Do You NEED Faster Ethernet?
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What's the point of routers and switches that only have one Ethernet port above 1 Gbps, such as a 2.5 Gbps, 5 Gbps, or 10 Gbps port?
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During the early 2000s, my friend and I were discussing if buying an 80Gb HDD makes sense over a 40Gb one. "Are we even gonna use that much space?" we asked ourselves.
LOL yup... nowadays it's TBs of data. For that I'd like 2.5gb+ connections.
Worth noting that those were GB and not Gb. Data storage is denoted in Gigabytes, which are 8x larger than Gigabits, which denote transfer speed. So I guess you can say those drives were 320 and 640 Gb
Well there was the same feelings when the first GB capacity drives came on the market. "Over a Giga Byte! Why would we want that?"
But pretty soon someone mentioned that now you could transfer the entire content of a CD to the HDD and the game would load faster and (with a no CD crack) you didn't have to dig out the game CD to play. Then it suddenly was: "Only a Gig? I want more! I have at least ten CD based games, and three of them uses multiple CD's..."
In mid 2000s i quickly realized that i would need TBs of hard drives to keep all the movies and series i was downloading back then. 😂 The evolution has gone slow on big consumer hard drives
I have single movies files bigger than that now
1 Gbps seems big until you convert bit to byte.
1 Gbps = 125 MB/s
If you have Home NAS that being used intensively by a lot of people at the same time, 2.5 Gbps will be useful.
3 Gbps saturates SATA, fyi.
I just ran into that considering most HDDs run up to 200MB/s a NAS is bottlenecked by 1Gbps LAN.
Still confused at that conversion. Why is byte used in network speeds? What is the calculation used to know the actual speed?
@@CuT7yFlaM 8 bits to a byte bro.
@@9peppe Because nobody use multiple drive and cache them with a SSD in their NAS you're gonna say
I think that worldwide 2.5gbit internet plans are really rare (anything above 1gbit). So it is more common and useful to have 2.5gbit lan ports instead of wan for access to home server or ect.
Most common in big cities. Meanwhile in smaller towns and farmlands would have as little as 50MB/s speeds.
I live in Alaska and have 2.5 gigabit internet. I legitimately cannot believe there are places in the lower 48 that don't have gigabit. Before living in AK I was in an 8k person town in rural Montana and still had gigabit internet.
@@dbousq this is a bigger surprise than Microsoft buying Activision Blizzard today. You're kidding Alaska has access to gb Internet!? What ISP do you have? I'm assuming it a local municipal owned network?
Agreed. I live in Germany. I got myself a 10g setup to transfer data (Backups/Games/Movies) to/from my server. My internet only does up to 250Mb/s and I live in a city. If I were to live out in the boonies I would be stuck with a connection speed of 10Mb/s or less.
I live in the middle of nowhere, in the woods. We have to use (up to) 12 mega *bit* internet. I really hope something will change to that soon.
imagine getting anywhere near Gb internet. before I moved house I was lucky to get 10Mbps, even now I'm lucky to get 50Mbps. the infrastructure just isn't there in most of the UK
I got 10Gb internet, don't want to imagine 1Gb 😂
We pay for 12mbps but we usually get 6-7mbps only. Imagine shsring that with 4 family members.
That’s rough. I can get 2g up and 1g down for 100 a month thanks google. I get gig up and down rn
1 Gbit/s is 125 Megabytes per second download speed.
From my information countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland easily push 1Gbit to homes, sometimes even more. Here in Germany (depending where you live) 1Gbit over Coax is possible (I live in a small 10k city and can get those speeds), fibre mostly is up to 500 Mbit (62.5 MB/s) and DSL 250 Mbit
immagine?
I was really surprised when i found out my MSI tomahawk B550 had a 2.5G port, when I got on the new modem/router combo which usually I'd avoid and it also had 2.5G out and decent wifi 6? like wow! I see burst speeds in the 1.1 range on my 1 gig plan
Cries in German with a the best plan available at only 0,25G
In spain now you can have 10Gbps
Msi b550 tomahawk gang
I was happy to finally have entered the 25mbps territory.
10 gbs is coming to USA. Just gonna take some time to get the fiber laid.
They should've mentioned Link Aggregation (LAG) here as well. If you have one device which lots of users/devices connect to, such as a NAS, LAG is a lot cheaper. Take the scenario with a NAS with movies. If more than one person is using the NAS, it's capped out at 1GB for a standard 1GB network. If you create a LAG with 2x1GB links between the NAS and the switch, you won't achieve 2GB speeds for a single (2.5,5,10 GB) client, but two 1GB clients can saturate the LAG. This means that the NAS can push twice the amount of data to multiple clients without any cost to upgrading your gear (as long as you have free ports on the NAS and switch, and that both support LAG). I've done this myself at home, until I take the 10GB plunge. But right now I really don't have a usecase for 10GB network as long as I run the NAS in LAG (and it supports 4x1GB LAGs).
If it wasn't for Link Aggregation enabled on my SB8200 modem, and my Asus RT-AX88U able to do 2Gbps WAN Aggregation, I'd never be able to take full advantage of my ISPs 1.2Gbps download tier.
