J-20 Mighty Dragon vs F-22 Raptor | The Ultimate Aerial Showdown |
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IRIAF MiG29 vs USAF F-14
When will you use the J 20?
hey could set up a video where a f-4 gets hit and you try to push him with his tailhook to friendly air space. and could you send me a screen shot of the push.
Please fly The F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk
Please fly The Rafale VS Typhoon
Please fly The F-16I Sufa with Python 5's VS The Gripen with IRIS-T's
Lol that show down at the end!😆👍 was like a western n watching/waiting with anticipation as two gun fighters draw!
Toxic, if you’re reading this, I have mad respect for your ingenuity and skilled piloting. You are a very good combatant to GS and do very well in adapting to whatever GS throws at you!
I'm also happy whenever Toxic is the guest.
I second this, always a good performance from toxic
2 peas in a pod!
You'll only get better fighting against the best! ;)✌
Agreed! Thank you for guest starring and bringing out the fangs!
My understanding of stealth is that not only can a pilot deploy chaff and flares, but smoke bombs are also an option. Plus the pilot can open the cockpit and throw ninja stars at people on his six.
Damn, I forgot to throw my ninja stars in this fight.
@@GrowlingSidewinder BTW ninja stars have a name, they are called shuriken.
Lets use proper aeronautical terminology
@@GrowlingSidewinderpilot must exclaim 'SHURIKEN' for the projectiles to deploy.
Don't forget turning into a log and teleporting behind you, kid
Yes, but do they have pocket sand
u know the battle will be epic when Toxic is on the other side
If he doesn't turn reverse 50 times
Ya does toxic have a channel
@@jebediahgentry7029 I don’t think Toxic makes that mistake too often.
I miss shotgun
I agree..
GS, the thing I will ask is if you fly the mirror F-22 next time, include showing the taxing, take-off and landing cinematics. The mirror Raptor is just too beautiful to look at. And maybe in the near future, consider flying the J-20. Its a beautiful jet worthy of seeing more of too.
Thank you very much and yes agreed.
Wait, did you just say the J-20 is beautiful? I was just thinking I can't imagine how they could've made the J-20 uglier.
Kinda hard to do that. That is really Megatron. It runs and jumps to take off, then does the super-hero landing! 🤣🤣🤣
@@sogerc1 Aesthetics is a subjective thing. At some angles J20 is indeed ugly like from the top or side, but with a tilted angle it looks great
@@min-jd5lb As a general rule (in my case), canards make every fighter ugly but for some reason the J-20 is extra ugly, I'm not really sure why, maybe the canard-wing size ratio and that big space between the canards and the wings. I can't find an angle that I'd like. Maybe when on the ground and the canards are in a vertical position then it's okay.
That final passage showing the empty missile bay was such a nice detail.
Very good work for both, Toxic and GS.
At one point in FedEx history they used a laser on the bottom of their aircraft to defeat incoming Missiles
Correct me if I’m wrong but that was aircraft flying out of Israel right ?
@@GrowlingSidewinderso FedEx used it on their planes flying in and out of the middle east (Like Iraq and stuff). Israel Air used and uses lasers on their planes so when no one would fly to Israel cause of the middle strikes, they still could because of their lasers.
We've actually been using lasers for anti-missile defense for years now on aircraft like the C-130. It's a system called LAIRCM (Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasure), which is an upgrade from the original DIRCM (Direct Infrared Countermeasure) system.
@@GrowlingSidewinder yep 👍
@@ferai147 plus The Apache and The Boeing YAL-1! However that was old Chemical laser tech lol The 747 not The Apache ;)
Raptors with freakin laserbeams
Love the fact that the new coatings make the 22 look like a mid-century bare aluminum fighter.
Just imagine what the real world cost of this engagement would be
In the real world both nations certainly have anti-stealth missiles so you could probably write off both aircraft with everything they brought.
Yeah, it'd get silly.
Like 56 dollars or something 😂
To be honest, though, the J-20 is probably made of paper mache, rhino horn pills, and expired bat soup. The paper mache is made from poorly translated, stolen US DoD docs.
Tree fiddy.
@@peekaboo1575 Bro.... dont speak on stuff you know nothing about lmao, theres no such thing as an "anti-stealth" missile
And to think the F22 is over 30 years old and due to be retired yet our adversaries are still trying to catch up to it.
??? First flight 1997 introduced in 2005
@@ArkhBaegorDevelopment began in 1989.
@@gravyd316 that's like adding the 9 months you were in the womb to your age
@@ArkhBaegorStill, 20 years is a lot.
