Of course. I wish people understood when I try to explain myself by saying that I'm an anarchist just because I feel it in my heart. Not because its typical characteristics, not because I "like chaos", or "rebellion". But because I wish so bad that someday we could just respect and help each other unconditionally, I NEED to feel we would all care for each other, because I would, I would take care of you and everyone. Cheers from Argentina Jorge!
+AwakeningTruth an·ar·chism ˈanərˌkizəm/Submit noun belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion. please don't spread lies and label yourself a truth teller because you're really ignorant
***** no imbecile the word which you are talking about is subjective and therefore invalid to the claim I have made. Did I say system? No I called you out on your ignorant statement. If your definition of freedom involves private property and use of money than it is you who doesn't understand anarchy at all.
It's called The Spanish Civil War - Part 5 - Inside the Revolution and is available in its entirety on youtube. Also, check out Living Utopia, also on youtube.
Exactly. Those same Bolsheviks also sabotaged the anarcho-syndicalist revolution in Spain. But some Ukrainian anarchists fought alongside the CNT in Spain. I've read somewhere that Durruti, when in France met and spoke with Makhno. Ⓐ
thank you for posting this. It is important to show how well anarchism can function when people have the courage and inspiration to take control of their lives.
I agree although i highly doubt it would work for long. Look at history and human nature. Someone would want to gain more and more power and become a dictator. Money is one tool to gain power
I know! This is a great example of how based and functional anarchism is! My favorite part was when they murdered six thousand catholic priests in cold blood! true freedom fighters :)
im catalonian , my father was an active member of cnt i still have the document, is nice that is some parts of the world still remember the spanish war,
I'm so proud to see my comrades working so harmoniously. There you can see it's not a dream at all. It's the logical thing to do. Work collectively for your class, not for the rich; eating the bread we produce.
every spanish citizen should be proud for these unique historical moments!there is no other moment in human history(maybe with exception of the communa of 1871) in which the working class managed to built a free society based on true solidarity like it happened the first months of the spanish revolution!if the so called "land of the proletariat",russia,had helped the spanish rebels to win the war against facists the world would be now different!venceremos companeros!a friend from greece.....
***** I just want to clarify that individualist anarchists have always been socialists; Pierre Joseph Proudhon, Benjamin Tucker, Max Stirner and even Spooner. Joseph A. Labadie, a 19th to20th century individual anarchist and ally to Benjamin Tucker makes it clear that “all anarchists are socialists, but not all socialists are anarchists” The individual has the right to govern himself, and because capitalism infringes on that right the individualist anarchists thus oppose it. Your definition of individualist anarchism is misleading, "owning whatever someone wishes to own provided it’s done voluntarily" seems closer to "anarcho"-capitalism " (which is a very modern phenomenon and is rejected by most anarchists including individualist anarchists as not being part of the anarchist tradition). What is key to individualist anarchist thought is as Tucker put it “labour should be put in possession of its own” or that the individual's right is to possess what he or she produced. What is also quite central to individualist anarchism is the “Labour Theory of Value”. I don’t want to sound too picky but “owning whatever someone wishes to own provided it’s done voluntarily” is misrepresentative of individual anarchism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist_anarchism
We must remember, the final stage in Marxian thought, Communism, is an environment similar if not the same as anrachism. That is a stateless cooperative society with no ruling government. The working class alone has become a government and they through Democratic means, make the decisions on how Society is to be run. Never should we confuse Leninism (party vangardism) with Marxism (democratic rule of the workers).
absolutely, there is plenty of overlap between anarchists, councilists, syndicalists, etc but unity will never work if it extends to leninism or its offshoots
He was a self-educated genius and even if i did not share all his ideas, I admired him much more for his courage and his values of freedom He had a romantic & epic life which would deserve to became a movie :-) For him and his memory (he died 21 years ago) & all his democratic brothers in arm in this tragedy Spain War , thanks for this video and 5*****
@vasgeorge Actually, a great deal of anarchists are, and have always been, communists. Anarcho-communism, opposed to the statist, authoritarian communism of Lenin and his cronies. Certainly even more opposed to the later Stalinists and their different forms (Maoism, Castroism, etc). Read Kropotkin and you'll see what libertarian socialists have always wanted-- Not upper case "c" communism with a centralized, dictatorial Party state.
@swfcocs1 That's pretty damn good. I think there was one guy from the Abraham Lincoln Brigade from my country that fought in the Durruti Column, think he's still alive too, though I can't recall his name. And I know there was the Sacco and Vanzetti section as well.