Funny thing is, is that Comcast has labeled the SB8200 modem as not appropriate/approved for that speed tier. I think they know better, they just probably don't want to have to try to explain to the average customer about enabling LAG in the modems settings and having to have WAN Aggregation capable router and etc.
I mean, sure, I can't get above 940ish mbps on my computer or any LAN device due to the 1Gbps ethernet limit of the router's ports, BUT by using a speed test on my Note 20 Ultra using WiFi, while simultaneously running speed test on my ethernet connected computer, the total speed added together comes up as 1,260mbps down. 826mpbs was my PCs result, and my phones was 434mbps.
Topic that you could cover in the future: How does PoE work?
The send juice through the data lines.
Electricity
Science! That and black magic voodoo witchcraft
It might be boring because PoE+ is super simple, it just use some of the already present leads in your ethernet cable to transmit power + ground, when plugging your cable in the port that is marked (PoE+) the energy is automatically sent if your device request power through ethernet.
I know that the skill tree in Path of Exile is big and terrifying, but when you get a closer look at it, you see that there are nodes that fit your build better.
I have gigabit and most of my downloads are limited in speed server-side anyway, so 2.5 doesn't really seem too useful for just a single computer
I have a large NAS with TB of data and a multiple PCs, and I still have 1Gbps due to the expense of the extra hardware. 1Gbps works fine until the once in a while I move lots of files all at once (maybe every few years, or when I need to redo an array?)... then i just have to let it run a bit. That's one reason I think these higher speeds take so long to push out. Not many actually need to transfer large amounts of data in a short time. It would be nice, but not hundreds of dollars worth.
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Cheap used enterprise switches can be purchased off eBay. I was able to get 10gb fiber from my pc to plex server.
I have 2gbit and can confirm, for a single user there isn't much where you will be seeing any benefit from it for consumer use. Steam can go higher than 1gig but that only saves you a few minutes in a big download but most sites are well under 1gig. If you had a large family, there might occasionally be some benefit.
Exactly. People buy superfast internet packages and then blame the ISP for shitty download speeds, when in fact it's the shitty websites' fault.
I thought 2.5GBASE-T is totally useless because none of my equipment does not support the standard.
Then, I recently noticed that: 2.5 and 5 Gbps are good tradeoff point on the power consumption v. line rate curve if you are sticking to RJ-45 twisted pair cables.
It generates much less heat compared to 10GBASE-T. Power consumption is also the reason why I prefer SFP+ if you want full 10Gbps bandwidth.
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Who asked you?
@@Morzsaszar you're mom
@@xSO20 yes, he is mom.
I have a 10 gig connection at home. On paper, it was a good idea. In practice, not so much. It's not much different from a gigabit connection in a lot of situations because the things I connect to aren't fast enough.
Steam on the other hand supports it and it's amazing.
Downside is the Network card was not cheap and takes up a PCIE slot.
I have 2gbit and my steam tests max out at about 1.4gbit. You have seen faster? Only single connection thing I've seen max my 2gbit test is Windows ISO download.
@@curtisbme I think it's because their server here is so close to me (only about 25km away) and we've got a good fiber backbone too. The ISP is also incredibly close. I think I got lucky geographically. Outside of that, like if I connect to Best Buy's Canadian page to do some price comparisons with stuff here, I'm back in slowsville.
@@mbralliable I live less than 5 miles from Valve HQ so I don't think I could be closer. ;-). I only tested a few titles so it may have just been a limitation of the titles or the time I was testing it. I'll have to give it another monitored run on some titles to see if i can max it out.
@@curtisbme Well for one you could be 4 Miles away!
How many lanes?
*Looks at my max 10Mbit's connection*
Connection:
"Don't even think about it..."
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That beard raises James's power level to dangerous levels.
Not gonna lie I was halfway across the room, briefly glanced at the TV, and thought I was still playing MW2019 because I swore that was Cpt. Price, with James’s voice
Surprised I had to scroll so far down to see a beard comment!
@@haydox same, man's beard is wild
I’d imagine most users would be fine with FastEthernet for their onboard unless they have a NAS or other LAN hosts that can use the gigabit and higher speed. Or if their local ISP isn’t a complete joke and offers good speed.
AHEM, Century Link is a JOKE!!
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I have that exact same 10 gigabit switch in the video with 2 ports. It's liking my freenas server with the rest of the house, and a direct ten gig link to my pc with an old x540-T2 intel nic.
It actually does benefit from faster speeds since it stores my steam library and has nvme cache
Launching games or reloading checkpoints feels no different to an internal SATA SSD, and the latency is pretty decent.
When I had the same setup with normal gigabit, it would take 5-10 minutes to launch a game. I still remember Payday 2 wouldn't even load...
This was actually super helpful. Especially the part about cabling and Network Switch. I've had the same Ethernet cables in my house for a while and was wondering if there was any point to upgrading them. I'll stick with my cables for now and if I ever move I'll re-cable everything anyways!
But also find out about the maximum cable lengths for 2.5 Gbit and the classification of your cables (CAT 5e, 6,...).
Cat5e will be enough for a long time. You can even run 10 gig over it although it's not officially supported. I've seen plenty of people do it and they never had problems.
If you're running CAT5e or CAT6, unless you live in a very large home, your cabling is capable of 10Gb/s.
CAT5e will run 10Gb/s to 35m, CAT6 will go to 55m.
