big government (45% of GDP which is approaching soviet levels) and too much regulationwithmzrkets no longer free to trade efficiently.
@@stumac869 You obviously didn't live under Thatcherism.
Tax them as much as you like. What needs to be done is making sure the multi millionaire/billionaires aren't AVOIDING tax as much as they do currently.
@@stumac869the country didn’t “flourish”. When were you born?
You’re definitely not failing. You’re an inspirational voice. It’s up to all of us to share it
Yes. we need more muslim immigrants.
@@thorsrensen3162 Why are you obsessed with a person's religion?
Appreciate you Gary+++👍
@@Pomegranate_David I am not obsessed I am concerned about the muslim population steadily requires more and more of the islamic religion implemented in our societies. This is not about economy like Gary talks about it is about freedom of future generations.
@@thorsrensen3162 What proof do you have for your nonsensical claims? Islamic law doesn't exist here in the UK. People that are observant Muslims however keep their religious obligations and the same is true of Jews and Christians. You are spreading hatred towards Muslims because you are ignorant and bigoted.
Gary : " Trust me everyone, mass immigration hasn't made Britain worse and we actually need more of it. I'm not going to provide any evidence or argument for this, but you should just trust me"
Wow, very persuasive statement Gary. You really made me reconsider with all that hollow posturing and grandstanding.
All the "guys we are in this together I know those from the 3rd world hate white people but we are all in it together i promise" was very convincing
Don't just look at immigration through an economic lens. Look at the speed of change in demographics, culture, crime etc. It's not just about money.
So in the last 60 years, how has the demographics changed?
@@riveness Any country that goes from 99% homogenous regional haplo group to just 71% in 30 years is unprecedented in history apart from actual military invasions.
Don't expect people to be happy about that especially when some of those incomers have polar values and religious beliefs absolutely anathema to Western society.
@@riveness London is no longer majority white british. The demographics of Birmingham and Luton.
but it is about money. inequality means less people having children, which means immigration is required to keep the economy going. inequality leads to more crime, more drug and alcohol addiction, and a reduction in quality of life, mental health, the list goes on.
@@AaronStatic the government could instead pass policies that encourage people to have children but they don't. Instead they choose to import millions of 3rd worlders who do not subscribe to our values and commit lots of crime.
In the 70s, the hard left was very much against European expansion because cheap slave labour would depress wages for workers. For the same reason, the right was enthusiastically pro immigration. Even the Gastarbeiter wave in Germany in the 60s was not politically powerful but mostly a result of United States and Turkey lobbying: "Theodor Blank, Secretary of State for Employment, opposed such agreements. He held the opinion that the cultural gap between Germany and Turkey would be too large and also held the opinion that Germany didn't need any more laborers because there were enough unemployed people living in the poorer regions of Germany who could fill these vacancies."
To me it is obvious that immigration has effects on a society, good and bad (not only good and not only bad), and the bad effects are disproportionally distributed in poor areas.
In Britain today, the biggest lobbyists for mass immigration still the very wealthy who want it to suppress wages, and inflate housing costs. Like Wolfson who is head of Next and openly demands low wage immigration to suppress wages and working conditions. Literally even said he wanted more third world immigration instead of EU immigration, because Europeans expected to much pay and too good conditions.
Switzerland have been having referendums over free movement and struggling with the issue. In the main because they fear it will lower wages. Strong unions and antidote. Not something we have in the U.K. hence worker is pitted against worker. Quite sad really.
Immigration is not an immigrant problem, but a rich people/capitalist problem. Especially in industries like agriculture across the East Midlands, where "casual wages" and not paying for better working conditions or benefits allows bosses to outsource under the guise that "no local will do the job".
Too many people blame the players and not the people making the game.
I blame the game makers first and the players second
Immigration is the fault of immigrants, capitalists and politicians. It is the problem of the average British person, and the same applies in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, USA and the rest of Europe.
What you say is right but I would argue against a direct capatalism/market force reason for ever increasing mass immigration. It's actually a distortion of market forces caused by state interference which keeps pulling people here. Under normal conditions people move here for work as they started doing 20 years ago...we go through a honeymoon period of growth....too many people come which start forcing wages down and housing costs up......at this point people should be leaving for better opportunities somewhere else and the market corrects itself.....what the state has done is doubled down and promised to build more housing and keep raising the minimum wage and keep paying benefits to people who really shouldn't by claiming them... that's breaking the market.... that's why we are where we are. I met a nice Slovakian lad on holiday years ago, said he worked in th UK but lost his job and stayed in the country on benefits for a few months...why the hell are we paying benefits to a Slovakian who was working here on low wages?
@@Justin-yt8zv It may be a distortion from state interference, but it ultimately benefits capital. I don't know why this man you met got benefits, as I don't know the details. I know it's not uncommon, but it's not generally unwarranted (if you pay tax on income/council, you get access to services etc). The normal conditions you lay out are a bit oversimplified to me, as there were not these strict booms and falls like countries are the tech sector. Many immigrants (Portuguese, Irish and now Polish), left due various factors - partly their countries improving or being able to get a better life back home after some work here. Some stayed, like in my nan's case, where the work she'd undergone here ruined her spine and the nhs was a better alternative to Irish public healthcare.
Anyway, supposed you do boot out immigrants, you still have a largely neo-liberal country. Immigration is just one lever for you to, as you mentioned on another comment, not get more than 16 hours at curry's. Or not get paid in line with inflation, so you'd get at least 3 times the pay for those hours and not have to seek further time in an electronic retail space to survive.
At least with immigration someone actually gets a better life. Beats just beating miners with sticks and foreclosing on houses.
And the state subsidises capital on the regular, that's how businesses like Amazon have kept afloat. More so in America, but our lack of wealth tax is a subsidy for capital, and the freedom to drive labour costs down and be subsidised by the tax payer in the form of benefits for anyone and everyone, when it’s not just administrative carelessness, is another form of this. Ireland has risen its GDP massively by doing the former and is experiencing many of the same problems. The market is simply never left to naturally ebb and flow like you suggest.
Are you forgetting that in Spain there are anti-tourism movements because the locals are being priced out of the housing market, as a direct result of foreigners buying up holiday homes and putting the general housing prices out of their reach. Why, therefore, wouldn't immigrant overload in this country have a similar effect on housing demand and increase rents, etc, thus, creating resentment?
It’s not just about living standards, it’s about the irreversible and dramatic changes to society on a cultural and values level. How can you not see that? We should definitely have less and managed immigration, not this insane amount that is only increasing year on year. People are fed up. It’s nothing bigger than that. British people are quite moderate in many ways, but failure to listen to large chunks of the population and then you’ll shock shock horror, have parties emerge that will listen to them.
What cultural and values have changed? Can these be explained by the way the economy is now? Lack of job security, low pay, individualisation being baked into our society? It's way cheaper now to sit and watch netflix at home rather than go out to the pub, or cinema. There's no way for a person my age (~30) to go and meet new people without spending tons of money.
Like I agree culture sucks rn, but can't that be explained by economics and the material way our society is rather than immigration?
@@benjohnson6251 realising that there’s no point using logic with these individuals. Honestly - they’re aligning with the same rhetoric that partly brought us here in the first place. Wasn’t this the Tory party mantra in 2016 with the focus on Brexit being immigration and literally UK living standards are in all facets worse than they were since then. We’ve lost every inch of being able to critically reason as a nation. Half the people who mention immigration probably couldn’t even recite a single immigration policy we have.
@@YvonneHercules I guess they would say immigration has gone up a lot since Brexit, so that take doesn't exactly prove them wrong.
@@benjohnson6251Poland hasn't had any kids blown up by islamists because it hasn't had any Islamic immigration. France has the highest rate of Islamic immigration in Europe and the highest rate of terror attacks in Europe, that's just the most extreme example of a direct consequence of importing foreign cultures that aren't compatible with our own
We sadly need a wing back to the right or this lovely country and lovely people will be gone.
The thing is Gary, and I say this as mixed person (English mum), I know inequality exacerbates everything and will make ppl seek out scapegoats, but I feel like we’re beyond pure economics at this point. The backlash is against non-white ppl in highly visible places, against large non-white neighbourhoods, against London being so international now. I think moderate white english people are feeling slightly more resentful at the changing landscape of their big cities and English popular culture. That’s why I think they want to lower immigration. It’s not just about jobs or housing, it’s because they feel English culture is being inalterably changed. That’s what scares me, because while I don’t think it’s true, there are some valid concerns in there, and by ignoring them we’re giving rise to something much more potent than economic resentment
Alot of us a sick to the back teeth of the anti-white sentiment we're bombarded with.
How many people would reject a pay rise or bonus because it might affect English popular culture? Be honest. It’s about declining living standards. That’s where the sentiment comes from before it’s shepherded towards scapegoats.
While I agree with you to some degree (I’m also mixed race, white mom), people only have that anger when they can’t live their normal lives and see better lives for their children. Poverty breeds anger and hatred. There would be a lot less if people had money and time. They’d meet other cultures by going out more, visiting other countries.
@@user-rx8lz6yz4f Rotherham enters the chat.....
This isn't really all that true, England has always has had immigration. There was always purges of the immigrants, blamed for things they never were related to, such as the black death, and many other negative events through history.
The current reality for immigration, is the fact that an immigrant can travel through a bunch of safe countries and come into the UK, which shouldn't be happening, since they should "mainly" head for the nearest safe country.
But that is representative of a small-ish number of people in comparison to the very large number of non-white people that live in the UK, that have nothing to do with this issue.
The other thing that stems the issue, is that the entire country has been reformed into a "community-less" space. All social hubs have been removed, there's barely any youth groups helping the youth. No spaces to grow up happy in, and local culture has been overridden with large businesses funneling wealth from localised areas to other countries, which prevents grass roots projects from flourishing.
And because of this, everyone is becoming lonelier and more hostile. And the issue with parties on the right is that they want more big business, and funneling of wealth, but disguising it as "helping the working class".
