Antikythera Fragment #4 - Ancient Tool Technology - The First Hardened Steel?

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  • Antikythera Fragment #4 - Ancient Tool Technology - The First Hardened #steel
    One of the key tool technologies that needs to be explored around the Antikythera mechanism is the simple hand held file. So this is the second of 2 Fragment videos relating to the making and hardening of a set of custom files, using materials and processes consistent with the period. Thanks for watching!
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    00:09 As part of the process of investigating how the Antikythera Mechanism was made, I've made a set of hand cut files, using mild steel as a substitute for the wrought iron that was likely used in antiquity. But of course when it comes to hardening those cutting surfaces, there's a problem. And its the same problem as that faced by the original maker more than 2000 years ago. Mild steel, has insufficient carbon to simply heat and then quench harden.
    00:37 So in this video I'm going to use the ancient process of case hardening to harden the file surfaces. It involves heating the work in close proximity to a carbon source, to absorb carbon into the surface prior to quenching.
    01:54 The charcoal was then ground into a fine powder, in preparation for making the carbon pack. I mixed the carbon powder with salt and flour in the proportions onscreen, and then turned into a paste with a small amount of water. The paste was then packed ar ound the file surfaces, and then left to thoroughly dry. Now a reasonable degree of case hardening can be achieved by simply heating this carbon pack, as-is.
    02:59 But to optimise the chemical reaction, the process is best conducted in an airtight environment. And traditionally, this was achieved by enclosing the carbon pack in clay. Again for convenience, I'm using a modern propane furnace to do the heating, but a charcoal furnace from the period would have been quite capable of raising the clay to a red heat. And its at this red heat temperature that the transformation begins
    03:44 The metal is now in what's known as the Austenite phase, and has a strong affinity for more carbon. At the same time, the carbon pack is reacting at the steel surface generating a surplus of carbon that diffuses into the body of the steel. Effectively carburising the metal from the outside in. The depth of this carburisation is dependent on time.
    04:05 The longer that I leave it in this heat, the deeper the resulting layer of high carbon steel. So while that's cooking, I'd like to show you the tests that I did earlier to figure out just how long the steel
    needs to remain in the heat. I started with the same mild steel stock as the files, using a control piece and 4 carbon packed pieces. All were enclosed in clay, heated to a red heat, and then quenched in room temperature brine.
    05:06 The Austenite has been transformed into a hard crystalline microstructure known as Martensite. That appears as a silver-white ring around the darker low carbon interior. And you can clearly see it progressing towards the centre of the metal, as a function of time. The longer the material spends in the heat, the
    deeper the layer of martensite. Now a cutting tool like a file doesn't really need the hard layer to be particularly deep.
    07:13 Today, modern steel composition means that there are several ways to form tempered martensite, in addition to the process that I've shown in this video. And we use it in much of our day to day life, mostly without even being aware of it. But in the ancient world, before it even had a name, this is one of the ways
    that it was formed. Using a simple process, and the simplest of ingredients.
    Antikythera Fragment #4 - Ancient Tool Technology - The First Hardened Steel
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    @brandysigmon9066 Před 6 lety +347

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      @benpoole9505 Před 4 lety +2

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  • @linkwokeup
    @linkwokeup Před 4 lety +42

    There's nothing quite like seeing something clearly in the flesh. The way those test rods failed, and the picture perfect grain patterns across the breaks - exceptional. One of the best youtube videos I've ever seen, if not the.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 4 lety +4

      Thanks Mitch, terrific to have you watching :)

  • @Darkknight512
    @Darkknight512 Před 6 lety +333

    I love how the ringing sound of the rods breaking go higher and higher pitched signifying the material hardness change.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +170

      I was so glad that came up on the audio too!

    • @TjallingBlackCat
      @TjallingBlackCat Před 6 lety +18

      Thanks for bringing that up; I totally missed that the first time around!

    • @PeteBrubaker
      @PeteBrubaker Před 6 lety +6

      I was hoping someone else caught that. The pitch difference was amazing!

    • @dm8264
      @dm8264 Před 6 lety +2

      Yea, I noticed that also. So cool!

  • @Nighthawkinlight
    @Nighthawkinlight Před 6 lety +455

    Seeing that crossection of the snapped rods was just awesome. I've never really looked into case hardening before, I have uses for this. Great video

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +18

      Thank you Ben :)

    • @kirkyd123
      @kirkyd123 Před 6 lety +15

      I agree. I had an involuntary jaw drop looking at the cross sections :)

    • @catohallstensen7533
      @catohallstensen7533 Před 5 lety +1

      What carbon content in % will you get from this process? And will it always be the same?

