Robert was smart and took a deal based on the backend numbers after IronMan. He saw how massive the franchise was going to be and bet on himself as Tony Stark. Genius!
He literally has the redemption arc as an actor starting with IM 1, and he played it extremely smart. That tiny check he got did not phase him because he was playing the long game. I bet he could not stop laughing when the numbers came in with Iron-Man being such a hit.
@@offworlder1 iron man wasn't his comeback movie. Marvel would never in a million years gambled on him if he hadn't come back yet. Technically it's 2003s the singing detective but personally I don't think he truly lessened people's worries and reestablished himself with kiss kiss bang bang. Great film. You can also see alot of iron man in the performance.
It's UNREAL how skilled as well as lucky some people are!! Tom Holland is set for life & he isn't even 30 years old. I'm in my early 40s and I am NOWHERE NEAR being set for life!!!
It SOUNDS like allot of cash and, I'd be GRATEFUL for it but, all it takes is a bad habit, bad relationship or being surrounded by vultures to bankrupt you. Ask Downey! He was lucky!
It's because of creatures like you that all the rest of us have to live on bread crumbles while sly, otherwise ordinary creatures like him get all our money. This world deserves its doom fully.
Hmmm interesting, my favourite RDJ moment was when he used to be on drugs and got busted with the lady of the streets before getting into rehab and becoming boring
@@shadowpeople89Frr iron heart didn’t even have any build up or struggle like Ironman they just found her and she already had a suit and knew what she was doing. That pissed me off
@@Whatsgoodmydude2222Not just that, it’s mainly because of the ‘everything’s awesome’ wokeness of today’s movie making world. But yes he was the heart of MCU, while Holland was just emerging.
RDJ is a genius actor, and a wonderful human around which to be. He deserves every penny because earned it and still does through philanthropy and kindness. Hats off to you sir.
@@Historyplace794 exactly you can still find Marvel Comics today in your local library because of Iron Man. Marvel are still printing Comics because of Iron Man. if Iron Man failed Marvel comics as a whole was gonna shut down.
I'm sure the us gives yall 50 mil a year, your politicians just pocket it. Pretty sure america gives a couple billion to the penguins of Madagascar each year.
I don't know what country you're from but I'm assuming the issue isn't money but rather spending that money well which your government seems to be failing at.
Imagine being that profitable for the company. If you worked for $25/hour and generated $20 million in profits for the company you would see raises like that.
Hell yeah, I grew up watching rdj, then would ask my mom why he wasn't in movies anymore, to her looking awkward and wondering what to say, then finally there he was as iron man. I can't name a more spot on casting decision.
And he was probably the most established name coming into the franchise. Scarlett Johansson and Samuel L Jackson probably the next biggest names after him and they were mainly side characters for most of the time. Chris helmsworth and Chris Evans were made because of the mcu and established themselves after the fact of joining the mcu with multi contract deals. Hell don cheadle came in as a bigger name than either Chris when it began. Vin diesel is big but his character is cgi generated and Dave Bautista was a wwe star and not Hollywood blockbuster. Zoe Saldana could have an argument as a top name but being in avatar most didn’t know it was her due to the cgi over her face and Colombiana was her next biggest which kinda flopped but I personally like. However, none of them have the same pure quantity of movies as RDJ. It’s very much a mixture of timing, Star power prior, and lack of multi movie deals. RDJ was gotten for 500k because he was a top actor but was struggling with drugs and alcohol and bad press. So he was underpaid vs his draw. That role was his massive comeback. He didn’t need the same level of job security the others needed as he was in tropic thunder shortly thereafter. Sam Jackson was the only in any similar situation but he was never a main character.
@@bullshark3771 Legit what do you mean? RDJ was by no means some big-name actor before he became Iron Man. In fact, he mainly played side characters in average films before that. The biggest actor in the MCU at the time was easily Samuel L. Jackson, who had been part of the some of the Blockbusters of previous decades.
