Chinese J-11 Flanker Vs Indian Mig-29 Fulcrum | PL-15 Vs Astra | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8. - Hry
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If you're new to the channel and having problems understanding some of the basic concepts of the BVR engagement please tune into the tacview section of this video I break down a lot of basic/newer concepts for some of you newer subs to the channel. Thank you for watching as always and I'll see you in the next one. Much Love.
Hey man I would just like to say I rlly enjoy your videos and keep up the great work
a good fight the mig and the su on a budget
Hey gs you might be interested to know that nbc news reported iranian pilots are currently in Russia training on su35s they'll probably get next year
*Hey GS it's time to do full fledged IAF v PLAAF in DCS cause recently IAF surpassed PLAAF (WDMMA 2022) so please do it with proper air defence also 🙏*
Su 30 mki vs j10c
J-11 kills MiG-29
*nice*
MiG-29 kills J-11
*Daaammnnn*
Karma is a bitch !
- Astra Tzu
😂😂😂
Damn🤣
Not gonna lie, I got a jump scare when that first missile hit GS right as he was admiring his kill
I literally jumped
Same. Startled my dog chilling with me too. 😂
Legit same thing happened to me.
so i'm not alone in this
Yep, jumped about 2 ft off my chair! 🤣
Astra mk2&3 are in development they'll also gonna be a big boost to the IAF
Mk2 is under trials
under trials
MK 2 is under trial
Technically Astra Mk3 (not Mk2, Mk3) is also in development trials since 2019 at least. Its just that those trials are ground launched, not air launched yet. But we'll get there: Indian meteor basically.
Astra Mk 3 is just mk2 with longer range... rest is same
I really enjoy how you explain things, in depth to us who don’t know much about it this environment. I’ve watched a ton of vids and am slowly learning the lingo. I plan on getting a stick and throttle set up in a couple of months. Very excited to try this game
You need a beefy PC for it!
Have enjoyed your videos for a while now and always appreciate the high quality content! I know you don’t fly the F1 often but would love to see a hypothetical F1 vs Harrier (like the A4 vs Harrier video) fight over the Falklands. Cheers!
Like this so gs can see this guy's 🙏🙏
Ditto
Either that or MiG19 vs F1....
Thank you very much Adam, I'll be back in the F1 soon I would imagine.
I dunno, but the "flinging missiles from distance" BVR just reminds me of the spear chucking fight in Ace Ventura 2 😂😂😂
IT'S IN THE BONE!
If someome asked me what the best looking jet fighter of all time was, I'd have to say everytime, Mig 29
F22?
@@sharequsman596 Im a simple person, Medic, Submariner, Network Engineer, Best Looking Submarine, HMS Asture, Best looking surfice Ship, The Dutch Holland Class, best looking tank German Leopard 2. Its all subjective... but best looking cold war/post cold war fighter. Mig 29... no contest... And I love the BAC Lightning
Id say mig 31
@@sharequsman596 f22 looks tactical. Mig29 or Sukhoi jets in general look sexy.
@@ceeb2275 id say the flankers look better than the migs but your right everything is subjective
Omg when his missile came out of nowhere and hit you I jumped
Very helpful even for us “old timers” to the channel. Thanks!
Would've loved to see this rivalry play out on the more mountainous Himalayan range
I have uploaded a video of Chinese invaders running away after getting badly beaten up by Indian Army 😂
@@chinazieswillstartww3253 What happened few days ago in arunachal pradesh will go down in history as the funniest mishap
*sets stopwatch to see how long it takes for the comment section to devolve into Astra-spam*
I don't think that's needed we coded the missile well for anyone to complain about it
Rent free😂
Valorent astra?
Oi bruv, maccas parking lot up ahead wanna watch me do some sick donuts in my new Astra?
