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- THIS airport was COMPLETELY broken until we took DRASTIC measures... | Verde Beach 112
Hello everyone and welcome back to Verde Beach! Mulligan International is COMPLETELY broken and to fix it, we're going to have to take some drastic action to save it. If you've been struggling with airplane bunching or non-working Airports DLC airports, check this episode out where we discuss how to fix them. Enjoy!
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Hello Verde Beach! Your listening to The Daily Fire Starter, and I’m Andrew Hamilton! In top news, the city government has given the ok to revamp the island airport of verde beach! This would aid in more planes and better tourism. In minor news, a new movement for native Americans in the state of superior has taken storm in most cities, calling for new rights and better towns. You’ve been listening to the Daily Fire Starter, and I’m Andrew Hamilton. I’ll talk to you in the comments! Have a good day!
love this community
Telle why I read this in a radio hosts voice
Phil should definitely consider pinning you in all the videos mate haha
hey Hamilton can u shout me out
Haha
This sounds like Weasel News
It's so beautiful to see a flock of airplanes in their natural habitat.
Reading this with david attenbrough(?) voice
@@srrrb5953"the mighty birds took of on the migration to their majestic breeding grounds"
A flock of airplanes is called "a chaos!"
"Here, on the shores of Verde Beach, mighty flocks of airplanes gather, hundreds, if not thousands strong. Their impressive numbers can be seen crowded on the ground just as easily as circling the sky above. It is truly, one of natures greatest events." I've watched almost everything Sir David as done, except his TV shows from the 60s...
Such a beautiful specimen
Putting a tree in front of a air traffic control tower, might be a safety issue
i was going to say the very same thing. Putting a huge tree right next to ATC tower not only reduces visibility, but serves no purpose.
@@rogerg5681 I can see the ATC staff being into birdwatching.
@@salibajoseph if you think about it, they're basically just Industrial bird watchers.
Can we make the tower higher to see more?? Then the tree's are saftey features incase of fire :)
Ha... oops! Better get that removed!
Your subway system to the terminals should have an air gap from the city system to an airport system. Two terminals in the main terminal, one feeding in from the city where people would arrive, get ticketing check bags, go through security etc, the second to connect all the terminals
Presumably each terminal has redundant facilities. I know what you're thinking of, airports that have their own internal rail/underground systems connecting terminals, separate from the city public transport - but I've also been to airports (e.g. Tokyo Narita) with each terminal linked directly to the city rail network.... you take a different stop depending on which terminal your airline operates from.
Here in Frankfurt, Germany, there is a monorail connecting the terminals. It has separated carriages for the public and for passengers that already went through security.
@@simongeard4824 See also Heathrow, London
DC's two airports also have this situation (though DCA does not currently have an internal train/tram system - it's too small). Definitely needs to be an airgap to separate air-side from land-side.
Eh. Sfo has bart going straight into the terminal, and security is inside. Phoenix sky harbor has it's skytrain system and each terminal has its own security. It's really not uncommon for airports to have transit to the terminals and then you go through security as opposed to the other way around.
To cover up the square spots, I recommend you using the paved pedestrians paths so that they look like they are covered up
Phil, thanks for the laughs! The planes moving away was already funny but the moment I saw that air traffic above the airport I lost it. I actually laughed out so loud my neighbor came over to see what was so funny!
Same here 😂 so funny
Haha, glad that you enjoyed that, too!!
In regards to the landscaping… Orlando has plenty! Yes there are birds but usually it’s what you want to see upon arrival as you said. Also, that open field in the middle of the airport may be an opportunity for a water feature for the time being. Less landscape but still visually appealing.
+1 on the water feature, although they an be tough in vanilla
@@kenzothecornishTV agreed. I always forget VB is vanilla bc it’s done so well!
Bear in mind, Orlando's ATC tower is 300 feet tall
@@trottheblackdog yep! Always greets me when I return to my swamp! 😂
@@ClintJRobinson I was going to suggest the same... This is a great build, I wish we got vids more often for it
Just connect the "islands". your initial concept of the island was to allow flow to both runways; now that it is gone you should connect them and allow some more visual continuity :)
I was thinking either that or put some non functional taxiways. It's possible to flip the direction of the taxiways so they don't allow crossing between runways
Someone needs to give that ATC crew a raise 🤣
💯💯💯
30:09 You could connect the terminal in the middle to the main one instead of the farthest one and make two independent metro lines
✈ This flock is one of the best thing I saw in C:S. Sometimes this game's AI is way too good at making "art"
Be free, little planes!
@JLA Those flocks in temperate areas are often starlings, then they are called a murmuration of starlings. I don't know if/which tropical flocking birds also do murmurations.
