FULL DEBATE: Sam Shamoun vs A Jehovah’s Witness On Christ’s Deity (Cordial & Respectful)
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- This is a trimmed version of Sam Shamoun’s hour-long conversation with a Jehovah’s Witness. Both were cordial and respectful so you can learn from the facts. Additionally, the video provides all texts citations from the New World Translation and Early Church Father St Iraneaus’ Writings.
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Yes, very much so. Thank you!
Absolutely great. Thank you
The citations on the screen helps immensely! Thank you❤
When is someone going to face the reality that astrotheology shows us and of the 30 solar Messiahs before Jesus.
What about your God ordering the incest, murder, rape, genocide of the innocent and sacrifice.
Anyone defend that.
Please keep including citations and references. It's very helpful for research afterwards
This calm, humble & patient version of Sam in a discussion is much more fruitful to everyone and the kingdom of God.
I mean sometimes you match what energy is thrown at you. Also some people from other cultures argue/debate this way and expect/respect it.
@@darrinjones6093 No, why I said that is because I've seen other people with the same and there was just a lack of humility and patience on Sam's behalf that wasn't of the Spirit. I know the carnal flesh is still there wrestling with the Spirit to come out, and that's why we would be nothing without the imparted power of God to do his will each day. And our energy is to be humble even when we don't get it back. But I do get what you're saying.
I agree, this was one of a few debates that I managed to watch until the end. Sometimes, the arrogance is a bit too much even though he might be right.
YESSS TOTALLY AGREE @@TeStOs78
I think he sometimes drinks too much coffee.
X Jehova witness here, love it.
Praise God for your X. Jesus is Risen Indeed!
@@larrytischler570 The power of Christ reveals truth! Praise God.
Thank God, I found this channel. Thank you Sam.
I feel the same way my friend, Amen❤❤❤❤❤😊
Compiling my Notes to debate the next JW that rings my doorbell, great video!!!!
Please don't "debate", just present some questions out of love. Plant seeds of love and truth.
You may win the debate for sure but they will just mark your house off and stay in their lost doctrine. Point them to the Gospel. Watch Ray Comfort’s approach. He’s knowledgeable but he says he never debates with JWs but he gives him the Gospel
@@rayzina147 cool thanks, will watch soon
Thank you for giving the references on the screen.
Much appreciated! ❤
You are most welcome. I pray it will help you learn much faster.
yout do know sam doesnt know what hes talking about most of the time right?
@@ChristOverAllJeremy Are you Sam Shamoun? 😊
As a Catholic, obviously I cannot adhere to or agree with the "J/W" folks but I truly love to see someone as knowledgeable as YOU showing them the error of their ways. I pray they will one day, come to the full understanding of a Triune God who is, was, and ever shall be, world without end Amen!
The moment he quoted Psalms, it was when the debate was over
What did the Psalms say that could end what debate?
@@jimjuri6490watch the video? 😂
@@illaxeye43 : How can watching a video of someone looking for ways to avoid the truth help anyone.
The Psalms quoted is very clear. Jehovah God cannot be compared to anyone.
Using Hebrews chapter one in which Paul clearly shows that Jesus was a chosen angel is comparing an angel to God???
Jesus is compared to others in his line. Heb 1:9.
Wouldn't this video be a fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:13.
@@jimjuri6490 How do you interpret these two verses?
John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
in contrast with
Ezekiel 1:1 On the fifth day of the fourth month in the thirtieth year, while I was by the Chebar River with the Jews who had been taken away from their land, the heavens were opened and I saw God in a special way.
@@d-ric : Any ENVOY will say what Jesus said.
"No one has seen the person who SENT me. I have. Because I have come from him."
(In Jesus' case, we are taking about two separate locations. Heaven and earth)
Jesus had been an ANGEL. All angels have seen God (Job 1:6). Humans NEVER.
Ezekiel's sighting were visions. Not real.
Ezekiel 1:1 .......the heavens were opened and I began to see VISIONS of God.
No one can see God because He is a SPIRIT.
Jesus confirmed this at John 4:24.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12 is a timeless scientific fact and will always be. It is the TRUTH.
The Creator cannot be shaped into anything.
1 Kings 8:27 “But will God really dwell on the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!
I was stopped by 2 men who were preaching at the predominantly hindu community. And he kept saying that Jesus is not God. And you all worship him... I asked him what religion he was from and he said jehovah's witness. Sir, I wish I had the knowledge that you had so that i can teach him about the trinity.
Ask the spirit of God to teach you and read the Bible. Gods wants you to know all his truth and secretes.
@@GameCreatorOfGodAmen
@@GameCreatorOfGod
AMEN
@@GameCreatorOfGodThere are no secrets you gnostic heretic.
@@GameCreatorOfGodBut wait. Don’t do all protestants do this and come to different interpretations!?! That “holy spirit” is very schizophrenic!!
This how I wish all would discuss the Lord. There may be disagreements but going to the Word to find.
Yes
GOD HAVE CREATED Pastor Sam with an amazing intelligence TO GLORIFY HIS GLORIOUS NAME BY HIS MOST HIGH SPIRIT, PRAISED BE OUR ALMIGHTY GOD'S NAME NOW AND FOREVER MORE ✝️ 👑 🕊 🙏 🙌 ❤️. I love this man og GOD, age wise he is much younger than me and a son to me ❤but spiritual wise superior.