    • @Stormrunner0002
      @Stormrunner0002 Před 5 lety +1

      I was wondering NHIL, what would be the effect on black powder, if it was made with leather char.

    • @zuthalsoraniz6764
      @zuthalsoraniz6764 Před 3 lety +3

      One thing that is fascinating to me is how sharp the transition is. If it were a simple diffusion process, I'd expect a much smoother gradient, with no sharp line visible. I am no metallurgist, but what I guess might be happening is that the reaction from austenite to martensite is the rate-limiting step here, with the diffusion of carbon through the already-formed martensite being a lot faster.

  • @thomasutley
    @thomasutley Před 6 lety +354

    Chris, watching this took me straight back to my mechanical engineering metallurgy/materials science class. The difference is I learned more about carburizing from your video than I did from a PhD metallurgist professor. Excellent presentation!

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +50

      Ha ha! Thank you mate!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel Před 6 lety +16

      Same here! Metallurgy was such a complex field of study. Every metal composition has its own charts and behaviour. There are also so many different effects happening at different temperatures and different material concentrations.

    • @Justplanecrazy25
      @Justplanecrazy25 Před 6 lety +15

      Thomas Utley Seriously! I remember basically looking at charts and atomic structures the whole time! This video brought far more clarity to carburizing over any diagram or text book.

    • @martinjelund9183
      @martinjelund9183 Před 6 lety +7

      I felt the exact same way looking back to my engineering classes. Keep making these great videos!

    • @Zamolxes77
      @Zamolxes77 Před 6 lety +14

      No shit, I subscribe to that, it took me months to understand the carburizing process back in college and how martensite forms, you explain it so well in 5 minutes.
      Comes to prove nothing is hard to learn, as long as you have a dedicated teacher that knows how to present the fucking information in an optimized way for easy assimilation.
      Learned more from several videos of blacksmiths on youtube than in 2 years of material study in college.

  • @BrassLock
    @BrassLock Před 6 lety +95

    In the late 50's Metal Work class I took in High School, we made screwdrivers from mild steel and then case hardened the blade by dipping it into some white paste, heating it and then tempering it to a straw colour. That's all I ever learned until today's fantastic lesson. Now I can repeat the basic case hardening process and make my own leather-stitching needles. Thank You!!

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +15

      Great to have you watching mate :)

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      @vindawg101 Před 6 lety +11

      primitive technology is pretty dope too

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      @ScottyBennitone Před 6 lety +3

      no doubt.

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      @lordchickenhawk Před 6 lety +18

      I'd love to see a "Primitive Technology"/"Clickspring" collaboration video

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      Thank you Julio, I appreciate your encouragement mate :)

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  • @bennmurhaaya8518
    @bennmurhaaya8518 Před 6 lety +42

    Austenite, martenite... I remember this from school. There's a whole complicated steel diagram but never during my school years have I seen such straightforward demonstration like here, with the four differently tempered pieces next to each other.

  • @aussiebloke609
    @aussiebloke609 Před 6 lety +167

    I love how blasé Chris is..."I've made a set of hand-cut files...", like it's something you do of an afternoon when you're bored and have a couple of hours on your hands. Those files look awesome, mate - really nice, fine work there. ☺

    • @leonardpearlman4017
      @leonardpearlman4017 Před 5 lety +17

      It's astounding, really. He makes it seem so reasonable! If I made ONE FILE and it worked, I'd be ready to retire, I'd be showing to people for the rest of my life!

    • @jdlestina3882
      @jdlestina3882 Před 2 lety

      Really. He's like "Let me show you how to boil water so that you too can make oatmeal or hardboiled eggs." 😊

    • @skilletborne
      @skilletborne Před 3 měsíci

      It's something that I do
      Not the files yet, but I've been a tinkerer and maker all my life, and I can see myself doing this same project in my home forge

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  • @oddjobbobb
    @oddjobbobb Před 3 lety +2

    It is no wonder that blacksmithing were looked upon as magicians in the ancient world. Imagine the wonder that must have surrounded the blacksmiths shop when he was able to take salt flour and charcoal and produce a sword that would annihilate the bronze weapons that were also in use. No wonder blacksmiths were guarded and protected by the communities that had them, and often the object of kidnapping by communities that didn’t. Really, really excellent work. I am really enjoying this series of YTs. Thank you for taking the time to produce them.

  • @BennettTheSmith
    @BennettTheSmith Před 5 lety +15

    I have to come back and say thanks again for this video. I've used this process several times now to harden some train spike knives and I just did a rather large axe head! :D Your videos are just excellent.

  • @WoodfulProjects
    @WoodfulProjects Před 3 lety +4

    Been years i’ve been looking for information on how to harden mild steel (basically add carbon). Never been able to find a complete information. This video is gold. Thanks a lot. Subscribed.