@@bullshark3771 Backend deal. There's a base salary. And there's the percentage on the box office gross. The only way RDJ could have earned so much money was only because of backend deals. Meaning that he accepted a lesser salary in exchange for a percentage of the movie's grosses. It's a bet on himself. If the movie was a flop, he'd earn nothing more aside from that base salary. Depending on what was negotiated, he could have earned 1% and more on the movie's grosses. Tom Cruise is said to have negotiated 10% for Top Gun Maverick, but he's an exception. I usually hear that other A-listers negotiate for more of less 5% backend deals. And the earnings are incremental. By that, I mean that they negotiate 1-2% under the condition that the grosses reach a certain sum, let's say $200k. If the movie reaches that target, the actor earns 1-2%. Otherwise, he's got nothing outside of the base salary. Then the next increment, if the movie grosses $500k, the actor earns 4-5%. Etc.
@@Doomzdeh Sam Jackson was a side character through the whole series. Iron Man was front and center of the entire thing, in fact Iron Man 1 is basically the beginning of the whole franchise up till endgame. (And everything after that can be ignored imo, woke-land).
He's the king dude. ❤ no wonder he took that much money cuz If he is in a movie there are no odds of watching it if it is good or bad. Don't care anymore ❤❤
Yeah and Iron Man 1 was them taking a chance on an actor that a lot of people gave up on. But after the success of the first movie he was right back to super star status
Rdj deserves that money he made a lot of our childhoods and young adult life’s that much more enjoyable I can remember being 10 and watching iron man 1 over and over and I know I’m not the only one
After his fall in the late 90's, i can ONLY be happy & proud for my dude💯.. Mr. RDJ,sir,your story of Rise-Fall-Redemption-Vindication is THE most inspiring story of any actor... Id like to see a 3rd Sherlock, or a follow up ro Air America, but you can rest knowing your a Legend among Legends🏅
@kilisloe3474 that's why he was 500k for the first iron man, he was seen as a massive risk, until he wasn't. Awesome you have learnt something new, I love how the man has changed his life and Mel Gibson is the man who helped him
Multi indeed. It takes 1,000 Million to make just 1 Billion, that character, Tony Stark, was a multi-billionaire; kinda like real life Elon Musk, at 200 billion :o
@@games4us132 I don't blame Tobey. I blame the higher-ups. Venom wasn't suppose to be in the movie, they probably had to put too much resources and budget for all those CGI on top of Tobey's paycheque.
RDJ is worth every single penny. He is the father of marvel movies and he started it it. Without iron man/tony stark becoming to likeable and popular , they were able to connect and make other movies in that universe. Which is why now , in my opinion, the marvel movies now , besides Thor and Spider-Man and just under performed and they are missing rdj so badly. I miss him so much being iron man I go rewatch the whole infinity saga over and over again. Also dr strange he’s good too. Without strange, Spider-Man , and Thor this franchise would be in serious trouble. Those actors are brilliant but no one will ever top mr tony “I am Ironman “!stark ❤
I think RDJ is also a very good actor and he brings joy to me when I see him play. I also love to go back in time and re-watch the Ironman series, I just love how that movie plays out even though it's a simple concept. Together with Jason Statham and Ryan Reynolds, RDJ is one of my favs.
Only thing nowadays that makes more $$$ than Hollywood are, as crazy as it may sound, VIDEO GAMES ! (probably one of the reasons so many big companies try to make bigger & bigger games that sadly turn out to be crappier & crappier instead)
Makes sense the richest character made the most money
the goat💯
No good 😊
RDJ was the foundation of the mcu
Tony ain’t the richest Marvel character
Yep, it's either namor or t'challa the black panther@@danielhenko6961
Robert was smart and took a deal based on the backend numbers after IronMan. He saw how massive the franchise was going to be and bet on himself as Tony Stark. Genius!
He literally has the redemption arc as an actor starting with IM 1, and he played it extremely smart. That tiny check he got did not phase him because he was playing the long game.
I bet he could not stop laughing when the numbers came in with Iron-Man being such a hit.
"Genius, playboy, philanthropist..."
Rumour has he played a big role behind the scenes with the MCU.
@@offworlder1 iron man wasn't his comeback movie. Marvel would never in a million years gambled on him if he hadn't come back yet. Technically it's 2003s the singing detective but personally I don't think he truly lessened people's worries and reestablished himself with kiss kiss bang bang. Great film. You can also see alot of iron man in the performance.