@diamonddust22 I recommend you read Anarchist theory for yourself, Kropotkin, Malatesta, Bakunin are great places to start, if you want some contemporary theorists check out Chomsky and Peter Marshall’s Demanding the Impossible provides a really comprehensive account of the history of the Anarchist movement.
@swfcocs1 I'd like to move in your direction to assess their strategy. I have begun studying the Spanish example only recently. At first I have been more interested in the constructive aspects in rural and industrial self-management. Once I familiarize myself more with the balance of forces and take in a more rigorous narrative of the events of the Civil War, I'll begin thinking about the actions of the CNT/FAI, Friends of Durruti, etc in regard to revolutionary strategy.
@diamonddust22 "Nope, just a guy that believes in hard work, good ethics and integrity where your actions are your signature and your word is your bond." Those beliefs are in perfect alignment with anarchism.
Horizontal organization at work. No hierarchy, no oppression, no capitalism -- such a beautiful, democratic world. We will one day have freedom, friends.
@huxley2221 The vouchers made all work equalized. One hour in a field was the same as an hour in a hospital as a nurse. A simple flat wage for the same for all people.
The main problem with a resource based economy and the venus project as a whole, is that it is more of an idea than a fully planned out solution. Jacque Fresco has many creative and colourful ideas, however I have yet to see any tangible plans.
I am an anarchist. But an anarchist leader is a really disturbing contradiction. In anarchy there are no social lasses and no ruling class. Freedom and Liberty to ALL!
Orwell was no fanatical Marxist. He was drafted into the POUM militia almost by accident and said in 'homage' that he would actually have preferred to join the anarchists. He was a democratic socialist and a British labour party supporter. And one more thing, the POUM was not actually a Trotskyist organisation, despite the stalinist attempts to paint it as such.
He was made prisoner at the end of the Spain War, but being likely to be French, he was released and returned to France quickly where he became an important person of the anarchistic democratic movement of the south of France and was of course member of a group of resistants during the WW2 & the German nazi occupation of France ...
@jesselakerr To be honoust, it wasn´t very well, there were revolutionairy courts run by anarchists, but there was no seperation of powers. I would propose council courts set up by the people.
My paternal grand-father was one of these anarchists (a true & not these little current shits middle-class and violent who claim themselves anarchistic just to play rebels) who created their "société idéale" during a few months in Barcelona Born in Spain (Valencia) in 1899, he arrived very young in France at the beginning of the 20th century and becomes French very young ...
"In all cases scarce articles were rationed, with priority for children, invalids, the aged, and pregnant women. Non-essential rationed articles were distributed in rotation....On the other hand, when there were abundant quantities of provisions (like fruits and vegetables) these items were distributed free, without restrictions of any kind." The Anarchist Collectives by Sam Dolgoff.
My only criticism from a trotskyest perspective, is they should have taken power in Catalonia, to prevent the stalinists from doing so, and actually seen the revolution through. Real marxism,socialism anarchism follows the principles of the means of production being owned by the acciociated producers from below democratically. Respect to the CNT-FAI. Viva la revolucion!
For what I know about the spanish civil war, the catalan anarchists were not a huge support to defend the spanish Republic against the fascist rebels, or at least they did not provide the help they could have. Had they been more organized, more focused in giving priority to victory in the front rather than starting useless revolutions in the rearguard, that wouldve been another story.
SkyTerrors: The Spanish Civil War was between the Fascists under Franco and the Republicans which were comprised of many ideaologies: Anarchists, Communists, Democrats, etc. When not fighting the fascists they would fight among themselves, which was one of the reasons why they lost the war.
Imagine what we could today, where manual labor could be made obsolete trough automation, in an anarcho-socialist society. Everyone could simply dedicate their time to their passion, do a job out of passion instead of the necessity to survive. It would bring about a new age of Enlightenment.
The bourgeois state cannot be ignored. It must be smashed. The anarchists should have formed a revolutionary junta, with all economic power remaining with the workers' councils. By ignoring the state the CNT layed the ground for the defeat of the revolution.
@swfcocs1 No, the sailors of Kronstadt weren't choir boys. But the people of Kronstadt set up house committees, factory committees, agricultural communes, shop committees and a popular militia. This is what socialism is all about; workers' control of production and self-management. They despised "commissarocracy" (a neologism they used frequently) and wanted the soviets to have actual meaning. What's wrong with that? Check out "Socialism in Quotation Marks" or the Petropavlovsk Resolution.