The reality is, if we don't start working toward helping the youth and community building, then we will forever spiral into this societal decay, and be ripe to be lured into whatever lies any party spouts in the future.
Immigration isn't the only reason for high house prices and low wages but it's completely disengenious to pretend that in isn't a contribution.
Exactly!
It's not a contribution, it's the availability of cheap finance to a small minority at the top of society. That's where all the additional money enters the housing market. House prices never went up because migrant workers were all coming in with £millions in briefcases and outbidding natives for houses. The went up because banks lent exclusively to a boomer landlord class who bought up the stock and have rinsed everyone for rent ever since.
If I waved a magic wand and tripped the housing stock over night what do you think would happen to house prices? Wealthy people buying stock doesn't help but supply and demand is way more important when it comes to prices.
@@Sankara561 9 million people coming here is not a factor??
Yet people at the high end of house building industry get massive bonuses just like most industry like bankers.
I'm as left as they come. It's not enough to just say - immigrants aren't the reason you can't get a house. I'm going to play devils advocate and put my 'fascist head' on for a second. Address the questions no-one else is. 1. Does high immigration suppress wages ? 2. Does high immigration reduce Government investment in things like training NHS staff, adult education and apprenticeships ? 3. Does high immigration change the social environments of places like schools and town centres ? 4. We're a country built on immigration but historically what percentage of the population were immigrants over what periods of time (integration) ? 5. Are we ok with parents pressuring teachers if they don't like what's taught in schools - does this affect what is taught in schools ? 6. Have politicians, local authorities and law enforcement ignored mass law breaking because of perceived racial profiling ? These are valid points which should be up for debate and discussion so we can establish the facts regardless of whose argument it supports. Ignoring them and reducing it to immigration good vrs immigration bad is why Farage has free reign to keep pushing lies. As you say Gary, inequality is the root cause of most of the evils in our society. But if we don't honestly debate facts and establish truth we won't unite people who don't agree on that. I don't even know if it's possible to do that. Guarantee a lot of people reading this post think I'm something I'm not. The bottom line is (I believe) if Labour don't address inequality the continued rise of fascism in this country is inevitable. We need to cut that off now not once it has more years of momentum and the only way we can do that is by addressing issues that haven't been publically analysed.
Something a lot of people are forgetting is that AI will bring about a significant amount of job losses... we should be careful not to increase our population size when we won't need so many people.
I consider myself left wing but there must be a limit to sustainable immigration? It’s more than triple what it was under the previous labour government.
Surely the increased demand for housing and jobs drives up rents and drives down wages due to supply not even close to being met, does this not increase inequality? Cheap labour for the rich and increased return on property.
Honest questions as I haven’t made up my mind on this subject, I feel like you’ve kind of missed the point and just said it’s not the main problem as not to divide the working class but I was hoping for some economically backed insight.
yep, i think being totally border free is a liberal, not leftist position.
@@siobhanchristine-bligh183 Leftist ideas are predicated partly on international solidarity. I understand what you mean but it borders on falling on the trap Farage has set up for us.
Thats part of the issue in my opinion a unwillingness to engage productively on the left on this issue and just parrot ‘immigration good and we welcome everyone’ which just leaves a huge void for farage and co to make the debate toxic and be the only ones that will tackle the issue.
The horrible truth that all of you talking about immigration as a problem are glossing over is, we are poor because our government is corrupt and our rich are the ones bribing them so they can buy everything and keep us working until we're 75. The rich have 100x the negative impact on everything you mentioned that immigrants do.
Always remember, unlike the rich at least immigrants pay their fair share of taxes. The worst thing you can do is believe the BS rich people told you. To blame immigrants - even a little bit - for what they're doing, is a shameful mistake to make.
The world is not a zero sum game, when migrants arrive they need stuff such as food and buy stuff from shops meaning you need more workers to make more stuff for the migrants, creating jobs plus migrants start lots of business that often employ natives, for sectors where we have shortages such as housing we can get migrants to help cover demand
Gary, you haven't been failing. You're letting impatience get the better of you. It's a slow slog you've set yourself on. 10 years ago, no one would have heard you. Now you have a small but growing audience listening to a bright, working class lad from Romford who isn't in the pocket of anyone. If you've got the energy, keep keeping on. You're in a unique position. You've seen the inside of capitalism at its most raw, and have a unique perspective. Please continue to use it but don't beat yourself up if it happens slowly.
Imagine thinking that a million new people every year is sustainable! The numbers must fall.
Brexit brought this.
@@coventryboy68 Oh right so before the EU we couldn’t control our own borders? It’s a lack of will. Appropriate navy vessels in the channel would bring boat crossings to zero.
@@coventryboy68Inequality brings high levels of immigration as the vital key workers positions aren’t being filled by U.K. citizens as the wages are so low.
Not according to Gary. All those pakistanis replacing us are comrades in class struggle
It's bad for Britain but good for the immigrants. Do you think lefties lime these have any sort of ingroup preference and will condemn people to poverty and war so their country is less bad?
One of the biggest reasons the housing market is so competitive in Manchester for example is that there are loads of foreign investors (still living in China) and droves of legal foreign economic immigrants (such as wealthy individuals from Hong Kong) who are able to invest in or migrate to the UK, buy multiple houses for what they sold their flat/property portfolio for in Hong Kong without having any kind of economic challenge and paying the normal taxes a UK landlord would pay.
A lot of other countries restrict the amount of foreign investment in their housing markets, or at least tax them more than they would a citizen, so the economy can still benefit more from this foreign investment....whcih could be driven back into building more affordable housing that only British citizens can purchase.
You can be against immigration at this level and not be racist at all. I think you’re spot on with wealth inequality and taxing the wealthy, immigration is certainly an issue that needs to be addressed.
The problem with immigration has never been about race or inequality - it's always been about culture. Gary doesn't get it.
And numbers.
True, you can be misinformed, stupid, lazy, alarmist, hypocritical and or greedy too.
If Labour don't tackle immigration levels expect the right wing to gain further ground
@@JustAlex848 - Men fight in wars to protect their people, people like them. Do you honestly think millions of our finest would have sacrificed everything in WWII so that within a century we’d be staring down becoming an ethnic minority in Britain?
Gary grew up in East London (as did I) and so multiculturalism is all he knows. However, for people who aren't used to it, their fall in living standards is now soundtracked by a dozen different languages being shouted into phones on trains, buses and around the town square. It's the alienation from their community that they can't stand.
In other words, maybe us Brits are all at least a little bit xenophobic deep down, but it's OK because we can get over those issues as long as the UK ultra rich and corrupt politicians aren't ruining our lives, in which case F*** it, get them gone?
@@jacobh793 This whole comments section is full of xenophobic British people. It's rife here.
Agreed
Just rubs salt in to the wound
Perhaps what the Government could do is create more community programs to aid the integration of immigrant families. And more so, children.
Gary - As you're a fan of Japan and Japanese culture - Can you explain to me how they managed to recover from WW2, and then go onto have lorded sucess from the 80's into the 2010's as a leading economony. (I know things have gone screwy recently with all the Yenterventions)
But my question being - How did they manage all of the last centuries 'recovery and success' while avoiding flooding their major cities and economic hubs with foreigners, essentially, as they coined it 'preserving their own culture'.
- Mass immigration to Japan hasn't really been a thing due to their protectionist policies - which is reflected in their stable/falling crime rates.
- They lost WW2, but kept their culture in the process. (Hence your admiration of it, I assume) But how?
- We seem to have won WW2, but lost our culture, and major cities in the process - which is reflected in their rising crime rates.
Never mind;
- Twenty years of wage stagnation for the working classes
- A buckling NHS
- Regular terror attacks
- Under investigated rape gangs and all the random killings we're on the receiving end off.
- I've yet to see any msm call out the recently murdered woman on Bournemouth beach as the islamist homophobic attack that it was (Multiculturalism doesn't work if you flood yourself with people in who don't beleive in the concept of it)
- Housing supply crisis
- 5th column issues bringing mass protest onto the streets about a foreign war while the worst cost of living crisis in 40 years quietly takes place in the background - and the msm capitulates.
- Give it until after the election but we all know they're about to start forming their specific own political parties.
People have had enough of it. My sister was spat on in the street for showing affection to her BF by a bunch of islamic children on a quiet sunday evening 23 years ago, it was a major red flag for me. Then my friends older sister was stabbed at random while sunbathing in central Birmingham. She died of her injuries and the muslim cunt who did it was deemed "mentally unwell"
Then about 5 years ago in my sleepy suburb of Birmingham, seriously nothing ever happens here, a lad 2 years below myself who went to my school, was stabbed in his heart walking back from our villages local pub, by muslim teenagers after his wallet.
Now I don't know about your experiences with mass immigration Gary, but those are mine. I wish we'd have been more like Japan, as arguably both James and Rosie would still be with us, which I'd much prefer, rather than this mass immigration mess thats propping up the pensions funds for your bois at Citibank to keep gambling with.
Gary's story is a common one; he has been gas-lit by the liberal establishment into believing nationalism = bad and globalism = good. He believes open borders, overcrowded cities and 50 different languages in the one train carriage are signs of virtue. He is a shrewd economist with a good heart. However there's a lot about politics, society and human nature he is still yet to learn. Is he still living in that Pakistani area of London he grew up in? His "home?" You can bet he got out of there as quick as his wealth would allow.
At what point does he discuss supporting overcrowded cities? What do you mean exactly by overcrowded cities?
A shrewd economist has an inherent understanding of politics and society as they have impacts on decision making.
I feel people have a lot to learn about leakages in the economy from the rich that leads to a £32bn tax gap which causes the issues the frustrate us all.
No, he's not in Ilford anymore.
most based comment yet, exactly what i was thinking. Gary still hasn't seen the truth.
given he revealed in this video that he has taken cash from novara media and Aron bastani this is no surprise.
id guess it'll take him 5 to 10 years to see the problem.
@@prashantduggal8235 l mean cities that are overcrowded.