May God keep you healthy and well, Sam to teach us even Christians ✝️ we are learning every day to be strong in the Lord ❤❤
He admitted Jesus was that God of Israel in Exodus. It should have been game over right there. Then he just kept dancing around in denial.
I should know. I grew up a JW. I’ve been there.
GOD uses SINGULAR PROSOPO for himself and that Greek word means FACE OR PERSON. it is NOT PLURAL PROSOPO. So GOD is SINGULAR PERSON and NOT THREE PERSONS. You don't use I AM, ME AND MYSELF for THREE LITERAL PERSONS
@@Mr.DC3.1914wrong You INComplete Heretic
@@GiovieAguilos You are sTILL REJECTING GOD when He uses SINGULAR PROSOPO for himself, and prosopo means FACE OR PERSON, SINGULAR PERSON and NOT PLURAL persons
No JW would claim that Jesus was the God anywhere. This video was a staged performance. Neither did God speak at anytime to anyone. Hebrews 1:1.
Jesus is not creator father is created
Thanks so much from the bottom of my heart for all your explanations Sam. Thank you brother for your devotion and courage
God bell you
Brother Sam , keep up the good work✝️✝️✝️
I prefer calm sam. Jesus is God 🙏🏼
Muslims can be very rude, I’ve debated a few and they were hostile and then there I understood why Sam takes control,
I'm learning so much from you thank you ✝️🙏👏
Thank God for you Sam I am personality proud of you keep on exposing lies and snachining people from the hands of satan and the God of heaven will raward you aboundantl, in Jesus name Amen.
I don't know how you got in my feed but this is the second time I've tuned in... And I'm 76 and I've never heard anybody argue in such a way that makes things so plain and clear as opposed to convuluted mental machinations just mucking up the waters... I FOUND MYSELF TAKING a DEEP SIGH OF RELIEF...IT MAKES ME FEEL LOVED...THANK YOU 🙋🌹GA USA 🇺🇸✌️
Creation was spoken into existence, and Jesus is THE WORD!
Creation is the bringing into existence of Jesus in his former state, the beginning of creation.
Psalms 8:6 You gave him dominion over the WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
You have put everything under his feet:
A lot of work went into creation. The preparation of the earth alone for human habitation took thousands of years.
The Word of God is fully One with God Himself. How anyone could think that the Word (Spoken Spirit) is separate from God is illogically deceived.
@@Rapturo_to_YESHUA : The word of God is what WORDS God speaks THROUGH human intermediaries. See Hebrews 1:1.
The Bible is the WORD of God.
Jesus is NOT called the Word of God. Jesus is called THE WORD. Which tells us that Jesus in his angel form, acted as God's spokesperson among the angels.
@@Rapturo_to_YESHUA Jesus is one with God, he is however an entirely separate entity to God.
fantastic job putting the references on screen so that I could take notes.
Jesus said anyone who sees me sees the Father 😍
It's hard for us to understand The divinity of God, and who's God only Jesus can explain it to us.
That is one of the purposes God sent Jesus.
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.
Jesus being an angel, who has a close relationship with his Creator, was in the best position to explain who God is to us.
Jesus reflected God's personality to the best extent possible.
That is why when some Apostles wanted Jesus to show God to them, Jesus said:
John 14:Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I DO NOT SPEAK OF MY OWN ORIGINALITY, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.
@@jimjuri6490 You're missing the other point of Jesus being part man, and man is not God. Jesus spoke in different ways at different times concerning His Deity (in the Holy Spirit of God, at conception), and as a man, which is what formed *with* the Holy Spirit (God) in the womb of Mary. Jesus, the Son of God, is God Himself, and Jesus *the Son of Man* is human, not God. So it depends on how you look at it. An "angel" is simply a messenger. God can be that messenger. Look at Exodus 3:2-4 and see that THE Angel of the LORD was in the *midst* of the bush, and then it goes onto say that GOD was in the *midst* of the bush! :) That means the Angel (Messenger) of the LORD was God Himself. I believe that Angel (Messenger) was Jesus (THEE Word of God -> Word -> Verbal Message, and remember: Angel = MESSANGER) coming in visual form, before coming in the flesh. Now take note: God Himself said to Moses to take off his shoes, for he is on holy ground. Now go to Joshua 5:13-15. See Joshua saw a man with a sword in his hand. This man was the commander of the LORDS army. Joshua fell down and worshiped him. Then this commander said the same to Joshua that God said to Moses. To take off your shoes for this is holy ground. Very interesting, right? :) Jesus, the Word (Spoken Spirit) of God, is Gods Message (Angel) to us. He then came in flesh at conception in Mary's womb and then died for our sins as the perfect sacrifice, to wash us clean wholly forever. Jesus is the Holy Spirit Spoken Word of God. The flesh from Mary's genes that God formed around was not God. There is a difference that I think many miss here.
@jimjuri6490 The word union is added to your bible. Go read the greek original version there. "I am in the father, and the father is in me. The words I speek to you are not mine, but the father that dwells in me." He literally is saying his spirit is God spirit, because the father dwells (lives) in him.