Let's not foget we are talking about a comercial digital simulator here, not actual combat footage
Laser weapons, even high powered ones, are relatively short range weapons because of line-of-sight & atmospheric refraction.
We’ve already tested shooting down missiles in the 80’s with them
@@Ryan-go6id Those were like megawatt-class chemical lasers, though, so not going to be comparable to what a fighter jet can drive with spare engine power. But you don't necessarily need to explode an incoming missile if you can just fry its sensor.
Adaptive optics are likely to be key to any practical laser weapon beyond short-range point defence. Basically the system watches how the beam distorts in the atmosphere on the way to the target, and then pre-distorts the beam in the equal and opposite manner so that the refraction in the atmosphere actually focuses the beam. As for line-of-sight, even at 1,000 metres altitude the ground horizon is already over 100 km away; at 10,000 metres altitude, you have line-of-sight to a coaltitude target at over 700 km range, etc.
5:41 "incoming missile" there are short-range weapons applications. Is GS imagining something like laser CIWS? Imagine discovering your adversary in a dogfight has omnidirectional laser with destructive power... would it go dorsally, like R2D2?
Einhander technology 1998
So, we have seen J20 against F22, we have seen Su57 against F22. Now I would be very intersted to see Su57 against J20. Or Eurofighter against J20
Watching the Raptor's doors open to drop a missile never gets old for me! 😃
(yes, I am easily amused)
"Dear Sir..."
@@benn454 😄😄😄 (See? I told ya...)
Me too dude 😂 I love seeing them pop open lol
@@karelpgbr Thanks - glad that it's not just me! 😃
I have read reports from Red Flag where French Raphale pilots have talked about how difficult it is to get a weapons lock on the F-22, even at point blank range on it's six.
It's reflective for IR masking, for sure. I use a FLIR camera quite a bit, and reflective surfaces like that are nearly impossible to get a reading on. You'll get a reading of the environment rather than the surface of the object. This would be a nightmare for IR to focus on. Love the videos. 🤙🏼
Same goes for lasers.
100% agree. Can also point one at a vending machine and you'll only see yourself lol
@@briangilbert4420 for sure.
@@knuckleheadunstoppable Fiber lasers cut mirror finish stainless sheet steel way faster that you can run. 10 holes, 1/2" diameter PER SECOND. You can barely follow what they are doing. Latest generations cut several inches thick steel.
General public has NO CLUE how fast this is advancing.
@@panan7777 I believe it, but at what range can they do that? I've seen some of the toys Raytheon has come up with. I wouldn't be surprised if we had lasers that could split the moon at this point. 😁
I love that reflective skin on the f22
A day with new GS content is indeed a good day
i love the flyby weapon bay flashes
Excellent fight. Props to Toxic. Wondering if f22 could find and bring down Darkstar
Probably not to be honest, it’s faster than a lot of air to air missiles
by a lot, i think you mean literally everything. only hypersonics could possibly catch up. but even modern missiles would have to be over 3 times the speed to be very effective, so nothing will beat it
The reflective skin isn't about IR masking or any other kind of stealth or laser reflecting panels. It's for the pilot, so when he gets out of the plane he can check to see just how good he is😊🤣😝
I'd love to see some "equal cost" matchups, both BVR and BFM.
Something like $500 million worth of F22's vs $500 million worth of F15's.
The results would certainty be interesting and might illustrate why we're still flying the F15 and only made a limited number of F22s.
@minutiesabotage That would be six F-15s versus three F-22s, probably not enough of an advantage to tip it in the F-15's favor.
yeah, bang-for-buck, I think Raptor still wins.... Though I think you can only get two of them for 500M, but probably that'd still be quite enough
What’s a pilot worth?
@OfMoachAndMayhem Raptor is $150 million vs $80-$90 million for an F-15
The F-22 helmet alone was $400K in 2015...
No wonder they stopped making these things.
GS your upload schedule is fantastic. After a long day of work I can count on a fresh video. Bossin
I appreciate you watching, makes the daily upload schedule worth it to have people keep coming and watching.
@GrowlingSidewinder I dunno how you manage to stay cool during these fights. Another good video keep it up 😎
Both you and Toxic did excellent in this matchup. Great stuff!
This does make me wonder how a fight between a J-20 and a Felon might go down though.
