This and That: 2023 World Championships Ice Dance Recap w/ Renee Roca (Chock and Bates)
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- Renee Roca joins us the break down the ice dance event at the 2023 World Figure Skating Championships. Madison Chock and Evan Bates became only the second American team to win gold at worlds. Charlene Guignard and Marco Fabbri won silver and Piper Gilles and Paul Poirier earned bronze. The results and scores surprised many and we break down what that happened. Meanwhile, Lilah Fear and Lewis Gibson and Laurence Fournier Beaudry and Nikolaj Sørensen gained momentum, while Caroline Green and Michael Parsons appeared to stagnate. We break down all of our thoughts on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
Plus:
Kana Muramoto and Daisuke Takahashi
Christina Carreira and Anthony Ponomarenko
Allison Reed and Saulius Ambrulevičius
Juulia Turkkila and Matthias Versluis
Natálie Taschlerová and Filip Taschler
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Wow the guests for this year is top notch. Renee needs to comeback.
Yes! Really enjoyed her!!!❤
Same! I would love to see Renee return!!!
Loved hearing renee’s comments about the finnish team. They are one to watch for sure, absolutely gorgeous. And yes, that rotational lift is mindblowing!!
Totally agree!
2:52 Chock and Bates and “The Fall”
5:16 Inflated Scores
6:50 Changes to the Rhythm Dance Elements
8:20 ‘80s Theme for 23/24 season
9:30 Chock and Bates FD
- 15:55 RD
16:13 Italians 🇮🇹
(19:05 Peaking throughout the season with a program.)
21:14 British Lady Gaga FD 🇬🇧
22:54 Piper and Paul 🇨🇦
26:02 Canadanes 🇨🇦
28:15 The Brits 🇬🇧 and what will they do with the ‘80s theme in 23/24?
30:19 Green and Parsons 🇺🇸
34:09 The Finnish 🇫🇮
35:38 The Tashler/ova 🇨🇿
(- 37:17 Baby Czech 🇨🇿)
37:44 Lithuania 🇱🇹
39:30 Christina and Anthony 🇺🇸
(- 40:41 Zingas/Kolesnik 🇺🇸 and Igor Shpilband)
( 42:30 Teams are gonna have to make good choices because “classic” style programs aren’t working as well.)
(44:54 Junior Worlds)
45:37 The Russian factor 🇷🇺
- 51:20 Will They Be Back For The Olympics?
53:20 Moment of the Dance Event
54:58 Japan 🇯🇵 (They almost forgot!!)
57:38 How skaters learn Dance Skating. (Brian Orser is very good apparently)
I’m sending you good karma
Piper and Paul lift at the climax of Evita was so small.
Paul Porier has no facial expression. It’s so dull.
Six judges and a comptroller for one team probably deserves a time stamp 🥴
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I am still sorting out how I feel about the top 3. Felt that the scores were very inflated and not sure about the placement as both C/B and G/F had bobbles and the fall. But one thing I am completely clear on: No way Nik & Lolo should have been behind the British!! 🤦♀️
Even if you lowered PCS by .5 across the board for Chock and Bates, they still won by several points…because the fall wasn’t on an element! Why don’t people get this?
@@maryschreck2557 I hear you but C and B should NOT have had these ridiculous score fall or no fall. They are not PC. They are not DW They are not VM. They are not even Navka / Kostamarov. This is like, excuse the expression a few of the Italian teams who have won world titles (irony for our second place team) or D/S from france - good teams but not great. Honestly Hubbell and Donahoe were better than C and B but they just gave up/retired sooner. Yes, the scores were inflated especially for CB but i feel for the real programs of coincidentally the two Canadian teams and the Finnis teams. F/G from Brit and C B and the italians were overscored. Fear and Gibson should in now way been ahead of the Danadians.
Overall, the top level teams were over-scored. I do not have a problem with
C/B winning but there is no way the scores should have been World Records, especially with a fall. Their skills are not P/C level. I agree that the Canadanes should have scored higher than the British and I enjoy both teams equally.