@HammarHeart That all men are born equal means that all are born with the same rights, that's how I understand it. Individualist Anarchism is also a form of socialism.
come, join in the only battle wherin no man can fail, where whoso fadeth and dieth, yet his deed still prevail. NO PASARAN RIP Martyrs shrouded in black and red who fought and fell for liberty
i am not going to argue with you, if you consider it money or not. because i agree that it can be seen as money. but my point is that what makes it radically different is that they use a different system of valueing labour. the vouchers represent hours of a labour instead of the capitalist system of demand and supply.
@diamonddust22 I agree with you about archaic systems, but not the way you do, I think. Yes, the classical anarchist thinkers were basing their ideas on the real world in the 19th and early 20th century, nowadays there is the problem of having a clear analysis of the contemporary situation. What is more difficult is that the situation is different, say, in the US than it is in Eastern Europe or South America. Among modern issues, I would say technology and workers self-management are crucial.
Yes.3 years before WWII started, fascist military men in Spain tried a coup d'etat against the democratic republic of Spain which turned into a civil war. While fascist countries (italy and germany) openly helped the spanish facist rebels, the Republic (mostly fighting with volunteers) stood alone against fascism.British and french governments were reluctant to support Spain knowing that wouldve meant another world war,which eventually started just a few months too late for the spanish republic.
@diamonddust22 "Well, when you tell me about anarchism, I want to hear that in you, but I don't." My responses to you weren't me singing you a love song; I was annoyed to see another person howling against anarchists, and perhaps I was a bit rough. But you seem like a decent enough guy. There are all sorts of neo-fascists and right wing libertarian capitalist people lurking around on anarchist videos, sneering and gloating, and sometimes it's necessary to turn the hose of shit in reverse
For you "degradation and subordination to the Church and the State" and for others valuable works of art (even if you do not want to recognize religion).
Did you learn what you know from Communists? Because they have a pretty different take on the whole situation. George Orwell, who served as a milita member and was himself a socialist, blamed the Communists for instigating power struggles against the Anarchists before the war against Franco had been won. He also claimed that both sides failed to consider joining in a tactical alliance with the Basque region.
There is a way, but it starts with grassroots economics and grassroots education and online networking using the most effective internet technology that we can produce. Grassroots economics will slowly erode the hierarchical structure of the corporations. You'll see.
@diamonddust22 In fact, self-development and realization of the life of the individual are absolutely crucial to anarchists, especially in relation to work. That is more than can be said for capitalism, in which the privileged have the monopoly on developing their talents, in which there is no truly democratic distribution of educational opportunity. Anarchists advocate individuals shaping and enriching themselves with more accuracy, more sharpness than capitalism allows.
@swfcocs1 On Makhno's counterintelligence, check out V. Azarov's Kontrrazvedka. It was based around a guy named Lev Zadov, who went by the name Zinkovsky. It's a very foggy area of history, and it'd be folly to put too much faith in the various accounts about this guy at this time. He lasted as long as the 30s, and was accused of infiltrating Soviet police to bring ex-Makhnovists back to the Ukraine. A couple Makhnovists went on to fight in the Durruti column too, I think.
A resource based economy is a very short-sighted concept. With dealing and trading in only resources how will credits and debts be attributed? A common form of currency, something with basic monetary value is needed for economies to grow and standards of living to be at the level they are now in industrialized nations.
@diamonddust22 I don't have a romantic thing for anarchism, though I do for democracy and cooperation between people, for firm principles and just deeds. But I don't think one can just romanticize and distort actual problems that arise from putting such ideas into practice, which is one of the reasons I am trying to learn more about economics and history so on, so that there are no blind spots, no elbow room for self-deception and so on. What are your thoughts and ideals?
@diamonddust22 "People today, are not the same people as those of 1936 under those conditions." Agreed. With the rise of the welfare state and trade unionism, the lives of the majority of people in advanced industrial societies is better. But these advances have been won BECAUSE of workers' struggles, not just because capitalism makes itself better on its own. The opposition to capitalism that anarchists hold to as a matter of principle is not assuaged by a few social reforms.
@VLSMITH1000 "Just because something is good does not mean that it will survive. For example, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising against the Nazis failed but that does not mean that the uprising was a bad cause or that the Nazi regime was correct, far from it."
I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but couldn't the Spanish Anarchists just accept the power and decentralise afterwards? At least then they would've been internationally recognized as an autonomous nation and there probabley wouldn't have been an invasion by the rest of the Republic.
@freddo27 Yes, I agree. If such a movement can be built in the future, smashing will be silly. Why not seize useless buildings and turn them into centers for mutual aid, like the bourses du travail? There are always more constructive things to be done if you have a broad movement colored by libertarian ideas. That's what the anarchists did when they took the Durnovo villa in the February Revolution; made it a place for working people, with reading rooms, and a playground for their children.