Wake up to reality
Mig 29upg's are quite superior to the standard mig 29smt's. Hope someone could replicate the exact model with the d-29
Thank you for the explanation 🏁
I think You are airforce expert from a real military 👆
Your new viewer from India 🇮🇳
Thank you for being so new player friendly! I am happy you constantly call out things that you do and why and then explain what the acronyms mean as well.
@12:42 There is also a battery that drains out very quickly. for example an Amraam can only guide for around 80 seconds in a nice warm weather. if it is cold and high altitude that can be reduced to much much less. in DCS I think it is set to around 80 seconds.
Its not about aircraft its about pilot . This proves that . Wonderful demonstration sir . I am an Indian proud of super capable pilots and MIG29
Best Tacview I've seen. You covered a great deal and I enjoy the longer videos. Thanks for all the content!
Seriously, learning the strategic/economic reason commanders don't want their pilot to engage in dogfights is eye opening.
This tac view is amazing!!!! I’m not sure if you purposefully attempted to make it more detailed but either way, it was very much appreciated!
Thanks for the tac view explanations. Even though I know the terminology already, it's still nice seeing others teach the concepts. Expecially what aspects they like to emphasize in importance due to their perspective.
As a newbie to the channel, thank you for that excellent explanation in tac review. Really clearly laid out the fundamentals of how air-to-air works today and why dogfighting is rare. Great stuff and thanks for sharing.
One of the key points these BVR fights illustrate is how on board fighter defensive measures such as chaff and flares have become progressively less effective over the last decade or so.
Modern missiles have made the close in dogfight so dangerous that it is questionable as to the usefulness of super agile fighters.
Even a superb maneuvering jet like F22 can not out turn a 20G capable missile. What is needed are better defensive counter measures, laser dazzlers against optic guidance, more seductive chaff and infrared lures or else the jet fighter at close range is just too easy a target for these modern highly capable missiles.
Yeah, that's been my take. Modern air engagements inside 40 miles are getting to be almost like a dogfight with the new long range missiles everyone is fielding. 50/50 chance. Just like GS says... Modern tactics are going to require that they stay at least 50 miles away.
Seductive chaff XD just imagining a chaff with some lipstick on
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 and a short skirt for maximum effect
Wasn't sure in the last video but this video is definitely buttery smooth. Whatever changes you made are working.
Understood a lot of things about BVR combat. Very helpful video. 👍🏻👍🏻
Another slice of gold. Keep up the great work!
BVR duels here felt like javelin or archery warfare form Antiquity to Medieval.
Great video. Thank you so much for explaining things. It definitely helps with understanding those different ideas.
To me, personally, the analog of the MiG-29 and Su-27 is if the USAF bought a "mini" version of the F-15, instead of the F-16. Something like a 2/3s scale F-15 with F404s.
Or if the YF-17 won the lightfighter tender.
Meanwhile, the USN and USMC with their F-18 Cs and Ds. 😂😂
Just for anyone curious about nomenclature of Indian weapons.
Astra Missile : Astrā (अस्त्र) a Sanskrit word literally meaning ‘weapon’
As someone who’s only been following the channel for a few months this breakdown was super helpful
Very Curious to see LCA Tejas + ASTRA Vs F16 with and without AWACS. I still feel F16 would do better. Just wondering how Tejas competes.
I think it would be similar to mirage vs f16 fights. Basically heavily dependent on the pilots that fly it.
@@arnavsadhu how much difference smaller rcs of Tejas will make?
@@pravinmeher2036 Thats classified
IS the Tejas even capable of carring the ASTRA. I havent seen any photos or videos of it flying with the ASTRA missiles.
@@Mike_Romeo being integrated
Excellent Tacview explanation! Learning lots!
GS, you're always talking about reaching out and touching people like you're my uncle or somethin'.
Congrats on 400k reaching out and touching you.
Lold thanks buddy much love.
I always enjoy the matchups you put together on your channel. Some time ago you featured a T-45 in a mock dogfight scenario. I was wondering if you'd ever consider pitting The T-45 against an A-4. I was wondering how the Goshawk (or BAE Hawk) would do against the Skyhawk. Just a thought if you're looking for matchup ideas.
