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Quick Tip: Pt 1 - SBRs & the NFA
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Brownells Gun Tech™ Caleb Savant gives us an overview of the National Firearms Act of 1934, usually called just "the NFA" for short. The NFA is the Federal law that requires you to ask Uncle Sam's permission through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives ("the ATF"), if you want to own certain items. Those items include a short-barreled rifle (SBR), sound suppressor, machinegun, or short-barreled shotgun. When gun geeks refer to "an NFA item," they mean a firearm or firearm component that is regulated by the Act. If you meet the Act's requirements, you can submit an application, pay for a $200 tax stamp, and if the ATF approves you application, you can own the item in question.
You do have to live in a state whose laws allow you to own the NFA item you're applying for. For example, in Iowa, the home state of Brownells, civilian ownership of suppressors and SBRs became legal only fairly recently (2016 and 2017 respectively). Check your own state's laws to find out which NFA items you can own.
A Short-Barreled Rifle or SBR is any firearm with a shoulder stock and a rifled barrel that is LESS than 16" long. If you want to own an SBR, you have to apply to the ATF and pay $200 for the tax stamp.
So what's the difference between an SBR and an AR-15 pistol? An AR-15 (or similar) pistol has a rifled barrel less than 16" long and either has just a bare, usually short, buffer tube or a pistol brace. Caution: The ATF has announced it will introduce new rules for pistol braces in December 2022, which may affect the legality of brace ownership.
"All right, Caleb, suppose I'm willing to pay $200 for the tax stamp. How do I go about getting my SBR?" Caleb answers that very important question in our next Quick Tip episode. Relax, we're releasing it on the same day as this video!
NOTE: Products in this video are to be used only for lawful purposes, including hunting, self-defense, and competitive or recreational shooting. If you purchase any of them, you are responsible for understanding and complying with all federal, state, and local laws that apply to the purchase, possession, and use of these products.
Repeal the NFA!!!
Amen
You just made "The List", buddy!
@@chrissewell1608 were already on the list with ya
Lol. 1/3 of gun owners will fight to KEEP the NFA.
Chris- you make the list when you touch a gun
"They wanted to make this so most people could not afford it" is the exact reason I'm against most gun restrictions. Powerful and wealthy people having all of the firepower doesn't sound too constitutional to me.
$200 is expensive now, but it would be the equivalent of $6,000 then. The NFA was designed to keep all but the very rich from having the fun guns. Today it still generally prevents low and middle income individuals from getting them.
It’s so awful when you’re looking at realistically purchasing something full auto. The prices are insane as a normal working stiff and I shouldn’t have to pay a $200 extortion fee to get my rights from my government. Not to mention registering something with the government the 2nd amendment was created to help me defend myself from in the event they became tyrannical.
@@RedHuntsman more the prices of said weapons to blame for the poors not having them.
@@RedHuntsman - False. You literally made that all up. Sneakers cost $200 these days. Getting a tax stamp for a NFA firearm is still dirt cheap.
@@johnhenry3536 My point was that $200 in 1934 was cost prohibitive for all but the wealthy. Simply because the $200 stamp was not inflation adjusted over the years doesn't remove law's taint that was de-facto ban.
No differences of opinion
NFA needs to go !
ATF as well !
Agree 100%, get rid of NFA and ATF, just so corrupt and unconstitutional.
@@pbell1107 Thank you. Have a great day and be safe my friend.
Here Here!
The ATF is a product of the 1968 GCA, which is an addendum to the GCA, which should be abolished as well.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Hey, Sinister, I agree.
Book em Dano!
Sorry, it just came to mind.
Have a great evening my friend.
_"Asking permission to exercise a Right turns that Right into a privilege."_ *~Principle based off of Murdock v. Pennsylvania :: 319 U.S. 105 (1943)*
Stay classy my friends.
I was a Midway USA guy first , then Brownells. I use to think of Brownells as more specific parts. But I came to impasse with Midway USA when they caved to pressure especially with 80% kits and related items. It really burned my ass , when midway says they are supporters of the NRA and donate money from each purchase because of the customer. Now maybe I don’t know all the details , but that pissed me off. Now I am a Brownells customer first.