Gary has revealed himself as a globalist, with hippie clothes to make it look like he cares about ordinary people. What a disapointment.
In Australia, immigration is undoubtedly one of the main issues that is causing huge issues with housing supply
60% of the council estate I grew up in is now housing immigrants that have arrived in the last 10 years. It's the same for most council housing in London. Who asked for that?
I knew in the 90s what the UK's long term economic strategy was and I voted for the governments that progressed that strategy. So I'm one of the ones that asked for this. The problem is the electorate often expects easy answers to complex challenges. The electorate doesn't have the patience for long term planning and execution. China was able to solve abject poverty within 50 years because they make long term plans and stick to them. Here in the West it's all short term thinking to make a fast buck. That's why I am glad that Labour is coming at the challenges with a decade of renewal strategy.
Is it not a we-didn't-build-enough-houses problem which then goes back to the economics again which is, where is the money to do that?
@@OneAndOnlyMe you are the problem.
Totally agree , you are not the problem
@@Smilesimon17317 I live in a democracy, democracy gave me the option. Do you not like democracy?
One thing that's impressed me about the Tories, and this applies to brexit as well as immigration, is how they've used the crises they have created to seize on the resentment and position themselves as the solution. All the while they have been in charge all along. They couldnt do this without the full participation and active engagement of our media.
It impresses me how completely divorced from reality you are
@@danw5760what impresses me is how clearly you didn't understand the OP comment.
@@danskkr it's demonstrable, conspiratorial nonsense, that even a single glance at current news completely contradicts. The Tories are about to be wiped off the map, so much for your grand plan
Yeah, Tories are polling so well, their master plan is working great.
@@danskkr if you can't see that the comment has no connection with reality, you have issues
Immigration is a symptom rather than a root-cause, but it’s one hell of a symptom. Nor is it incidental; it’s been cultivated over decades with the effect of avoiding or masking those root-causes.
exactly. There are several things people seem to forget; historically we have invited other nationalities here, to work for us, when it has suited us; we invaded and colonised many countries and encouraged those inhabitants to look upon us as the Mother country now we are surprised when they want to come and live here; we help create the problems that make people want to leave their own countries and then blame them for the problems in this country.
@@Sujki19
It’s probably worth clarifying that we have differing views of what the root-causes are.
We now allow and encourage unprecedented levels of migration and what this serves to do is temporarily insulate us from the developing demographic time-bomb of low and falling birth rates among the long-settled population.
The key word is temporarily, though: It’s a self-feeding Ponzi scheme that brings with it myriad negative social and societal side-effects.
The stuff about historic colonialism is largely irrelevant: We’d limit arrivals regardless of demand if that’s what our governments desired. And, by the way, I suspect very few, if any, recent arrivals were motivated by a sense of ‘mother country’.
@@digitalis909 you're right, we do have differing views.
@@Sujki19 Remind me which countries Ireland colonised, because they are experiencing even higher rates of immigration per capita than we are.
@@ThumpRat so you disagree with me. Often a problem has a number of symptoms and the case recently of immigrants, I forget from where, being made homeless after being told they would always have a home here, illustrates this.
"I think the primary reason that life is getting hard is because of this growing inequality" That's like saying it's cold because the temperature is decreasing.
Inequality is happening because of globalisation and corporate greed. The immigrants are here to work and build a better life. Most student doctors are from outside the uk from what I’ve seen.
@@ratsliveonnoevilstar1 From what you've seen? Hmm...We have the data. Everyone can read it if, they can be bothered. The NHS staffing consists of around 80% British and 20% non. Around the same make up of the Country. For now.
@@albi55uk new staff??
@@ratsliveonnoevilstar1 They'll join the 20%
Hi Gary I just wish you had a bigger platform. I am 88 years old and You are certainly talking to me. Equality has to be the rationale for any modern forward thinking society otherwise we are f----d.
Keep on doing what you are doing.
Immigration is not the cause of inequality but contributes to a dilution in pay, simple supply and demand in the same way the answer to the housing crisis is build more houses, but other key factors are to simplify the onerous local planning policies and restricting foreign buyers/companies/career landlords buying up properties.
Immigration is not the answer to solve job shortages, aging working population etc. and it is not the cause of inequality either in my experience of seeing a small town around 1 hour from London change over 20 years.
BUT it HAS increased pressure on the NHS, increased demand for housing (demonstrated in part by massive increase in HMOs across the town), not solved skilled worker shortages in some sectors, rapid shift in demographics with migrants clustering in traditionally poorer areas of the town.
We just need to cut our cloth accordingly as a country by incentivising the UK population to have families, work fulfilling careers and start their own businesses, supporting workers with training/to change careers as not all jobs are for life - the world moves on, and look to immigrant labour as a last resort only.
Wouldn't the main cause then with regard to your last paragraph be austerity and lack of investment in the people of the uk. lack of investment in education, job retraining and so on?
@@novacaine_ Yes, that part of the problem, when labour were in power their answer to skill shortages was to import foreign workers, when the Tory's got in they were supposed to decrease immigration, but the problem is the Tory's never invest in our country, the cut what they can and think that will boost the economy.
Add to that the fact that the torys haven't even invested in a proper immigration scheme and you get thousands of tens of thousands of illegal immigrants per year, hundreds of thousands of dependants of legal immigrants, the Tory's have left the door wide open but haven't invested in things like the NHS, housing, schools, so people start blaming the immigrants because everything is being squeezed because nothing has improved since labour were last in power, in fact everything has been cut, so we're trying to cater to 6 million more people with a system that is worse off than it was 14 years ago, NHS has super long waiting lists, schools have over 40 kids to one class, people on benefits in England can't get a dentist, houses get more expensive because there is more demand, wages stagnate because we keep importing people who are happy to accept the lowest wage possible so British people can't compete.
We need investment (in our own people and services) AND to take control of immigration, both the right and left have to stop being at each other's throats and listen to each other and get along, that's the only way to get out of this rut. If you want to solve mass immigration, the answer is to train British people to have the skills we need, and to pay them a fair wage. It seems like Starmer has been listening, let's hope he sticks to his policies in his manifesto, if he does, we will have at least 10 years of labour in power, if he doesn't, Nigel farage might be PM in 2029.
It's not quite so straight forward as you suggest, though. The real difficult reality is there can be no NHS or housing industry without massive immigration, simply impossible now, the whole economy and all public services would collapse. The NHS is run on immigrants and we don't have a homegrown workforce that can replace them now. Would take 15 years minimum to build economy (so we can afford non immigrant wages) and train staff. So immigrants are not a drain on public services as it balances out or is a net gain most of the time.
Although I do see a lot of your points, hiring locals, taxpayers and children of taxpayers should be a priority, there are problems that can come from immigration and a lot of the time they do get pushed on poorer communities.
But it must also be said the places with the most immigration are all massively pro immigration, even when polling just white born and bred English demographics.
Guys why can't we just open up our borders to the skilled workers like NHS doctors and nurses rather than opening up our borders to everyone who earns above a certain amount. Because of that policy it's the reason we are seeing a shortage for nurses, and literally any other skilled job.
There are over 700,000 empty homes in the UK, they are just in places where people do not want to live and work. Too many people refuse to be mobile when it comes to work and accommodation.
Why does it always have to be about the economy? What about the social implications of uncontrolled mass immigration over the decades? Or doesn’t that count? BTW, ordinary people don’t need to listen to the MSM or the political class when it comes to immigration, jobs, housing etc. They only have to walk around the city’s and towns up and down the country and look at this country’s various institutions to see for themselves just how much uncontrolled mass immigration has negatively affected them. AND, before anyone accuses me of targeting immigrants, I’m not. They’re only trying to survive. Many are exploited by employers and the government of the day. I’m the son of an immigrant who came to this country when the numbers of immigrants into the country was relatively small and was tailored to the country’s needs. It’s off the scale now, and if more immigration equalled more wealth, the ordinary people of this country wouldn’t be suffering the way they are, and that includes the immigrants.
The social implications of immigration only exist in some areas.
There is a way to alleviate these: if everybody has access to good standards of living, people really do not care. As soon as people are in difficulty, instead of going straight to the people who have the power, they look for solutions in their immediate field of vision.
Also: I worked with immigrants for over 15 years. If immigrants are helped to integrate, they do. Helping them to integrate: courses in Engllish, in culture, respect and...finding out about their culture. The more I was asking my students to explain their culture, the more they were willing to adopt our culture and our ways.
@@annepoitrineau5650 A lot don't want to integrate especially those who are not from Europe 1 in 4 british muslims believe those things happened on oct 7th. It is not possible to share a nation with these people who do not subscribe to our values
@@Ye1-ko3bl I disagree with you, and I know them well. 1)Nobody thinks that what happened on Oct 7th was right. 2) contrary to what some people are trying to push: the horrors of Oct 7th did not happen in a vacuum. Palestinians have been oppressed since 1948. I am Jewish and I know the history of israel. 3)Netanyahu is behaving appallingly. Oct 7th was awful, but Netanyahu heaped lies on top, accusing Hamas of hacking babies.
Are you a christian? if you are, do you feel for them when christians are oppressed in other countries? if this is the case, it is absolutely normal, and we must understand that a lot of Muslims are feeling for the Palestinians. It does not mean they agree with the horrors of Oct 7th.
But more to the point, we should all feel for the Jews murdered on Oct 7th, and also for the Palestinians murdered now, because we are all human beings.
Anyway, I am tired of arguing with xenophobes who will grasp at any straw in order to justify their prejudices and heatred. Live well, and be kind to the immigrant who will look after your grandmother, or your parents, or you, when you are old and frail. The truth is: we need immigrants because this government has been unable to educate the young to work in health, health and social care, etc etc. Moreover, the NHS is on its knees, but the government is creating a situation where fully qualified doctors (quals take 7 years min.) can't find a job, while patients are being seen by assistant physicians whose quals take 2 years, where nearly all of my colleagues in the college maths department are foreigners, because so few English person want to teach maths etc etc. You need to focus on the country's real problem, not on the deflection, the distraction the government want you to focus on.