Blackbirds are more solitary, just one couple plus their chicks per territory; which is why they sing so beautifully, to mark out their territory.
Not gonna lie, that intro made me scroll down to the description and comment section to check if there was an issue with your microphone recording before realizing that you were mimicking what a pilot's mic would sound like so good one CPP. Also the flock of planes was definitely a sight to behold.
✈️🛩️🛫🛬💺
Loved this episode, especially the air ballet put on by the airlines. You get the best airshows visiting Verde Beach!
And if you're really lucky you get to be in it!
Haha, it's one of a kind! Glad you enjoyed the episode, David!!
One thing that could be cool in the "field" area between the terminals would be to take some inspiration from HNL airport. They have a large outdoor botanical area with foliage from different regions with paths and rest areas.
You'd have to connect the two terminals to make it make sense, and the paths/park wouldn't be functional but it could be a really interesting project.
Great build as always!
Seeing the ports near the airport just makes me think that we need a ports and harbours DLC next
The plane jamming is from a lack of queuing space. When you reversed the loop direction, planes now have a lot of taxiway to queue on while they wait for their aircraft stand to open, meaning they block fewer gates when they need to queue. In the original config they would back out onto the runway, which stopped takeoffs, which led to deadlock.
I think the problem you're having with usage of the planes comes down to simple maths. You have around 24 stands that will each hold 100 people. You're trains, metros and cars can only supply so many people to the area. Attractiveness brings people in yes, but it can only do so much when you have capacity for 24,000 people on each turn. Especially since, DLC behaving, only 2 planes can land at any one time, including cargo. I love this build, it's beautiful and I've seen how much work has gone into it. But I think you've done the thing you always warn against - over building. You don't yet have the draw for 24,000 people so each plane is going to be 75% empty. Realistically a plane will fly at that capacity once or twice, but the airport would cut the flight entirely since it wouldn't pay for fueling and wages. This happens a lot where I am. Every mode of transport should be treated the same, you add buses or reroute lines when they are underproducing, the same should apply for airports. Realistically this airport has gone bankrupt because no one will continue to invest in a three terminal cargo and passenger airport with only 1,400 passengers. You only need 14 planes. Again I love this build, but this has stood out to me since I watched the original build when I was binge watching Verde Beach.
100% agree. Thought I was the only one thinking this.
Fair point! I'm going to do a bit of playing around with this off camera to see how removing aircraft stands impacts utilization. I can't believe I didn't think about this in the way that you did!
This is the one time where on a vanilla build I wouldn’t begrudge introducing move it for literally one episode. How you have the patience for this is mind blowing.
Somehow filling in that large area in the center of the airport would be nice. Of the top of my head Honolulu and Seoul airports may provide some inspiration of how it can be done. That or relocating a corporate complex with a control tower might be a nice addition and add additional realism - something like what Orlando Intl. does.
A real Alfred Hitchcock moment at 2:37 lmao
Only correction would be to relocate the hangars and parked planes closer to the cargo area since they're never near the passenger terminals IRL. Also, just a suggestion, but ditching the center large concourse and just having a concourse connect to the main terminal building would probably open up a lot of space for more small or medium plane stands since I think no airport planner would spend money on reclaiming all that landmass and not cram as many planes as possible.
My brother just bought the airports dlc for me for Christmas. I tried it out for the first time yesterday and let’s just say I need more practice! This video will help so much. Thank you for being amazing once again.
Great build!! You can use walkable path as an alternative for concrete for covering up the odd areas that has green in between the parked planes
Love the video phil! But i think the lest side of the airport should go counterclockwise in order to avoid crossing as the runway goes in the other direction
I'd cut back 1 palm at least from the ATC tower. Other than that, splendid! You have NO idea how much the old concourse's 5 degree tilt tilted me. Thank you for fixing it!
Hey city planner. I saw a video and I tried it out in my last airport and it looks amazing. It used the plain walking paths to fill in those gaps in the concrete and it looks really nice. It is a way to make your airport look much better!
At this point VB deserves a proper cargo port for ships that would reduce reliance on rail and air
watching this on a grounded plane really adds to the experience
If you can do it without completely breaking the game, I would add stands where there are parked aircraft in the middle concourse, and do the same with the landslide concourse where the empty grass area is. This would mean building a taxiway from one side to the other which is my only concern.
I love Verde Beach! When life got crazy, I wasn't able to keep up with Bluffside Crossing, Clearwater County, or Nicolet Bay, but I make sure to never miss an episode of VB
Happy New Year CPP I found your channel only a few months ago but have since watched dozens of your videos. They're both fun to watch outright but also make good background podcasts while working or driving. I think sometimes we don't always share the some opinions on some topics but you're an excellent builder and content producer! Thank you for your efforts!