@@skaterboy-cz9wj But the other skaters are not P and C, etc., either.
@@skaterboy-cz9wj Agree totally.
Thank you for all the recaps!!! Was not expecting them all this weekend!! Great job as always, Dave and Jonathan. And excellent special guests. Thank you to Polina, Meghan, and Renee!!! ❤
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I love the pattern. I didn't find it boring at all. I wish they'd bring it back, ice dance needs it.
I agree. I loved the pattern too because I loved seeing who could actually make it look like an asset to the program (I'm looking at you Papadakis and Cizeron) rather than just a requirement.
I'm sure others have done this already, but I wanted to do the math to see... based on the math and personal opinion, the issue (at least for me) lies in C/B's free dance score and not in the overall outcome. That being said, even if they were given 9.5’s where they were actually given 9.75, their overall score would have been under a point less than the score they were given - would have been in the 133 range. But a season’s best in ice dance for a performance with a fall? No. Just no. But what I’m most upset by is FB/S - in what universe are they behind the British?! Especially when you look at the fact that in skating skills (!!) the British beat them in the free!
FB/S don't have great skating skills at all, just like the Brits and Gilles Porier.. Honestly they should be a full point behind Guignard/Fabbri, or Chock Bates, and also the Czechs
If G/F score 9,5 in skating skills, the Brits and the Canadians shouldn't get more than an 8,5 with fair judging
@Марина Россия3 if you think the Canadians have better skating skills than the Italian and Chock Bates, you simply have no idea what skating skills are loll
The Canadians and the Brits have the worst skating skills of the top 6 by far
Thank you! You guys are awesome as always. Renee is so level headed in her critique and good at breaking things down for a casual audience
Our pleasure!
I appreciate everyone gushing over Japanese fans because they really are holding this sport together.
1000% agree.
I was so bummed Lolo & Nick didn't even get a bronze, she's just a joy to watch and so fierce and passionate!
Canada was dumped. HOw could they get bronze with Psquared were disrespected and treated unfairl. Chock and Bates started shakey in the RD and still got amazing scores. Fall in FD give them PC/VM scores. They Chock and Bates did the best with what they had but they literaly tried to write a story after the program had been built Trying to make it relevant. Trying to make it an art when it really was trying to sell a program that was not really art.
I love Green/Parson RD and think they were underscored here. I really don’t understand the hate towards them. Gershwin is classic! Since when do you have something against that? Makes no sense. I don’t get the hate for the Reed/Ambrulevicius either. I enjoy them and think their placement was well deserved. Fournier Beaudry/Soerensen were the best team imo. Chock/Bates we’re shamelessly overscored and Guinard and Fabri are a snooze fest.
Hate is a very strong word…
Did not know until recently that Valery Angelopol is a nephew of Oleg Ovsyannikov, Krylova's former ice dancing partner. Kaganovskaya/Angelopol is, quite evidently, an important dynasty project for Anjelika, which explains why she is so invested into these two youngsters and even found Valery the most beautiful girl in a skating generation.
Very interesting!
Valeriy is man, Vasilisa is woman 😁
This was fast! I am gonna need a free day for all of this! Thanks! what a treat and how much work you put on!
You are so welcome!
I haven't slept much these past few days trying to watch everything
I'm not a ice dance expert but I was very underwhelmed by the RD overall, unlike junior worlds. Was it because the pattern was missing? I don't know, but the senior RDs were very blah this season.There were some great skates but the judging was a huge turn-off in the event. Didn't care for C/B's programs this season but congrats to finally making it happen. Very happy for G/F even though I realize they're not the most exciting team for most. I love how invested Barbara is.
Also, with all due respect to the um, older teams, I really am ready to see some younger teams in the spotlight. The Taschlers were incredible (don't love the FD though); happy to see them get 2 spots. Looking forward to seeing both them and Mrazeks next year.
The teams are junior worlds are more evenly matched/stronger.