  • @TealCheetah
    @TealCheetah Před 3 lety +2

    Cracking the clay open is so satisfying!

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    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +1

      Terrific to have you watching mate :)

  • @AppliedScience
    @AppliedScience Před 6 lety +39

    Very interesting. I love all of your videos, and especially this one!

  • @chrisjh777
    @chrisjh777 Před 6 lety +12

    This is the best explanation (and practical demonstration) of steel hardening I have ever seen. Makes perfect sense. I read somewhere that Ned Kelly used a crude form of hardening for his armour by heating in a fire to add carbon.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +7

      Now that would be a good video... Great to have you watching mate :)

  • @westonmeans7321
    @westonmeans7321 Před 6 lety +4

    Multiple times since I've been in school for engineering I've thought, "man, am I even grasping anything that's going on?"
    Then I see videos like this, or conversations that I take part in, where I actually understand what's going on. Feels good to know I'm learning, even if it feel like I'm not sometimes

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      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +2

      Great to have you watching Weston :)

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    I cannot believe you don’t have more than a million subscribers. You’re brilliant. Our community thanks you.

  • @IFalker
    @IFalker Před 6 lety +15

    Truly intriguing videos, I find myself sitting with my mouth wide open looking at all the amazing stuff you do and the way you present it. Keep it up, can't wait for the next video in line!

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +10

      Thank you mate, more on the way :)

  • @dekonfrost7
    @dekonfrost7 Před 4 lety +4

    This was a key way if making armor defeating arrow heads and spear tips. Good video.

    • @dbmail545
      @dbmail545 Před 4 lety

      Also used to surface harden wrought iron steel swords.

  • @mrayco
    @mrayco Před 4 lety +1

    I never stop seeing this video never getting bored of it .

  • @eliteslayer66
    @eliteslayer66 Před 6 lety +1

    I have no knowledge of any of this, but its nice to listen too while im eating. Good stuff.

  • @yodebdut
    @yodebdut Před 6 lety +9

    So long i have been waiting for a perfect and a well explained video of introduction carbon (carburizing) mild steel... Thank you very much for this beautiful video!

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +6

      So pleased you enjoyed it mate :)

    • @yodebdut
      @yodebdut Před 6 lety

      I have one more question can a knife made of mild steel be through hardened like this?

  • @michaelraath3164
    @michaelraath3164 Před 6 lety +9

    This hands is down,worth the wait for!QUALITY CONTENT

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel Před 6 lety +6

      limbofence Unfortunately those channels with the cheap content get most of the clicks.

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      @robertostman2075 Před 6 lety

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  • @kevinbyrne4538
    @kevinbyrne4538 Před 6 lety +1

    The time, labor, and research that this project required, boggles the mind.
    I am in awe.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +1

      Terrific to have to have you watching mate :)

  • @killerkane1957
    @killerkane1957 Před 6 lety +1

    Click it didn't dawn on me what tools would be required for this project. It makes perfect sense to approach this as they would have. Very impressive. Su Amigo Siempre

  • @arikkone
    @arikkone Před 6 lety +4

    This was absolutely amazing. Again. And the hammer hitting the clay... mmmyees!!

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +5

      and cracking them open really was as much fun as it looks! Great to have you watching mate :)

  • @legotechniccreations6630
    @legotechniccreations6630 Před 6 lety +9

    Woooooo clickspring uploaded a video!!!!
    Now I don't have to watch the clock series for the 5th time. Awesome video!

  • @dtec30
    @dtec30 Před 6 lety +1

    this must have been a fun one to do on a wintery night watching the flames flicker and enjoying the warmth of the fire

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety

      It really was! thanks for watching :)

  • @giorgiograzioli1341
    @giorgiograzioli1341 Před 6 lety +1

    The professor they all wanted to have. You are the divulgator of knowledge for excellence. I'm touched. Thank you

  • @nicholasofalexandria1286
    @nicholasofalexandria1286 Před 6 lety +66

    This is amazing! How did people in the past figure this stuff out!?!? They were certainly not dumb as we like to pretend they were.

    • @robertbackhaus8911
      @robertbackhaus8911 Před 6 lety +23

      Certainly not dumb - but the start would have been the observation that iron heated for a long time in a charcoal fire - something that would happen as a matter of course - becomes hard and brittle when quenched. Wrapping it in a charcoal paste and heating it in different ways would then be an obvious experiment. Just like Wrapping it in clay could have started as a way to stop the paste from burning off.