Dude, we have many busted buildings in my city that are just sitting there. I guarantee a whole community could turn them into community centers or maybe mutual aid centers.
@diamonddust22 "Anarchists don't like progress, or the advancement and evolution of the human race." What classical anarchist thinkers argued against the advancement of the human race? What anarchist thinkers have you read?
hello! Individualist Anarchist here with a quick question for my Socio-Anarchist friends. This seems to be a pretty great system, but if I wanted to run things my way with the property I have worked to maintain, would you still accept me? This may mean a mint for my own currency or a business. Would you still hold freedom of association to be your moral standard?
maybe i am getting carried away in the idealism. but which committee? nowhere in the film or literature did i see that prices were fixed by committees. in the response as you give it, it sounds logical. but you are missing out, that they were trying to shift the main point of authority from a centralized leadership to a more horizontal and democratic one. even though i am still not sure how they were fixing the value of their vouchers.
Anarchism, not Anarchy, has nothing to do with chaos. Maybe you should read some of the Anarchist thinkers beyond Proudhon. American society wants you to believe that Anarchism equates to violence and chaos, but it is about an organization that does not require a leader, or any sort of "control system", as Burroughs called them (ie- government, military, religion.)
The funniest thing about anarchism in spain is that durning civil war they actually fuoght against themselves...one fraction against another. Franco won thanks to their weakness and division.
@agapeiron Firstly, what applied in 1936 does not apply now. Those were desperate times calling for desperate measures, and even with the system we have now, if something like that should happen, we as people would band together and help each other. People today, are not the same people as those of 1936 under those conditions. You are not them, and you are not under those conditions. In fact, you have nothing to complain about. You have freedom to do as you wish with your own free will.
@diamonddust22 "Those were desperate times calling for desperate measures, and even with the system we have now, if something like that should happen, we as people would band together and help each other." What about white collar workers from the middle class from those times? There were doctors engineers that were anarchists and took part in workers' self-management, collectivization. Since they were not living under desperate conditions, does that mean they should not have participated?
Remember that episode of south park where the guy stuffed in the box starts saying some Marxist shit, then the interview asks "so how's the box thing work?" The MSM, while I view important AT TIMES, is still a tool by the capitalists.
Of course. I wish people understood when I try to explain myself by saying that I'm an anarchist just because I feel it in my heart. Not because its typical characteristics, not because I "like chaos", or "rebellion". But because I wish so bad that someday we could just respect and help each other unconditionally, I NEED to feel we would all care for each other, because I would, I would take care of you and everyone.
Cheers from Argentina Jorge!
I urge all those who delighted in what was shown here to research the Zapatistas in Chiapas, Mexico, for a similar movement albeit in the modern day.
@Irvin O shut up statist
@Irvin O "hello, I'm so asshole who think people should conform. NO IM NOT A FASCIST!
My grandma was Catalonian, my dad still speaks it. I wish I did
I can teach it to you :D Where are you from?
Canada
I know I'm four years too late but does anyone know a good place online where an Irish comrade such as myself may learn Catalan?
The closest thing to a real Anarchism that the world has ever seen.
***** xDD
+AwakeningTruth an·ar·chism
ˈanərˌkizəm/Submit
noun
belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion. please don't spread lies and label yourself a truth teller because you're really ignorant
***** no imbecile the word which you are talking about is subjective and therefore invalid to the claim I have made. Did I say system? No I called you out on your ignorant statement. If your definition of freedom involves private property and use of money than it is you who doesn't understand anarchy at all.
***** Awakening the truth? Hahaha what a subjective thing to glorify. You say proudhon. I say sterner
***** define what is the difference between socialism and communism.
It's called The Spanish Civil War - Part 5 - Inside the Revolution and is available in its entirety on youtube. Also, check out Living Utopia, also on youtube.
Thanks
Exactly. Those same Bolsheviks also sabotaged the anarcho-syndicalist revolution in Spain. But some Ukrainian anarchists fought alongside the CNT in Spain. I've read somewhere that Durruti, when in France met and spoke with Makhno. Ⓐ
Haha what?
@@livinglifeform7974 Sekrit dokumints don't say anything about anarchists... must be Western propaganda...
A beautiful moment in time
@Ryan Shut up asshole
Churches were burned and looted
thank you for posting this. It is important to show how well anarchism can function when people have the courage and inspiration to take control of their lives.