At this point I am starting to feel like your criticisms of Charlene's posture are subjective. I just don't see it. I think people have this lingering discomfort with seeing a dance team that breaks the height mould. Sometimes, it does take some conscious self-deprogramming to let go of these imposed patriarchal ideas of how a team "should" look. (This applies to any beauty standard, and to ourselves as well.) It's work that is worth doing. I recommend it.
Yes, alot of opera was written in the 1980s! So now I am looking forward to all those "Nixon in China" rhytm dances lol
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other unconventional 80s music choices: Sonic Youth, the musical Chess, the theme song from the Golden Girls, Joan Rivers' comedy album
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@@kemmes7997 😂😂😂❤❤❤ such variety too!
The moment in the Rd, when the Italians were placed above the Canadians, I think we all knew where things were gonna stand (kind of a shame really cause I was actually really enjoying the bock free until the twizzles started). Also, who in their right minds could put the brits over fbs?! Imo they had the best fd of the evening.(Yup I'm a fbs truther and I will die on that hill)
My predictions for this quad: bock retire after this year (fingers crossed), piper/Paul win Montreal world's next year and retire, setting up the Italians to win Milano cortina and avenge Barbara for torino. Everyone is horrified and ijs is finally reformed lol (a girl can dream)
I guess it is just me but I think the Italians don't have great posture. Maybe because she is slightly taller it seems like she does not stand up so straight
I’m a Piper and Paul fan, but they didn’t sell Evita like they did at the beginning of the season. They also miss a lot of opportunities w their lifts, too much of Piper piggy back on Paul and lacking wow factor. I think the placements were correct (except for the Canadanes) but Chock/Bates’ score was absolutely outrageous.
It’s the “Good for Czechoslovakia” for me 😂
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Republic 🎉🎉🎉
Except we have been 2 separate countries for 3 decades lol
I hadn't heard of that Russian pair Kaganovskaia and Angelopol, but all the talk of them in this video had me intrigued so I looked them up....whoa, I am hooked! They are really fresh and exciting! Definitely looking forward to seeing them in the world mix when Russians are allowed back.
They recently split (rather badly) so would be interesting to know if there are any other senior russian pairs to keep an eye on.
In discussions of aesthetics, I'm somewhat dubious about marking Gilles/Poirier lower because of things like them not have long legs. That sort of innate physical feature shouldn't be a consideration in judging (this is also an issue I have with the over-emphasis on things like spiral sequences in singles, which inherently disadvantage skaters like Higuchi who have a stockier build).
Renee is a joy to listen to.
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Seriously. She could do ice dance commentary on a national network. She has all the knowledge and she’s a natural.
I love that Jonathan has added a new term to his repertoire: "generic heaviness" 😂😂Love it! Also love the point about "working hard as an audience member". I like the Italians but I agree that it does take effort to get into their programs.
Can't believe you guys didn't mention Lilah saying to Marie-France in the kiss-and-cry after the rhythm dance "You sound surprised" (at the score)!! And then Marie-France's reaction when she saw that they were first! She did not expect that! You know it's not good when your coach is surprised that you scored above their other team. 😬
as much as I like Lilah and Lewis, they always looks a little less refined and even a little bit sloppy
@@kelly9876 Yes, agree. I like them but they seem so obviously overscored that it makes it hard for me to support them sometimes.
I’m a huge Prince fan but…how on Earth is David Bowie not recognizable? 😮 He’s arguably the most influential musician of the last 4 decades. Seriously
Had Chock and Bates won with last years programs I’d be ok with that. But not with these two forgettable dances… I haven’t been this disappointed with the ice dance judging in a loooong time. The Montreal school is getting really dirty with its politics and I don’t like it. World Champions and seasons best with a fall? No thank you.
I agree. I'm disappointed that there's this much under the table stuff going on with IAM. I love their Lovers From Outerspace skate, but the Fire and Air free dance was still great. The music killed it for me. Lots of inflated scores. I agree with Renee that it was absurd that so many had a season's best or personal best or like Chock and Bates getting a World Record. They've worked so hard, especially this season, and I feel like they deserved the wins at 4CCs, Worlds, and WTTFigure. I thought the RD score was a bit too much, but I enjoyed their RD more this year than last season's RD.