    • @jaky3
      @jaky3 Před 6 lety +36

      People have been very, very smart for a very long time. think of ancient greeks who thought up mathematics from thin air, of the theorems every single person uses in school and beyond to this day. How arriving at some solution requires you to use Pythagora's theorem for example. It's around 2500 year old concept.
      It's only the combined human knowledge that the smart persons of today push the boundaries further. They aren't necessarily any smarter at all, just have more information available. Standing at the shoulders of giants.

    • @Zamolxes77
      @Zamolxes77 Před 6 lety +21

      If you take an ancient greek human and compare the IQ with a modern human, it would be identical. Our Ancestors from 4,000 years ago were completely identical to us, only difference perhaps would be some enzyme in the gut.
      If you were to take an infant from 4,000 years ago, bring him to the present and teach him, it would turn out no different than any of us.
      The only difference is education. With modern tools we can condense information and we know more about stuff, thanks to the inventivity and experimentation of our ancestors.

    • @simonhopkins3867
      @simonhopkins3867 Před 6 lety +9

      Probably smarter than people today. Idiocracy is real ;-)

    • @leonardpearlman4017
      @leonardpearlman4017 Před 5 lety

      It might have taken ten thousand years!

  • @Seanfrtd
    @Seanfrtd Před 5 lety +9

    Based on the 1/4" rods you can basically make a chart to determine the length of time needed to heat vs thickness of any piece that you are working on in order to achieve the desired depth of carbonation.
    It's almost a better science than today's method for heat treating.
    Assuming that your layer of carbon and the layer of clay are always the same thickness...

  • @thomask940
    @thomask940 Před 4 lety +1

    Martensite...wonderful explanation. Most enjoyable demonstration. Thank you kindly, good Sir.

  • @thadgan
    @thadgan Před 6 lety +1

    Jesus Christ mate. You make tools to make tools to make an old clock thing? There is soo much detail and authenticity involved. You even used period correct tool, techniques and methods to make these stuff. That antikythera you're making should belong in a museum mate. Even you videos are really high quality. Hats off... Easily one of the best channels on youtube. Its a shame you should be getting paid more from views on youtube.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +1

      Terrific to have you watching mate :)

  • @richardjoyce1102
    @richardjoyce1102 Před 6 lety +58

    The files are part cow now

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +71

      Yes different from the udder ones I use...

    • @Yonatan24
      @Yonatan24 Před 6 lety +18

      These comments always put me in a good moooooood

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +30

      should we milk this?

    • @Yonatan24
      @Yonatan24 Před 6 lety +9

      Chris, any type of mooooovie that you film is interesting!

    • @doubledarefan
      @doubledarefan Před 6 lety +5

      That would be a good moooove.

  • @Clickspring
    @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +120

    One of the key tool technologies that needs to be explored around the Antikythera mechanism is the simple hand held file. So this is the second of 2 Fragment videos relating to the making and hardening of a set of custom files, using materials and processes consistent with the period. Thanks for watching!
    The first video where I make the files can be found here: czcams.com/video/SOw9WqMOHjA/video.html

    • @nachtdiertje1972
      @nachtdiertje1972 Před 6 lety +5

      Wow, great videos as usual, but where do you get the new items? Every vid is a new subject and with firm background, but still interesting. I love your technique(s) and the way you show them.

    • @fredrik.larsen
      @fredrik.larsen Před 6 lety +3

      This is really superb stuff. Thank you so much for sharing :) I love the nerdy details.

    • @AemilianaRosewood
      @AemilianaRosewood Před 6 lety +2

      Clickspring about ur clickspring fire piston, didnt u make an exact video like that before?! And what's up with this channel and make channel? Ur the same persons

    • @Kineth1
      @Kineth1 Před 6 lety +2

      @Toast 4 Unicorn CZcams tells me that I already watched the fire piston video, so I'm guessing he republished it in coordination with the patreon discount for it.

    • @MrShadowRabbit
      @MrShadowRabbit Před 6 lety +6

      This was really a great vid! lots of info, explained in an easy way to understand. I'm a gold smith and diamond setter from South Africa. I'm having trouble finding good quality tools. Planing on making a lot of my own hand tools. Thanks for posting this. It's going to be really help ful. BTW great job on those files!

  • @rgetso
    @rgetso Před 6 lety

    Even the infomercial for the Clickspring Fire Starter was fascinating!

  • @benemeth
    @benemeth Před 6 lety +1

    You are one very interesting, skilled, dedicated, ingenuitive and intelligent individual. I always enjoy your videos. Nice work!

    • @benemeth
      @benemeth Před 6 lety +1

      Awesome video by the way. It was very interesting and a real pleasure to watch.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety

      Cheers mate, appreciate you tuning in :)

  • @bikefarmtaiwan1800
    @bikefarmtaiwan1800 Před 6 lety +4

    I had foolishly thought the Antikythera videos would not be as entertaining and educational as the clock build videos.... silly me :( Super work Chris- well done mate!

