What are the variables that determine your VO2 max? | Peter Attia and Mike Joyner
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This clip is from episode 217 ‒ Exercise, VO2 max, and longevity with Mike Joyner, M.D. Mike is a physician-researcher and one of the world’s leading experts on human performance and exercise physiology.
In this clip, they discuss:
- How is VO2 max calculated?
- What are the VO2 max metrics of an elite athlete?
- Why does peak heart rate decline with age?
- And more
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I started uphill sprinting 8 years ago and my heart rate went as high as 187. Now it hardly ever hits 170 and my sets are way longer now. So that was a surprise. Also when I rest at the end I can feel my heart taking large gulps. That’s definitely new.
You gotta eat healthier, might be less quality diet and sleep, high stress could cause this. Healthy eating is best for this, more electrolytes especially potassium magnesium and calcium read on the recommended amount you need and hit it and check your vo2 max again
@@Cyrus0001 you read me wrong Cyrus. My heart working less is indicative of increased efficiency, not less.
I’ve got a video on my page of me running flat out for 45 seconds, my heart hardly passes 170. When I started years ago I could hardly do 15 seconds and felt like I was going to die. Heart rate then was close to 190.
This is my problem I think.
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Fascinating discussion of the dynamics of oxygen transfer via the blood. I once heard a story about some of the most elite runners whose blood flowrate is so high that the lungs can't oxygenate the blood as fast as the blood is flowing through them. I wonder if that's true ?
Sort of correct. Everyone's O2% gets lower the higher the intensity gets. But rather than the blood in the lungs flowing too fast, it's because BF goes up. Gases have much less time to spend diffusing when BF is very high.
I'm a simple man... I see VO2 Max I click.
I am 63 and row concept 2 erg . I train 80/20 zone 2 flat out and regularly see 155/157.
Fascinating - stroke volume - is that trained/improved more from zone 2 (base of the pyramid), or HIIT (height of the pyramid) ? Intensity right?
My stroke volume has vastly improved my uphill sprinting flat out for sets.
Sometimes I feel like my recovery heart rate isn’t real because although the rate recovers fast the gulps my heart take feel wild. Almost like a banging sensation.
@@craigsips8677thanks Craig! How typically long is each burst? I'm looking at incorporating that into the training
@@rawrss I run seven sets over a 2.2km hill. Run a bit, walk a bit then run again increasing intensity until the last set I run to failure. That is around 45 seconds but when I started I could only do 15.
I video’d my 45 second run on my channel. Easy to find, I only have 3 clips of the dog and one with me running.
Have to remember lance was on the gear 😂
Yeah? No 💩🫏. All the top people in all sports are. What exactly is your point?
@@Tritiuminducedfusion just curious how it applies to the average person looking to improve the longevity or health which seems to be a consistent thing with Attia podcast
I hit 197 three years ago on Zwift at age 47. Now three years later I can not go over 182 sprinting up hill going all out. What happened in 3 years. I still train the same amount with same intervals. Roughly same watts.
He states in this video that fitter people have lower peak heart rates due to the larger stroke volume. Sounds like that could be why. Having said that, 197 sounds very high for a 47 year old, could have just been a freak. 182 sounds more like what your max heart rate should be for 47.
Your getting old
Long-covid maybe?
Im 26 and can get my heart rate to about 220.
Resting about 40
Pump efficiency and stroke volume. Giggity.
What about body fat percentage? Your vo2 max increases when you lose weight without any of the factors you mention increasing.
Listen to podcasts with Olav Bu who trains the two top Norwegian triathletes. They tried cutting weight (Kristian Blummenfelt) and found the VO2 max fell by more than his weight so VO2 max / kg also fell. So they stopped that. If you look at Blummenfelt you’ll notice he’s far from skinny. Bu’s recommendation points towards maximising VO2 (not relative) and making sure you fuel well before, during and after training - and it is better to over fuel than under fuel.
@@jeremyleake6868 I guess my question is, how comparable are vo2 max values really between individuals. I can see the significance of a vo2 max curve in a single individual, but since vo2 max is normalized by body weight, I don't see how it's any use for individuals who are not lean
Let's assume that someone has good values in all of these variables, but that person is overweight. That means said person will not have a good percentile value, because vo2 is normalized by weight@@jeremyleake6868
@@hanslick3375 that’s true. My point above assumes you’ve got reasonably fit athletes seeking to maximise performance. If you’re overweight then there’s lots of reasons to lose significant excess body fat. The safest way to do that is cut junk food as much as possible and incorporate plenty of Z2 and occasional intervals, plus some resistance training and let your body adjust by itself.
@@jeremyleake6868 exactly, that's why I'm questioning, how much VO2 max is a simply a measure of leanness
My heart rate goes to 200 without even trying hard. And I do not exercise much.
There's you problem. If you exercise more your heart won't need to work as hard.
Your heart needs to be conditioned. It ramps up over nothing.
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Come on, doc. Armstrong was cheating.
Htf does he know what his heart rate was in his teens? We didn't have smart watches, smartphones, or very much technology before 2000's. 🤔🤔🤔
In the 80s ppl would could pulse on wrist or neck. Does that count?
I wanna know this too!
These snippets from old podcasts are incredibly annoying uploads. Do better.