@@annepoitrineau5650 you are making the emotional argument i never said what israel did was okay. I mentioned how 1 in 5 British muslims believe that SA happened on oct 7th you dont think there is a problem with that? I could mention the surveys about sharia law and banning homosexual marriage. Importing people from the 3rd world solves no problems and creates further problems down the line.
I think you do not undrstand what economy means. It is not just about growth. That is (in my opinion) not necessary, otherwise the economy is nothing but a ponzi scheme.
The economy is having enough stuff (resources and money) in the system to keep it ticking. By which I mean: farmers are able to produce, because producing enables them to sustain a living. People are able to buy produce to feed themselves, because their salaries are at the right level. Factories are able to churn out what we need (cars, shoes, clothes, furniture) because the sale sustains the running of the factory and everybody who works in it. People's salaries enable them to buy these things they need. We have an infrastructure which allows us to travel to work, drink clean waer, get medical care. This infra structure works because our salaries enable us to pay taxes. Etc etc. That is the economy. If that does not work, people are hungry etc. oh shucks...This is the case. At the moment, our economy is all wrong as it focuses on making the rich richer. This is not the "economy", it is hypercapitalism, and you are right, it is bad and unnecessary, but Sunak would have us believe it is the only economy there is.
Sometimes it’s not all about money and Economics. This country has changed beyond all recognition in the last 30 years, especially in London
We can all spin it , re frame it, throw ‘wacist’ about
But the country is now lost
Country isn't lost, but it has changed.
@@masterbarnard I would like to think you are correct but I’m a Londoner in my fifty six year and I have witnessed the demise
@@markrangers1423 the change to London isn’t all negative though. In fact I’d say the culture remains remarkably resilient in many parts.
A lot of Londoners moved to Essex and other surrounding counties, and they’ve kept a lot of their identity. London lost its docks and much of its manufacturing to become mainly a service based economy, so it was bound to change culturally.
There’s still many a fantastic pub, museum and market to be found in London.
@@markrangers1423 out of interest is there any part of London you think has declined the most? Eg Tower Hamlets?
@@masterbarnard definitely , but I’m selling a house in Stonebridge and my agent described the area as an apocalypse today
My mum was from Stonebridge
Gary, it’s about the rate of immigration, not immigration in of and of itself. Inequality is the main issue, but excessive immigration substantially contributes to inequality. Pushes down wages and increases rents and house prices, benefiting the rich.
You'll see the wages won't go up, even without immigration. You'll then have to find another scapegoat.
@@franklingoodwin Wages clearly would go up relative to housing costs - why do you think they wouldn't? Whats hard about this?
@@alexanderrowe790 When was the last time your wages went up as much as your housing costs? What's are you on about? Wages are remaining stagnant and the prices of everything is increasing. That's not because of immigration
@@franklingoodwin Increased supply of workers, increased demand for houses
I think it's because bosses will pay the lowest salaries they can. Look at Jeff Bezos he didn't get wealthy by paying his workers a decent wage! I never buy through Amazon.
A thought experiment regarding skilled immigrants. Example, nurses.
1/ Why do we need to import nurses?
- "Well, it's because we don't have enough native-trained nurses."
2/ Alright, so there are two options in response to that:
- a) We invest our own nation's time and money to train our own native people. This is the responsible, sustainable option.
- b) We "steal" nurses from foreign countries, giving them jobs instead of our own people.
The upsides to option b) are that:
- We don't have to train the people we nick from other countries, saving ourselves money in the short term.
- Possibly, we can pay these foreign nurses less.
- Possibly, they bring in novel expertise absent from our own nurses, which they can teach to our native nurses.
But the downsides of option b) are many-fold:
- We're not training our own, so perhaps we lose the skills and capacity to train our own, creating a permanent dependency on foreigners.
- They might send remittances abroad, taking money out of the country instead of cycling it back into local communities. Same for their savings.
- If and when these foreign nurses return to their homelands, we lose their skills and expertise for training the next generation. ( Assuming we wanted to do that. )
- We now have native people who WOULD have trained as nurses if they had the opportunity, but they don't, as they are priced-out, or the opportunities are not given in the first place.
- The foreign nurses' country of origin is depleted of its own nurses because we're luring them here, creating a potential injustice abroad.
In conclusion, a limited number of foreign nurses with novel skills would be useful in teaching. However, the responsible state solution to "not enough native nurses" is to stop making excuses and "train enough native nurses". Part of the problem is a globalised attitude to labour undercutting, impoverishing, and replacing our own people. That sort of behaviour is treason by the state against the people, which is rightly why it's annoying.
The same is true for native birth rate. The proper solution is "do what it takes to raise the native birth rate" and not the globalist attitude of "just replace the native population, which is dying off, with immigrants". That is also treason, which is annoying.
Now... why oh why, do you imagine, having read the above... are people voting for Reform?! It's because people are sick and tired of Parliament committing treason against the people, and the tricky part has been electing people who won't actually commit treason against the people!
As Gary has so rightly pointed out, the Tory-Labour Uniparty isn't democratic, it's the perfect capture of power by a select group of people who serve the rich. We saw Labour do this in 2008 bailing out the boys in The City, we saw the Tories carry that legacy on up until today. From 1997 to today, we've had the Uniparty. A perfect continuity of people in Parliament screwing the people, following the principal of "Privatized Profits, Socialised Losses!".
With this election, by current projections, we'll get a Starmer continuity government continuing the Blairite policies of screwing the people over. With a super-majority, no less. ( The Tories may be virtually wiped out. ) Reform may well become the main opposition.
So, given what I fully expect Labour to do in power, expect a Reform government in five-to-six years time.
Dependency on foreign labour...sums it up...
It's almost as though we should keep the immigrants and get rid of the rich who bribe corrupt politicians?
You realise we can do both? It takes years to get nurses domestically trained and their is simply not enough, so we can get lots of immigrant NHS workers for right now and begin investing encourage natives to become nurses so within a couple of years you will have more domestic nurses and some immigrants to help out
@@StrikeBolteafc We have to do both, so we did - at least at first.
Then the ruling class realised you could stop training nurses here, pocket the cash, then weaponise the fact that so many immigrants are coming over.
You only seem to care about the economics, the money, there is more to life than that.
What about cultural and social issues?
What about democracy?
What about the vast majority of indigenous Brits.not wanting immigrantion but having it forced on us regardless?
We are not being told that immigrants are causing us to not be able to pay our bills. The mass influx is however putting pressure on civic services, the government purse and leading to social tensions as a result of a lack of integration.
I don't know how you could introduce a wealth tax. The world is a rich person's playground, and if it's less fun to play here, they will go somewhere else. A wealth tax would have to be introduced in the majority of countries simultaneously in order for it to work. That would never happen.
Irrespective of Gary's opinions which are very sensible, immigration is too high. No country in the world can cope with the rate and size of change, it's very simple. Nothing , absolutely nothing wrong with points based , skills migration and visa granted for asylum, truth of the matter is " immigration in this country is a disaster"
You won ww2, congratulations
What did we win?
Infinate immgration!
and?
they get to call you racist!
and?
they get to call your children racist!
and?
You're people will become a minority in their own country!
and?
you vanish from history forever!
It sounds like we didn't win WW2...
Immigration is going to have to increase though regardless of your points system. As climate change increases in severity whole parts of the world will become inhospitable. The people from there will have to go somewhere.
@@PaulStargasm Climate change is bs, remember when thry described it as global warming?
So not all Gary's opinions are sensible then, because he thinks mass third world immigration is just fine.
@@jive499 I like him but he I assume pretends to be about the common man but he is a leftie. Immigration since 1948 jas been done at the expense of our working class and our social cohesion. Multiculturalism with very little review clearly is damaging to the poor of the country as it not only destroys their ability to bargain for higher wages but also destroys something priceless, their social cohesion.
What is the point in being English, if you have to welcome millions of people into your homeland, it means nothing.
My take on this. i don't believe the issue is caused by immigration but to combat that we need to show with data that this isn't the case. They might not listen to the data. But opinion vs. opinion won't work.
You were very fact based when it came to the numbers on economy and COVID. you need to do the same on immigration
He won't because it goes against his Left narrative. 750k people coming into the UK every year is madness but as he is on the left he will sit on the fence and not say whether he supports or is against it. He is remaining neutral which is the best he can do. If he said he supported 750k people coming in, the people watching this channel would go ... "eh!?". So this is the next best thing. The broken record of"I am against inequality". Ok yes very noble, sounds good. Virtue signal received, but you are not addressing an obvious problem with immigration.
The problem with the whole argument is it's boiled down to:
1. All immigration is terrible
2. All immigration is fantastic
And of course there are some people who think this way, but they are at the extremes of the argument.
There is a sliding scale of how much and what type of immigration.
A lot of people see a world (and I tentatively include the EU in that) which is in a mess through the likes of war, climate change, oppression etc and with that a lot of people who see the west as the solution to their and their families problems so they not surprisingly would like to move there.
The nuance to this goes back to the sliding scale - how much immigration should there be each year to the UK.
The impact is usually shown as immigration is good because of the positives to the economy, but there are other impacts including services, housing, impact to the environment, and food and energy security. Immigration without a doubt impacts those things and unless this is knowledged and a plan as to how this is managed people will be concerned.
I really like the thoughts of Gary, and agree about taxing the rich, but this video completely ignores the nuisance. It was not worth making.
Data? Well, here's data for blind leftists:
Divide the number of houses in the UK by the number of ppl. That's your data. Now, to make sum favourable you can ONLY play with two variables, do you understand? (I'm a legal immigrant btw).
Say NO to illegal immigration.
Ppl blame immigrants for everything all over the world. Not just the western world.
@GrimUpNorth’s comment is spot on, in my opinion. Mass immigration in a short period is obviously going to contribute to a stress on our services and infrastructure and therefore is absolutely a valid issue that requires some level of resolution.
I think Gary is right in that immigration is not the primary reason for the cost of living issues but it certainly does contribute.