  • @GreenBeetle
    @GreenBeetle Před 6 lety +42

    So. Awesome.

  • @sgtbrown4273
    @sgtbrown4273 Před rokem +2

    This was amazing to see! The center of the rods with the times and what you used to achieve this was absolutely reviling ! As a beginning blacksmith I learned a lot ! thank you for posting this.

  • @SUPERIONWINS
    @SUPERIONWINS Před 6 lety

    cracking open those clay casings must be so satisfying

  • @bnjyable
    @bnjyable Před 6 lety +6

    Three videos on the same day!? I must be dreaming :D

  • @TheBaconWizard
    @TheBaconWizard Před 6 lety +5

    This was very cool. Subscribed :)
    I am curious what purpose the salt has in the carbon-mixture.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +4

      I am too - The old texts are clear that common salt (NaCl) is essential for success, but are silent on its precise purpose. My guess is that it acts as a catalyst for the CO reaction, but I have no evidence to support that guess :)

    • @sorushflummi411
      @sorushflummi411 Před rokem

      @@Clickspring Super aAmazing Video and Great Insights!!
      I had the same Question, can You test it? Doing the same Process with varying Amounts of Salt?
      Also for the Carbon Source probably any Carbon can be used?

  • @Magicwinguy
    @Magicwinguy Před 6 lety

    I could watch your videos non-stop this is the best channel on CZcams

  • @southronjr1570
    @southronjr1570 Před 4 lety +1

    I was taught a very old school way to reharden the frizzen of a flintlock rifle when I was very young. I was told to take chicken or deer bones, crush them into a powder, clean the frizzen of all the grease or blind that remained, make a heavy leather bag that is big enough to hold the frizzen and keep the bone powder completely encasing the frizzen, tie the bag closed and then make a ball of clay or thick mud wih the bag in the middle. Let it dry and then place it in the hottest part of the campfire before you cook dinner, after dinner was done and cleaned up (at least an hour) take it out and quickly smash the pottery ball and on the bank of a stream by cracking it open between 2 rocks at the waters edge and make sure the frizzen gets into the water immeadiately, then fish the frizzen out and it would be hard. I was warned that you could break the frizzen if it was roughly handled before you could set it on the edge of the campfire and let the rest of the frizzen turn blue but the face couldn't be discolored at all. He never mentioned cleaning the scale off but figured it out quick the first time I tried it.

  • @superdau
    @superdau Před 6 lety +6

    Watching this project I got to say that I care way more about the way it could be (and most likely was) done than the project itself. I often ask myself what could be done without all the benefits of modern civilization.

  • @nickwoo2
    @nickwoo2 Před 6 lety +4

    That grain structure is quite large. I would recommend normalizing 2-3 times before quenching. The carbon will remain in the steel in this quick process and would greatly improve structure.

    • @rich1051414
      @rich1051414 Před 6 lety

      He was not making a modern file, but an ancient representation of files they would be using. AFAIK, tempering is the only normalization that was performed back then.

    • @nickwoo2
      @nickwoo2 Před 6 lety

      Richard Smith i do not believe tempering does anything to the grain. I'll have to check on that but still we can use out knowledge of normalizing to make a better tool even of it is old style .

    • @D-Vinko
      @D-Vinko Před 4 lety

      @@nickwoo2 His intention was never to make a better tool, it was entirely about the abilities of the ancients.
      Ancient people didnt understand the complexities of normalization; they just knew that heating metal to a certain color, and treating it a certain way, caused it to get hard and brittle, or soft and malleable.
      His intention is to discover how they made such a fine and complex machine using only their ancient knowledge.

  • @dbmail545
    @dbmail545 Před 4 lety +2

    I have always been fascinated by how the tools are made that make the tools. This channel is quite the resource for anyone interested in iron-age technology.

  • @racma8698
    @racma8698 Před 6 lety +1

    What an historical lesson of tools ! Applauses and callback. Thank you very much indeed.

  • @eumoria
    @eumoria Před 6 lety +14

    Question! If you were worried about air why did you make a loose fit in the clay with a broomstick then drop the carbon wrapped file into it. It's isolated from the fire but is just bouncing around in that space full of gas. Wouldn't it been better to roll clay around the file tightly, no gap? I'm sure there's a reason why not.
    Thanks!

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +30

      Space is required to permit expansion of the metal without cracking, the airtight seal is required to ensure that the carbon monoxide reaction remains in equilibrium - thanks for watching and asking :)

    • @superdau
      @superdau Před 6 lety +2

      Compared to the carbon wrap there's almost no oxygen in the cavity around it. There's no problem if a little bit of the carbon burns. It uses up most of the oxygen immediately, then the reaction stays at a steady state.