Me with 10Mb/s internet:
You get 10? Licky
Something you don't have to concern yourself with if you live in Germany :-(
The fastest connections you can get here are 250 Mbit/s down and 40 Mbit/s up. In many parts of the country, you can still call yourself lucky if you reach even 16 Mbit/s down.
You can have faster connections if you're lucky enough to live in an area with fiber optic connections.
But I think everything over 1 Gbit/s is currently only available as an expensive business connection.
@@JohnADoe-pg1qk there are no such areas ... Ok, something like 0.00001% of households could get it maybe. But even in Munich or Berlin, the availability is basically nonexistent.
Yikes. The lowest i can get is 100 Mbit/s for 15$ in Sweden. I can "only" get 1000/1000 Mbit/s. 1000/500 Mbit/s costs 57$ where i live. Up to 1000 Mbit/s is pretty standard. 10.000 Mbit/s is starting to roll out since 2018. 100.000 Mbit/s is only for businesses right now
if your router is able to use LACP you can connect two Ethernet cables to your computer and your router. enable LACP on both sides and set the hashing algorithm to MAC and IP Address. The traffic is split between two Ethernet connection based on the source and destination IP address. This doesnt allow you to use more than 1 GBit on a single connection but you have more bandwidth when you are using multiple connections (torrents) . Some Software vendors are using torrents to ship updates.
since it took so long to go from 1gbe being main stream, lets just go to fiber and futureproof to 100gbit and beyond
Fiber optic is only capable of around 10gbps
@Gijs Fiber generally has never been that expensive...ive you know where to look
@Gijs fiber is even cheaper than regular copper CAT-cables. The major downside of fiber though is that equipment to make your own cables is expensive where it's cheap to make your own network cables. Another thing that makes fiber a pain in the butt for local networking is the fact that you would need optic transceivers which are about 30 bucks for a single mode set and a bit more for multimode.
Only to the big cities is where 1gbe has became mainstream.
@@ChronikCarlos You can get 40gbps fiber uplinks fairly easy and they only require a single pair of fiber strands. Trying to do 100gbps is a bit harder in that you typically need to use pre-made cables and it normally uses 4 pairs of fiber.
The intended application for 2.5G interfaces is business WiFi access points. WiFi is now capable of exceeding 1G. Businesses use PoE access points to increase coverage. Running 2 cables to an access point increases the cost of wire runs but also burns switch ports.
It is one of the intended uses but not the only as consumer routers have them and they are not managed and would never be used in businesses (by an IT person worth their salt). I have a consumer router with 10gbit wan (and 2gbit internet ). And to clarify WIFI is not faster than 1gig to any one device but can be to multiple devices. But of course that is only relevant if the access point is part of the router or has a multigig interface.
one of many reasons for 2.5G being a thing is that many of the current gen internet contracts speak of 1gbps but you can not utilize it on gigabit lan because of the overhead. Imagine having a perfect connection but the speed test never goes over 940 mbps.
I recently upgraded to 2gig internet. One of the big issue of multi-gig routers is that it only has the one WAN port that is multi-gig. All the LAN ports are 1gig. Fine if you have lots of people using 1gig at the same time but not good if you want faster connection to single devices. I got the daddy-long legs (with two 10gbit ports) as it is the only one our ISP was recommending (and one of the only consumer ones there are).
But the main issue of 2 gig internet for only one or two people is that there really are very few places where you can utilize that speed. Steam can reach that point when downloading games (but saving a few minutes on a non urgent download of that size isn't a justification on its own of course). Onedrive doesn't even come close to 1gig. Just not a lot of conusmer uses.
Something interesting I found with Steam downloads when I moved to gbps internet is that for some games, the download was being bottlenecked by the CPU (a 6600k) because of the heavy compression used on the files. As you say, there aren't many uses for multi-gig internet atm apart from sharing with multiple users. Only useful where you're also paying for the same bandwidth on the server you're accessing e.g. for moving a lot of data between sites... not really anything for normal home use. Though I suppose you could soak up that bandwidth with torrents!
@@AS-wp3hb CPU isn't an issue in my case as it is 3950x saving to NVME SSD. But someone else said they got greater than 2 gig from 10gig link so it may just have been the specific game files I tested with that weren't maxing the connection.
I tried testing torrents but never saw more than a few hundred Mbit at any one time.
@@curtisbme With torrents I think I've had it over 500mbps but then the files already downloaded by the time it could raise higher! I was thinking more about someone who might want to seed many torrents, then it would be useful.
I've never really understood why people talk about steam download speeds all the time. You can wait 10 minutes for a game you'll be playing for 100 hours! How often are people downloading games haha. I play a lot of games but it's a tiny amount of traffic compared to my usage for work and stuff like youtube and netflix. I like to have gigabit just so I can videocall and download software images etc at the same time without affecting web browsing.
What a great problem to have.
I have 60Mbps internet...
The point would be for downloading multiple things from lots of sources at one time, for multiple devices/users.
My newer motherboard had a single 2.5 gbit network port and a 1gbit. I have a few HDDs in my wifes PC and she accesses files on my PC. I bought a $30 PCIe 2.5 gbit network card for her computer and added a LAN between our PCs. This same thought process could be applied to a NAS or something else depending on the hardware. In my case I do not have any other 2.5 gbit devices or a switch too would have made sense.