@@AxhenioShkurti :How can' I am IN the Father and the Father is IN me' taken literally make sense?
Jesus clearly states that what he speaks were NOT HIS OWN WORDS.
(Hebrews 1:2) Now at the end of these days 'God' has spoken to us BY MEANS OF A SON,
So, whose words were Jesus speaking? It was God's.
Jesus was a PROPHET of God. Prophets speak what God wants them to speak.
Please read the rest of Hebrews 1:2 which I have not quoted, and let me know if Jesus could have been God.
@@jimjuri6490 stop using your copy pasta shit, that all you JWs use to destroy the meaning of the scriptures. take a bible (not your nwt bible) and read the full gospel 4 gospels and see if jesus claimed or not that he is God. /// He literally said the Father that dwells in me. Here is the meaning of the word dwells just in case you dont know : verb dwells (third person present)
live in or at a specified place /// Read the Bible stop hearing the pharisees of the governing body. Hell is real. jesus was crucified on a cross. He is not an angel. And he is God the Almighty in human flesh.
Christ is King,every knee shall bow!
“Whoever believes in him,shall not perish,but shall have eternal life “
One of the easiest paths to Christ being God is when Yahweh appears to Abraham physically to announce the impending destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah
YHVH did not reveal himself directly to Moses or Abraham this false teaching makes the New Testament a lie when It teaches no man has seen God nor heard the voice of God. Those who alter this Truth are confused of the way at the foundation.
Your right, no one has seen the Father, Son, and Spirit at the same time. At Christs baptism, the Son is baptized, the Spirit descended as a dove and the Father spoke. You actually proved my point. The Yahweh that appears to Abraham is not the full glory of the triune God but is one of the three appearing as a man. Again I ask, who is this one that is called Yahweh that appeared to Abraham? The story is explicit in nature.
@@christopherchmiel7872 YHVH did not reveal himself to anyone no man has seen YHVH or heard his voice. What you fail to understand is Who the Angel of the Lord is and who are his messengers. There is Only One God YHVH and He now with Him Has His Exalted Human Son Whom over came sin and fulfilled His God and Father's will the Only True God. This Man you reject and so many others don't understand you're rejecting the Son of God and you will not have him or His God and Father because you've rejected the Son of God before man. You belive God came in the flesh and this misunderstanding leads to the complete destruction of the gospel as The Most High YHVH cannot die so God in your view is a liar and deciver and His Son Jesus a liar as well. If you want to do that that's your choice but you've been given knowledge of your error and won't be destroyed for a lack of it. In all accounts the Angel of the Lord is who is seen and speaking and is why we are told the Angels of the Lord are ministers of Fire which shows the bush on fire was an angel of the Lord speaking as Gods servant and agent. Those who don't understand these mysteries should not be trying to teach we who God has given to teach are held to a greater condemnation as the scripture teaches.
@@christopherchmiel7872 Also The Baptism of Jesus was a vision seen only by John as a sign for the promised Messiah and future King of God's eternal Kingdom.
John saw and heard in whatever manner you’d like to interpret just like Abraham talked and ate with Yahweh. Was Abraham having a vision?
Its easier to deceive a person that to get them to admit they have been deceived. Pray for him, we all rely on the same grace.
Sounds a strange comment if directed at JWs.
If someone can be made to believe that the Creator of this Universe changed into a human, got abused and killed, wouldn't it be self deception at an extreme point?
Remember many JWs once were deceived by such stuff as they were once members of churches. What set them free? John 8:32.
Bro. Sam Shamoun, thank you for this discourse.
In a nutshell, the Trinity just makes sense based on the actual reading of the scriptures. If you disagree, then you open up contradictions between the New and old testament and you call God a liar. Simple. Praise God 🙌
Only if God is capable of lying then the Trinity makes sense...
@@mrtheology2069 Did God create the heavens and the earth all by himself with no help like he declares in Isaiah 44:24 or did he have help from Jesus in 1Cor 8:6?
I'll wait 🥱
@@Gspec5 you still didn't address the statement I made... is God capable of lying????... if he were then the trinity would make sense... yet the Bible explicitly states that it is impossible for God to lie....
Did I ask you to try and explain the Trinity??? No I did not...
Show me where it is possible for God to lie.... Based upon actually reading scripture, it is impossible for God to lie....
Your problem is that you cannot prove Jesus is God or God is Jesus without invalidating scripture.... no one can...
What you are doing is obfuscating...
The statement I made had to do with God being able to lie, not about the Trinity and not about Jesus being God....
Is God capable of lying?
@@mrtheology2069 God is not capable of lying. So that means we have to take him at his word, because his word is true and doesn't change meaning conveniently like man changes his words. Simple answer!
So I'll re-state my question in a simple format so you have no excuse.
👉Did God lie in Isaiah 44:24 when he said that he made all things by himself alone...
👉Or Did God lie in 1 Cor 8:6 when he said that all things were made through Jesus.
Simple - No fluff - what say you?
@@Gspec5 I will do you one better...
The deity of Christ means that he is God Himself... so God lied when he said that he did not come down from heaven to do His own will.... Remember the Will of Christ is to do the will of God...