I’m sorry, what? David Bowie is not as recognisable as Prints?
Prince’s music was extremely famous and is remembered more widely than David Bowie. He was a bigger artist.
Is this based on some kind of scientific study, or an opinion you pulled out of your ass? David Bowie was and is iconic, I’m not sure where you got the idea he’s not widely recognizable. However, I’m not sure that’s his most iconic song, at least not to younger generations. It also depends on where you come from, ask a Brit who’s more iconic, Bowie or Prince. Let’s Dance was everywhere in the 80s, but it may not be as memorable as the Prince tracks Virtue/Moir used for their RD if you’re not GenX. But if you’re talking cultural impact, Bowie was huge, sorry.
I’m not the biggest fan of Let’s Dance, and I was unsure about it early in the season. However, they really improved that dance and their performance of it. I’m not the biggest fan of the Latin theme because you see the same songs repeated a lot, and after like twenty Latin RDs that were often pretty generic my eyes were glazing over I ended up enjoying C/B a lot more than I expected. At least it was different.
@@TheSkatingLesson I think it's rather subjective as they were both prominent artists in their respective genres. Depends on a kind of music you listen to who is greater 🤷🏼♀️ I enjoyed the video by the way ☺️
@@TheSkatingLesson it also prob depends on what country you are from, bowie is more legendary in western Europe and prob has more notoriety etc familiarity here than in USA ?😊
three judges ignored the rule by giving seven times 9.75 ;-) I thought it would have been "fair" to have C&B NOT getting the highest PCS..something around 56...they would have still won the FD and the entire event and no one would scratch their heads
Touché.
My moments of the week: rhythm dances by 1) Muramoto and Takahashi, all the pizzazz and no phantom, and 2) the third French team, Dupayage and Nabais, who placed 21st and did not make the free skate, but their costumes were incredible and they skated so magically in them that I enjoyed every second.
It was a CRIME that Dupayage and Nabais didn't get through to the Free Skate. They were so much better than at least 3 of the teams placed above them. Another very strange thing about the scoring in this competition.
Japan has had several really good Novice and Junior icedance couples, but for some reason, they always broke up before Senior. Now Daisuke has spread the Dance word, JSF will fund talented youngsters more through to Senior level as the talent has been there.
I haven’t even watched first and second, but I’ve watched Kanadai 4 times because it moves me. I agree that Canadanes were amazing and hard done by.
the free dance placements IMHO (first to fifth): Beaudry/Sorenson; Chock/Bates; Gillies/Porier; Italians; British. The Brits were clearly a cut below the top four
80s theme for the 23/24 RD! YES! I’ve got all the music if skaters and choreographers are reading through these comments. (And yes, I’ve choreographed all of these in my head. 😂):
1. Goody Two Shoes by Adam Ant
2. Journey medley: Don’t Stop Believing/Lights/Separate Ways
3. Rocket by Def Leppard
4. Panama by Van Halen
5. Body Language by Queen
6. Flashdance medley: Manhunt/Lady, Lady, Lady/What A Feeling
I’ve been waiting for this theme forever and now I’m so excited for the upcoming season! ⛸️⛸️
I appreciate Renees input however....they should NOT have won with a fall. Period. I dont care that it was a LITTLE fall it was a fall in ice dance and usually that takes you out completely. I just think ice dance is bull ____. IT ruins watching it.
Just because you don’t understand the scoring system doesn’t mean they didn’t win legitimately. Even if the judges had lowered PCS across the board, they still won. Because the fall wasn’t on an element. It’s not about your feelings. It’s about the numbers.
@@maryschreck2557 exactly. Do you know how many single skaters and pair teams have fallen and still won world titles? And those were on elements!
Love Renee! Such insight!