I agree although i highly doubt it would work for long. Look at history and human nature. Someone would want to gain more and more power and become a dictator. Money is one tool to gain power
I know! This is a great example of how based and functional anarchism is! My favorite part was when they murdered six thousand catholic priests in cold blood! true freedom fighters :)
im catalonian , my father was an active member of cnt i still have the document, is nice that is some parts of the world still remember the spanish war,
just read homage to catalona by george orwell.
enjoyable book and informative
It's a good starter, but dont base you ideals on it.
I'm so proud to see my comrades working so harmoniously. There you can see it's not a dream at all. It's the logical thing to do. Work collectively for your class, not for the rich; eating the bread we produce.
every spanish citizen should be proud for these unique historical moments!there is no other moment in human history(maybe with exception of the communa of 1871) in which the working class managed to built a free society based on true solidarity like it happened the first months of the spanish revolution!if the so called "land of the proletariat",russia,had helped the spanish rebels to win the war against facists the world would be now different!venceremos companeros!a friend from greece.....
i am so touched by this system, why isn't there a rule of this one today, just wondering.
im in love right now
Rojava Syria, right now !
Beautiful. We will never forget the work of our comrades in Catalunya.
What would be your view on individualist anarchism and owning whatever someone wishes to own provided its done voluntarily?
*****
I just want to
clarify that individualist anarchists have always been socialists; Pierre
Joseph Proudhon, Benjamin Tucker, Max Stirner and even Spooner. Joseph A. Labadie, a 19th to20th century individual anarchist and ally to Benjamin Tucker makes
it clear that “all anarchists are
socialists, but not all socialists are anarchists” The individual has the right to govern himself,
and because capitalism infringes on that right the individualist anarchists thus
oppose it. Your definition of individualist anarchism is misleading,
"owning whatever someone wishes to own provided it’s done
voluntarily" seems closer to "anarcho"-capitalism " (which is
a very modern phenomenon and is rejected by most anarchists including individualist
anarchists as not being part of the anarchist tradition). What is key to individualist
anarchist thought is as Tucker put it “labour should be put
in possession of its own” or that the individual's right is to possess what he
or she produced. What is also quite central to individualist anarchism is the “Labour
Theory of Value”. I don’t want to sound too picky but “owning whatever someone wishes to own provided it’s
done voluntarily” is misrepresentative of individual anarchism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist_anarchism
So do you adhere to the LTV?
***** Not really, I do not think that you can objectively measure value.
ok :)
Dave Griffiths yup
We must remember, the final stage in Marxian thought, Communism, is an environment similar if not the same as anrachism. That is a stateless cooperative society with no ruling government. The working class alone has become a government and they through Democratic means, make the decisions on how Society is to be run. Never should we confuse Leninism (party vangardism) with Marxism (democratic rule of the workers).
absolutely, there is plenty of overlap between anarchists, councilists, syndicalists, etc but unity will never work if it extends to leninism or its offshoots
@@riikki___
Well, they all lead to the same end goal. The only difference is the means by which each group reaches communism.
but the different is that the scientific socialism is very deterministic and i think that this is very dangerous
He was a self-educated genius and even if i did not share all his ideas, I admired him much more for his courage and his values of freedom
He had a romantic & epic life which would deserve to became a movie :-)
For him and his memory (he died 21 years ago) & all his democratic brothers in arm in this tragedy Spain War , thanks for this video and 5*****
@vasgeorge Actually, a great deal of anarchists are, and have always been, communists. Anarcho-communism, opposed to the statist, authoritarian communism of Lenin and his cronies. Certainly even more opposed to the later Stalinists and their different forms (Maoism, Castroism, etc). Read Kropotkin and you'll see what libertarian socialists have always wanted-- Not upper case "c" communism with a centralized, dictatorial Party state.
I'll never forget my trip to spain and my encounters with current members of the CNT. Viva CNT.
@swfcocs1 That's pretty damn good. I think there was one guy from the Abraham Lincoln Brigade from my country that fought in the Durruti Column, think he's still alive too, though I can't recall his name. And I know there was the Sacco and Vanzetti section as well.
@diamonddust22 I recommend you read Anarchist theory for yourself, Kropotkin, Malatesta, Bakunin are great places to start, if you want some contemporary theorists check out Chomsky and Peter Marshall’s Demanding the Impossible provides a really comprehensive account of the history of the Anarchist movement.
@swfcocs1 I'd like to move in your direction to assess their strategy. I have begun studying the Spanish example only recently. At first I have been more interested in the constructive aspects in rural and industrial self-management. Once I familiarize myself more with the balance of forces and take in a more rigorous narrative of the events of the Civil War, I'll begin thinking about the actions of the CNT/FAI, Friends of Durruti, etc in regard to revolutionary strategy.