"I want to shoot my missle then turn and run away" don't we all, don't we all
This is one of the best explanations I've seen so far on TacView.... Nice video.
That was a smooth transition at the beginning there
I’m new to flying in the DCS world and I really liked this mission format type of video. TacView debrief was very informative. Thanks for creating it. Curious about your wingman ditching in the ocean. Maybe he hit a bird?
Very good example of BVR tactics; thanks for that.
Love your videos man, always calming to watch. Also, can you do more 2 morons?? :D
Thanks for the explanation! It was very helpful understanding the MAR!
Thank you my man I learned a lot from the tac review very informative 👌💯
Astra is now in dassault Rafael
Man, you've take steps into a darker world 😂
As a chindian, this is just fun.
Bro you're at fight with yourself 😅
that trade kill scared the crap out of me
Love your channel. Turn the g forse on. I never ever see a tunnel in your videos. ;)
20 : 16 "What kinda dish is that ?" 🤣🤣
Great explanations as always, fun to learn more
Bro you need to work on your satellite dish drawing skills. Lol. Love your breakdowns, man.
I’ll work on it for the next video lol thanks buddy
russia seeing planes they both made fight against eachother:
Very nicely done, fellas. That MiG-29 gave you a run for it, huh?
Can you make video on su 30 mki fox 2 dogfight
Btw keep making these videos absolute love them 🔥
Excellent. Great fight!
Thank you for doing a little more in-depth man.
Thats really informative. Thank you
Amazing fight very edge of the seat kinda ending.
Now the Chinese and the Indian pilot can hit up a chai shop in the border and discuss about who had a cooler explosion of their jet.
tf
I love the missile capabilities!
Great video! Love the tacview ELI5. Are the PL-15s and Astras guided by datalink provided by AWACS?
No they're guided by the planes radar and when the plane radar isn't guiding them they have their own o board radars.
@@arguy3297 well I don't know about pl15 but Astra is capable of mid course update via datalink
just curious, I checked the specs of PL-15 and Astra, it seems PL-15 has a longer range than Astra. So in real combat, J-11 would fire outside of the Astra range, and disengage after that.
Yeah because of that India is developing higher range Astra missiles
Great video great explanation thank you
You have a very relaxing voice. It's very calming, you should start a meditation channel.🧘🏻♂️
Thank you for a tac view review!
This was very helpful..
I thought MAR stood for "Magical attack range".
Please j11 vs rafale basically pl15 vs meteor at Himalayan region. You can use s400 Sam side(since both use s400)
PL-15 looked just about equivalent to ASTRA. If ASTRA can do such a wonderful job with Mig29. I am damn sure J11 will have any chance against Rafale with Meteor. PL-15t on heavy J11 don't think can come close Rafale+Meteor
@@pravinmeher2036 i know that's why I said in Himalayan region. In mountain terrain bvr missiles found difficulties.
I think if you do make it to the merge with him, you'll have the upper hand, because you do also have those 4 PL-8 fox 2s while the Mig29 seem to only have those 6 Astras. When both of you have expanded all the fox 3s, you still have that stash of fox 2s while he will be down to gun only.
12:16 Also isn't the meteor kind of different in this regard?
Nice graphics Leonardo!
yeah I remember that....they were fighting in the mountains(India, China border) with 2×4s lol
Looool exactly
2×4s ?
Would you be willing to do a “real life” scenario using the F-35?
How would it be deployed?
Would it be using “missile truck” support, such as the F-15, F-22, F-18, etc.? Or would it be going solo?
Would the use of “missile trucks” be moot because of the missile ranges of the opposing aircraft?
Ah, the Astra vs the People's Liberation 15. Truly a battle for Asian dominance!
"I've won...but at what cost?"