Ahh, I remember the day when I was a wee lad when all the planes in the airport took flight at once and did a beautiful dance in the sky. The noise was horrendous! It went on for days. What a magical time it was.
Happy new year Phil! You probably haven't made it over the date line but I have! I started watching your stuff early 2022 and will continue well into the future. Thanks for all the wisdom, entertainment and inspiration as a city builder and a person. Great build and once again Happy New Year.
The planes reminded me of the scene in Porco Rosso when he sees all the dead pilots flying above the clouds, very cool
Never before has a stressful vanilla build been presented this smoothly in months! Happy New Year!
Another awesome instalment of Verde Beach 😁 And a great video to bring in the end of 2022. Thank you for all the great content and can't wait to see what you have installed for us in 2023 :) Hope you and your family have a good new year 😄🎉🎆
Really great redo! I remember the hype that exploded around the Airport DLC, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching you build this the first time. Back then -- wow, it's actually been a long time -- I thought, "I wonder how this elaborate airport will age?" ... And here we are!
The efficiency-minded approach this time around, as opposed to the original 'this is shiny, let's see what we can do' approach, obviously has fewer palm trees 😢 but is very aesthetically pleasing in its own clean way!
Another great installment, as always!!
I think the palm trees right outside the atc tower may be an issue 😅
🌍 you spin me right round! 🏚️ Happy new year Phil!
2:40 feels like Porco Rosso, love it!
That intro with all the planes was hilarious! Nice big mulligan on fixing the airport up. Keep it up!
Happy New Year to you, Phil, hope 2023 is a great year for you. And loving your videos.
It's about to snow outside, I'm running a fever and there is nothing more comforting than visiting Verde Beach while eating brunch.
Verde Beach International Airport! Good job, CP! I made a whole metropolis centered around Mt. Fuji, Tokyo called MetroTokyo in SimCity 3000, many years ago. All amenities, unique buildings, and rewards added. Budget in surplus and happy citizens. 👍😎
Happy New year to you and your family, Phil!
That plane scene at the beginning topped the previous #1 funniest VB moment: multiple cruise liners crashing into the Hamilton Experience 🤣🤣🤣
✈️🌴 I live in Florida and palm trees make me feel like I'm on vacation every day!
It's so crazy to have watched this city grow and develop. I'm so proud of the following you have gained.
Thank you so much for being there with me!!
@@CityPlannerPlays always bro. Been supporting you since the beginning.
You should make metro lines connecting different parts of the airport. Might not be practical, but my local international airport does it, so maybe it’d be cool
Hats off to you for remaking one of the best airports in Asia!
I'm pretty sure you can fix the metro jank quite easily by turning those hubs. The reason they got all messed up is because you didn't respect the metro station when you replaced the hubs.
I think part of the issue for the right hand side runway was that the junction is directly where the plane spots start, so the planes have to stop on the corner - there's no where to allow for a queue. On the left hand side you force them to taxi down to the first plane spot, leaving space for the cargo planes to still travel to their hub, and space for 2-3 planes to queue for a spot.
Really enjoyed the Verde Beach airshow, some amazing flying 🤣
Yeah this looks absolutely fantastic!
nature is beautiful, seeing all those planes migrate
My opinion in regards to the birds, is the whole airport is built in an area where seagulls would naturally fly. So even without vegetation around the airport there will be birds to worry about.
Bird Strike?
Awesome revamp!!! Success!
Looks great! One minor thing, which you said you'd do months ago, but never got around to, was to remove the ferry depot, as it is obstructing the views from the high-end hotel.
Great video and fix of Mulligan International! One of the reasons why the taxiways are not symmetrical is because the far (ocean) side runway is shorter than the near (city) side runway. This puts the shoreside exit further away and results in that odd jog that you do not get on the near (city) side exit.
OMG... the planes became birds! The funniest thing I have ever seen!
Thanks for the upload!
Loving the CPP/Let’s Game It Out collaboration on todays video
As a former Airport Operation Specialist, the new Advisory Circular for airport planning now recommends taxiways not lead directly from terminal or ramp area to a runway as you discuss at 28:00. This is a runway incursion mitigation strategy. Also most airport will see more compact high density infrastructure in their planning, especially in confined land use spaces.
It's always a good day for a sky full of airplane confetti!
I don't usually watch Verde Beach, but damn am I glad I clicked on this one
David Attenborough voice: And here we see the wild aeroplanes in their natural habitat... These unique flying patterns are indicative of the aeroplanes' mating season; a unique dance in which to attract a mate.
Was hoping to see you add the helicopter's back in! Glad the airport is working as intended though. Pleasure seeing this build as always!
I like the imperfection. Feels like it’s made in the real world.