Thank you Caleb my brother paratrooper!
Sorry using the wife's account...
Same here. I remember my father had a thick numrich catalog in the garage back in the day. Brownells has been able to keep up with the evolving online community. We didn't used to really give it a second thought about gun laws, you just followed the law. Now, we kind of get that when you give anti-gunners an inch they take a mile. No more infringements.
Rumor has it that Caleb's hair is CNC laser cut.
Here in CA, NFA means No Firearms Allowed. 😂
$200 in 1934 would be $4,224 today
It would cost $4,447.94 today.
Thank goodness they haven't adjusted it to inflation
@@JW--dc8ri Part of our compensation should include the offending party paying all stamp taxes as restitution to the victims, adjusted for inflation.
The rate of adjustment should be from the offending date (1934), to the present for every stamp tax demanded for people to exercise inalienable rights.
That's a lot of crack!
One benefit of having retarded authoritarian Gaylords in charge back in the day is that they were retarded
True fact: Caleb is not allowed to fly commercial airlines due to his sharp looking haircut.
🤣
@@82delta i am jealous of his hair. Mine used to be dark like that 40 years ago.
Now they can see me from the international space station every time i take my hat off.
True - I've seen his photo posted in multiple airports. 😀
NFA IS CRIMINAL. My opinion
Yep. Nullify and don't observe.
They were wanting semi auto pistols to fall under that as well
Yeppers, original intent of the NFA was for handguns to be "well-regulated" (says all infected by Aunty Anti's malarkey), 'cause of concealability I guess.
Well said, Caleb. For now, we must live with the NFA. Knowing how best to serve our wants and needs within NFA restrictions is very good information to have.
There is no “we” in this. It’s an individual choice ❤
It should have been repealed decades ago.
But no information (as per usual) of the REASON the SBR/SBS Provision was added to begin with and how that premise/reason was removed to pass it leaving the short barrel long gun provisions by windfall making absolutely no sense. Give you a hint they were trying to defacto ban all concealable weapons…… and it was so people couldn’t just make those small concealable weapons (that we carry everyday in every state today) out of long guns to get around it…. Don’t worry cause no one with a following wants to educate, they’re gona add those small concealable weapons back to the NFA “in the original intent” like they’ve recently said because everyone wants to cling to the status quo instead of educating themselves and others and roll this stuff back.
Love the AT-4 back in the safe 🤣
Great video, Caleb. Good information, thanks for defining the acronyms.
The same can be said of full autos today. The law has made it all but impossible for the average person to own a full auto thanks to the Hughes amendment. If you happen to be made of money, and you can afford to pony up 35 to 50 grand+ for a legally transferable machine gun, you can own one...thanks Reagan.
LeGaLly TrAnSfErAbLe MaChInE gUn
You better thank the father of (modern) Republicans
@@nomad155 the founder of modern republicans was actually called southern dixiecrats who migrated from the democrat party. The Dixiecrats were among the first to force jime crowe anti gun laws which would say crazy things like no 4th amendment for black citizens and that private citizens were legally allowed to trespass inside their homes.
@@nomad155
For being a great puppet?
And of course that cut down crime lol
A great source of useful and clear information, thank you.
Glad you made this video. I try to get more people familiar with NFA items and even try to persuade them to start their own collection. Sadly to many don't want to jump through the hoops or have the Feds "register" a firearm to them.
Just a note here: a pinned and welded flash hidder muzzle device to an otherwise 14.5 barrel, that makes it at least 16 inches long, is NOT an SBR, i.e. SIG 516 Gen2 upper (pinned and welded by manufacturer)
Great video, Lots of information
I love Calebs based AF disclaimers and food for thought bits 🙌🙌
We need the United States of Caleb
All in favor
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F the NFA
Great information!!!
The reason for the fee was because they knew banning was unconstitutional, but they decided taxing the right was okay. Suppressors we’re included because they thought poachers were using them. I had hoped the election would have gone better and we could lobby our legislators to repeal the NFA.
Neither political party actually supports gun rights. May I remind you that the "bump stock ban" was a Trump/Republican initiative? We need to elect INDIVIDUALS that support the Second Amendment, regardless of political affiliation, and hold them accountable when they stab us in the back.