I don’t agree with the language Gary and many of the mainstream politicians use about Reform inferring that they directly blame the immigrants personally - they don’t and no one is saying kick existing immigrants out. (Ignoring a few that do have extreme views).
Reducing immigration won’t solve the fundamental problem but it may well help the country get some stability and allow the more fundamental issues to become more apparent.
Proportional representation - Absolutely!
Between the years 1997-2011, European migrants were +£4bn positive contributors to the economy.
Non-Europeans were a £118bn net drain to the economy.
Native British people are minorities in our own cities, with Albanians, Muslims and African groups committing hugely disproportionate rates of violent crime.
The grooming gangs are the biggest CSE scandal in our nation's history - with young working class/vulnerable White girls targeted for the most horrific abuse by foreign men.
But thats not a problem if you have millions like Gary, then you dont live in these invaded areas.
Agree
The working class earns by selling their time / labour for wages. Importing large number of humans (i.e. 'immigration') that can sell the same time / labour will push wages downwards or at least stop it from growing. Gary needs to address the fact that the rich often favour immigration in order to pay workers less, even if they don't directly hire the immigrants themselves because the mere downward pressure on wages is good enough to benefit all employers in general.
I am an immigrant myself in the UK and whilst I completely agree with you are saying, immigration is a problem especially socially when some immigrants don’t want to intergrate. The reason immigration is high it’s because it’s a side product of luck of investment into the nhs and the working class. The only way you tackle immigration is by investing in the working class and the nhs then they won’t be need to import labour from abroad, however all parties focus on immigrants without focusing on what causes it to raise in the first place.
Exactly mate. Gary is looking at immigration through a narrow lens.
@@msr00001 I think he’s looking at it from an economic point of view which he is right because stopping it won’t fix any issues. However socially you can’t deny that immigration is an issue in the united kingdom but also you can’t blame everything wrong in the uk due to immigration
All parties say that want to deal with immigration, making little changes here and there to grab headines, while we've seen over the last few decades that the government will find ways to being in 'private partners' to make money from the essentials of immigration.
@@AJamal-yj6nl you’re right but as you mentioned, there has been a lack of investment in the working class. The conservatives got rid of the requirement for businesses to advertise job vacancies in the UK first before looking to sponsor visas. This only serves corporations as they can now import the person willing to do the job for the lowest price. British workers are competing against the global population for roles here in the UK - that doesn’t sound like a policy that’s in the interest of hard working Brits. Essentially, it boils down to the government prioritising multinational corporations over the British people.
We arnt even bringing in the right immigrants anyway, we have a shortage of NHS staff, a shortage of construction workers. But accounting wages hmmmmm they are a bit low I wonder why???
Immigration is one of many problems facing working class along with wealth inequality. Chinese as one example have a 52% employment rate, of that 52% about 280k are "employed" as landlords making up 10% of landlords in the UK which is a 100% increase from 4 years ago.
On the housing issue we have 24m dwellings to house 70m people, 6m less than France with same size population. Even if a party came forward to start building houses tomorrow it would take decades to catch up to where we need to be. We also have the lowest available space per person in Europe at just 0.8 acres per person. Again compare to France who have 2.7acres per person.
The myth that they make up a large proportion of vital services is nonsense too. Migrant workers in NHS 260k 17% construction 190k 9% farming agriculture 75k 17% (these are mostly seasonal workers who do not stay permanently ) yet migrants make up nearly 20% of the population so we are not better off.
You cannot compare todays immigration levels to that of years ago. Windrush for example was 500k migrants over the span of 15 years so roughly 33k per year where we are now at over 1 million a year. Have a look on ONS at migrant employment rates and everyone coming from outside Europe have employment rates below national average.
Ban foreign home ownership and benefits and then we'll end up with only the migrants who will come to help us rather than just to take. The numbers would drop drastically.
Property aren’t economic growth they very dangerous to property because money is parked in bricks and taken out from economy. Rich love to park money 💰
Im ethnic (pubjabi heritage). The problem with immigration is that at the moment its a large number of low skilled workers. If you changed it to a low number of high skilled workers, who had high paid jobs n paid a tonne of tax, i think it would stop being such an issue.
We do not need more deliveroo drivers/ kebab shop workers/barbers/drug dealers.....
Go to the third world and recreuit their best and most able, rather than the random syatema we have at the moment
Or introduce 5y worker visas by which you cannot gain/claim citizenship (like UAE has)
It’s the sense that politicians hate white people too. Immigration is ok but it’s the issue also is community cohesion which is going to get worse as demographics shift.
Labour and conservatives - two cheeks of the same backside!
God, humility is refreshing: “I don’t know how to stop it”, that is a tasteful conclusion
One way to stop it, imo, is to honestly, openly and fully address it. While I think almost everyone would accept Gary's argument that inequality is the biggest driver of societal dissatisfaction, immigration has been increasing in recent years, just as populations have been growing. This has meant that it has become a more visible problem.
My sister who is pretty apolitical lives in Dublin and has recently mentioned that she doesn't like to go to the centre of town anymore at night because it feels less safe with large numbers of foreign men hanging around. My friend in NZ said that his aunt in Dublin, also pretty apolitical, complained recently of the tents seen on the streets housing immigrants. This has come at the same time that there's a massive housing shortage in Ireland caused by a lack of central planning. Immigrants have undoubtedly exasperated this problem, but the govt and most media have tried to sweep it under the carpet. The people mostly affected by this are also those at the lower end of the ladder.
Gary also says they are trying to divide us by race and gender. To take gender the people leading the gender critical charge that come to mind most readily are Graham Linehan, Kellie Jay Keen, JK Rowling and Helen Joyce. These are not some secret/powerful cabal that could be termed an ominous "they", they are just a collection of individuals who feel that women's rights are threatened when biological males can assume the same rights as women. They don't spread their message in order to divide people, they do so because they think it's an issue that can cause societal problems that is being hushed up in order to be progressive.
So, while I think Gary has identified the biggest social problem, I think he dismisses immigration too easily. I for one would be very interested for him to show me why my analysis is wrong, or to find it correct and suggest ways to resolve it alongside reducing inequality.
@@formulaic78 It's wrong because if immigrants are working then they are contributing to resources, not draining them. Therefore the problem is with how those resources are being distributed. Probably if immigration is too high at some point it can cause problems in terms of assimilating to the culture. But that's not strictly economic.
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@@ValQuinn isn't there a rather large assumption in what you wrote: if they are working.
Why is immigration such a sacred cow issue, if so many people want less immigration and that is what they vote for then why shouldn't they get it ? Why is immigration so special that it can't be voted on. I thought this was a democracy.
Also you say it's growing inequality, but why can't these things both be true ? The rich support immigration overwhelmingly. Immigrants are overrepresented among the rich. I think in a lot of schools like Oxford white brits are a minority.
You say you don't want to divide the working class and that you don't know what to do, but the working class supports less immigration. The answer is obvious. Why not reduce immigration and tax the rich ? Where does it say you can't. If anything the working class being focused on an issue like this that isn't inherently economic is a good thing.
Also you are vague on what actually happens if a "xenophobic" government wins.
I also disagree that white brits and non white immigrants face the same economic problems. Non white bris have all sorts of diversity programs to help them, many of them are asylum seekers which gives them so many benefits.
Having lived in London for a number of years…. It’s not the British buying up the property, owning the businesses or holding the high paying jobs in that city 😂. I myself was a foreigner and held a high paying job in the city.
I don’t understand how an economics channel can botch supply demand dynamics so poorly. Increase supply of labor, decrease price paid for labor and keep the inequality growing.
Its because he's not working class he is a champagne socialist. He preaches virtues, but not realities.
@@Serfdomftw he's not free to abandon this persona as it would impact his "grift" seriously
the personal branding of the Shoreditch socialist is this fake pretence of compassion and care on a very superficial level and no amount of deflection to "inequality" in abstract terms so it can then be redefined as anything that could/should/would be "done by the government" and the managerial class with ever more central powers
Mockney geezer Gary will never get your logic. He's been to Oxford and LSE, he's not a man from, or of, the people and it's sad many are conned.
"it's not the British buying up property... etc"
It's the Rich.
The people in those high earning roles coming to the UK aren’t the people that would be targeted by these immigration policies. We will continue to keep doors open for wealthy foreigners coming for education or wanting to buy property.
By your logic, we should stop wealthy immigrants coming in.
I find it ridiculous that there has to be this race to the bottom. Where is the role of legislation and law enforcement in stopping undercutting of wages. Why is peoples’ desperation blamed rather than the employers who take advantage of that desperation?
The reality this country desperately needs more labour- I work in the NHS and we are desperate for frontline workers, carers, lab techs, etc etc. we need construction workers, electricians, people working for public transportation and so much more. So I wonder why there is such a scarcity for jobs. I know less GPs and hospital doctors are being employed now than before, despite greater need. You need to ask why. Who is making profits from these disastrous decisions
How refreshing to hear someone on social media admitting, 'I just don't know what to do about this'. Nevertheless, an incisive and thought provoking vid. Thank you.
Stereotypes need disrupting. They're the labels that keep prejudice in place,
North v SouthEast - it's just as bad as ever, despite us being a quarter in C21, Gender stuff etc, making it even worse. Racial stereotypes etc. Sick of it
I don't think it's 'the problem' but it's 'a problem'. We need 500,000 houses a year just to keep up with immigration. Even if we did tax the rich more, inequality goes down and living standards go up; house prices will still go up.
I'm not sure why Gary is finding it so hard to say this.
500,000 houses per year would assume net migration is 2 million annually. Net migration is nowhere near that level.
@@VinoVeritas_ but there is already a massive shortage - you seen house prices?
@@GrimUpNorth_yt There are plenty of houses available across the UK for less than £100K. Minimum wage is £11.44 per hour now. So wherever you live, you'll never earn less than that.