Need to reverse the roles and you take the J-20 w/ Toxic in the 22
Curious that you`ve gone with the reflective paint Raptor as I just saw a video by Task & Purpose that mentioned it. Apparently that F22 with reflective paint is a test bed for new technologies intended for the NGAD program (Next Generation Air Dominance) and that coating is supposed to make the aircraft harder to detect by both radar and thermal. And yes, NGAD is being envisioned to use directed energy weapons and countermeasures (lasers).
Toxic flying great as usual. Great video.
Lasers are indeed starting to be used as weapons. The Navy installed its first permanent laser on a destroyer, the Arleigh Burke-class Preble. I think we are still a ways off from them being small enough to be mounted on any jet fighters. Plus they require a a lot of power.
Hey GS, Thanks for all the consistent uploads, I love your videos.
Have you ever thought about maybe hosting some sort of dogfight tournament on your channel? It could be a cool set of new content to try out.
Of course you would need to carefully construct the rules to avoid every match becoming a Raptor showcase. I can think of a few possible ways to keep it interesting.
How do you feel about it?
Even more of a challenge...GS is too good, so he'll have to fly the "underdog" jet as well! Love you bro, but you're just too good! Lol
Maybe a term to use in place of 'stealth', in order to elaborate on the capabilities, would be to refer to the airframe as 'slippery'. You may be led to believe that you have a targeting solution, but there's a higher probability of a slippery target evading the lock.
Great BVR round, Sir. Well done.
Man, I love your dogfight videos! I do wish you would do more WWII dogfights though
Great one! Finally! Toxic is back! Everytime Toxic is the enemy of GS, its so intense!
what about f22 raptor vs f4 phantom but the raptor can only go half throttle?
About Time bruhhhive been waiting for this!! Thank you!! Also wanna see the F-35 VS the J-20 as well in a dogfight
Awsome Ride Ace.
love your vids keep up the good work
Love the vid man
Great content 🔥
Want to build your own stealth coating? Eat lots of Hot Pockets. The sleeves that are supposed to crisp them have a susceptor coating inside that absorbs EM radiation and converts it to heat. This in turn, makes your Hot Pocket cwispy.
But it's absorbing radio waves. The USAF covered the F-22 in Hot Pocket sleeves bros!!
F-22…. It‘s a monster…
Love it.
Damn I think that mirror camo looks damn beautiful
Can you do a video without defending… pushing forward and enter a quick notch… close the distance super quick as he defends your missiles
this is what ive been waiting for goddamnit
I'm definitely inlove with the new paint coating of the F-22 Raptor ❤
Mirror finish looks cool.👍
Bro put hardest transition at 16:18 and thought we won't notice
Love The Ceramic Stealth Coating! Its also been spotted on F-35's and F-117's as well! The Ceramic/Metallic Stealth Coating is said to slightly further reduce RCS, greatly reduced IR signature, and allows the aircraft to accelerate and maintain higher speeds without worrying about damaging RAM!
Btw what AMRAAM did you use in this vid and most of your previous vids? C-5, C-7, or D??*
How does it reduce IR signature? The heat has to go somewhere
@@NameNotAlreadyTaken2knowing Lockheed I honestly wouldn’t be that surprised if they managed to break the laws of thermodynamics
How does a mirror reduce rcs ?
I thought it would reflect radar beam more easily
Keep in mind this is a critically acclaimed (several) award winning journalist!👍
@@NameNotAlreadyTaken2reflective surfaces really mess with IR sensors
Great vid
I believe the Mirrored coating is a prototype visual stealth technology where images can be broadcast onto the skin of the aircraft, like the sky behind the aircraft for example making it incredibly hard to visually acquire.
J-20 versus Felon next? I loved this video, nice flying by Toxic!
Work. Of. Art.
The F-22 cobra still lingers in my mind from the last time
Hey, GS.. does Toxic have a channel? Would absolutely love to see the other side of the fight on his end as well! I think that would make for an equally awesome channel as when you two go toe to toe it is always a banger!!
Shoutout to our boi toxic for being part of the fun in these vids
When the F-22 soars low - everyone always pauses, even for a moment - to behold it.
The polished, mirrored effect does make sense. Mirrored, polished aluminum used to the the norm, reduced weight and didn’t make air to air combat any easier.
Going off of you talking about weapon enhancements, I’ve always been curious about if it’d be possible/ practical to creat a missile that has both radar detection and thermal detection so that when you fire the missile and it’s guided by the radar lock, if the bandit goes “cold” the missle could then hone in on the thermal signature. Granted, it’d have to be a highly sensitive thermal sensor to acquire and maintain track for potentially miles, which would also make it susceptible to other heat signatures. I don’t know Jack about the technology but if it was tuned to seek out specific thermal temps maybe it’d be more accurate. 🤷🏻♂️
The Jay two O hits the drink. Very refreshing 😌
Tasty, this could get fun !