Enact the hearing protection act
I got an SBR and a Suppressor and had to pay the $200 extortion fee on both.
Caleb, I feel much safer knowing that you're square on your taxes.
Caleb for President!
forgot to mention rifle overall length less than 26 inches. measured from a fixed or removeable muzzle device all the way back to the stock and if it is a collapsible stock, you have to extend it to the furthest setting.
It was deemed illegal to tax polls because you can't tax a right. So how is the NFA allowed to stand?
Because it has never made it to the supreme court since congress passed the law in 1934. The Feds will not allow a case to make it that far. The last one that tried was in 1938 and he died of suddenly just before his case was to be heard. Nothing since then has made it.
Former PADI MSDT. Crossed over to SSI several years ago. Totally agree with everything you said. Not a PADI fan.
Love that rocket launcher just chilling in the background 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you 😊
Quick Tip: SBRs & Tyranny - I would have liked that title better :D
I'm becoming a tax stamp enthusiast at 5 right now.1 SBR currently so as to have what I want and not be in a Federal prison if it's used for the intended lawful purpose. Form1 eForms are currently running 90 days with form 4 being 180+ on eForms.
Thanks for willingly funding one of the most corrupt alphabet agencies.
@@gifthorse3675 So you either pay no taxes and are just an eater or too ignorant to understand this is the system since 1934 long before that alphabet agency came to be.
Caleb 2024!
Short Barreled Rifles were never part of the original draft legislation proposed by then Attorney General Homer Stille Cummings. It wasn’t until the incessant queries by Congressman Harold Knutson about worries of rifles being affected, did they even discuss rifles. No mention of rifles was in the original draft, but short barreled shotguns were specifically called out for restriction. Knutson claims to have been concerned about hunters back home, and wanted to make sure there were provisions to prevent hunting rifles from being regulated. AG Cummings kept assuring him there was no intent to address rifles. Knutson thought that making rifles and shotguns limited to, not 16” for shotguns as proposed by the AG, but 18” for extra credit would it be reasonable to keep the legislation from harming hunters.
The final draft almost made it through without any provisions for rifles, but Knutson piped-in again to remind them of his 18” proposal for both, resulting in rifles and shotguns being restricted to 18” for the final bill. They also discussed the obvious unconstitutionality of the bill, but threw a wild attempt at getting it passed by claiming it was a tax instead of an outright ban. AG Cummings knew he was unlikely to get the NFA passed, but took a shot anyway. His main goal was to ban pistols through a $5 taxation and registration process, which was stricken from the bill after expert testimony from the NRA President at the time.
The rifle barrel length restriction was inexplicably amended to 16", while leaving shotguns at 18” in the 1960s. NFA historians have been trying to discover why for many years through archival research, but I am not aware of any verifiable explanations to-date.
During the 1934 hearings, any reasons for restricting suppressors were never discussed. We still don’t know why they were including in AG Cummings’ assault on the Bill of Rights.
If these matters were taken before the Supreme Court, they could easily be dispensed with as 100% unconstitutional, since you can’t legally tax rights. The arbitrary restrictions on barrel lengths, types of weapons, and suppressors were never supported with factual data, and all were offensive to the Bill of Rights.
shouldn't need to pay a $200 extortion fee just to have a barrel shorter than the arbitrary lengths that were picked in 1934
I had read that part of it being implemented was to try and curve the gangsters and their firearm violence. All it did was to make them acquire them illegally.
Don't forget that the gangsters of the era were stereotyped as all being Italian, Irish, and Jewish. Two of those groups were also guilty of being Catholic as well as still being considered immigrants. 1934 was also the peak era of the "clan-with-a-K" being openly involved with politics. Gun laws have never been about safety or crime prevention.
Caleb for president
Your first line should have been "Abolish the NFA. And now for the video!" 😂
Curious. If I purchased a AR Pistol with a barrel under 16” and a pistol brace. Can I replace the pistol brace with a rifle stock and interchange the stocks as desired for a particular purpose. Say pistol for home defense and rifle stock for hunting.
Can you go over the engraving requirements ?