@emptyslicepeace
You make a valid and logical argument, thanks to you I've changed my mind on anarchism.
The only proven solution to capitalism✊🏽
@diamonddust22 "Nope, just a guy that believes in hard work, good ethics and integrity where your actions are your signature and your word is your bond."
Those beliefs are in perfect alignment with anarchism.
Horizontal organization at work. No hierarchy, no oppression, no capitalism -- such a beautiful, democratic world.
We will one day have freedom, friends.
@huxley2221 The vouchers made all work equalized. One hour in a field was the same as an hour in a hospital as a nurse. A simple flat wage for the same for all people.
I like this.
great footage, thanks
regards
saturdayboy and Revuhlooshun,
Thank you both for taking time out to explain,
anarchism is based on differences.on tolerating them,and living together,no matter what kind they are.
The main problem with a resource based economy and the venus project as a whole, is that it is more of an idea than a fully planned out solution. Jacque Fresco has many creative and colourful ideas, however I have yet to see any tangible plans.
@Lollipoppization So true. We are all part of society and must work to contribute positively to it, just like Kropotkin said.
I am an anarchist. But an anarchist leader is a really disturbing contradiction. In anarchy there are no social lasses and no ruling class. Freedom and Liberty to ALL!
Orwell was no fanatical Marxist. He was drafted into the POUM militia almost by accident and said in 'homage' that he would actually have preferred to join the anarchists. He was a democratic socialist and a British labour party supporter. And one more thing, the POUM was not actually a Trotskyist organisation, despite the stalinist attempts to paint it as such.
He was made prisoner at the end of the Spain War, but being likely to be French, he was released and returned to France quickly where he became an important person of the anarchistic democratic movement of the south of France and was of course member of a group of resistants during the WW2 & the German nazi occupation of France
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This was the perfect unity of revolution: anarchists, socialists, and communists the ultimate power of the proletariat..
I'm no anarchist but resisting the Facist machine is a noble cause worth fighting for. What a shame for us all the revolution failed.
@jesselakerr
To be honoust, it wasn´t very well, there were revolutionairy courts run by anarchists, but there was no seperation of powers. I would propose council courts set up by the people.
My paternal grand-father was one of these anarchists (a true & not these little current shits middle-class and violent who claim themselves anarchistic just to play rebels) who created their "société idéale" during a few months in Barcelona
Born in Spain (Valencia) in 1899, he arrived very young in France at the beginning of the 20th century and becomes French very young
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"In all cases scarce articles were rationed, with priority for children, invalids, the aged, and pregnant women. Non-essential rationed articles were distributed in rotation....On the other hand, when there were abundant quantities of provisions (like fruits and vegetables) these items were distributed free, without restrictions of any kind." The Anarchist Collectives by Sam Dolgoff.
My only criticism from a trotskyest perspective, is they should have taken power in Catalonia, to prevent the stalinists from doing so, and actually seen the revolution through. Real marxism,socialism anarchism follows the principles of the means of production being owned by the acciociated producers from below democratically. Respect to the CNT-FAI. Viva la revolucion!
For what I know about the spanish civil war, the catalan anarchists were not a huge support to defend the spanish Republic against the fascist rebels, or at least they did not provide the help they could have. Had they been more organized, more focused in giving priority to victory in the front rather than starting useless revolutions in the rearguard, that wouldve been another story.
That's beautiful. We need anarchy in America. But we could possibly do it without the bloodshed. Education is the first and biggest obstacle.
you could leave your door unlocked in the days
notice the lack of chaos amongst the anachist.
I have never seen a region more left than Catalonia and specially Barcelona.
what film is this from ?
SkyTerrors:
The Spanish Civil War was between the Fascists under Franco and the Republicans which were comprised of many ideaologies: Anarchists, Communists, Democrats, etc. When not fighting the fascists they would fight among themselves, which was one of the reasons why they lost the war.
Imagine what we could today, where manual labor could be made obsolete trough automation, in an anarcho-socialist society. Everyone could simply dedicate their time to their passion, do a job out of passion instead of the necessity to survive. It would bring about a new age of Enlightenment.
The bourgeois state cannot be ignored. It must be smashed. The anarchists should have formed a revolutionary junta, with all economic power remaining with the workers' councils. By ignoring the state the CNT layed the ground for the defeat of the revolution.
Anarchism and ancient Greek democracy is similar in many aspects but not all but still they are self governed societies
He also had the assistance of both Mussolini and Hitler
This is what we could´ve had by now...