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Dave, Jonathan, as always fantastic job! Thank you 🙏
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I think the British program feeling less exciting is not a result of our seeing the programs too many times, but of their not evolving. Because I liked most of the other programs more and more as the season went on, which is how it should be.
C&B's FD is like a piece of abstract art. It's not for everyone. Without a clear storyline, some people just couldn't follow and appreciate the concept. Some even reject their FD because of it. There are reasons why the dance gradually slow down toward the end, and this guest obviously doesn't understand the structure/ arc of the program which is based on the interconnection between wind and fire. Instead of skating to a love song, they choose this rather poetic way to portrait their relationship as a couple on and off the ice.
You may not agree with her, but "this guest" is a 3 time US dance champion. Put some respect on her name!
What are the reasons?
@@etherealtb6021 She's fire and he's wind. As the music builds, the air helps fuel the fire. Then when they really pick up, his wind is too much and eventually extinguishes her.
I love Great Britain 🇬🇧 they are wonderful!😊😊😊😊
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More Renee, everyday!
Did you see Green and Parson's gala performance? I don't know just how much to read into it, but I would say it's at least a safe bet that they are ready to be done with old fashioned programs.
I thought that was great!
They do a different type of FD every season. They are a very versatile team.
I found the ice dancing impossible to judge. I honestly think the podium ended up being correct, surprisingly. But it definitely showed that there were no stars present.
Elias on TSL Live is a treasure 😍
Thank you so much guys - tremendous guests - insight and intelligence - I am British and love Lila and Lewis but do agree the Canadanes have got better and better. I know the Italians are technically good but they don’t excite me (Barbara’s blue fun fur wrap was a trip!) Happy for Maddy and Evan but v sad for Piper and Paul. Love the Finnish team. And love the junior Brits interested to see if they a) go to Marie-France b) where the judges want to put them when they go to seniors. Once again, thank you for all the videos ❤
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Overall is anyone else excited about the next team event? What used to be a three way race that seems predetermined. This feels like a real horse race. We have Japan, US, and Canada (the perennial medal contender) but now we have Italy and Korea as legit contenders
The part where they started to talk about how the first part of the chock/bates fd music was not great, I was like noooo...cause I've been obsessively listening to that part since I heard it in their fd...just goes to show how opinions on music can wildly differ lol
The top 5 placements 😢 were not accurate. I have to remember this is ice dance.
I love Fear/Gibson, but I think they paid a price for using the same formula as they did in 2020/2021 (then it was Madonna, now Lady GaGa). I hope they come up with a completely different idea next season.
Paid the price?!? They were at least 3 placements to high...
Paid a price? How??
I unfortunately don't think they're versatile enough to do anything different. The line (hers) is just not there.
This was an incredibly great interview and discussion. Renee Roca is a wealth of information and your questions--SPOT on!
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canadanes and finns my faves ♥️♥️
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Canadanes were my favorites, such an elegant program all around and always interesting
I agree this year but nothing to do with their nationality - just how they skated this year. I would say give Italians top tech but about 6th or 7th for pcs choreo. I guess you can give them 3rd or 4th for skating skills. But the Danadians and P squared really skated cleanly and great programs - choreo/performance.
With all due respect, for me, in no way the Italians could have beaten Piper and Paul or even Laurence and Nikolaj.
Absolutely agree. Italians should have been 4th or 5th.
I would pay lots of money to know why the decision was made to change it to Gershwin and not just because it’s a dedication to a grandparent.
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@@TheSkatingLesson Been asking myself all season: is Tanith or Charlie calling the shots over Greg with the teams?
I feel like it’s Charlie bc Tanith has correct commentary verbiage and Charlie gives me a high-brow-of-Evan-Bates-kinda-vibe and is ignorant to artistic program choices.
I could be wrong.