I have six computers in my small home-based business, with four main ones I use often, and I do a lot of large file transfer between those four computers. So I bought a 5-port 2.5Gbps QNAP switch for $150 and some ASUS 2.5Gbps cards to put into my main four computers. And I'll connect that 2.5 switch to my main gigabit switch in my house, that way I will have faster transfer just between the main computers, which is my goal. I'm still on slower 150Gb Fiber for Internet but I might upgrade to Gigabit Fiber in the future. Eventually I might upgrade my main home switch to 2.5Gb as well as soon as the 8-port switches become popular and well priced.
Well here in Australia the conservative party (Liberal National Party) destroyed a fantastic optic fibre to the home initiative proposed by the rival Labor Party in favour of fibre to a node near your house. Worst part is it ended up costing more than the fibre to the home solution. Basically, we paid more for an inferior system, all because Rupert Murdoch asked his conservative political buddies to kill fibre to the home so that he could prop up his dying cable TV business. We get speeds around 32-48Mb/s (4-6 megabytes per second) as a result so we won't be saturating Gigabit speeds any time soon down under. Political corruption is just the best isnt it.......
Ended up going 100G from 1G because I was tired of waiting for a consumer 10g solution that wasn't insanely priced. 100% futureproofed for at least another 30 years
Remember how ridiculous the prices were on 1 Gig ethernet for a long time? I remember paying something like $2000 for dumb 8-port 1G Ethernet switch, and that was the cheapest switch we could buy. I was made by D-Link and came with a fan that sounded like a jet engine. I also bought a HP Smart something something with 16 or 24 ports, and that cost an arm, a leg and both kidneys. And this too sounded like a A10 taking off. Heck 100 Mb Ethernet was expensive as H when first introduced. But even so I think 10 G Ethernet is taking way longer to trickle down to the private consumer market segment. Even 2.5 G has been hard to find at decent prices but hopefully it will become cheaper.
In a way I feel WiFi has become so wide spread in use that less and less cheap wired networking products are being released. Sure I have WiFi in the house but for stationary computers, TV, NAS and such the wired network is still far better.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 When I was in high school a 24 port 10/100 switch was $1000+, I remember quite a bit of the price history and change.
Guarenteed the future of computers is going to be remote instances though, and all wifi can handle that just fine, but for communicating with my storage servers the only solution will be fast cables (either fiber or copper...but fiber seems to be cheaper overall imo)
Using gigabit equipment for many households makes sense just because of the cost alone. If I was to build or remodel a residence, then I would run cat6 cable because the cost over cat5e is not much more. Cat5e can hit 10gb speeds over shorter runs. I'll do an upgrade to higher speed network equipment once the current equipment fails and the 2.5gb+ equipment has a negligible cost over 1gb equipment.
Protip: 10GbE is super cheap if you buy second hand. 10GbE SFP+ cards (like the Connect-X 2) run $30-40 shipped, and you can pick up a Mikrotik CRS305 for $120 shipped. If your devices are near the Mikrotik, DAC cables cost under $10. If you need RJ-45 connectors, then you can pick up transceivers anywhere from $30 to $90 (or you can get 2.5GbE transceivers even cheaper) depending on how far you need the cable to run. If you are OK running a new cable, then fiber transceivers are dirt cheap (I got several for free with my used Connect-X 2s) and precut fiber is frequently cheaper than Cat6 cable. I went this route because everything is close to the Mikrotik, but if I needed 2.5GbE, a transceiver can be easily changed as my hardware or cabling upgrades. If you bought a 2.5GbE switch without SFP+ ports, you have to buy a new switch if you want/need to upgrade to 10GbE in the future.
Exact same path I went. Started with a p2p between the desktop and the server, with 1g to each of them for the rest of the network/internet, and then finally upgraded to a 10Gb/s switch. I'm using OM3 jumpers and LC keystone jacks for wall terminations.
Id build everything on 2.5GBE and selectivly use 10Gbit, there is alot of switches available that have 2 or 4 10GBE and 8 2.5GBE. Connect the NAS and Workstation using 10GBE and the rest with 2.5GBE
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I held out and bought Ubiquiti newly released switch with 24 RJ45 ports which support 100Mbit-10GBit on each port. Sure, it wasn't free... But knowing every port in my house now supports up to 10GBit feels good and I can upgrade different computer and switches in the house as I go. For startes my main rig and my server have 10GBit cards and some of the others have 2.5GBit ones.
Also your old vs newer hardware makes a difference as well. I had an old WRT with only 100mb plugs-moved up to a newer Netgear with 100mb plugs as well-it did deliver faster packets because it had an updated and faster cpu.
I tried the 2.5g pc adaptor shown here and worked on 2 of the 3 PCs running Win7. But they slowed down and the PCs kept complaint about lost packets I think. The other just flat out BSOD every time I connected the cable to it.
So I dropped back down the 1g spec-I figure my Linksys router was pushing back on them.
Nice video though, thanks!
Got 200 Mbps max, not by choice, just my only option. Still have plenty of bandwidth for two kids doing a combo of playing LOL, minecraft or watching YT/NetFlix and I can still work, with VPN, use VOIP and remote to clients for software support and even download a game on Steam. Yeah, 1Gbps would get me my Steam games faster but I haven't had any online gameplay issues.