Well for one, God never said he made all things through Christ, but Paul did... So did Paul lie in Corinthians or did God lie in Isaiah....
Cheers to the coffee brother Sam...I guess it's early morning there...may God give you good health...love u bro❤
Peace be with brother Sam.
As a older Christian I am perplexed as to why so many people do not understand:
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Luke 7:2
And a certain centurion's servant, who was dear unto him, was sick, and ready to die. 3And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant. 4And when they came to Jesus, they besought him instantly, saying, That he was worthy for whom he should do this: 5For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue. 6Then Jesus went with them. And when he was now not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying unto him, Lord, trouble not thyself: for I am not worthy that thou shouldest enter under my roof: 7Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed. 8For I also am a man set under authority, having under me soldiers, and I say unto one, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 9When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 10And they that were sent, returning to the house, found the servant whole that had been sick.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Yeshua HaMaschiach/ Jesus Christ is the WORD of the GOD Most High made flesh and is full of grace and truth and glory begotten of the Father.
To anyone who is not - please, get saved and fear no evil. Halleluyah.
First of all I would like to say that I truly love listening to your channel, you are helping me learn about the Scriptures so much better than on my own, thank you. I have been a Christian most of my life but not a very good one
One like our father likes to say a Luke warmer. Well I don't want to be anything near that. I do listen to a few different pastors on my he to work every day but I found your way of teaching refreshing. 2nd, I drink from the very same coffee mug every day, never seen another until yours. Had to say. But I do want to wish you many blessing and I am now praying for the people that are calling in to the program. God bless you and your family and coworkers who help get this off and going. Thank you.
every time sam read it in context “yes but only as a representation” 😂
Great job done❤❤❤
A great civil discussion; educational and enjoyable listen.
Sam, you are amazing! I know you will say the Holy Spirit within you is the amazing one! Of course you are right! God be praised for the wisdom He imparts to you everyday. I must admit I am somewhat envious of so much knowledge but at the same time I do not have the fortitude to endure the disrespect that you must encounter from the people you are debating. God bless you! You have answered many questions for me and in doing so have strengthened my faith.
Lets pray for this man
Because non of us deserve the grace of our LORD and KING and GOD JESUS CHRIST !
And still he has allowed me to know him!
Glory be to JESUS for ever same as the FATHER and the HOLLY SPIRT !!!
he's one of you, a witness would never agree to being taped
@@crazyhope9516 i think i get what you are saying?
A JW's member would not agree to be recorded.
It is generally true, but that is if he has been indoctrinated to the full extent of beliving blindly in their doctrine.
This man does not know where he is at he is a confused and lost man wanting to be right.
@@danielcarranza1957
We come to a home, or a call we are prepared. Also, we would know the Methods of a person like Sam. We would watch all his videos and then prepare for his arrows
Blindly following, here what Jesus said at Matthew 7;21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
All those years calling Jesus Jehovah, only to be told to, get away.
But Hey
Got a question, want the bible answer ASK
@@crazyhope9516 It is people who reject the divinity of Jesus whom He will reject
@@RuggedCross1 And those who sin against the Holy Spirit.
Finally.... one how gets it.
Great teaching Sam I will use this knowledge and teach others, to all the glory goes to Jesus Christ ❤✝️
Muslims will laugh as should anyone else.
The God who created this unimaginable universe ran and hid from the Jews? John 8:59.
Just to help think rationally. No sarcasm intended.
1. Opening texts fire:
- Hebrews 1:1-3
- Psalm 89:5-8
- Psalm 86:8-10
- Hebrews 1:6
- Deut. 32:43
People really have a hard time understanding Trinity because in our reality this fallen state and fallen world in a body doomed for death and darkness we cannot comprehend the glory of God. No one will understand this from the flesh side one must surrender in faith to Jesus being God first then the truth will be revealed. It is by faith alone that's why Jesus always says do you believe?
No they are not getting it because they are loyal to their group. That's why they read plain text and instantly massage the meaning, stretch, or change the meaning. Rather than answer the question presented they move to something else, ask another question. They play a game of avoidance, cat and mouse.
They run away from plain text. That's not it's too hard to understanding. That's I don't want to lose the debate. I don't want to be wrong. I've been believing a lie. He came to the show to win an argument, not the he was sincerely seeking understanding. As my understanding grew I surrendered what I formerly thought. I wasn't trying to be
loyal to a group or an Idea.
If most of us mortsls can't understand Quantum Mechanics, Shroedinger's equation the Theory of Relativity etc, how can we with our limited knowledge and intelligence understand the Trinity.
Wouldn't that be what is called a Blind Faith?
Jesus knew whom he worshiped. Read his words at John 4:22.
Firstborn or First created?
Colossians 1:15 - ‘the firstborn (Greek: prototokos 4416) of every creature’.
JWs use this verse to teach that Jesus was created at a point in time as an angel.
They ignore the evidence and insist that the word ‘firstborn’ here means ‘first created’, ‘the eldest in Jehovah’s family of sons’.
The Bible teaching:
1) ‘Firstborn’ (Greek: prototokos) does NOT mean ‘first-created’ (Greek: protoktisis). First-created (Protoktisis) is never used of Christ in the New Testament.