    • @gregfeneis609
      @gregfeneis609 Před 6 lety

      Perhaps could purge the clay cavity with CO2 or some such before sealing up?

    • @jasondoe2596
      @jasondoe2596 Před 6 lety +1

      Greg Feneis, why? Some carbon will burn with the oxygen and turn into the very same CO2 (and CO ;)

  • @priestleyharker4046
    @priestleyharker4046 Před 5 lety +3

    How to get a subscriber, be like this dude.
    Legend, and an Aussie!

  • @Ivo--
    @Ivo-- Před 6 lety +1

    Very cool to see the inside of the rods.

  • @Cherokee140Driver
    @Cherokee140Driver Před 6 lety +1

    Your level of commitment to this project is astonishing.

  • @VyacheslavAzarov
    @VyacheslavAzarov Před 6 lety +3

    Nice video. What is the purpose of salt in the mix?

  • @robertlombardo8437
    @robertlombardo8437 Před 4 lety +3

    You're a genius! I've been looking all over for such a process as this!
    Does it have to be charred leather or could I use any source of carbon? I've got a lot of dry palm fronds.

  • @stuckinbabylon186
    @stuckinbabylon186 Před 6 lety +1

    Breaking the hot clay out looks so so satisfying

  • @johnkelley9877
    @johnkelley9877 Před 6 lety +1

    I was wondering you heat treated the files. This is the best channel on You Tube.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +1

      Terrific to have you watching John :)

  • @artconnolly9519
    @artconnolly9519 Před 6 lety +3

    so interesting

  • @derekstratton6063
    @derekstratton6063 Před 6 lety +19

    what is the significance of heating the completed files to a straw color and a blue color on the back end?

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +51

      It tempers the very brittle steel back to something that will survive the force of cutting. If I left them full hard, they would very rapidly chip and become blunt - thanks for watching and asking :)

    • @cojones8518
      @cojones8518 Před 6 lety +7

      Just to add, different oxides form on the surface of steel at different temperatures. It's an ancient way to gauge temperatures. Tempering softens the steel based on how hot you heat it. Yellow/straw is formed at a low temp ~200C, so it won't soften the steel much. Blue and Purple form at hotter temps ~300-350C and will soften the steel quite a bit.

    • @fisharmor
      @fisharmor Před 6 lety +8

      The tang is heated blue because it's the interface with the user and experiences more flexing stress than other parts of the tool. It's made as soft as possible because it doesn't need to be hard, and softening it will make sure that undue stress will bend it prior to snapping it.
      Knife and sword tangs are done the same way.

    • @JeepTherapy
      @JeepTherapy Před 6 lety +1

      I thought it just allowed for the atoms to rearrange themselves so that they're not clustered on the atomic level. That would later cause microscopic fractures and break?

    • @D-Vinko
      @D-Vinko Před 4 lety +1

      @@JeepTherapy You are thinking of Nornalizing, which is bringing the metal up to a more critical temperature, then allowing it to cool in air.
      This causes the metal to "relax", as it were.
      Tempering, more or less, is normalizing on a very small scale.
      Bringing the temperature up to a far lower temperature, then allowing it to cook in air, normalizing it very very minimally, which relaxes some of the tightness caused by hardening.

  • @kalleklp7291
    @kalleklp7291 Před 5 lety +1

    I started looking at the Antikythera mechanism and how you made it. Now I'm watching a video about hardening your own files...
    I must say your videos are highly addictive and that you've gone through a tremendous amount of work in order to make this machine with tools and methods available to the old greeks.

  • @francispaul5621
    @francispaul5621 Před 6 lety

    I wish all public education was delivered as well as your videos. Maybe they can be, it’s only a question of resources. Thanks for the inspiration Chris and done with style too.

  • @ChrisB257
    @ChrisB257 Před 6 lety +3

    Interesting formulation for the carbon - source - never seen or tried that one. usually use a mix of charcoal and bone meal I think it is. Yours certainly seem super effective.
    That was a great demo.

    • @dekonfrost7
      @dekonfrost7 Před 4 lety +1

      ChrisB257 the bone meal ads phosphorus

  • @UtubeEric12345
    @UtubeEric12345 Před 6 lety +3

    Awesome video, as always =D
    A question: what kind of clay is the white clay that you used for the other shell? It's looks very nice and malleable.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +2

      I used this clay: shop.walkerceramics.com.au/AA21/Feeneys-White-Stoneware-~10kg-NEW/pd.php I don't have any experience to compare, but it performed the task well :)

    • @UtubeEric12345
      @UtubeEric12345 Před 6 lety +1

      Clickspring Great, thanks mate!