@@offworlder1500,000 is tiny for an unknown actor who just got over his drug addiction? Bruh lol he could buy a whole house with that check alone
" Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist "
No wonder they killed him off
Tom Holland ain't even 30 and he's set for life
Yup. I'm in my early 40s and I'm unfortunately NOWHERE near being set for life
It's UNREAL how skilled as well as lucky some people are!! Tom Holland is set for life & he isn't even 30 years old. I'm in my early 40s and I am NOWHERE NEAR being set for life!!!
It SOUNDS like allot of cash and, I'd be GRATEFUL for it but, all it takes is a bad habit, bad relationship or being surrounded by vultures to bankrupt you. Ask Downey! He was lucky!
@@jefffarmer0311I'm 26 and I can't take it anymore
@@hamakaze9812I'll take you forevermore 🫥
bro forgot about the $10M for 10 minutes in spiderman homecoming 😂
😂😂😂
Thats 10x what tom made, and it was his movie lol
Holland got more at a solid rate as he was prove for th prt. He is this generations spiderman like Tobey was mine. He's also very good st it
NO WAY FR?
😂😂😅😅
By that time they knew they had to kill him😂
😂😂😂
😂
😂😂😂
😂😂😂 and he agreed 😊 and....they trying to resurrect him
They paid him to die 😂
"I am Ironman"... I mean that's the line that started it all.
And it was so brilliant to end it on that line, too. 😭
He truly was
And end it as well. After that it's been the M-SHE-U
Isnt that the line that ended it all?
Should've ended it too. But then they just had to keep making movies...
And so he should. He absolutely smashed it as Iron Man, and everything that came after was thanks to that movie and him being the perfect Stark.
"Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist..."
B... Millionaire
Genius, BILLIONAIRE, playboy, philanthropist
@@DreddPirateRoberts talking about Tony Stark or Robert Downey, Jr. 😉
Genius? What have he invented?
Facts 😮
Bc he’s smart enough to ask for a percentage of the box office.
Right there 👍
i'm sorry could you explain? like did he ask for a specific percentage of the total revenue the movie generated in his contract or something?
@@realElectroZapthat’s what it seems like, so he tied his income with the success of the film. Meaning the actor typically gets paid less in base pay
@@el1tefire252 yea cuz that much as a base pay, even for an s-tier actor, seems too much
@@realElectroZap it definitely would be 😭
I mean he is Tony stank. He funds the avengers lol
Tony stank lol
He was worth every penny!
Facts 😅😅 He really nailed Tony stark character 😅😅
@@user-nr4kq9ue8vWait I thought he is Tony Stark?
He carried the mcu on his back. He deserves every penny
Yes he does
It's because of creatures like you that all the rest of us have to live on bread crumbles while sly, otherwise ordinary creatures like him get all our money. This world deserves its doom fully.
agreed
Even Marvel president Kevin Fiege said "Without Robert, we wouldn't be sitting here today"
Glazing
He was worth every penny. There will never be another RDJ
Not for what he does anyway- but there are definitely tons of talented actors.
But another Iron Man/ Downey Robert Jr?
Nah…
NEVERRRRR 🤣
My favourite RDJ moment was when he got busted with the hooker and drugs
There will also be never another Iron Man❤.
Hmmm interesting, my favourite RDJ moment was when he used to be on drugs and got busted with the lady of the streets before getting into rehab and becoming boring
Worth every penny. Him and a few other hollywood actors were most definitely born and shaped for the roles they played
RD Jr said, “ Show me the money!” lol 😆
Tbf without rdj mcu wont exist as big as today
Idk if it would even exist. They can’t keep it going without him…
fr, they got to bring him back
I mean it's kind of shit without him so that's not even a debatable statement. That iron heart is a fucking joke. He was there before they went woke
Ikr...imo if RDJ just said "nty" MCU might not 'brb' for a sequel, IMO
@@shadowpeople89Frr iron heart didn’t even have any build up or struggle like Ironman they just found her and she already had a suit and knew what she was doing. That pissed me off
Iron man is the heart of Marvel ❤️
I hope you mean MCU cuz he Definitely ain't the heart of actual Marvel Comics😂
@@Whatsgoodmydude2222Not just that, it’s mainly because of the ‘everything’s awesome’ wokeness of today’s movie making world. But yes he was the heart of MCU, while Holland was just emerging.
Proof Marvel Comics has a heart
And he had no heart lol ❤❤❤😢
@@accordingtoabe2211agreed, in the marvel comics, Ironman is 3rd tier….by far NOT the comics best money maker.