I think that LAN speeds increases aren't very noticeable until they are about 10X what you had before. 1Gbps > 100M > 10M. So if you already have 1gpbs, 2.5Gbps isn't that big of an upgrade, especially if your upstream bandwidth is less than 1gpbs anyway.
I can imagine a scenario like the video described with multiple machines accessing the same resource, but even then I don't know what one would have to do to make that little difference noticeable... video streaming I think is at MOST 30mbps, so would need lots of machines to max that out. I guess maybe using steam's game streaming feature
Ugh. I take it you have to suffer with cable. I'm sorry.
@@curtisbme Worry less about the people "suffering" with damned good high speed internet already and worry more about the people who are still struggling to get past 2007 levels of internet speed in the modern era when everything has ballooned in size because "everyone has high speed internet access without severely limited data caps"
I have the option of satellite (and no that does not mean Starlink) and cellular internet. Satellite is limited to 60gb for the month before the speeds drop to barely enough to load a basic email. Speed varies wildly depending upon the atmospheric conditions and a coin toss on how congested the network is at that time you are trying to use it. Cellular can produce some usable speeds most of the time for more basic stuff but it gets a bit iffy when it comes to anything intensive. More importantly though is that the soft 22gb data cap on the cell phone plan isn't really an issue, but not using enough data to trigger the fraud department to get involved and figure out that you are using the plan as a home internet source is a problem. And yes even getting something like a grid parabolic antenna only helps the signal/speed issues just so much if you can't invest in a tower taller than the trees to mount it on.
The switch at the heart of my network is 10Gb. All other switches branch off from that with SFP+ backbone connections. Then my file server, VM server, and gaming rig all connect directly to the 10Gb switch. In my new house I will be getting a 2.5Gb switch for my wifi APs. The new Unifi AP units use 2.5Gb lan connections. Sadly, I will only have 1Gb internet for now. But all the in network stuff should fly.
the question is not if we NEED it
it's if we have it AVAILABLE to us. I am stuck with a 4 MBS bandswith with brand new replaced equipment from ISP and their intel suggests our village is using all of it so i am getting what i can.
( living in belgium )
Watching on a pc with a 10Gb sfp card thats on a sub-net to my slow ass 1Gb home network, this pc, a mac and a freenas box swapping data at light speed. A 5 port Mikrotik 10Gb switch and 2 sfp network cards came in at under £200, 10Gb doesn't have to be expensive.
That switch costs $100+ and one sfp+ card costs $90+, add to that cable costs. Definitely above $300+ unless you buy everything used and only use DAC.
@@Abu_Shawarib That's a great price for 5 ports of 10Gb. I use $35 transceivers though and CAT6A. My main PC motherboard has built in 10Gbe, and runs truenas in a VM. I bought a card for my other computer. If you genuinely have use for the throughput that's a very low cost solution. NVME storage is almost impractical for most people unless you are moving data to other computers, and 10GBe lets you get the most out of those SSDs on a network. Four HDD RAIDZ1 gets me 400-800MBps.
@@Abu_Shawarib 2 sfp+ cards from ebay cost £46 and DAC cables yes, as I said, less than £200
Watching this on a 100gbit internet connection would be the same experience... Obviously there is no media where 1gbit internet is the bottleneck. Not even 50mbit is a bottleneck (save for streaming UHD blu-ray from a server).
I have 2gbit internet and am struggling to find a justification to keep it.
@@curtisbme I never insinuated it would be, the 10Gb sub net to my main network is for moving large amounts of data while doing reprographics, it's nothing to do with fast internet.
As someone studying for their CCNA, anything above 1Gb in a residential setting is pretty useless for 98% of people. There are those that may be hosting servers from a residential connection, but many ISPs will figure out that this is happening and then push you into using a Commercial connection. 1Gb is plenty for the average user. You may want fasters speeds, but how much are you willing to pay for both the equipment and the monthly bill.
for ymself i agree, my husband and i do gaming, and i watch streams and he watches youtube / such at the same time and we have never had a latency issue with all of that going, and while we have decent net, its not above gig for sure, only thing i would consider is internal server, because both our pcs have 2.5 gig ports built in
" but many ISPs will figure out that this is happening and then push you into using a Commercial connection"
Should be "Many cable providers/Comcast". Only monopolistic piece of shit companies like comcast would do something like that. I have 2gbit fiber and I could use all of it up& down every second of every day and not get a call. As even cable executives have noted, there is no technical need for caps (or forcing people to commercial rates), it is all just ways to add to their profit.
I'm in the process of upgrading everything in the house to 10gbe using 2 switches with 10gbe ports. However, most of the client appliances such as TV or shield only have 1gbe port so it seemed polintless. BUT, for 20 dollars you can buy rj45 to usb 3 adapters that will give you 2.5gbe.
I use a 2.0G USB to Ethernet adapter and yes, I can see improvement of overall internet web surfing experience. But I have not considering getting a 2.5G switch yet unless I want to build a cluster.
I bought the best Lan cable and I should have 500mbits... I get 50. TEN TIMES SLOWER. I'm gonna slap them.