All those planes in the sky look like a school of wild planes, ready for migrating in winter times 🙂
Good vid and Happy New Year!!
My episode has arrived! Nice!
Happy new year, Phil!
Thanks as always, great video. Only small critisism is that there would NEVER be any trees in close proximity to the air traffic control tower that would impinge on sight lines to planes on taxi ways and runways.
✈️ great vid!
One thing you can do to mitigate airplane traffic is to subscribe to "Optimized Outside Connections" which reduces the number of large vehicles (trains, planes and ships) in your city by filling each vehicle more. It mainly applies to large vehicles going to and from outside connections, but it also affects cargo trains within your city.
When you first built this I had been working about a week on perfecting my airport efficiency. I knew when you built this, although beautiful it wouldn't work in game, did find it's key to have taxi in longer and seperate for each stand, then taxi out isn't as important. Give room for each stand to park 2 planes without blocking another stands way. The whole 1 way only is rough. And that you'll have 1 stand with 20 flights then 3 with 0. Nice improvements.
Im an aviation geek and airport/airplane nerd. Usually in a big airport they have a smaller control tower called a ramp tower which helps taxi planes in and out of the gates there the FAA tower controllers can’t see. Usually the ramp tower is run by the airline or the airport sometimes by the FAA but rarely. you have wasted space connect the satellite terminal to the main terminal. Even satellite terminals can be connected to main terminals with a concourse.
🛩 enjoying your vids!
Working at an airline currently, utilizing airport dedicated transit helps with ridership as you can connect downtown with other communities
The taxiways on the rail/road side are going backwards heading to the stands. Planes pass the way out from the stand before getting to the taxiway into the stand. They need to go anti-clockwise. The other side is correct. Happy new year CPP. Thanks for all the content.
im so gllad phil make a video for today, thanks so much
2:50. What you have there is a flock of airliners. They're easily excitable and are prone to playing follow the leader. It's a beautiful sight.
I believe that those palm trees next to the air craft control tower are blocking views or the radar sometimes...
I think: the airport has many aircraft stands for the size of the runway. Flights have been accumulating because due to the number of arrivals and departures, they need to travel a long way both to enter and leave the airport, the takeoff and landing time is great to cross the entire runway, this creates a looping. The low utilization seats is another prove of this excess. Decreasing the number of stands or the size of the track is the only solution
A couple of things:
1) use paths to fake concrete
2) connect the terminals. Having the only access between them be a subway is a bit awkward.
3) the road connects are awkward and therefore causing traffic
For the airport metro, you can rotate the modern terminals fully! Just turn them to make the angles of the tunnels better!
28:00 I believe the second shorter runway’s taxiway loops should be going counterclockwise to decrease traffic crossing. You could also have the taxiways come in at diagonals to reduce the corners (like in the picture from Hong Kong’s airport)
I would've liked to see a more intelligent stand selection. When it spawns to land, the plan picks an available stand, instead of just flying to one that has five all queued up to go to it. I'm also so glad you managed to catch all those planes on camera because that sight is hilarious XD
Would love to see you play Airport CEO and see how you'd plan everything out. Love your builds!
your videos r super helpful always :)
Happy new year! ✈
A while back, well before the airports DLC, I added a vehicle asset for the MCU SHIELD Quinjet as an airplane and something about it just caused these swarms of planes circling above the base game airports like vultures in the desert. It got to the point that I had to remove the asset, which made me a little sad as I’m a huge “Agents of SHIELD” fan.
These Cities Skylines Ideas came to me in a dream last night.
- [ ] Homeless people mechanic
- [ ] Modular stadiums-Olympic CCP to go with stadiums DLC?
- [ ] Ocean Liners-connect a special port to a shipping line, place a ocean liner/cruise ship on it and every week or so it will bring thousands of passengers and their ticket income to your city-mechanic in a harbour DLC and new ships in a ccp (a cruise line could be made like an airline can be made in Airports DLC)?
The part with Midwesterners and Palm Trees hit too hard lmao I'm dying right now
I love your laugh...gets me everytime..keep up the awesome work :-)
Nicely done! One thing I would still change up though - on the long runway's taxiway you went by highway logic "straight, offramp, straight, onramp, straight", but on the short one you went "onramp, straight, offramp" instead, possibly clogging the taxiway up more. If you reversed the directions on the ramp loops there, you can make it look more in sync.
the planes were like a flock of starlings!
Happy new year Phil!
Pilot here, I'm not sure how the game would work, but realistically there would be more exits/entrances to the runway, for instance the little jets don't need as much space to take off and land as the jumbo jets. Realistically everything would be connected much more, but I understand it's just a game. Beautiful city, wonderful series, very interesting, keep it up!
Great Video👍