I have short arms and need an adjustable stock. Can I stay within SBR laws if I purchase an adjustable stock for the Sig Sauer Spear MCX Lt, 9”, 300 blackout and pay the tax stamp? Liked & subscribed!
How do the SCOTUS rulings affect the states that prohibit SBR's later down the road? Will the states then have to comply?
SBRs also include shoulder-stocked rifled firearms that have an overall length less than 26" when the stock is fully extended.
From muzzle to stock if it’s over 26” it does not qualify as SBR
@@BeastJerky If it has a stock and the rifled barrel is less than 16", it must be registered as a SBR regardless of overall length. If it has a stock and the rifled barrel is at least 16" long, but the overall length is less than 26", it must be registered as a SBR.
Do you need to get the tax stamp this years deer season, this week? I have a 300blk out pistol and is it now illegal ?
There is LEAD in these bullets!
If i already own an ar pistol and want to form 1 for SBR, do i keep the firearm arm and wait for tax stamp and then i can put a stock on it. Never did thus and didnt know if you physically already had the firearm
"If you're not willing to give your life for freedom, you don't have freedom."
"William Cooper"
My quick tip is a law repundent the Constitution is void, which mean the NFA, GCA, Hughes and Brady should already be off the books and no longer enforced.
Even more so now that the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment is on par with other Amendments like the First. So if it is right, than it cannot be taxed like religion, and voting, which is why we need to press even harder to get these laws repealed or found to be unconstitutional. (The sooner the better, since I have been about getting this done for well over 30 years.)
I'd like to see a comparison of 9mm through an 8" barrel vs a 16" barrel.
Extra Credit: using the same firearm with a barrel takedown (ie: CryHavoc QRB).
The main thing to note about pistol caliber velocity in longer barrels is that it can help or hurt performance. Hollow points are designed to expand at certain velocities and can get unpredictable expansion when going past that velocity. That being said, when it comes to pistol calibers the longer barrel isn’t always the answer when trying to get the best performance from a variety of loads.
is it worth to SBR a pistol with brace, if pistol brace will be listed as a NFA? Have a Zenith Firearms Z-5RS SB that i haven't shot in years. Would it be better just to remove the brace.
Under the new possible rule from the ATF coming in December, you just might need to remove your current brace from your firearm
what is the model weapon that is on display? like the brand of the handguard and lower receiver.
Caleb! Is it a trick of the light or do I see gray showing up in your sideburns?
Nah, his dye isn't working well.
A black sharpie will touch that up without any problem!
So can you add any caliber to an sbr lower?
The NFA clearly violates the Bruen decision besides violating the Second Amendment. Most guys I know just ignore these restrictions altogether.
In ct we have “others”. Has to have a barrel over 12 inches, a pistol brace, and a vertical fore- grip. Since it has a brace its not a rifle, and since it has a vertical fore-grip its not a pistol.
Yeah I hear CT enjoys infringing on peoples right
Any thoughts on the ATF trying to change the "rules" on arm braces for AR style rifles so that they're essentially classified as shoulder stocks and thus must be registered as NFA items?
What kind of question is that? Did you happen to miss the first minute and a half of video where he said the NFA is “unfortunate” and “would not exist if it was the United States of Caleb”....
This reclassification nonsense regarding pistol braces is not settled as of yet. All sides are posturing and I believe we will hear more before Christmas.
There is no set ruling made yet. No one knows, no one. Keep living your life normally.
AR pistols are in common use and thus protected by the 2A. The MA vs Caetano decision is more than enough to win pistol brace litigations. The Bruen vs NYSRPA decision is even bigger. The Bruen decision is going to help more in other litigations.
I'm a Brit and can only admire this stuff on CZcams in my lunch break ;) Is an SBR an "issue" requring special treatment because of potentially greater concealability? Thanks!
[Later edit] After watching another video it seems that an AR pistol with a pistol brace is fine, so the issue seems not to be concealability. So back to zero in trying to understand why there is the requirement of a 200-dollar tax stamp and ATF permission for an SBR.
fair question. unfortunately there is no answer. the descriptions and definitions within the law are arbitrary. For example, a shotgun must have an 18 inch barrel whereas a rifle must have a 16 inch barrel. Affixing a butt stock makes a pistol into a rifle, however you are free to own a pistol in an elephant hunting caliber or a rifle in a pistol caliber, so it is neither about concealability nor lethality.