LAN cable doesn’t make any difference. You are basically buying snake oil like those HDMI cables that claim to up your graphics fidelity
@@IchiroSakamoto The cable does matter though. A CAT5 cable isn't the same as a CAT6 cable.
@@DorperSystems Even the free cable that came with the router should be CAT6. It's pretty rare to even find a CAT5 unless you dig in 1990's e-waste junkyard. Even CAT5 should do 100mb so if OP gets only 50 then it's clearly not the cable's problem.
@@IchiroSakamoto no most of the cables that come with a router are cat5e. CAT5 is able to do gigabit. CAT6 is really stiff and not flexible unlike CAT5(e). This is because they added a plastic cross to separate the twisted pairs into the cable.
Imagine having 1,000Mbps!
Here in Australia 100Mbps is up there and certainly insanely fast compared to a few other countries.
Plenty of Australians can access 1gbps. And many more will be over the coming years.
Carrier Pigeon to the Node
@@Niko-pm7gv Well it did recently become available for some places, but certainly a rare occurrence of someone actually having that.
Would love to see a video on reducing connection latency, lowering ping, reducing packet burst or loss , etc for competitive gaming.
if you on broadband service you have to have ( outdoor device use 2.5gbe & poe+ 2.5gbe & switch 2.5gbe or 10.0gbe ) then connect this devices to each other then add latest extender to switch with cat8 but if you have fiber the equipment's is ( switch 2.5gbe or 10.0gbe ) then add extender with cable cat8 , Now you will have better network for gamers and for whole family
It might also depend a bit on where do you live, as sometimes downloads from servers don't saturate your bandwith because a lot of people will use the server and the server also has limited bandwidth. Also, the network of your ISP might have several bottlenecks, etc. and this can be a huge limitation. So, it might or might not work for you.
But in some countries, plenty of P2P copying (bittorrent) of movies, tv shows, music is authorized by a blanket license financed with empty media levy (income is distributed with the help of various copyright agencies around the world) and plenty of symmetric connections? That might be very different story. Hey, I know people who use an old TV with 720p resolution, but they still download a lot of content in 4K, download movies and shows "they might watch later" and constantly complain because 2Gbit is slow, the storage on their NAS is always full.
FYI: *Even if you have a high-tech MF Ethernet coming/built from your router or even PC, think twice that if your Network Service sucks then don't expect that your Ethernet will come to save your gaming arse xD*
My internet plan is 300Mbps over fiber. And that's already more internet than me and my family need!
Yeah, I don't think the demand for 2.5Gbps connections will be much greater than it is now for at least 5 more years.
It depends on what you do and what it costs. In Sweden it's not that big difference between 250/250 and 1000/500 where i live. 44$ vs 57$.
Yes, sort of.
I can answer this because i HAVE DONE THIS EXPERIMENT.
With my previous modem that had 2x 1Gigabit ports that you can't load balance, i was never really getting my full 1Gig internet connection. Maybe 800 to low/mid 900s. I even used a Cat7 cable at least 3 ft in length (any shorter as a direct connection between devices can cause issues).
In my own house, i made ever effort to reduce bottle necks. I have a 10gb connection between the router and switch, and the switch to the server. The only bottle neck left WAS THE MODEM (Arris 8200).
I finally found a cable modem that had at least a 2.5g port on it.
Magically, i now can get just over 1gb from the internet regularly on speed test (1068mbps is what it hits on average).
The truth is, ethernet, just like wireless, has an actual performance limit. You are not going to actually get 1gb from Ethernet but you will get up there.
Having 2.5gb opens up that top end giving you more space to work in even though you don't really need it for 99.9% of people and applications out there.
Do you NEED 2.5gb connections for home internet? NO, no one really needs it. Most don't really need over 100mbps down. It is nice to have but the average user doesn't need that much. Even when you watch download speeds for games or Netflix, everything is done in bursts and never really goes that high. I never seen Netflix break 60mbps before (the router tracks all).
In our area they're rolling out 1Gbit fiber just now. Gotta love the German internet.
Most of the UK is stuck on 80Mbps and even then you can rarely get the full speed.
Yes i do need fast Ethernet.
Fast Ethernet is only 100 MBit/s.
@@Yuusou. but he said fast Ethernet not Fast Ethernet
There are use cases for it, but honestly, the vast majority of users don’t benefit one bit (pun intended) from speeds above 1Gbps.
We have a 100Mbps line at home with corresponding 100Mbps Ethernet and besides from the „slow“ Steam download once every few month i don’t see a single use case for faster speeds. A watch tons of 4K content and don’t have to wait a single second for buffering or such. I download games, stream GeForce Now every now and then and have a heavily smartified home but I don’t experience a single hiccup in speeds with anything a can imagine doing.
Everyone keeps talking about NASes and shit, but honestly, except for people Working with large files wth are you all constantly pushing around on your LAN?
Plex server: TV shows and movies. I'm my own offline Netflix.