Brooo that BF4 theme when the J-20 got shot really hit diffrent. Since the J-20 is associated with BF4 for many people in the first place.
There is some really interesting research being done on laser harmonics and beam attenuation to let laser beams travel with less atmospheric interference. The real problem is that clouds or rain will always beat lasers, and if your laser pulse doesn’t defeat the target, the melted part of the exterior will very efficiently radiate the heat away and to cooler parts of the airframe, rendering the weapon less and less effective. It seems like for the next few decades at least, lasers will only be used in aircraft to blind sensors and maybe detonate missiles. All that being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Air Force or even the Army ends up developing something like the YAL-1 based on solid state lasers for battlefield artillery/rocket/mortar interdiction fairly soon.
Yea, would rather they used their laser weapons for that and not destroying Hawaiian villages
that’s already been developed and [shockingly] contractor claims that it has been used in combat once. (RTX’s CRAM lasers)
Bro like crazy sick
hey i looked into the mirror camo!! there was also an f-117 nighthawk that had that mirror paint tested as well!!
Nice job McFly
It is cool to see actual F22 in my area to fly around. Playing sims a while back and be called a "cheat" because I programed my controllers correctly was fun.
“Without his lifelong friend, puff could not be brave, so puff that mighty dragon sadly slipped into his cave.”
Nice Video👍
Have Sulu raise the shields, prepare to disperse a full spread of photon torpedo's.
Let me tell you about that mirrored finish.. One guy had a TON of vinyl left over from his car wrap days and he met a guy with the keys to the class 6 shop. A few beer pyramids later........ Fist ACFT even had spinners on the rims.......
You come at the king, you better not miss.
Hey GS, nice video man. It would be interesting to see SU 57 vs J20
11:49 yep, he definitely reads the comments!
yes I do
The GS Toxic fights are always very good ....that was an awesome bvr fight gentleman
The polished camo might just be like a car with no paint job just primer 🤷♀️ or it’s something super freaking advanced I’m losing it thinking of the possibilities
I'm a fan. All of it entertaining and really informative. Your channel provides insight, how modern air battles are done and at least I understand it a bit, if not all. Thank you for that. A request if you would be so kind to indulge. A J-20 vs a Su 57 felon. A battle of the communists.
I would love to see the tacview of BVR fights in a time lapse at the end!
The mirror coating might be a response to the development of airborne laser target designation systems that themselves were designed (by Russian, China etc.) in response to stealth technology. The coating isn't there to reflect a laser weapon. It's there to defeat an enemy targeting system.
I think the finish you're looking at is testing of new ceramic RAM. The last generation of polymer RAM is speed limited to about Mach 1.6. NG ceramic based ram maintains its properties up to about 2000 degrees F and so will maintain stealth up to hypersonic speed and hugely reduce Mx costs for the RAM essential to reduction of radar signature -- a considerable leap forward.
Dope!
If the RCS of the J20 is as large as claimed in reports the F-22 should not have a problem finding them.
Not that large.
The mirror finish is because of a Capri Sun sponsorship
The new mirror coating is so that when the pilot walks up to the plane to enter, he can see his reflection and know what a badass he is.
If possible would love to see WWI Biplane vs jet, or Mig 15 VS 4FU
That F-22 looks insane. Easily the best fighter on the planet. Love the BVR man...... Good fight.
Honestly it’s like you always upload a video when my a*s touches down on the couch.
Loved it....
We need this video. Revisit the F-15 STOL/MTD Active and pit it against the SU-37 Terminator.
That livery is the best.
Thanks! Can you provide a link to the outro song? Awesome videos and action Mr. GS.
Thank you very much, the outro song is the bf4 theme song I believe.
You've got the Screamin' Eagle "Stealth Chrome" Kit. Available now at your local Harley Davidson dealer.
Mirror coating is for the pilot to check themselves with make sure they look good.
Please create a Vid with NGAD, SR-72, and B-21! All three DCS* 6th gen aircraft in one scenario!🙏👍
6:16 this transition was smooth
Would've liked to have seen a tacview on this one!
I mean the f35 was invisible until it crashed.
5:25 Why is the Sidewinder's Chinese equivalent rolled out? Doesn't that compromise stealth? Isn't it too far for that at this point?
Soo we got the Thunderbird air show coming to Orlando FL next month
Love the new victory theme