It is a horrid, incongruous law made up by imbeciles who were unable to prosecute gangsters in the 1930s, so they created a law specifically targeting the favored weapons of gangsters in 1934. Now they could pull a gangster over for speeding or a busted tail light and hem him up on federal weapons charges by incidentally finding common guns of the time in the car.
Ok so I don't need a permit to carry a concealed flame thrower in the U.S. of Calib? Am I hearing you correctly?
Is there anywhere that has a directory of laws pertaining to fire arms.
There are so many different laws regarding firearms in different states, counties, even towns, that making a directory and keeping it up-to-date would be near impossible. I have found that Wikipedia is a decent resource for gun laws in your specific area.
It's not a right if you have to ask permission.
So I SBR my MP5 so I put a stock on it can I put a forgrip on it to? Or do I gotta pay another 200$ tax?
You don't need to pay another tax stamp to do anything to it unless you're putting a suppressor on it. Adding a for grip to something that is already an SBR is perfectly fine
In Missouri you do NOT pay a tax stamp or background check
Because our state loves guns
What’s the point of the NFA if some states can just choose ignore it and ban NFA items?
Exactly, in Tennessee sbrs are actually legal at the state level
Would a "Mare's Leg", such as Steve McQueen used in the old tv show "Wanted Dead or Alive" be on the NFA list?
No, those don't have a stock, legally they're pistols unless you put a rifle stock on them, only then would they become an nfa item.
Not without a stock. There are commercially available "Mare's leg" type pistols from Henry and Rossi. They use wooden grips that are not intended to be shouldered and therefore not considered rifles.
It would be if it was made from a cut down rifle. The producers of that show got a visit from the ATF and were fined $11,000 for their Mare's Legs.
The problems with SBRs is they are long guns. In many states you cannot have a loaded long gun in a vehicle wreck passengers or drive have access to them - unlike an AR pistol. Further you can't cross a state line with an SBR without written permission. If you move you have to report your new address to FJB.
I’ve heard that technically you are not supposed to fire the pistols with brace from your shoulder. Is that true? Thank you
No, years ago they claimed that for a few months but then they reversed themselves, you can definitely use braces however you want to. Whether they'll stay legal going forward or not is the sketchy part.
Who cares
Don't forget your PID and firearm's info on the BATFE's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, Caleb. Maybe you mentioned it in Part 2, idk. 'Cause our fed gov't gotta know, y'know?
Seem to recall the tax was $800 in the 1980s. It was later lowered by Congress. Am I misremembering?
Please forgive me as I am new to the AR platform. Nobody is still saying why it is being put in this category. Everybody just repeats the same thing, but what is the big deal of the short barrel? Is it for concealment reasons or is it better shooting or is it considered a modification I mean I don’t understand. Everybody just keeps repeating the same thing as far as a $200 tax stamp and the NFA but why did the NFA singled out what is considered a short barrel rifle other than just the way you hold it Again please forgive me as again I said I’m new to the AR platform and it just doesn’t compete with me. Why how many does it make it more deadly? Does it make it? I don’t understand.
They are actually less deadly as the bullet velocity goes down with shorter barrel lengths and are less accurate. I think the origins originally came from concealability, such as hiding a sawn-off shotgun in a trench coat or something. I don't think it was so much that these shorter length barrels made them more dangerous/deadly, but that it was an earlier attempt at an "assault weapons ban," making it too expensive to own these things since they could not legally just ban them all.
There is an extremely good video explaining your questions made by Forgotten Weapons channel. If you search for "Why Are Short Barreled Rifles Actually Regulated in the US?" you'll find it right away. It'll explain everything very well.
What suppressor is that?
Is an NFA Tax Stamp a one-time purchase/payment (per item)? Or does that $200 have to be repaid annually?
One and done, but should not be a law in the first place.
Don’t give the ATF any ideas
One time fee
Democrats already have that idea
@@josephhautzenroeder7512 im sure they do. I was genuinely just trying to educate myself lol.