Like Jason I have my own Plex server because I don't care to have to pull dvds and blu rays out every time I want to watch something I've already bought. Also it allows me to watch on my tablet or phone. Or take my media with me somewhere if I know I'm going to be sitting around somewhere away from home without much to do. Not to mention that due to my lack of worthwhile internet, streaming is a big problem at home. Through the use of a grid parabolic antenna I have recently been able to get my speeds a bit faster for streaming video, but still until some real internet decides to find its way out here, having a fast home network with all of my files is great
1:53 I'll eliminate a bottleneck on YOUR back end
There's a saying where the link can be only as fast as it's slowest link. This isn't necessarily true for IP as a whole since packets can take multiple routes, but it is true for the endpoints. If your router only supports all gigabit ports, then your computer can only get gigabit; if the server only supports 100 mpbs then your download will be slow regardless of how much you've paid for your internet.
What about bandwidth, jitter and packet loss explained?
It is so weird when I don't know a single person with over 300mbps, and not many with over 100, and then I come here and see you talking about how 2.5GHz is a cheap alternative to 5 and 10GHz
spoiled brats these people are. 🤣
@@After_Pasta This.
@@After_Pasta If you mean that USA and Canada got great broadband you are mistaken. Sweden have one of the best broadbands in the world. The lowest i can get is 100 Mbit/s for 15$. 1000/500 Mbit/s costs 57$
@@After_Pasta It's more because the US is really big which means that the cost of running long lines is high. Last mile is the most expensive though. Just look at Australia's NBN for example.
@@After_Pasta I mean, that 10% of the world also has 98% of the useful ideas.
Let me check out that sweet new Middle Eastern/African network switch...
Oh, right, they're fighting religious wars for decades instead.
I paid £233 for a QNAP 8 x 1G + 4 x 10G port switch last year (12 ports altogether) which I thought was pretty reasonable. I have 3 desktop PCs (me and the kids) connected via 10Gbps to a NAS (32tb) which we use to store large game files. I can download say a 50gb game file once to the NAS and the kids can access and install directly on their PCs. My internet is only 1Gbps so it takes a normal port. Some games run fine directly from the NAS too (and some don't).
How do you have games from steam download to a NAS before downloading to a PC?
I love James is doing his best Tom Segura Impersonation in this video
I thought 600mbps was bad, but after moving into a new house and using cellular 24/7 getting 2mbps is like heaven :/
Idk what he’s talking about. Most routers I’ve encountered are 100mb
Within a decade I think speeds above 1Gbps only makes sense in the context of either LAN networking or server use. You'd be hard pressed to find any internet service that can reliably hit (or realistically need) that kind of speed.
Higher internet speed is already really useful. I can download a whole 4K movie in the time it takes to go to the bathroom. Most of the time the uncompression of the RAR files takes longer than the download itself. And thats only on 1Gb speed. With 2.5Gb speed you could download the movie in a short commercial break...
@@Setsuna_Kyoura Well, I'm interested in knowing where you live and what kind of sources you're downloading from. I've yet to find any internet video service that can come close to saturating a gigabit link.
@4:37
I don't see a Daddy Long Legs, I see a Terran Science Vessel. "Explorer reporting!"
"fastest commonly offered" I mean common is even a stretch. 1Gbps is max that is reasonable in many areas even with fiber; often way less
Right now we get 15 megabytes a second download. Im happy. Starting to see bottlenecks based on the fact not many sites seem to be able to provide that speed in terms of their own connection not mine.
here in Spain the standard is still 300mbps, and 600mbps, but gigabit is hella expensive. The router companies give us also tend to be the most basic and cheap they can get, with a really bad connection. 5G barely reaches longer than 5m²
James' stache reminds me of the Madam from the cartoon Mulan. ... (draws mustache on face) "more steam" XD
Take note that even if you got a 1GBps network, you need the HDD or SSD with speeds that allow you to write that data. I have 1GB and my SSD does only 600 Mbps..you should see how Steam goes to 100 MB download but then stops because the SSD has to write the data and then starts again, over and over until it finishes.
Your SSD definitely does more than 600Mbps... That's only 75MB/sec
You're mixing up MBPS and Mbps. Your SSD likely does 600MB/s if it's a SATA3 drive, which is way beyond the max throughput of GigE.
SSD at only 600 mbps? I can get 1gbps on WD red no issues... Note that we usually talk of 1gpbs which is about 125mBps (b for bits, B for bytes, 8b = 1B). A 600mBps SSD is still slower than Sata III saturation though, which is about 750mBps, but much more realistic, and would not be bottlenecked by a 1gbps network speed.
@@Minstadave yes, indeed, he'd be getting 4.8 gigabit on his ssd
@@Minstadave SSD still slow down once it gets fuller.
Well I haven't used ethernet for about a year and i am perfectly happy so probably not.
Wifi has done a great job of evolving IMO. Every new device I get has some better wifi aspect. Especially whenever you do something blike go from XBO/PS4 to SX/PS5
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@@NigelMelanisticSmith you can also plug a supported wifi access point into a 2.5/multigig port and you’ll get more bandwidth with wifi
@@shaiuken7150 that's true, but since I don't play online, I haven't needed it recently. Time will tell though
Note:
With a 2.5Gbe switch, you DON'T need a 2.5Gbe router or 2G Internet plan to run 2.5G in LAN
Just ensure that the devices within the LAN are connected to the switch are support 2.5Gbe
Zoho has been trying harder and harder, I've been seeing them at workplaces now too. Crazy.
Congrats to everyone who found this comment
That upbeat royalty free tune in the background is my jam.
I'm a bit in the lucky group, my AT&T modem had a 10gb SFP+ for the WAN and 1 5gb LAN port.