Man, what's ur timetable? I mean, you're releasing videos daily... Do you even get breaks?
Also, thanks for going in depth... I took notes
Superb!!!!!🔥🔥
Always appreciated the detailed tacview.
Enjoyed every second of it like every other time; specially when an IAF fighter jet is around.
Can't wait for the Rafales' under Indian flag !!
Thanks for this video i am from India 🙂
Very informative.
Good job GS
Both tried to avoid the merge,
Neither could avoid the MAR..
The J-11 i saw had a totally different and high advance cockpit then here
Even the new mig 29upg has very modern cockpit I think they didn't updated it in dcs
@@priyanshupandey2670 Mig-29UPG had impressive cockpit changes yea... I guess it's based on availability of perception and information in DCS
Bro growling sidewinder make the video on Indian jets vs Chinese jets
Right On
If you had pulled the cobra button right when you saw the missile it might've had too much speed to turn and hit you in that last second. Only time SM could've been useful.
Nah, it would have done nothing for him. No chance.
@@wurfyy in that one instance it might've. Maybe not, but maybe. That's basically what it's for. And he's done an air defense video where he dodged some patriots in a Flanker.
@@W1ckedRcL Using the Cobra there wouldn't have forced the missile to turn much at all. The situation where it might work is one where the missile has to lead the target by a lot, in which case the Cobra dumps all your speed and forces the missile to turn nearly directly towards you. This is exactly what he did in that video you're referencing.
One thing some people might not realize, in real life each Fox-3 shot is well over 1 million US dollars, I think the Meteor is something like 5 million. Extra d'oh when they miss, millions wasted but its taxpayer money so oh well right? Haha.....sigh.
According to public sources meteor is 2 million Dollars
Why not the su 30mki vs the j11? That would be more comparable I guess.
J11 is naval variant of flanker and mig 29 is naval so it makes sense
Mki is su-35 and j-16 equivalent far superior to j-11
@@karanvarma4843 j16 - yes
Su35 - not nearly as good
@@zovslavsforever nah inface the mki will have a higher chance of taking down a su-35 than a j-16. J-16 has an aesa radar.
@@karanvarma4843 I meant the su 35 is at another tier, j16 is comparable to an mki and the j11 is slightly inferior.
Mutually assured bonzai
Great way to draw the biggest possible audience to one's channel lol.
Why not vs SU-30 MKI ?
Please make a video on the Tejas
Day 8 of asking GS for soundtrack lists
How are you getting launch authorization outside of max range?? The arrow is above the three lines on the left of the HUD
Override
YOu can override lauch authorisation
I am a new subscriber to your channel. Thanks for explaining 👍🏽. Why you call your plane "flanker"?
Hi there thanks, the term flanker is the NATO designation for the Su-27. Like the Mig29 is the Fulcrum, or the Su-57 is the Felon. Every aircraft has a "name" flanker is the name of the Su-27.
@@GrowlingSidewinder What is interesting is that only hardware that is considered to be from "enemies of NATO" gets a designation. I mean I've never found a NATO member state's hardware getting called anything other than what its real name is. And in cases of NATO-friendly nations like India and Japan, I don't think our stuff even gets a NATO designation at all. Never heard a NATO designation for Tejas, for example.
Another great video from the great Maestro GS!! See ya on the next one boss man.
very good video
Su-57 VS J-20 BVR and Dog
I am not sure if it is intellectually honest or fair to say one aircraft is better than another if we are discussing the capabilities of a missle as opposed to the actual aircrafts flight capabilities as the deciding factor.
when GS said "and his missile!!"
missile be like, "JAI HIND"
Awesome, India's Astro is badasss...... great fight mr. Sidewinder 😁🤙
Thanks for sharing as always ✌😉
Question I wanted to ask from long ago - do Chinese Flankers really have cyrillic label plates?
Probably imported Flankers, though I suspect the J-11s and other domestically manufactured Flankers have Chinese labels.