  • @garryhammond7616
    @garryhammond7616 Před 5 lety +1

    Staggering video. You have explained the basics in just 8.47. In a way that everyone can understand. Thank you.

  • @TeamStevers
    @TeamStevers Před 5 lety +1

    You make the best videos on CZcams. No hyperbole.

  • @Rouverius
    @Rouverius Před 6 lety +8

    Ah, the ole's file inside the cake trick. Do prison guard's still fall for this?

  • @PastenTube
    @PastenTube Před 6 lety +4

    So could you basically use this dark coloured clay the way you used it to get high carbon steel for knifemaking out of a normal flat bar of soft steel? Hope you understand what I mean. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I have absolutely no clue about metalworking but want to learn it step by step.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +5

      You could, but as good as the results were for the ancient world, today you'll get a much better result for knifemaking with the modern alloy steels - thanks for watching and asking :)

    • @PastenTube
      @PastenTube Před 6 lety +2

      Thanks for answering my question :)

  • @kenlilienthal3537
    @kenlilienthal3537 Před 6 lety +2

    This is the best case hardening video I have seen. Thank you for this very helpful video. I love your projects!

  • @thecosmologist
    @thecosmologist Před 3 lety +2

    You make the most professionally produced, informative videos I have seen on CZcams, the video photography is exquisite and narration and content captivating. I can think of many more superlatives to throw into this comment but I will just end it with a thank you.

  • @TakeshiM
    @TakeshiM Před 6 lety +82

    man, the last time I was this early, I had to be kept in an incubator for a month...

  • @user-ge4uk9ui8y
    @user-ge4uk9ui8y Před 4 lety +4

    What if you made bread from that carbon flour dough?

    • @skunkjobb
      @skunkjobb Před 3 lety

      That would be a high carbon diet :-)

  • @abnorcscreenname8489
    @abnorcscreenname8489 Před 6 lety +1

    Awesome video! The fact that these techniques were known so long ago blows my mind.

  • @bfayer
    @bfayer Před 6 lety +1

    Great shot on the end of the sample pieces showing the depth of penetration.

  • @tk429
    @tk429 Před 6 lety +3

    Why leather charcoal instead of wood?
    Also, could you take a small item and do the process for say 120 - 150 minutes. Would that completely convert it to steel?

    • @calicodan1556
      @calicodan1556 Před 6 lety +3

      Tim Fox Uniformity of carboni think. Leather has been processed to be pretty much all one material (fibourous skin structures) whereas wood contains many more materials, lignin, cellulose etc

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +6

      Its hard to be sure on this Tim - Animal based charcoal is specified in all of the old texts that I tracked down, but the actual reason for using it in preference to simple wood charcoal is not specified. Color case hardening of gun parts uses animal based charcoal too, and apparently the use of wood charcoal attenuates the color effect - so it would appear that there's a lot more going on in the chemistry than is immediately apparent - thanks for watching and asking mate :)

    • @CorwynGC
      @CorwynGC Před 6 lety +1

      Clickspring Perfect charcoal would be 100% carbon. grinding is going to remove any large scale structure that might be different. Still confused.

    • @matman7546
      @matman7546 Před 6 lety

      CorwynGC ya it doesn't make sense. Ground up carbon is ground up carbon

    • @simon_far
      @simon_far Před 6 lety +4

      except it isn't pure carbon, everything has impurities, apparently the impurities in animal-based carbon work better than the impurities in plant-based carbon.

  • @goose300183
    @goose300183 Před 6 lety +5

    I bet you can make great sausage rolls.

    • @sandervanduren2779
      @sandervanduren2779 Před 6 lety +1

      goose183 as in Worstenbroodjes?

    • @goose300183
      @goose300183 Před 6 lety

      Yes, similar to that. Ours here in the UK do not have bread or yeast though, just pastry. The way he prepares the case-hardening samples from 3:00 onwards reminds me of them.

    • @sandervanduren2779
      @sandervanduren2779 Před 6 lety

      goose183 that sounds pretty good. Is it a flaky pastry?

  • @Passco666
    @Passco666 Před 6 lety +1

    When I watching your video I want to be a blacksmith.. Your videos are stunning with high image quality. Thank you

  • @silkjc
    @silkjc Před 6 lety +1

    You turned cow into file. A+ would watch again.

  • @mathewritchie
    @mathewritchie Před 6 lety +3

    Why add salt?.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +5

      As best as I can tell, its a catalyst for the CO reaction, but I haven't been able to track down a definitive answer on that yet - thanks for watching and asking Mathew :)

    • @robertbackhaus8911
      @robertbackhaus8911 Před 6 lety +1

      My thought is that salt is used in cooking to improve the structure of dough - which is what you make with flour and water. So it makes sense that it would have been added at some time to stop the paste from cracking. It probably then was found to improve the hardening.