Question:Where is it used of Jesus in New Testament?
Question: Why didn’t Paul use the term ‘first-created’ (protoktisis) in Colossians 1:15 if he meant that Christ was the first one created by Jehovah?
2) Ask: What does ‘firstborn’ (Greek: prototokos 4416) mean?
Answer: ‘Pre-eminent, Ruler, Sovereign, First in rank’.
It is used in other passages which refer to Christ:
i. Romans 8:29 ‘that he might be the firstborn among many brethren’. ‘Prototokos’ presents Christ as the pre-eminent member of the group (S. Zodhiates NT, p 1249).
ii. Colossians 1:15. ‘The firstborn of every creature’ Christ is the one pre-eminent and supreme ruler over all creation (S Zodhiates NT, p 1250). v.16 ‘By him were all things created’ means that Christ Himself is not part of Creation (John 1:3).
iii. Colossians 1:18 ‘He (Christ) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning (arche), the firstborn (prototokos=Ruler) from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence (proteuon)’.
‘Arche’ means ‘first cause’ (Revelation 3:14, Colossians 1:18) and is parallel to ‘prototokos’ in Colossians 1:15,18, both asserting Christ’s pre-eminence.
Note: ‘Proteuon’ (pre-eminence) present tense is used only in Colossians 1:18 and indicates not an acquired right to be ruler and pre-eminent, but an inherent right by virtue of His nature. Christ, being the Creator, deserves to have pre-eminence.
iv. Hebrews 1:6 ‘And again, when he bringeth the firstbegotten (prototokos=Ruler) into the world, he saith ‘And let all the angels of God worship Him’.
Alternately, translate this as ‘And when He again brings the firstborn into the
world’, refers to Christ’s second coming when Christ as King will be worshipped by the angels. Christ is exalted even above all the angels.
v. Revelation 1:5 ‘And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the
firstbegotten (prototokos=Ruler) of the dead, and the prince (arche = chief) of the kings of the earth.’ Here ‘prototokos’ means that Christ is first of those to be resurrected, and prince (arche) means ruler of earth’s kings at His second coming.
Note: JWs compare Christ as the firstborn of all creation with the firstborn son of Pharaoh. This is nonsensical, because it is true that Pharaoh parented his son, but it is not true that ‘all creation’ parented Jesus.
3) We must understand what the original speaker or writer intended by the words which he used. The ancient Hebrews used the term ‘firstborn son’ when referring to the preeminent son, regardless of whether or not he was the first son born to the parents. The son with the title ‘firstborn’ had the right of primogeniture which meant that:
i) He acquired a special blessing (Genesis 27);
ii) He became heir of a double share of the father’s wealth (Deuteronomy 21:17);
iii) He replaced his father as the family head. He had authority over his brothers;
iv) He represented the father in civil and religious matters;
v) He had some holiness because through him flowed the common blood of the tribe (Genesis 49:3; Deuteronomy 21:17).
Key: The term ‘firstborn’ does not refer to the first one born, but to the pre-eminent one in the family. Consider these examples where the son with the title ‘firstborn’ was not born first:
(1) David was the last born son of Jesse, yet Psalm 89:27 says of him: ‘Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth’. (v.20 onwards refers to David).
(2) Ephraim was the second born son of Joseph: ‘The name of the second called he Ephraim.’ (Genesis 41:50-52). Yet ‘Ephraim is my firstborn’ (Jeremiah 31:9). This was because of his pre-eminent position. Manasseh was born first to Joseph, but Ephraim became the firstborn because of his pre-eminence.
(3) Jacob (Israel) was the second son born to Isaac, after Esau, yet God says of Israel, ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22). Esau says of himself, ‘I am Esau thy firstborn’. (Genesis 27:19). Esau means that he was born first and should have the birthright. God means that Israel, though born second, took the pre-eminent position. Hence, in this sense Christ is firstborn because of His pre-eminence, not because He was created first as JWs think.
(4) Solomon was born to David later, and the line of the kings came through Solomon,yet Amnon was born first (I Chronicles 3:2).
(5) Isaac was born 13 years after Ishmael, yet Isaac took the pre-eminent position in the family.(Genesis 17:19).
(6) Judah was the fourth son born to Jacob (Genesis 29:35), yet Judah received the dominion and line of Christ, even though Reuben being born first forfeited his right of primogeniture due to fornication (Genesis 49:3,4)
4) Firstborn can be rendered metaphorically, not meaning born first.
Examples include:
i) Job 18:13 ‘the firstborn of death shall devour his strength’. As the firstborn son held the chief place, so Job refers to the chiefest (most deadly) disease that death possessed;
ii) Isaiah 14:30 ‘The firstborn of the poor shall feed’, means the poorest of the poor.
Conclusion: Firstborn does not mean born first or created first. Rather, it is a title of first rank, or pre-eminent position. Paul calls Christ the firstborn (prototokos = Ruler).
Ask: What does Psalm 89:27 mean by calling David firstborn, when he was the last born son?
Ask: Why didn’t Paul use ‘first created’ (protoktisis) of Christ in Colossians 1:15 if he intended to teach that Christ was the first one created by Jehovah?