Thanks bro this was so ez to understand answered so many ?
In Greece having a vdsl 50mbps internet connection is luxury and a 200mbps(maximum offer) is extraordinary
Thank you for these networking tips, master Shifu
Ethernet speed can never be too high
I love watching these type of Fast Internet videos with my 10 Mb download 0.25 upload!
I know that higher than gig internet is uncommon but as the video states you can still get faster speeds if your ISP over-provisions your 1 gig connection... I get average 1.1-1.2Gbps...
It nice but I never realized how hard it is to actually use speeds above 940mpbs so many limiting factors... Your modem needs a 2.5Gbps port... your router needs a 2.5 port and even then they only seem to have x1 (2.5) for some reason... So it can go in but you can't get it out... above 940... You can get it out via wifi If your router and client can do 160 channel wifi 6....
It's kinda a pain but it can be done...
I'd love to see you do a segment on Mikrotik routers for home labs.
Great video do you mind covering witch ISP should you choose, I feel like that would be a good video topic
Here in Australia where 100mbit is considered above standard, I'm glad I have a 2.5gbit port on my mobo!
Dont know if its been done already or not but talking about "automatic updates" and how they can not be so automatic per se would be awesome.
Me: sees title
Also me: yes.
With NDI becoming more and more popular, I think a lot of churches are going to start looking at 2.5gbit, even if they don't have that going to the outside world. It's real easy to hit the 10 feed (approximate) limit of 1gbit when you factor in multiple cameras plus stage displays and streaming video to multiple rooms.
Lol when I see the price in the us is insane , here in France I have a rhetorically 10g with Netflix and Disney + and others for 20€ a month !!
Thing is I wonder if we will ever see advancements in the are of plastic fiber optic cable, connector, and router/switch so you could install 100 Gb/s solutions in a home? Would be great to be able to have NAS, and other devices that ran at 100 Gb/s on the LAN even if the highest connection was 1 Gb/s up, and down on the WAN/Internet.
In Europa most of the time we use Router with Modems integradet, so the single 2.5 GBits Port can be used for another Router (why?) or for the a Device, WAN is mostly used if you have a Router with a not compatible Modem (a Router with a Glasfiber modem but using Copper Internet as example)
There comes a point where hardware and software bottlenecks will stop any upside you might get from having a fully capable 10 Ghz Ethernet connection. Specially on something like gaming or even Chrome (running AWS or GCP will absolutely kill your machine). You should investigate at which "hardware" spec, having a 10 Ghz ethernet speed becomes just as useful as having a much slower speed, Purely on the user experience / "what the user actually perceives in daily use"
that thumbnail looks like the guy in the Resident Evil 1 game cover, even with each eye pointing at different directions LMAO
I just upgraded my home fibre from 100mbit to gigabit, and where the onboard gigabit adapter got ~900mbps throughput the 2.5gb/s port pulls the full 1Gbps from the connection.
PS: Tested on a B550 Tomahawk mainboard, maybe it's just the 2.5g-adapter itself managing traffic flow differently, don't know why there's a 10% difference with the Realtek one..
The thing is, for most people who don’t live in North America or Northern Europe 1 gigabit is more than enough.
I live in a third world country and consider myself very lucky to have 100 mbps 😂
if you on broadband service you have to have ( outdoor device use 2.5gbe & poe+ 2.5gbe & switch 2.5gbe or 10.0gbe ) then connect this devices to each other then add latest extender to switch with cat8 but if you have fiber the equipment's is ( switch 2.5gbe or 10.0gbe ) then add extender with cable cat8 , Now you will have better network for gamers and for whole family
I knew my internet won't get fast after watching this but still I watched.
In short, if you are a normal user no. 1Gb/s is more than enough even for large downloads. Especially as they happen automatically anyways, so i am not waiting for them. Even big games on Steam are ready to play within 5-10min and i would gain nothing by dropping this to 2-5min.
Data Size does not seem to increase drastically anymore, so faster bandwidth is not something i need or would be willing to pay for.
It be nice if you covered how to upgrade routers, ISP legal/requirements, costs, and models
Got a crazy idea for LTT... build a stockfish pc. Small market but would be very technically interesting and may drive interest/market. Hard to say but see if it's worth it with a LTT discussion (think ya'll will find some interesting challenges ; )
I love how he's talking about 2.5 GB per second internet, when I have 10 mb per second internet for my entire house
Naaaawwww the first router in the video!!
Linksys WRT 54GL
This mother of all WiFi routers!
Still have one home, because it's just a beauty you need to keep forever! :)
I max out around 50-60 download and around 10 up here in the UK. Cost like 70 a month to get DECENT fast speeds. Takes me like an hour or so to install small updates on games
I have a 1000 up and a 1000 down, I have that TP-Link and it works really good
Still funny to know that some people have ethernet run throughout their house like electrical wiring. Like, my ethernet cable is run from the router, over the wall dividing my room from the room the router is in, and down through a ceiling tile XD You can see the wire hanging down from over the wall. My brother's is as funny, with his ethernet cable running from the router, through a hole in the floor we drilled, and straight into his PC. XD We're the only ones who use it. Everyone else uses the wifi. Course, we're also the only ones who the extra speed actually benefits lol