Because RDJ is Marvel.
RDJ is a genius actor, and a wonderful human around which to be. He deserves every penny because earned it and still does through philanthropy and kindness. Hats off to you sir.
Yea wonderful human except in the Oscar’s
@@Riskbane Yasss. Thanks for calling this out. All that $, but no class or grace.
He owes Terrence Howard a lot of money
wonderful human😂
Because there wouldn’t be MCU without Iron Man. It’s like finding there’s gold where there was none.
no no no it's not about MCU
the whole Marvel comics house was saved by Iron Man.
they were gonna bankrupt after the movie luckily it was a success
There wouldn't? There isn't*
@@luc7478what r u talking about they still had to sell marvel to disney
@@Historyplace794 exactly
you can still find Marvel Comics today in your local library because of Iron Man.
Marvel are still printing Comics because of Iron Man.
if Iron Man failed Marvel comics as a whole was gonna shut down.
@@Historyplace794they didn't need to at that point but they it was still the best decision
I just realised just a small percentage of 1 actor's earnings can save my country's economy...
Wow. Well if I become rich and famous like that I’ll be sure to send you some
Where are you from
I'm sure the us gives yall 50 mil a year, your politicians just pocket it. Pretty sure america gives a couple billion to the penguins of Madagascar each year.
It wouldn’t. Give money to the politicians they will spend it on things that do not benefit the people.
I don't know what country you're from but I'm assuming the issue isn't money but rather spending that money well which your government seems to be failing at.
RDJ deserves it. Pretty much is no MCU without him
Iron Man 1: A Legend is born🤩🤩
Avengers Endgame: A Legend is lost
😔😟😔😔
In fairness, he MADE the MCU and Iron Man. Absolutely phenomenal actor and what he did with that character is going to be iconic for decades
Imagine getting raises in proportion to what these actors make each time...
"We have been watching your progress these last 3 years, and we are excited to offer you 75 cents more an hour!"
"This is a big day!"
"Favored Nations" clause. It's in contracts, often for entertainers and/or athletes.
Oh, you can get that…with a business. Employees don’t get that.
Imagine being that profitable for the company. If you worked for $25/hour and generated $20 million in profits for the company you would see raises like that.
Honestly RDJ deserves he basically carried the whole MCU.
He deserves it full support from ne❤.
He deserves it, he's had a rough life & was on his last road b4 Iron Man. One of my favorite actors as Iron Man and before that.
Hell yeah, I grew up watching rdj, then would ask my mom why he wasn't in movies anymore, to her looking awkward and wondering what to say, then finally there he was as iron man. I can't name a more spot on casting decision.
@@horgecondaliza6644 right on. He hit a bad road & recovered more than well. I think Wierd Science was probably one of the 1st movies I saw him in.
@@horgecondaliza6644🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Er zijn mensen die hebben het erger dan hem en ze krijgen niet wat hij heeft verdient
Robert Downey Jr is the highest paid actor for marvel because marvel never got him on a big multi movie contract like the others.
And he was probably the most established name coming into the franchise. Scarlett Johansson and Samuel L Jackson probably the next biggest names after him and they were mainly side characters for most of the time. Chris helmsworth and Chris Evans were made because of the mcu and established themselves after the fact of joining the mcu with multi contract deals. Hell don cheadle came in as a bigger name than either Chris when it began. Vin diesel is big but his character is cgi generated and Dave Bautista was a wwe star and not Hollywood blockbuster. Zoe Saldana could have an argument as a top name but being in avatar most didn’t know it was her due to the cgi over her face and Colombiana was her next biggest which kinda flopped but I personally like. However, none of them have the same pure quantity of movies as RDJ. It’s very much a mixture of timing, Star power prior, and lack of multi movie deals. RDJ was gotten for 500k because he was a top actor but was struggling with drugs and alcohol and bad press. So he was underpaid vs his draw. That role was his massive comeback. He didn’t need the same level of job security the others needed as he was in tropic thunder shortly thereafter. Sam Jackson was the only in any similar situation but he was never a main character.
@@bullshark3771 Legit what do you mean? RDJ was by no means some big-name actor before he became Iron Man. In fact, he mainly played side characters in average films before that.