@swfcocs1 No, the sailors of Kronstadt weren't choir boys. But the people of Kronstadt set up house committees, factory committees, agricultural communes, shop committees and a popular militia. This is what socialism is all about; workers' control of production and self-management. They despised "commissarocracy" (a neologism they used frequently) and wanted the soviets to have actual meaning. What's wrong with that? Check out "Socialism in Quotation Marks" or the Petropavlovsk Resolution.
@HammarHeart
That all men are born equal means that all are born with the same rights, that's how I understand it. Individualist Anarchism is also a form of socialism.
come, join in the only battle wherin no man can fail, where whoso fadeth and dieth, yet his deed still prevail.
NO PASARAN
RIP Martyrs shrouded in black and red who fought and fell for liberty
i am not going to argue with you, if you consider it money or not. because i agree that it can be seen as money.
but my point is that what makes it radically different is that they use a different system of valueing labour. the vouchers represent hours of a labour instead of the capitalist system of demand and supply.
@diamonddust22 I agree with you about archaic systems, but not the way you do, I think. Yes, the classical anarchist thinkers were basing their ideas on the real world in the 19th and early 20th century, nowadays there is the problem of having a clear analysis of the contemporary situation. What is more difficult is that the situation is different, say, in the US than it is in Eastern Europe or South America. Among modern issues, I would say technology and workers self-management are crucial.
No, fight for freedom, figth for anarchism.
Stalin's greatest betrayal to humanity was to undermine this beacon of hope for a better society.
I did not say the stalinists worked with the fascists. I said that the anarchists were betrayed by the stalinists.
geog2008 brought me here
What’s to stop these ‘vouchers’ becoming just another currency?
Yes.3 years before WWII started, fascist military men in Spain tried a coup d'etat against the democratic republic of Spain which turned into a civil war. While fascist countries (italy and germany) openly helped the spanish facist rebels, the Republic (mostly fighting with volunteers) stood alone against fascism.British and french governments were reluctant to support Spain knowing that wouldve meant another world war,which eventually started just a few months too late for the spanish republic.
@diamonddust22 "Well, when you tell me about anarchism, I want to hear that in you, but I don't."
My responses to you weren't me singing you a love song; I was annoyed to see another person howling against anarchists, and perhaps I was a bit rough. But you seem like a decent enough guy. There are all sorts of neo-fascists and right wing libertarian capitalist people lurking around on anarchist videos, sneering and gloating, and sometimes it's necessary to turn the hose of shit in reverse
We humans have all to get rid of capitalism and its lies. Let truth help us men and women. Let us work together - for us.
For you "degradation and subordination to the Church and the State" and for others valuable works of art (even if you do not want to recognize religion).
Did you learn what you know from Communists? Because they have a pretty different take on the whole situation.
George Orwell, who served as a milita member and was himself a socialist, blamed the Communists for instigating power struggles against the Anarchists before the war against Franco had been won.
He also claimed that both sides failed to consider joining in a tactical alliance with the Basque region.
There is a way, but it starts with grassroots economics and grassroots education and online networking using the most effective internet technology that we can produce. Grassroots economics will slowly erode the hierarchical structure of the corporations. You'll see.
@diamonddust22 In fact, self-development and realization of the life of the individual are absolutely crucial to anarchists, especially in relation to work. That is more than can be said for capitalism, in which the privileged have the monopoly on developing their talents, in which there is no truly democratic distribution of educational opportunity. Anarchists advocate individuals shaping and enriching themselves with more accuracy, more sharpness than capitalism allows.
@swfcocs1 On Makhno's counterintelligence, check out V. Azarov's Kontrrazvedka. It was based around a guy named Lev Zadov, who went by the name Zinkovsky. It's a very foggy area of history, and it'd be folly to put too much faith in the various accounts about this guy at this time. He lasted as long as the 30s, and was accused of infiltrating Soviet police to bring ex-Makhnovists back to the Ukraine. A couple Makhnovists went on to fight in the Durruti column too, I think.
It begins with building mass movements of working class people. Always has, always will. Let's get to it!
I can understand why they did it, but I cannot justify this. Such behaviour disqualifies the perpetrators on moral ground.
In Matthew he is also a capitalist. I don't think he ever even existed.
@swfcocs1 Thanks for the great recommendations. I will check out Beevor's book soon, though I have a full plate now as it is.
A resource based economy is a very short-sighted concept. With dealing and trading in only resources how will credits and debts be attributed? A common form of currency, something with basic monetary value is needed for economies to grow and standards of living to be at the level they are now in industrialized nations.