Such a long comment to find an excuse to avoid believing what Firstborn means even though the context is given (ref Col 1:15)..
Check any dictionary. Firstborn means FIRST to be brought into EXISTENCE among many. There is no other meaning.
When has God ever been called a Firstborn? Or even an only begotten son?
Proverbs 8:22 CEB
The Lord created me at the beginning of his way, before his deeds long in the past.
That is how Jesus (the Word) came to be WITH God at the BEGINNING. John 1:1.
Any FIRSTBORN will logically be WITH his parents before the others come into existence. Think!
@@jimjuri6490 Not at all. The word that was translated into english for "firstborn" when referring to Jesus does NOT mean "first created". That is a completely DIFFERENT word that is never used of Jesus.
@@calvaryapologetics : There is ONLY ONE meaning for the term FIRSTBORN.
It is being brought into EXISTENCE either by creation or procreation FIRST in a line. Check any dictionary.
Luke 2:7 And 'Mary' gave birth to her son (ie. Jesus), THE FIRSTBORN...
Mary had other children AFTER Jesus.
When Jesus is called the FIRSTBORN and the context given, namely, 'OF ALL CREATION' (Col 1:15), it means that among the sons of God who were created by Jehovah God. Jesus was the FIRST.
Proverbs 8:22 CEB
The Lord created me at the beginning of his way, before his deeds long in the past.
That is how Jesus as the Word came to be WITH his Creator when time began. 'IN THE BEGINNING' John 1:1.
Ever thought how God could be called a Firstborn? Or for that matter, 'Only Begotten Son'?
These are terms that a created being can have. Not the Creator.
@@jimjuri6490 Again, the word translated into English as "firstborn" does not mean "first created". ‘Firstborn’ (Greek: prototokos) does NOT mean ‘first-created’ (Greek: protoktisis). First-created (Protoktisis) is never used of Christ in the New Testament.
@@calvaryapologetics : How does the word Firstborn apply to God if not to a created being. Explain please.
Sam this way ,not name calling,is the greatest way to show Christ. Thank you for I have learned so much from you. I pray for you daily my brother in Christ.
I love that you have people read it instead of you. Not only do we get the verse, but they get to read the truth and internalize it.
Nice debate without insults
Without love either. Somewhat hostile which does not glorify God
@@edwardhiggins9540lol. Correction is love
Every time they have a change of president in the organization their doctrine changes.
What President? There is no President among JWs. Their Leader is Jesus.
(Matthew 23:10) Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.
@@jimjuri6490 I'm speaking of the governing body
Which is in reality is the governing bodies (plural)
8 individuals in one body with distinct personalities and roles within the organization.
Yet Jehovah witnesses are tripping over the Trinity three in one body.
When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit encourage themselves they realize they were naked and they heard the footsteps of God walking and hid themselves that was Jesus.
Remember there are now sinners if they saw God in his full Glory they would die. That's what God hid Moses in the cliff Rock.
So he wouldn't die cuz he's a sinner like all of us.
@@user-so3dd9vm1l : Shouldn't you be taking the matter up with Jesus? It is he who appointed the Governing Body. Matthew 24:45-47.
I love your gift! I witness to Muslims every Spring. This stuff should be made into worksheets!
Thank you Sam this was amazing. I don’t understand how you can show someone their errors and they just move on to another passage. They run and truly don’t humble themselves. No matter where he ran to you defended the faith and truth.
Isnt the one Gideon ran into at Jericho Jesus? Because he let Gideon worship him. And angels, the aons of God, refuse to let anyone worship them. So Gideon spoke to the captain of the armies of the Lord. This is Jesus brothers. In the Old Testament. Praise the Lord.
How would that reconcile with Paul stating that Jesus was only used BY GOD in a speaking role in the First Century? Hebrews 1:2.
The Ex 24 :9-11 Argument is in coherent. Saying Jesus is God does nothing to solve the difficulties in reconciling this verse with John 1:18. If Jesus is God and nobody saw God then nobody saw him either including in Ex 24. If they actually saw God, then it doesn't matter if it was the son or the Father according to Trinitarian logic as they are both equally God... unless you are saying they are not and you can see one God and not the other in Ex 24.
Read the second half of John 1:18.
@@ChristOverAllJeremy Why would you think I haven't read the second half? What's your point?
True! The fact that John wrote his accounts many decades AFTER Jesus had returned to God shows that Jesus was never God.
John testifies who Jesus IS.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS the Son of God.”
@jimjuri6490 how does the timing show he isn't God?
@@Marvin-lu3hj : 'IS' is an ongoing present tense. John was writing historical details.
At least 60 or more years AFTER Jesus had come and gone. Ref John 1:34.
In John 1:1 we find the biased translations saying 'and the Word WAS God'. Which makes no sense, as WAS is a past tense.
The correct translation is:
• 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
• 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
• 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
(Just a few from a long list).
Jesus who was WITH God was himself a god. Meaning a mighty being. An angel.
This angel became flesh (John 1:14). Thus, the past tense 'WAS' becomes appropriate.
On earth Jesus was NOT an angel. He was just a man. God had transformed his spirit form into a human form.