    • @superdau
      @superdau Před 6 lety

      I know as a kid we sometimes made "play dough" out of flour, salt and water. When left to dry it went hard and could even be painted. So maybe it's mostly used for its shaping properties? (and flour sure doesn't hurt when you want carbon around)

  • @terrymarkowski8762
    @terrymarkowski8762 Před 6 lety +1

    at last someone showing how case hardening works and its history very well done thank you very much

  • @JoeyJoeJoeJuniorShabadoo16

    I could watch you break open those clay hardening cases for hours

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety

      I gotta tell you Joe, that was by far the best part of the job - they pop open with a seriously satisfying crack! Cheers mate :)

  • @rodehliamacaspac682
    @rodehliamacaspac682 Před 4 lety +1

    Now i know what to do to the scrap leather from the shoe factories nearby. Thanks for the idea and inspiration.... now, its time for the perspiration. Keep up the top rate videos.

  • @whiskeygordon2452
    @whiskeygordon2452 Před 6 lety +1

    I know someone has already said this but. "This is hands down the best and most informative channel on CZcams"

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety

      Thank you mate, very much appreciate your encouragement :)

  • @MrAluminox
    @MrAluminox Před 6 lety +1

    @ Clicckspring Many thanks, it's absolutely the cheapest, simplest and safest method for case hardening the small custom chisels, gouges and others steel tools I use in my jewelry work.

  • @voltairegoethe
    @voltairegoethe Před 4 lety +1

    Case Hahdened Production. Mighty Fine. Thank You.

  • @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT

    Outstanding Chris!! This is the first time I see someone talking about case hardening and actually disclosing the method, materials and proportions in a clear easy to use way. I bet most machinists in CZcams will just tell you to use Casenit and the process takes 4 hours for 0.8mm penetration - You achieved much more, with common materials. Bravo!!

  • @Oldtanktapper
    @Oldtanktapper Před 3 lety +1

    Tried this method for case hardening a mild steel chasing hammer head I made, worked a treat! I used a steel box instead of a clay crucible, and fired it in an electric kiln for about an hour at 900°c. I used leather charcoal made from an old pair of work boots, it's definitely got a different texture to wood charcoal, though I couldn't say how the difference effects the hardening process. Love the old tech methods, thanks for sharing!

  • @gotmunchiez
    @gotmunchiez Před 6 lety +1

    When you first started this series I wasn't sure it was going to be as engaging as the clock series. Glad you proved me wrong! These really are among the best videos on CZcams, your content, narration and production are all absolutely spot on.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety

      Thanks very much Chris, I appreciate you sticking 'round :)

  • @RichardDenRooyen1973
    @RichardDenRooyen1973 Před 4 měsíci

    This video is such a eyeopener for every craftsperson .... love this channel

  • @trentoncarr
    @trentoncarr Před 6 lety +1

    Without a doubt, the best video I have ever seen, in all the years I've spent time here.
    Simply mind-blowing! Well done.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety

      Thank you mate, terrific to have you watching :)

  • @lionofsouthasia
    @lionofsouthasia Před 6 lety +1

    making tools yourself is amazing make videos like this

  • @Alltakenbla
    @Alltakenbla Před 2 měsíci

    The ingenuity of mankind. Simply outerwordly.

  • @perrydear6306
    @perrydear6306 Před 2 lety +1

    This is fantastic! The quality of production the information imparted all first class!

  • @tulugozgur
    @tulugozgur Před 6 lety +1

    This video was very educational. I always knew about carburisation but first time I understood how it really works after seeing those martensite rings. Thank you for your efforts.

  • @adrianwilliams763
    @adrianwilliams763 Před 6 lety +1

    Awesome. Appreciate your hard work to bring us these videos.

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety

      Cheers Adrian, terrific to have you watching mate :)

  • @nonyabeeznuss304
    @nonyabeeznuss304 Před 6 lety +1

    Love it! You often see old artifacts that are amazing, but what often gets overlooked is how many simple tools we take forgranted today had to be invented to make the major artifact possible.

  • @KozmykJ
    @KozmykJ Před 5 lety +2

    I'm glad someone like yourself doing this research.
    When they take back to the Stone Age we're going to need knowledge like this...

  • @zartas91
    @zartas91 Před 6 lety +1

    Clickspring you are making such a Great work!! These side videos of the new Project are as interesting as the principal ones! Thank you so much!

    • @Clickspring
      @Clickspring  Před 6 lety +1

      So pleased you are enjoying them mate!