I like the casual LAW in the safe there. Gaha
do you need a tax stamp for each NFA Item?
Unfortunately you do. Well, that's if you DO ask permission, of course.
Every one and your registered for every one too
And technically you are not supposed to register a single lower so you can put different uppers of different calibers on it either as the caliber is supposed to be marked on the receiver if it is not easily seen on the barrel, and you have to register the caliber when you apply for the stamp. Multi Cal is not a valid caliber. So while you could register a single lower and put a 300blk upper on that registered 5.56 lower if someone checks you on it ever then you would get in trouble.
@@nithia couldnt you just shoot your way out?
I have a big tip for the Atf.
Caleb needs to talk about AOWs with it's $5 transfer tax.
Are those adorable mutton chops a requirement in the United States of Caleb?
SBR is stupid for 2 reasons. 1st no such thing and is perfectly legal in Canada. 2nd you think they would prefer you had a stock than no stock because of conceal ability for say a 8 inch AR 15
Well there were no ARs in the 30s so a short barrel on a rifle that did not have a buffer tube could be made very short at the loss of accuracy. Hack the stock off and the barrel to just a couple of inches and you could hide the thing in a folded newspaper. Why they picked 16" for rifles and 18" for shot guns and not like 10" or some other number for both I cant say.
So they are going off of old definitions before the AR was a thing. With the buffer tube it makes things interesting for an AR with the NFA as a pistol just cant have a stock or any attachments that would imply it is meant to be fired with more then one hand (of course no one fires a pistol with just one hand unless they have to either) There are plenty of other rifles that could be made as a pistol that would not have a buffer and would be even easier to conceal then an AR with just a buffer tube.
But yes the NFA is stupid and should have also gone away when prohibition was removed. But, one was an amendment and the other was just a law that violated an amendment and was only ever actually challenged once until recently. (most cases never make it high enough in court to challenge the NFA out right)
I can’t find any suppressor dealers in Illinois, any tips?
Silencer shop online
So, if I put a smoothbore barrel and use rifled ammo, it's not an SBR.
Fun fact: $200 from 1934 would be almost $4,500 in 2022 money.
I’m thinking about taking advantage of the no tax stamp the atf is going to do in December so I can build a light weight ar15 for my wife
Still can't put a stock on it or vertical foregrip. ATF doesn't say they will give you an SBR tax stamp just that you'll be given amnesty for having the pistol brace. To have amnesty for something is to admit that you broke the law. I'd pony up the 200 and do a From1.
For an SBR or suppressor, all of the hefty new regulations you have to follow make them not worth it and if they’re just going to arbitrarily make “pistols” illegal then I guess I’ll just never shoot them again.
who makes this rifle?
Brownells. Duh.
@@nichmiller4251 lmao
The receiver extension tube is irrelevant as to any classification. Many (most) weapon systems don’t use or need them including your AR-180 style uppers, the UZI, MAC 10, MAC 11, AK-47, AK-74, HK-91, HK-93, AR-18/180, CMMG Dissent, Sig weapon systems like the MCX and MPX lines, Thompson SMG, the M3 "Grease Gun" and a litany of others. Imagine if Stoner’s original (AR-15) design used a system similar to Law Tactical’s ARIC… Buffer tubes may have gone extinct before their creation.
The United States of Caleb sounds pretty good!
Can anyone give me info on the firearm in the video he has in front of him
Here is all the info- czcams.com/video/lZiYXzJIyQ8/video.html
The Best Thing that came out of Iowa, was Interstate 80. 🙂
200 bucks is not alot of money but its the principle...
It's more than just paying a $200 tax. It's being put on a registry, and your ability to freely travel while exercising your constitutional right.
Adjusted for for inflation, $200 is roughly $4100.00.
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Yunis Isaac Mejia sentence 21 months in federal prison does not sound too free to me.
It's a stupid comment rinse and recycle a million times by internet tough guys and keyboard warriors.
@@koala83r72 lmao that is pretty free. No being a slave 72 hours a week to barely pay the bills. Federal Prison is like a vacation, at least compared to state prisons.
200 adds up when you have 4 or 5 ar pistols
Just put a stock on your SBR, the 2nd Amendment is absolute.