Remember that chosen humans will be transformed into spirit beings (Philippians 3:20,21). Jesus was the other way round (See Philippians 2:7).
(Acts 2:22) “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ was A MAN.... (Peter speaking).
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Great seeing Sam practicing self control. He is a pleasure to listen to when like this.
Nailed Gnosticism, loved your careful use of context
Hi Sam can you do one on the Pentecostal church and their beliefs. Thank you Sam
You really see a pattern with JWs, its slipping in slight inversions of the text. When the bible says Christ created all creations, JWs say "yes all other creations". If a early church father says there is no God over the Father of Jesus Christ, JWs say "Yes the Father is god over Jesus Christ" if Christians affirm that heaven and earth were made by Jesus, JWs say "Yes heaven and earth were created through Jesus".
Hebrews 1:8 KJV
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Brilliant
I enjoyed this episode.
The JW, like all of them will reject the truth. When you beat them at any point in a discussion they will change the topic and proceed to another topic.
That's their style.
thank you
Sam, I can only praise GOD for your teachings.
9:43 "Are you a Maverick." Looooooool
Is there spanish translations of all Sam Debates? Please tell me YES
After going to churches for 45 years I went to this one black holy roller church I got filled with the real Holy Ghost speaking in tongues exactly like what happened to the apostles. It happened in a split second. My whole thought process changed instantly. I have the mind of God in me now. And power comes with it. I have prayed a seen body injuries healed instantly on my construction job. I have supernatural peace even in the time of trouble and believe me when you follow God with all your heart you get trouble but God Jesus is a very present help in the time of trouble. I have never lacked. In mornings I read the Bible until I feel that spirit of God awaken in me and I feel him off and on during the day. "Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and ALL the other things shall be added unto you". Any person who repents can receive the spirit of God just like in the book of Acts. You just ask Jesus. It is an awesome life when you feel his supernatural spirit around you in the day. You don't even have to carry a gun because God is your shield and protector. "If God is for you who can be against you?"
Can someone interpret what you're saying when you speak in tongues and what language was it and was it a language that you never learned
Why oh why do Muslims and witnesses even try to debate with Sam?
Don't they know by now to avoid him?
That's just crazy
Your patience is amazing! Every utterance that came from his mouth, you disproved using his own corrupted bible! Over and over again! Yet he still ignored the Truth you showed, and tried to run to something else! Then, after you destroyed everything he brought to you, he said "Well, there is that ONE thing, but what about this? " I was like Ray Charles can see you refuted multiple points he brought up, with his bible, and he instantly forgot or chose to ignore them all! They are so blind, and so deceived, but I see you talking and teaching with patience and love! God bless you Brother!
This is a very good conversation. Unfortunately to have discussions with Jehovah's witnesses we need to be very patient with them because they are so indoctrinated in a crafty way but by men with no understanding
May God continue to bless Sam. He is a great apologist of the Holy Bible.
Where we can see that reference? thx.
JW.org
This is the purpose of the technology , for the glory of God.
Real question! As Christian, there are lots of denominations that pray to God the Father in Jesus name. Based on how Jesus showed us how to pray. My question is, where do I find the verse where it is said to pray directly to Jesus? God bless you!
The High Priestly prayer.
God by himself, bore our sins, through is own blood on the cross. Only God has what is takes to bear our sins
Is it just me or at 7:50ish is there a female's voice you can barely hear it. Something about god???
Jehovah Junior! = Angel of God in the Old Testament
Jehovah Senior no body has ever seen
But His Son has demonstrated Him to us.
Sam , I so love watching you pull apart jw's as they are so arrogant in their beliefs ❤
Awsum work brother 🙂💪
I cant understand why a religion like JW will argue with what the Bible says in very clear words...They try to come up with reasons to justify why their beliefs are different and argue with us because we interpret the Bible by reading what it actually says...We just want everyone to go to Heaven...We Love everyone
It is nothing wrong with wanting everyone to go in heavens, but that is not what the Bible is teaching us my friend.The real purpose of the Bible is that as humans how we can live here on this Earth for ever, in peace and security, without suffering, without getting old, even without dying.Because this was JEHOVAH'S purpose for mankind from from the beginning.Ask yourself what would have happened if Adam and Eve didn't sinn, simply they would have lived for ever on this Earth and all mankind as a result of that, but unfortunately our first parents sinned against their God JEHOVAH and as a result of that we are all sinners and for that reason we are dying.But our loving God JEHOVAH didn't live this case to go for ever.For that reason he provided the reedimer of this sinful world, namely his onlybegotten Son JESUS CHRIST, so that if we put faith in him we might not be destroyed but have everlasting life, here on this Earth and for some in heavens.So notice here for some in heavens 144000 people chosen from all the nations, called the little flock, with purpose to become Kings and Priests in heavens with JESUS being their King.These are the ones that will form a Kingdom or Government that will rule the people on this Earth, that will survive the Armageddon and l
Sam explains it so well, in a concise and patient explanatory manner.
This other dude is starting to annoy me a little with his refusal.
Sam, you are a sword cutting through butter.🏆
Very good debate respectful keep it up like that Cp the truth will reveal soon can you debate about other things as well not to stuck in trinity only please there is a lots of things to debate thanks
How on earth are JWs able to have a personal relationship with Jesus ?
they don't. that's the short answer.