Regarding the fall by Chock, people seem to have forgotten this isn't the first time a skater took a fall in an ice dance competition, but they still won. That happened at 2017 Worlds when Moir stumbled badly, putting a knee on the ice and two hands down to break a fall in the FD, but V&M still won. The argument used to justify V&M's win was the same as with C&B at 2023 Worlds: the disruption didn't happen on an element. That was certainly the case for C&B, but for V&M, they were coming out of an element when Moir's mishap occurred. Still, V&M went on to victory, so this isn't the first time something like this has happened. Some people said Moir didn't actually fall because his behind didn't hit the ice, but what's the difference between a fall and breaking what was about to become a bad fall? Both those situations break the flow and mar the presentation of the program. In the end, there was no deduction for V&M.
In contrast, Moir fell flat on his back during the SD at the 2011 GPF. I believe that was during a step sequence. That time, V&M did receive a one point deduction and lost the competition. So, the unspoken rule seems to be that in order for a break in form, whether a fall or near-fall, to earn a deduction, it has to occur during an element, which I can't say I agree with.
I liked the Lithuanian team. "Insomnia", by Faithless is a club classic and they skated it well. I would've placed them higher.
I feel they deserve to have been discussed more positively. I loved both their programmes - great lifts and choreo work in the Faithless programme - totally captured the 90s clubbing feel.
I’m with you; they came alive for me this year and I loved the program and their commitment to it. Maybe because I was once a club kid 😂.
@@jonathanokeefe9783 Agree. I love their vibe and I don't get the negativity. I guess it's just different musical taste?
@@Rachel-rs7jn What was jarring to me was that the criticism of Green & Parsons was that they went from doing an individual, progressive programme the year before to a 'traditional' programme this year. In the next breath, the Lithuanians are criticised precisely for daring to do an individual programme. I think that the massively positive crowd reaction to their programme at all the events I saw them perform the "Insomnia' Free dance is evidence that most people 'got' what they were doing and liked it.
@@jonathanokeefe9783 Thank you, that's an excellent point!
carreira and ponomarenko's summertime was my moment of the week
💯- it was like a gorgeous film noir on ice.
I loved that, too, all season one of my favorites.
It’s my absolute favourite fd this season! I was transcendent by their performance at worlds, the dance holds and foxtrot were like little diamonds for me
Yeah, their lift at the beginning with the toe points to the music and then the slow descent was just *chef's kiss*, probably my favorite lift of the season.
Anything other than Phantom
This was a great conversation, I would love if Polina would talk like this i.e. talk technique but give us her opinions on other things too like how Renee gave her opinion on the choreographers and Russian coaches and asked you questions etc.
Also, 1000% agree with Renee on the Czechs' RD. Only performance in that segment that made me want to rewatch. Matteo Zanni definitely has something really promising going on.
(Also, I'm relieved I'm finally not alone in not "getting" the Lithuanians, lol. Thank you Renee. 😆)
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I thought the Italians Free story was pretty obvious (for good or bad). She was a vampire/witch/femme fatale drawing him in and she got him in the end! 😂 I really loved it and this is a team where I just HATED their programs! They need to stick to Latin or dark & stormy. To me, it's the best material that they've ever had and matches their vibe.
I thought the Chock and Bates fall WAS disruptive! It was short, but definitely interfered with the program's smooth mood. 🤷♀️
It wasn’t disruptive enough for them to lose, though. It didn’t happen on an element. No TES lost.
I thought G/F RD was the best they had done this season. She was giving us the sexy and he was giving us the macho. I also appreciate their trying something different than usual in the FD.
@@maryschreck2557 I think that's the point. You can give the proper scoring per the rules and not "cheat" to have your fav win.
The Danadians should have been on the podium this time!!!
I have been rooting for them ever since I first saw them at the Danish nationals in December 2012 - they were quite new as a couple and did not compete but they performed at the Gala. Nikolaj originally came from our local club and had had different partners.When I saw them this first time I knew: she is the one.
Which of the top three dance teams do you will retire after this season?
Chock Bates
I never heard a story for G/F,the music was sort of Evanescence Lite so I thought they were angels of death who wouldn’t let each other go? I realize that’s stretching. Maybe they’ll go full goth for 80s’ nite next year if they stay around. I mean someone needs to do a Joy Division/New Order mashup. And I have to say for the first time this season, I actually enjoyed them.