Exactly as someone who's undecided on immigration because the numbers don't add up. You can't have record immigration and then claim it's not a problem. I got nothing out of this video other than "trust me bro"
I think it may help if you explained why you believe inequality is a bigger driver than immigration. Understanding an argument for how inequality is a bigger driver than immigration, especially one that provides counter points for common anti-immigration arguments, would allow people to discuss this meaningfully. As it stands, saying you don't believe that it's immigration doesn't tell us why we should agree with you - which is unfortunate, as it then becomes hard to rally behind what you are saying.
Totally agree. No substance to his opinion
I mean most of the comments section have found a pretty solid opinion which is 'wealth inequality is the main issue but immigration is also another issue'. So we don't really need his help to tell us that
He has done that in most of his other videos
Why is it this country that immigrants come to legally and illegally don’t leave then fight for whatever cause ,could they not do that at home why us ,loads of people are not interested they have enough on their plate I know I do ,thousands of pounds I have paid over the years in tax and very little to show ,help begins at home.
Yeah, didn't really address the immigration issue at all.
The UK's population has grown by 10 million since 2000. This is putting massive pressure on house prices and rental costs. Without this level of immigration, homes would have been much more affordable. You need to be more honest about this. We are a small country, with limited land and resources, and we cannot keep importing more and more people.
I think something that doesn't get considered much is the split between towns and countryside. I live in the country and people sometimes say about how immigrants are taking all the houses. But there's no immigrants here! It's just white British people. Immigrants go to cities, where new houses get built. The only immigrants we have here are the ex Gurkha who has run a small shop here for 20 years and a few doctors, ro replace all the British ones who've buggered of to Australia because they get paid better there and the weather isn't miserable all the time. But I feel like Reform will do really well here because people don't think about it that way, they just don't have a house and then get upset over statistics like the one you pointed out here.
This is so accurate for Australia too. The housing crisis is blamed on immigration. I’m an English teacher and my career is now scrapped because the government has pulled the plug on foreign students but we need the foreign students to keep our higher education running and those students work the service jobs that no one else wants to do locally. So now, not only can I not afford a house, I have no stable career, colleges are limiting education and I can’t get service in a shop. Brilliant! Meanwhile the ultra rich buy their tenth investment property and Jack up the cost of everything. It’s the same the world over. It feels like that WEF great reset thing is really happening
My husband had a sole trader business since the 80s and his wages went down because ppl from Europe were undercutting his job estimates...no question....
That's the market deciding.
The market selects based on efficiency, quality of innovation. Flooding a market with labour due to government policy is not free market economics.
Your husband's business likely offered higher quality, but when people have less money, they prioritize cost over quality. European competitors just filled the gap in the market for those who couldn't afford it or didn't want to pay more. Plus when people have more spending money that just means more customers overall.
As a sole trader your husband didn't have a business, he had a job and I'm sorry his income suffered from the devaluation of the pound, caused by QE and fractional reserve lending but it wasn't immigrants. It was government economic policy.
It's a timely reminder that competing on price will always hurt you because someone will always do it cheaper when times get tough.
@@barneydennis7576 exactly, and this pattern plays out on all scales of industry, from cleaners and handymen to large government military contracts and council spending. If you know the more expensive bid really will deliver, then you may well buy that one. But its very hard to look at a well meaning cheaper bid amidst budget cuts and cost of living crisis' and not go for the cheaper option
Immigration on the scale we’ve seen *does* impact housing though.
Dismissing and calling anyone who mentions it racist or xenophobic is precisely the problem.
Acknowledging it’s an issue but that it’s just one of multiple factors and having an honest conversation about it is the only remedy.
The question is to what degree? Are the 80% of housing issues caused by immigration? Or are they caused by laws in place to specifically limit the production of housing to artificially Keep supply low.
In the USA this same argument was made about Mexicans when in reality, majority of all housing was built and maintained by these Mexican. I believe the UK had the same dynamic with Poles.
Don't fall for wealthy people literally signing in laws to keep you poor trick you into thinking Janek or José down the street is the reason you can't get a house. This is divide and conquer
The question is, the people on boats with no wealth or the 'investors' that buy up all the property?
You know what really is the issue with housing? The lack of a verb to describe said housing....
@@Zeeno don’t think its an either or, both work in tandem but at the moment building no new infrastructure and housing whilst having record net migration certainly doesn’t help. You could obviously change the planning laws which would have a huge impact but barring technology that could build on a rapid scale having 600k+ net migration year on year amongst the already lack of housing/infrastructure wouldn’t help the issue.
100%. The default setting with this issue and Brexit is to scream racist. Whenever a logical fallacy such as an ad hominem is employed then you're over the target. For Gary to call it immigration rather than what it is, ILLEGAL MIGRATION, is entirely intentional I believe. Why has his channel been pushed so heavily recently?
There is a lack of cheap housing (and the ability for normal people to afford them). Limiting immigration might free up a few houses but it also has a huge impact on the countries ability to function (filling vacancies in the public and private sector) and be productive - it basically _costs_ a huge amount of money. Capitalism requires a working class and right now the UK is getting old (and a bit useless).
I really do agree that all these topics such as immigration, gender, ideology, anything. We’re all working class and all this is to keep us divided, keep us away from the real problem. The elites are getting richer and we’re getting poorer.
Was waiting for this question to be answered 😊
o/seas buyers of UK residential real estate are not immigrants. Stopping those sales and prohibitively taxing empty homes already sold to o/seas buyers (and domestic owners of empty homes) might help. No?
GREAT comment!
Would make a massive difference. There’s almost as many empty homes as there are homeless people so you’re spot on.
Agreed, look at the people who became homeless as a result of the Grenfell Tower fire in an area surrounded by empty property owned by people who live overseas. It's immoral, to say the least. Then you add in the effect of AirBnB across the country, as well as holiday 'homes', which have also taken out a lot of places to live. The issue of places to live is NOT a shortage of property, but an issue of access.
Absolutely agree. We should be taxing ownership that is not providing any benefit to the country. If someone buys a home or commercial property and is not using it, the tax should be sky high. Imagine buying a shop and leaving it empty while the other businesses on the same road work to improve the reputation of the area, why should the owner of the empty shop benefit from the increased value when they have done no work, just speculation.
As far as I know it's a complete myth that there are a significant number of empty homes, regardless of who owns them. Research was commissioned a few years ago into the idea that flats in new tower blocks in London were being left empty by their overseas buyers, and it was found to be untrue. It was an illusion created by the fact that there's a couple of years gap between building completion and it filling up with residents. (Just done a quick google, apparently 0.25 out of 29.9 million homes in the UK are long-term empty, which is 0.8%, so less than 1 in 100. I think that counts as insignificant.)
Reminder: 10 million added to the population in the last 20 years. Living standards are deteriorating because wages are being suppressed and housing becoming constrained.
Without those 10 million the working age population would be 10 million smaller, leaving the tax to be paid by the working age people, much much higher.
@@IanMossManchesterif you think 10m are all working that’s mental.
@@IanMossManchester ok lets increase immigration then. lets bring in 5 million every year - for 10 years. and see what happens.
@@IanMossManchester - Immigration increases each year and yet we’re increasingly worse off.
@@ewanhill677 but that’s not because of immigration, immigration means you have more labour force… use your brain dude
Gary the scale is the issue. Net Immigration must permanently go to between 50,000 to 100,000 per year for the next decade or the UK is doomed. The Housing Industry capacity is to build at best 220,000 homes per year. Last couple of years has been around 750,000 net immigration. So right there illustrates the practical problem. Yes there's planning reforms needed blah blah blah. But the crux of so many issues is the 10 million net extra people who have come into the UK in the last 25 years. Infrastructure cannot keep up. NHS - no matter how much extra money it gets - cannot cope wth the influx. Absurd student visa rules where a student can bring dependents like their parents just further illustrate the broken of the system. It's not about race or religion. It's about scale. Those on the economic left - as I am - need to see this issue clearly as it is the major obstacle to getting better pay and conditions for workers. It's the reason why we cant get education and training right to get local people into the roles they want, in their communities. They'd rather import than train. It's the reason why we are always 'playing catchup' in every social endeavour. You are not a Racist because you notice that the scale is off the chart and must come down.
Finally, The UK - and England in Particular - is a very small geographical country. Farmland and wildlands should not be paved wth cheap, crap housing to provide accomodation for an endless supply of cheap labour and dependents. Somebody show me an argument against what i've just said? England is about to overtake the tiny Netherlands as the most overcrowded country in Europe. I just despair how the big corporates, big media and activist left alike have managed to make people think they're a racist to question immigration. It's a terrible state of affairs.
Gary - redistribution of wealth will not make everyday British people feel like they're not losing their country. The one other elephant in the room is assimilation and integration. Too many people in too small space of time means these newcomers will just tend to congregate in ares with their cultural demographic. Again, it's not Racist to point out that certain parts of some town and cities have no indigenous Britons, or very few. This is anathema to the multicultural society the UK is meant to constitute. Balkanisation is a real threat. We need to champion 'Britishness' and that means the British values that built the fair and pleasant society - that built the former greatness of Britain. If anyone disagrees with my think i'd be glad to be pursaded otherwise by sound logic and reason?
I totally agree, I think people are so confused because of lies and corruption that they are lost. It's so sad for the future of this country.
People are just fed up with it, regardless of the economics. People are sick with the sense that their home culture is being faded out as more foreign unintegrated cultures, languages and religions become more and more dominant up and down the country. An economic pro immigration argument is just not going to land with people that feel it is wiping out their heritage and culture.
The Globalists don't care for sentiment. They have everyone running scared.
Correct. He's always avoided telling the truth, he's done it here, and he's lost credibility by confirming he will continue to avoid the biggest issue of our time.
I am not sure what Gary is getting at. If there is not enough more to go around then thousands of illegal spongers is not going to help the situation. That's before we address the cultural issues.
@@leesunited3327 Yep, of course he knows it but pretends it's not an issue when it's the biggest issue of our time. This video has just helped confirm that he's a chippy far left marxist. Mask off.