I've rarely seen such a one-sided debate. I really felt sorry for the JW
yea he was not a JW we don't consent to being taped a true JW would a exited the call. Also a real JW would be prepared and would have watched his vids gotten an understanding of his methods and never just let him go over the place and not centered him on the scriptures. his babbling about the foundation, tell be what is a foundation? its a start on that foundation the OT is build the NT. You lay a foundation are the wall the same the windows the roof. whats in the house
Does this Sam talk the about the love of God or is mostly all about 3in1 gods. does he pray for even his enemies? This is no teacher.
@@crazyhope9516 JWs don't have the accurate Greek new testament scriptures so they don't qualify to have an opinion on correct doctrine. Just read their Kingdom interlinear and you'll see how they butcher the Greek. It's embarrassing 😔
@@crazyhope9516 JWs don't have the accurate Greek new testament scriptures so YOU don't qualify to have an opinion on correct doctrine. Just read their Kingdom interlinear and you'll see how they butcher the Greek. It's embarrassing 😔
@crazyhope9516 JWs don't have the accurate Greek new testament scriptures so they don't qualify to have an opinion on correct doctrine. Just read their Kingdom interlinear and you'll see how they butcher the Greek. It's embarrassing 😔
Hello sam God bless you for teaching the real word of God. I have a question that iv asked to many christians but still confused are we to honor the sabbath day saturday it is in the commandment
8:00 doesn't say worship in the kjv 1611...it was added later just for that doctrine...
45 years a JW before I found the real Jesus who’s not an angel. Hope this JW does the same.
Every day millions of people are leaving their religion and converting to Islam.
Wait did sam say Jesus is the architect angel Michael??
I love listening to San but in Hebrews 1;5 it says He God never called an angel his son. Right?
He is saying that JW’s believe that. He’s pointing out the contradiction that God shares his glory with no creature, but JW’s think Jesus is a creature (Michael the angel)
@tmaca6980 oh, got it. Thank you.
When the scriptures say that No man has seen God at any time is talking about non believers.. The scriptures show us that there have been holy men that have seen God.
No, it’s talking about the Father. No man will ever see the Father, except through Christ.
Wow. This conversation really illustrates the level of deception ( willing ) in the mind of the witness. Despite the explicit scripture in Exodus regarding "seeing the God of Israel", the JW's response is "they saw the representation of the God of Israel". That's off the charts.
JWs believe the Bible.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12, obviously means that God has NEVER been SEEN by humans.
If someone comes out with some theory that God was seen. Whom should we believe? That someone or God, who inspired the scriptures?
@@jimjuri6490 9Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel went up, 10and they saw the God of Israel. There was under his feet as it were a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness. 11And he did not lay his hand on the chief men of the people of Israel; they beheld God, and ate and drank.
Who was seen in this verse and by whom?
@@chrispyp2331 : If John clearly states that God has NEVER been seen by humans, then whom did Moses and others see?
Exodus 24:9 And Moses and Aaron, Naʹdab and A·biʹhu and seventy of the older men of Israel proceeded to go up, 10 and they got to see the God of Israel. And under his feet there was what seemed like a work of sapphire flagstones and like the very heavens for purity. 11 And he did not put out his hand against the distinguished men of the sons of Israel, but THEY GOT A VISION of the [true] God and ate and drank.
AMP, AMPC 'the manifestation of the presence of'.
Note that God is said to have FEET. Plus elements found ON EARTH are associated with the feet. Obviously it cannot be real.
If God were to approach this earth, we won't be having this conversation. It would be far far worse than our sun engulfing this earth.
(Exodus 33:20) But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
(God speaking to Moses through an angel)
@@chrispyp2331they cannot admit the truth of the scriptures or they will leave the watchtower society.
5:38 so this verse is talking about jesus coming to earth the second time?
They took out that little s note in Heb 1:6 and replaced it with an * and they added their own note. Interesting, let me see what the Logos Software says.
I was brought up believing Jesus is God but one day while reading Matthew 16:13 when Jesus asked his disciples "Who do you say I am" my heart leapt and I saw for the first time in my heart you are God I pray his man also see in his heart that Jesus is God
And how did the apostles answer Jesus? After some guessing this person and that,
(Matthew 16:16) Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD.”
A SON of God is an ANGEL. God SENT an ANGEL.
'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...'- Hebrews 1:5,13.
Keep reading...
What where they reading from
Sam, How on earth did you get so good at what you do?
I've been looking for videos, but just noticed CZcams unsubscribed me, AGAIN.
BiBLE TRUTH
I doubt very much this is a genuine Jehovah's witness he's talking to.
Is their “Jehova” the same entity as Abba, the Father?
Wow!!! 🤯
Where does it say, in the Bible, any of them, that Jesus is the archangel Michael?
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DIA - a channel of an act and EN -instrumentality and BOTH are used for JESUS which shows Jesus was used by GOD as a channel/instrument in the act of creation
You need Jesus Christ my brother, ask Jesus to come into your Heart, are you ready to receive Jesus Christ? Invite HIM into your Heart He Loves You,❤