It does amuse me to imagine a team breaking out a Phantom or Les Mis RD for the 80s theme 😂
Ha oh please god no
@@My-hat Yeah maybe I shouldn't have put that one out into the universe lol
@@BethH992 🤣. Or a cats medley !
Oh hells no.
I love that 80s medley! I was watching them work with Tatiana to try to invoke their "80s" spirit! I wanted to jump in and help... not with the skating but the 80s feel!!!
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Danadians have a wonderful Laurence, she is a star and a queen. And her skirt is something special. But her partner is on a completely different level. He is always behind her and her skirt, in twizzles and stsq she is in the first raw. And in 6 years, this is the 3rd flamenco-themed dance with a skirt.
Oh come on. Allison and Saul ate.
Dance is interesting right now, because it's unclear who could win the Olympics in 2026. I would imagine that Guignard/Fabbri are going to stay for a home Olympics, and I agree with Renee, they are excellent technicians, but also, they lack the star power and generally the material, so I doubt they would win. Right now, I could see Lajoie/Lagha really rising in the next couple of years and be major contenders in 2026. Not a Fear/Gibson fan much, although admittedly they are fun, but they're already on the rise. Junior ice dance had some real superstars, so it'll be interesting to see how quickly those teams rise up in the senior ranks. I agree with Jonathan: Mrazek/Mrazkova are the ones to watch in seniors. This Worlds, in particular, really emphasized that this is the time for new teams to really rise up in the next year or so. Speaking of Worlds: Turkkila/Versluis have such a beautiful FD this season, shame about the twizzle error, but otherwise, it was so seamless. I also thought based solely on performances at Worlds, the Canadanes and the Taschlers had the skates of the night both in the RD and in the FD.
@skatinglesson what did you think of kanadai? . . . ok nvm thanks for the last 5 mins
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It's RusFed that is banned. The Fed enters the athletes, the athletes can be coached by whoever they want. You would have to have a separate sanction on training (maybe a good idea!!) to keep the coaches out. I don't think them being there indicates that there is an imminent return.
@Марина Россия3 😂Russians leaders like Khudaiberdieva and Bazin
@@kamunurkamunur3468 no, la nueva generación...
very dissatisfied this year with the ice dance event; both the rythym dance and free dance . Have watched ice dance side Bourne and kraatz, accepting the new scoring system. Everyone in the final flight of skaters in the freedance made some mistakes, but Piper Gilles and Paul Poirier had a beautiful clean skate and as I was watching the live event on the ISU figure skating channel, every one complained about the scores so ovinflated and all of us who had watched the livestream for the rythym dance the day before. Scores were ok for the top 5 teams. However we all agreed the a fall should be penalized at higher amount inthefree dance for chock and Bates. Some individuals actually we're so upset they left the chat. Everyone agreed the Piper and Paul should have placed silver or gold after there 2nd place after the rythym dance. 😊they should have won or a leastplaced second . I don't agree with this commentary on on their programs especially winning the first 2 events especially the grand prix win. Sorry guys.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Please explain how you would have “penalized at a higher amount.” With numbers. Because guess what, even if you had lowered their PCS across the board, they still won. It’s not about your feelings, it’s about the math.
Renee Roca is always so harsh on Gilles and Poirier.
She is a purist.
@@TheSkatingLesson many thanks for uploading this video so quickly
I agree with her assessment that they seem slow when compared to the couples ahead of them. I wondered what she thought of their Evita FD.