The biggest actor in the MCU at the time was easily Samuel L. Jackson, who had been part of the some of the Blockbusters of previous decades.
@@bullshark3771 Backend deal. There's a base salary. And there's the percentage on the box office gross. The only way RDJ could have earned so much money was only because of backend deals. Meaning that he accepted a lesser salary in exchange for a percentage of the movie's grosses. It's a bet on himself. If the movie was a flop, he'd earn nothing more aside from that base salary. Depending on what was negotiated, he could have earned 1% and more on the movie's grosses.
Tom Cruise is said to have negotiated 10% for Top Gun Maverick, but he's an exception. I usually hear that other A-listers negotiate for more of less 5% backend deals. And the earnings are incremental. By that, I mean that they negotiate 1-2% under the condition that the grosses reach a certain sum, let's say $200k. If the movie reaches that target, the actor earns 1-2%. Otherwise, he's got nothing outside of the base salary. Then the next increment, if the movie grosses $500k, the actor earns 4-5%. Etc.
@@Doomzdeh you’re showing your lack of age here, RDJ was actually a big name actor who went through drug rehab
@@Doomzdeh Sam Jackson was a side character through the whole series. Iron Man was front and center of the entire thing, in fact Iron Man 1 is basically the beginning of the whole franchise up till endgame. (And everything after that can be ignored imo, woke-land).
He's the king dude. ❤ no wonder he took that much money cuz If he is in a movie there are no odds of watching it if it is good or bad. Don't care anymore ❤❤
Makes the catch phrase,"I am Ironman!" Brilliantly...
Such a Tony Stark move! A 3rd of a Billion Brilliant!
Iron Man plays RDJ very well
Robert Downing Jr. Has been in movies for decades upon, since the 1970s. Of course he's gonna be paid handsomely for these movies.
Yeah and Iron Man 1 was them taking a chance on an actor that a lot of people gave up on. But after the success of the first movie he was right back to super star status
@@Crying2Death true, Dat!
Downey
Downey
He does not look that old!!😮😮😮
He's worth it. His character is so entertaining.
Rdj deserves that money he made a lot of our childhoods and young adult life’s that much more enjoyable I can remember being 10 and watching iron man 1 over and over and I know I’m not the only one
Tony always learns from his mistake of asking less money😅
😂😂😂
Oh I love RDJ, I honestly think he’s earned that much with the effort he puts into his acting in marvel
From Ironmam to Ironman 2 is a massive 200% hike. Wow!
1950 % more
That’s why RDJ is a “Genius, Billionaire, playboy, philanthropist” ❤
After his fall in the late 90's, i can ONLY be happy & proud for my dude💯..
Mr. RDJ,sir,your story of Rise-Fall-Redemption-Vindication is THE most inspiring story of any actor... Id like to see a 3rd Sherlock, or a follow up ro Air America, but you can rest knowing your a Legend among Legends🏅
Because he learned from his mistakes
Because he is Iron Man. He is The MCU ❤
Entertainers in previous eras could never make so much. That's crazy.
Iron man showed why he was a great talent before his downfall, now get Sherlock Holmes 3 done rdj
Downfall?
@games4us132 yeah when he was arrested for drugs and found guilty and everything else that happened publicly to the man
@@vkturbo7676 My first time hearing of this.
@kilisloe3474 that's why he was 500k for the first iron man, he was seen as a massive risk, until he wasn't.
Awesome you have learnt something new, I love how the man has changed his life and Mel Gibson is the man who helped him
@@vkturbo7676 so a rising?
RD Jr.: If you want me to show up for a multiverse cameo, just send the signed blank check and we'll fill it in.
He made disney and Marvel way more than what he made ❤
Bro isn’t just rich in the movie, he’s also rich in real life
He’s what brought a lot of fans to the MCU so it makes sense ❤❤ RDJ is Ironman 🙏🙏🙏
Not a bad day at the office.
RDJ deserved what he got, he made that character. There wouldn’t have been another actor that could have done it better.
I'd say he's earned it after all the work he put into getting clean and sober.
Sounds like he has a good agent.
"Tell em to Bring me ma money 💰"
RDJ put the MCU on the map and he structured deals to bet on himself. Worth every penny.
Compared to Nothing What MARVEL made
He is really a multi millionaire same as tony stark🫣🫣
Tony was a billionaire
“Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.”