You should set up a tax the wealth petition Garry , so that as soon as labour get into power we put pressure on them from the get go.
I’m sure you could get some attention for the cause by having tax the wealth rallies.
Maybe even organising a concert ( party in the park)
Maybe it’s time to make as much noise about wealth tax as the media do about immigration!
As our next MP is most likely to be from the labour party, I read the manifesto ahead of meeting him tomorrow. Whilst "tax the rich" isn't included in the 130+ pages the actual policies outlined therein will begin to do just that. I'll be pressing for them to go further. Here's hoping.
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This is a brilliant idea!! We could just start this ourselves and ask Gary and others to support it!
@@perrymason866 it would make more noise if Garry created the petition after writing a book on the subject but would be really cool to get same big names together and make NOISES!
Things only get done by making noise
As we can see by the coverage that Nigel Farage gets and the noises he makes. Now the media will never give that kind of attention to tax the wealth but we can gain attention by making our own noise and by getting as many people as possible to make some noise. Tax the Wealth is a popular policy it just needs a bit of energy behind it.
@@timwoodger7896 fair points! Hope Gary sees this and gets it going.
Problem with proportional representation is it gives a voice to more extremist parties on both sides. The two party system exists to ensure the country is never radicalised.
For someone who has the word economics in their page title, he doesn't know much about economics. Sure, immigration isn't the only problem, but it is driving 85% of population growth and new household formation. Net migration alone has increased total household formation by around 600,000 over the past two years. If you strip that out, it increases rental vacancy rates by over 2%, and gets the market back to frictional levels. Rents would have been relatively stable under those conditions. There's no way supply can keep up with this sort of trend, particularly given the majority of net migration is now students and dependents, most of whom are net tax recipients. And yes, the type of immigration matters. Over 72% of Somali households are living in social housing, a 4x increase relative to the broader population. Working class Brits being laughed at by the Labour/Tory uniparty.
The problem is not immigration perse. Its mass, low skilled (which includes educational attainment) immigration that's the issue.
Low skilled, low IQ, immigrants fill lower rung jobs. The very jobs which traditionally were used as a starting employment by brits. And due to the larger pool of potential employees, wages are kept low. The employers have the ability to offer low wages, rather than the workers demanding higher pay. Which in the current high cost of living Britain, is driving people standards of living down.
Low pay employees also have to rely on top ups through state benefit intervention. Which have to be paid through higher taxation on everyone.
Now, if for example, only immigrants which had employment in the higher rate tax bracket were allowed. High skilled jobs would still be filled. And those workers would not be needing state benefit intervention.
Low skill "starting" jobs would be readily available for Brits to easily get working, and those jobs would have to be paid a decent sustainable wage, which would also reduce the reliance on state benefit intervention.
Thus, the tax burden could be reduced.
And, the benefit of the reduction in tax burden, along with lower infrastructure demand, is that a continually rising "minimum wage" would not be required to be set by government. And that is a major driving force behind both the tax burden, and the rising costs of goods and services.
I don't know why people are claiming immigrants are highly skilled...tbh all I see them doing locally is Deliveroo riding or taxing driving...we don't need them sorry
@@keithparker1346 exactly. The High skilled are working in London financial markets, or high up in big companies such as design engineers etc. But very few of them are coming from countries with an average IQ below 80.
Those immigrants are the ones on scooters, hanging around streets, dealing drugs, stealing, or working in distribution and fulfillment warehouse.
If we changed our behaviours to stop ordering in takeaway delivery, and online shopping. And go back to going to takeaway in person, and shopping in stores, then the distribution and fulfillment warehouses, and scooter delivery, wouldn't be there to fill with migrants.
I am unsure why you dont consider immigration "imported inequality" and so be interested in adressing it.
Its certainly not the casue of problems, but it is directionally a problem.
interesting.
I think refer to Gary's "burning money" video. Sure, if you increase the number of poor people coming, that increased inequality, but then just makes the case for redistribution stronger.
Ok, here is how I explain it: Inequality makes life unaffordable and is what drives low birth rates. Low birth rates drive up the average age of the population. A lot of work can only be done by younger people and someone has to pay tax for the boomer retirement. If people did have enough kids to keep everything running these kids would need jobs and housing too.
There are better reasons not to like immigration. Lack of assimilation is the biggest problem. I don't know about Britain but 30+ years ago here in the Netherlands people went to the pub 7 days per week. They drank tea, read the news paper, have social interactions. Want a job? Go to the pub. Want employees? Go to the pub. This should have been the factory of immigration. You can learn the language, ask questions, debate politics and philosophy. You cant afford it now, the building is to expensive, they have to make money from visitors every hour.
The main factor in lower birth rates is women’s education.
There are many factors which have ruined the UK, population increase and lets not pretend it has has contributed to low wages first from the influx of EU nationals undercutting locals , high property prices and poverty. Succesive Governments going back to the late 1980's have driven out and closed down industry in favour of the city and service jobs and well paid working class jobs with it. I grew up in Wales and started an apprenticship in a factpry as an electrician, in my area which is semi rural there were so many factories and each year these factories would take on hundreds and hundreds os apprentices with jobs at the end of it , those days are gone now. In these factories even the lowest paid could afford a house , a family where the wife didn't work , a car and a holiday each year. ALL this has been destroyed by Blair /Brown and every government since. I count myself very fortunate to own outright a 2 up 2 down terrace house which I worked long long hours to pay for , My Children won't be so lucky. I Will not be voting Tory or Labour but Reform as from my point of view Tories and Labour have killed off the well working class Jobs compunded by ridiculous green net zero agenda which costs us dear, a simplified view I know.
I was looking for Gary to provide an economic analysis to refute the argument on immigration here but I didn’t get it. As a traditional Tory voter who has now switched to Labour and seriously considering voting Green, as a direct result of watching this channel, I’m behind the main premise of tax the genuinely rich, but if you’re going to make a video on immigration then it needs to address the factors that were raised and not just bring it back to inequality.
He won't make the argument because he can't because the facts aren't on his side.
The point is that all the things you think are because of immigration are actually because of inequality. They're net contributors.
Just vote reform. They may not decrease inequality. But if immigration isn't sorted the future will be bleak regardless of what else is done.
Reform won't do what needs to be done but will hopefully pave the way for a party which will@@Daniel-py6rd
Came here to say this. He needs to do another video.
Gary, it’s not as black and white as it’s either inequality or immigration. I’ve always thought of myself as belonging to the political centre-left but Sweden is a case study of open immigration: increased gang violence, increased murder rate, education quality is collapsing, debt rising due to increased resources being allocated to the immigrants.
Agree with the inequality issue, I believe in bringing in immigrants both those who are needy and skilled workers but while the right is using it as fear-mongering, the reasons behind it are not wrong.
You are an example of an intelligent and level headed person, with sensible views on immigration, if only all reform voters we're like you.
They come to work, they are contributing to society which in turn is increasing productivity. We must draw a line though when the borders simply must close. Why must we seek doctors and nurses from abroad when there are Great minds born and bred here? Don't get it it's a concept people don't grasp that while I'm certainly not against different cultures, what's wrong with a British doctor? What's wrong with it? Why can't they portray more british doctors, world leaders in our fair country? British values are being forgotten and undermined. You must be careful with immigration, because it can begin to sound like you're an enemy to the country when you can't comprehend just how big this problem has gotten. Fear mongering? No, you need to take a look outside your house and see what a consequence it is having on A&E. On bills, on rent on everything because it all boils down to how many use the electric. How many use and own a flat who's not from Britain originally and has come over previously. Not suggesting in any way we send them back, they are here now, but point remains is how much longer can it go on?
*How* is the "education quality [] collapsing, debt rising due to increased resources being allocated to the immigrants" ?
Agreed. I don't think mass immigration is the number 1 cause of collapsing living standards, it might not even be in the top five BUT I do think it is a factor and it is a very VISIBLE factor thats easy to rally people around compared to explaining complex economics.
Why is immigration such a sacred cow issue, if so many people want less immigration and that is what they vote for then why shouldn't they get it ? Why is immigration so special that it can't be voted on. I thought this was a democracy.
Also you say it's growing inequality, but why can't these things both be true ? The rich support immigration overwhelmingly. Immigrants are overrepresented among the rich. I think in a lot of schools like Oxford white brits are a minority.
You say you don't want to divide the working class and that you don't know what to do, but the working class supports less immigration. The answer is obvious. Why not reduce immigration and tax the rich ? Where does it say you can't. If anything the working class being focused on an issue like this that isn't inherently economic is a good thing.
Also you are vague on what actually happens if a "xenophobic" government wins.
I also disagree that white brits and non white immigrants face the same economic problems. Non white bris have all sorts of diversity programs to help them, many of them are asylum seekers which gives them so many benefits.
Thank you for editing the closed captions
Hey Gary, I was wondering if you could make a video on the Bradbury pound and interest free money, how central banking works & debt. I’m trying to wrap my head around how that all works and it would be good to see you break it down. I’ve seen that the UK pays £110b servicing the debt which is crazy
@Disturban I only know one little bit of this. Government appoints economists to tell them to put interest rates up to reduce inflation. Too bad we then have to pay more in debt on housing or any kind of debt and through taxes for national debt (and by the way the pound goes up so factories close). That's the conventional wisdom that you see reported on telly as though it was completely uncontroversial.a
Are you following so far? No, me neither. I mean in the 1970s, the oil price went up because people abroad wanted to charge us more for oil. The answer would seem to be to make-do with less oil or to find alternatives, which is a kind of engineering problem and details-of-market problem, but no: we got higher interest rates.
I don't think I'm helping here: I had better stop typing!