Agreewith the fact the Renee is a true purist however she was ready to pick apart Piper and Paul. The did use the the entire rink and their program was the winning the grand prix. I have watched Renee Roca and she was a great skater. However I thought she really favored chock and Bates.if they recieved atruer rythym dance score as I felt their Free and rythym dance should not have been soo many points over everyone else. Both programs were so abstract and to me both had no real storyline. Sorry again, but I feel that having no canadian or American judges were on the panel. Scott and Tessa won 2 Olympic gold medals with both programs. The judges did not like the Carmen program therefore they really disliked the Carmen program throughout the season was seen as too dark and too gory at the end. But they came back and won the following year at the Olympics with Moulin Rouge.but piperand Paul have been overlooked when Scott and Tessa were skating even before that. I loved their last 2 years of skating with bronze medals won instead of a higher level. I truly believe ice dance has been too political for the past 10 years in my opinion. That's what least watching this total event caused so many people to agree that no Canadian or American judges on the panel. Truly upset about this!!!!!😢😢😢😢😢😮😮😮😮😮😮
Piper and Paul should have won.
Wondering. Is Halina considered a pro Montreal judge?
Chock snd Bates are lovely and gifted- but this years program was a little boring, I think. I find their themes to be similar - she’s an alien or a creature. Boy do I miss the French team!
Is this the Finnish ice dancer who skated to Hildegard von Bingen ? It’s one of the most unforgettable programs of all time!!!!!! Oops I was thinking of Rakkamo and Koko.
Yes! please let Green and Parsons go back to a more original style like last year. They seemed like caged animals this season😢
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Going on the whole tired program theme of Green/Parsons's Gershwin FD. There are a number of program themes that if I never see them again it'll be too soon: Gershwin, Bolero, Swan Lake, Phantom of the Opera, Roxanne (Moulin Rouge tango), Gladiator, James Bond, Carmen, Zorro, and Schlinder's List. Whenever I see programs with these I find them so boring and tune out because they've been overdone. There are is so much variety of music out there that I would love to see more diversity instead of the same music pieces over and over again.
Canadanes were robbed and should have won the whole thing, lala were sorely missed their cha cha slide rd was the best this year. Americans loved the Czech no surprise they seem to have a fascination with brother and sister teams so icky ughh
I'm so relieved that Canada will get 3 teams next year and LaLa will be back!
No way would Fournier/Sorensen win the whole thing. Robbed of a gold medal is a joke!!!!
Sometimes Canadians are indistinguishable from russians. They also believe that when they are not the first, they are judged badly and the results are dishonest. It's funny how the Canadians forgot how their champions were put in first place despite the fall of a partner on a double twizzle in the final of the CiSt.
We will never forget the men's top 6. The most emotional men's free skates ever.
Fear and Gibson totally OVER SCORED and have been for two seasons. Montreal school pushing. Green & Parsons with good material could be gold medalists in the future.
I have always love ice dance since the 80’s but the last couple of seasons I got bored 😑 all are just forgettable I hope the new generations of ice dancers have something new to give to the sport ❤
Maddie could of fallen 10 more times and they still would of been leagues above the other teams.
Laurence Fournier-Beaudry & Nikolaj Sørensen were BY FAR the best.
They look like $10 millions, they are skating big, both of their programs are sensational,
and they skated WONDERFULLY. To see them off the podium is effing REVOLTING!
I love Madison and Evan but it didn't work for me at all: the programs, the fall, the music.
Also love Piper & Paul but the cheesy Evita with all of the over-the-top moments that didn't
work -- it's a huge NO for me (I LOVED their RD though).
So, based on what we could actually see, the free dance ranking should have been:
1. Fournier-Beaudry/Sørensen,
2. Taschlerova/Taschler,
3. Guignard/Fabbri
ATROCIOUS JUDGING! EVERYTHING seems to have been was fixed before the competition which made the whole competition filled with outrageous scores.
Props to Green/Parsons for musicality, Reed/Ambrulevicius (or better, their choreographer) for the free dance, and to Kazakova/Revia for a huge improvement and the superb free dance.
They should have been fourth - not fifth behind British who were very overscored. But FB\S were not going to make podium ahead of G/P.
Completely agree. Music/costumes/choreography also matter and the gold/bronze medalists were far from the mark. Just weren’t connecting at all… both felt very forced and staged.