Capitalism is not the enemy of anarchism.
@diamonddust22 I don't have a romantic thing for anarchism, though I do for democracy and cooperation between people, for firm principles and just deeds. But I don't think one can just romanticize and distort actual problems that arise from putting such ideas into practice, which is one of the reasons I am trying to learn more about economics and history so on, so that there are no blind spots, no elbow room for self-deception and so on. What are your thoughts and ideals?
@diamonddust22 "People today, are not the same people as those of 1936 under those conditions."
Agreed. With the rise of the welfare state and trade unionism, the lives of the majority of people in advanced industrial societies is better. But these advances have been won BECAUSE of workers' struggles, not just because capitalism makes itself better on its own. The opposition to capitalism that anarchists hold to as a matter of principle is not assuaged by a few social reforms.
What a classy discussion!
@VLSMITH1000 "Just because something is good does not mean that it will survive. For example, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising against the Nazis failed but that does not mean that the uprising was a bad cause or that the Nazi regime was correct, far from it."
All in solidarity to the comrades in Athens. Viva la revolucion.
If you think they were immoral then you really don't understand why.
I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but couldn't the Spanish Anarchists just accept the power and decentralise afterwards? At least then they would've been internationally recognized as an autonomous nation and there probabley wouldn't have been an invasion by the rest of the Republic.
@freddo27 Yes, I agree. If such a movement can be built in the future, smashing will be silly. Why not seize useless buildings and turn them into centers for mutual aid, like the bourses du travail? There are always more constructive things to be done if you have a broad movement colored by libertarian ideas. That's what the anarchists did when they took the Durnovo villa in the February Revolution; made it a place for working people, with reading rooms, and a playground for their children.
Dude, we have many busted buildings in my city that are just sitting there. I guarantee a whole community could turn them into community centers or maybe mutual aid centers.
@diamonddust22 regarding the second sentence onwards, Anarchists aren't Nihilists....
@diamonddust22 "Anarchists don't like progress, or the advancement and evolution of the human race."
What classical anarchist thinkers argued against the advancement of the human race? What anarchist thinkers have you read?
hello! Individualist Anarchist here with a quick question for my Socio-Anarchist friends. This seems to be a pretty great system, but if I wanted to run things my way with the property I have worked to maintain, would you still accept me? This may mean a mint for my own currency or a business. Would you still hold freedom of association to be your moral standard?
How can you not justify the overthrow of an oppressive society that treats it's workers like trash?
maybe i am getting carried away in the idealism.
but which committee? nowhere in the film or literature did i see that prices were fixed by committees.
in the response as you give it, it sounds logical. but you are missing out, that they were trying to shift the main point of authority from a centralized leadership to a more horizontal and democratic one.
even though i am still not sure how they were fixing the value of their vouchers.
Anarchism, not Anarchy, has nothing to do with chaos. Maybe you should read some of the Anarchist thinkers beyond Proudhon. American society wants you to believe that Anarchism equates to violence and chaos, but it is about an organization that does not require a leader, or any sort of "control system", as Burroughs called them (ie- government, military, religion.)
the comment didnt concern anarchy in spain. but anarchy as an ideology.
For some Spanish people II World War started in 1936...
The funniest thing about anarchism in spain is that durning civil war they actually fuoght against themselves...one fraction against another. Franco won thanks to their weakness and division.
u also can look one of the best heroes , durruti, and la columna durruti , maybe you already listen or seen some
@agapeiron Firstly, what applied in 1936 does not apply now. Those were desperate times calling for desperate measures, and even with the system we have now, if something like that should happen, we as people would band together and help each other. People today, are not the same people as those of 1936 under those conditions. You are not them, and you are not under those conditions. In fact, you have nothing to complain about. You have freedom to do as you wish with your own free will.
@diamonddust22 "Those were desperate times calling for desperate measures, and even with the system we have now, if something like that should happen, we as people would band together and help each other."
What about white collar workers from the middle class from those times? There were doctors engineers that were anarchists and took part in workers' self-management, collectivization. Since they were not living under desperate conditions, does that mean they should not have participated?
@VLSMITH1000
They didn't defeat franco because they were betrayed by the stalinists. Organization had nothing to do with this.
There is some HISTORY that is so interestin' and well worth the time to learn of this,....on mainstream media, nope, nothin'!
Remember that episode of south park where the guy stuffed in the box starts saying some Marxist shit, then the interview asks "so how's the box thing work?"
The MSM, while I view important AT TIMES, is still a tool by the capitalists.