The sector I work in has become saturated with candidates due to immigration, mainly from the subcontinent. The firms love it because it has driven down wages for staff they can just hire and fire and know there will always be another willing to sweat blood for even lower wages (which also contributes to employers treating us all as disposable). I earn around the same I did 10 years ago despite being more experienced and skilled. I 100% agree there are multiple factors at play and not just foreigners, but when some say immigration is not a factor or just avoid the topic, it's an ideological stance/ bias going on more than anything else. You see it in there video here when Gary alludes to Fascism (implying mass murder of foreigners) and an anti-immigration stance. I fully appreciate Gary and what he has to say so definitely not pooh-poohing him. Imo, if the indigenous working classes can or cannot be trusted with ethnocentrism is a different debate and probably worth keeping away from expressing bias on.
Immigration is the salient issue right now but not the right question.
Why do we need immigration in the first place? why?
Because birth rate are low.
'Why are birth rate across the industrialised world low?'
That is the right question.
Correct, because the people need Jesus, not Mercedes benz.
Immigration to boost low? birth rates assumes we should have a growing population or stable population. What's wrong with a temporary declining population?
@@user-lh5kn8tv4f Are you trolling?
@ekay4495 no am not trolling.
Question was why are birth rates so low. Answer is because people don't believe in God anymore, they believe in materials of the modern world, hence my above mentioned comment
Yes, I was hoping for some nuance for Gary but was sadly left disappointed. I know he wants to tax the rich, I think we get that message loud and clear.
What do you think of georgism as an economic model for taxation?
Question: If Luxembourgs basic wage was 5 times that of the U.K. basic wage and their own people didn’t want to work in the fields or care sector wiping backsides. How many of our own “lazy, work shy” population would flood into that country and start overwhelming the infrastructure?
It’s not just economic. People want to keep their culture, their community, their country, their way of life. It’s not just economics!
You can maintain your culture and your way of life even when you live among people who have different cultures. You many even learn to appreciate them. Don't listen to the haters.
@@margaretmcnamee6411 That's what you say when you spend your time reading guardian articles rather than living in real life.
No one is coming for your culture. People just want to live and do their thing.
Not for a far left marxist like him it isn't. Being ethnically and culturally replaced by people nothing like you is fine by him. Apparently they're our comrades in the struggle against the bourgeosie. I'm sure the victims of Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale etc would agree.
@@benjohnson6251 But that doesn't matter if your area is dominated by different cultures. Your culture will be pushed out eventually. You just need to stroll through some places in London.
I respect Gary, I really do especially with inequality etc but unfortunately I have to disagree with him on this.
1) I trained as a lorry driver in 2007 - 3 years or so later drivers from Romania and Poland came over and it caused our wages to go down to min wage. (Nothing against them coming and working for their family) but the government got it wrong. 0 hour contracts then started to come in too. A lot of British drivers then couldn’t afford to stay and left the industry… a few years later the government sent us HGV drivers letters in the post pleading for us to go back to work as the Romanians and polish went back home.
Then I retrained in counselling and housing and whilst being a support worker, immigration has made housing waiting lists extremely long, temp accom (hotels etc) all taken up and they are all foreign with a lot not even able to speak English. And this is just the surface. I have no problem with skilled migration (Australia for example) but the people in temp accom their children then over populate the local schools etc where I’ve had 3 families (just me) who can not get their children a place in school. I am in Wales and we are Labour, they have made a right mess of living standards. We can’t even get a doctors appointment due to the amount of people.
Again, I blame the government for not having a clue on how to manage things! I was supporting a family from Nigeria and honestly their child who had a serious illness found it very difficult to get an appointment in Cardiff (our capital) the family asked for my support with immigration to Australia of which they were denied, they waited 6months for an appointment. so yea too many people, not enough resources = inequality, cost of living, mental health etc etc.
Keep up the good work Gary your down to earth and relatible 👍🏻
Oh btw yes to taxing the rich 👍🏻👍🏻 they have had it too easy for too long
Support your own white working class English first mate
Don’t think that’s appropriate to be honest. Why White? My step brother is a Rasta and he’s a hard working black man, I don’t agree with racism yet alone warrant a reply to your comment.
My parents are both 65 and they've always listened to my thoughts about our country and what young people deal with. Where I'm from, the constituency has been Conservative since it was formed in 1983 (which is wild) but my parents have always supported Labour, and so have I until recently. The fact that they chose to support Labour, because they thought it was better for normal, working people, is really inspiring to me, and it also shows that different generations can agree.
I'm 77 and many years ago I saw a film--How Green Was My Valley--about a Welsh community when a slag heap inundated a town. I later read the novel. I applaud Gary's efforts to focus on the working class. Another great book I read was "The Making of the English Working Class by E.P Thompson which was a study of labor in Britain. I love what Gary is doing even tho I am an American. Where is our Gary when we need him here?
I am on the right (whatever that means anymore). How can it be fair when people, who are coming across the channel illegally are then housed in 5* Hotels or expensive rental accommodation whilst having meals provided, sending money, new phones, bikes, free heating, bed linin ect ect. And yet young people can't get on the housing ladder and working family's are struggling.
The illegals are also harming the genuine Refugees who want to come here legally and have no way of paying the gangs. I have no problem with legal immigration to plug holes in the jobs market but it has to be controlled. We cannot just ignore the reported £4b a year and rising costs involved and also where are these people going to live when Starmer grants them all leave to remain.
Why are you attacking the people who go through Hell and risk their lives trying to save themselves and their families, instead of attacking the elitle class that destabilises these regions and creates refugees. If you talked to a single refugee you’d realise that their life is far from the fairytale you’re describing.
Stop reading the bullshit in the papers, your comment is full of misinformation that is only written in those
@@jeongbun2386 Attacking? I am simply stating facts. Next time you bump into a Illegal ask them why they payed criminal gangs and risked their lives to come to the UK when they were perfectly safe in France. Get back to me.
Divide and Conquer as a strategy has worked for the ruling classes for ever, this is why all types of solidarity are discouraged, the reason Unions are repressed, the reason that we are encouraged to believe that we are entrepreneurial individuals, the reason Thatcher said "There is no such thing as society"
The reason the Socialists or those on the Left are constantly under attack is because their values are that a rising tide should lift all boats, we are stronger together, communities matter. I don't think that the majority of wealthy people would voluntarily give up their entitlements. Keep building your community Gary.
This.
My late father once told me a story about when the National Coal Board tried to flood the coal mines with cheap Italian labour, who were prepared to work for less than the British miner. The miners union, quickly responded, stating that if any Italian miner was to be employed, it would have to be on the same wages as the British miners, otherwise they would go on strike immediately, it threw the bosses. Guess what happened next? nothing, no Italian miner ever stepped foot in a British coal mine.
Of course they won't do it voluntarily.
We have to take it.
This would be true if immigration didn't help the rich. Don't you think an increase in population would lead to an increase in spending which would lead to an increase in inflation which would increase the prices for the poor and increase the assets of the rich? Don't you think increasing the supply of workers would lead to their value dropping, meaning they could be paid less? Why is it that the conservatives don't take advantage of the fact that majority of brit's dont want immigration but instead they increase? Is it possible that they are all bought by the same people??
As long as 40% of us do not believe a different 40% deserve to participate in our prosperity we will never unite to gain power, income and wealth over the 0.1%
Bigotry is what prevents citizen prosperity. Has nothing to do with economics, it is because many of us do not want others like us to have prosperity, so we all fail.
We've been fed total lies about the impact of immigration on Britain. We need to open up about immigration, have the truth in the open and the total myths overturned, become well informed, understand how important it is to the social health and common strength of Britain. And we need to learn how to empathise with people who are *different*
Always love hearing your insights in to these matters! Have you ever done or thought of doing a seminar or a get together?
Tbh immigration has become such a big problem because of places like Southall and Hounslow which make you feel like you've gone to the third world. People rightfully dont want their home becoming like that.
Those places have looked like the 3rd world (Mumbai/Delhi/Mogadishu) for the last 40 years
This. It’s not just because the media tell you that the immigrants are coming for your jobs and houses. When people walk into areas, where they can’t read the shop signs, and can’t understand what anybody is saying it can make people feel uncomfortable.
Sounds like an inequality problem not a migrants problem to me
@@VlogMaker-bm1dp by your logic then we should just let the rest of the country become a shit hole like Green Street in west ham for example. Import the third world and you’ll become the third world.
@@geoffdavids7647 Sounds like a racism problem to me....
It's a two part problem inequality of living and immigration over 3 million in the last 2 years
Labour needs to grow a pair.
- Tax the super rich.
- Don’t write censorship into their manifesto such as Blasphemy/Islamophobia laws.
What are the economic impacts from more people entering the country aged 20-30? Because it’s not nothing!
Demand on housing, inc rent, more competition on low paying/skilled jobs, higher demand for goods and services?
It’s not nothing.
Common enemies unite people. It’s a folk theory that goes back to ancient Sanskrit writings. The problem is that the rich make you think they are not your real enemies. They lure society into believing you can be one of them one day. That's their real genius strategy, and that's why people will never unite against them.
There's a famous political cartoon which perfectly illustrates this: Rupert Murdoch is sitting at the end of a table. A blue collar worker sits on either side. One is black, coded as immigrant. The other is white. The white worker has a plate in front of him with one cookie. Rupert Murdock has a plate in front of him overflowing with cookies. And the black worker has no plate. Rupert Murdock says to the white worker, "Careful mate, that guy wants your cookie"
What you're trying to say sounds an awful lot like "don't worry about being burgled because rich people exist". Not very sensible advice.
Then Rupert Murdock takes the guys cookie as rent collection and says 'whichever worker works the longest and hardest gets a cookie, the other gets nothing'.
@@alexanderrowe790 Rupert Murdoch is a billionaire media mogul who controls media in US/UK/Australia like FOX, and Sky. Billionaires are the problem, so they tell people immigrants are the problem. This trend became amplified after 2011, when both Left and Right had united with pitchforks against the billionaires and bankers who crashed the global economy in an orgy of fraud
@@alexanderrowe790 Art is interpretative, but it says a lot when your interpretation objectively vilifies the oppressed.
The cartoon omits the infinity bomalians preventing me getting my shoulder fixed.
You are the clearest voice in this space and I want to support this message however I can
Thanks for all you are doing.