Multi indeed.
It takes 1,000 Million to make just 1 Billion, that character, Tony Stark, was a multi-billionaire; kinda like real life Elon Musk, at 200 billion :o
RDJ is an exceptional talent.
And well deserved at that. rdj was a treat to watch, and made the movies more enjoyable
RDJ and Tom are like father and son I love them
My man made the MCU as Ironman. That movie lit the fire that has now unfortunaltely burned out.
He was made for that caracter, just perfect 👌
He's a franchise actor. He draws in a very wide crowd. Also probably a lot better at negotiating than some of the less experienced actors.
No wonder they had to kill Tony. Kidding. Joking. Poking a bit of fun at a corporation. Don't... just don't.
That's right. Avengers is nothing without him.
He was worth every penny.
Imao he is the real life Tony stark man, rich, intelligent and ultra cool 😎 we need him as iron man back
And they BOTH deserve every penny!!
Real life tony stark 💸
What a world we live in
Considering casting him as iron man save his life I’d say he could make a comeback any time now
That's why they become executive producers to take a cut on profits instead of larger salaries. Otherwise, films might not get greenlighted.
That's not counting his back end deal on the profits.
Everyone loves a comeback kid.
Sin duda Rdj se merece cada centavo de ese dinero, es increíble
76 million to Tobey Maguire for Spider-Man 3.
That's insane
And it's looks like shit
@@games4us132 I don't blame Tobey. I blame the higher-ups. Venom wasn't suppose to be in the movie, they probably had to put too much resources and budget for all those CGI on top of Tobey's paycheque.
He is worth it
Downey made a Huge comeback from going to prison. He has got to be the GOAT for comebacks!
The best Marvel character, played by the best actor practically tailor-made for the role, made the biggest paycheck. Makes sense to me. I dig it.
Well deserved!
This is too much money for any person to ever need
@@TobyTopFexactly I know people who ruined they’r life a work and died before retirement with almost no money
You really think so?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
nah I love RDJ but this is just too much money for one actor
You forgot the 15 000 000 from Spider-Man Homecoming
for like 10 mins of screentime too,
RDJ is worth every single penny. He is the father of marvel movies and he started it it. Without iron man/tony stark becoming to likeable and popular , they were able to connect and make other movies in that universe. Which is why now , in my opinion, the marvel movies now , besides Thor and Spider-Man and just under performed and they are missing rdj so badly. I miss him so much being iron man I go rewatch the whole infinity saga over and over again. Also dr strange he’s good too. Without strange, Spider-Man , and Thor this franchise would be in serious trouble. Those actors are brilliant but no one will ever top mr tony “I am Ironman “!stark ❤
I'm gonna say that I think he deserves it. He has done a phenomenal job with his acting and Iron Man made his character
Just give him script approval and percentage of box office
And he going to continue with this new one he agreed too lol
Wow ... Didn't realize I could like Marvel any less
He was worth every penny
Don’t forget the residuals he must get everytime one is played
You forgot about the percentage endgame learnt as well
I think RDJ is also a very good actor and he brings joy to me when I see him play.
I also love to go back in time and re-watch the Ironman series, I just love how that movie plays out even though it's a simple concept.
Together with Jason Statham and Ryan Reynolds, RDJ is one of my favs.
Yep and worth every penny... because ever since he left (including Chris Evans)these Marvel movies ain't been the same...
They were literally just feeding him money lol
nice bounce back from his previous life
The thing is RDJ is a legendary actor.
Hes the most iconic character from the avengers so i can see why they had to pay him. Hes a great actor as well
The money makers got it, they can afford to give it. They obviously have it painlessly, otherwise they wouldn't have shelled it out.
But RDJ has earned those numbers!! He’s a great human being and I am proud of him.❤❤
He carried the MCU so he deserves it
Iron man success single handedly started this whole saga...🎉🎉🎉
I knew that movies made alot of money but millions?!
avengers endgame has made 2.7 billion worldwide. infinity war and spiderman no way home 2 billion each.
Only thing nowadays that makes more $$$ than Hollywood are, as crazy as it may sound, VIDEO GAMES ! (probably one of the reasons so many big companies try to make bigger & bigger games that sadly turn out to be crappier & crappier instead)