The Problem with MW3 Zombies - My Brutally Honest Thoughts
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- čas přidán 8. 10. 2023
- MW3 Zombies looks awful for some people, and exciting for others. Treyarch now has the impossible job of appeasing these drastically different playerbases.
Can they manage it, or is MW3 Zombies doomed to fail before it's even released?
Does it count as "Zombies" if it isn't roundbased? Debate here 👉 www.tiktok.com/@mrroflwaffles...
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When Milo pulls out the whiteboard you know it’s about to get real
Quite literally, lmao!
r we getting chaos story back?
2023 year of the whiteboard
@@bobdarrick2628yesn’t
Dam
off topic but Milo doesn't get enough credit for how well spoken and articulate he is with his words his passion towards call of duty zombies is unmatched
Ignore the bot, but yeah I agree dude. He narrows it down so well!
He really does, no shocker hers a PhD candidate. Smart guy, glad hes on our side.
He's just truly underrated!
and yet they didnt invite him to COD Next (A.KA. cod more of the same shite as last year with nothing fixed.)
@@smokedog7730 it's because the fear the truth!
I cannot stress enough how bad Activision/Treyarch need you at these community events and even as a writer for the mode. No disrespect to dalek or Noah it just feels like you’re the only one left from that group that has no problem keeping it 100% real and speaking for the community
Aaand that's why they don't want him there. Did you see Noah's reaction? Inside it seemed he was cringing at the game mode but had to stay positive to stick to his agreement between Activision/100T etc.
I think Milo is too honest and true to himself and the community to lie through his teeth about something he rightfully feels passionate about. I respect him massively for that
@@ryansilvestri7533 thats exactly why i stopped listening to NoahJ's reviews, he has an incentive to stay in the position he's in so he will never give a bad / accurate review if it means his position is on the line.
So does Lex
@@Knee18lex the goat
We *need* brutal honesty in reviews, so thank you. They almost got me when they hinted at continuing the Dark Aether storyline but then i remembered that promise being made for Vanguard. And we all saw how that turned out.
this video is EXACTLY what the zombies community needed
Could not have put it better
Yes
we need specialist weapons back
@@bobdarrick2628why ? I think that was fun for BO4 but I think it had its use I just want another RBZ map with a main EE with the 4 OG perks plus some new ones I think that could be what's in store for treyarch in 2024
yeah i want round based zombies back adn to be more like bo3, bo1, bo2 or even bo4 zombies. specialist weapons were fun and rewarding to use. they were powerful and better than field upgrades.@@garretthooks2843
My one issue with the so called 50/50 players in outbreak and round based is that Treyarch made note of that, when Outbreak was the thing being updated and round based was as dry as could be with no content. Outbreak continually received updates, so we round based players would check it out and play it, rather than the months old die maschine or firebase z at the time. There is a crossover there, and many of us round based players just played Outbreak for the newest content
That was a dark time but Maur was a great map so that was awsome. Hope we don't have that happen.
Keeping my expectations buried 6 feet underground until we see something from Black Ops 2024
Completely agree. The only reason I played outbreak was because it was new. Once the novelty wore off (very quickly) I wanted to go right back to RBZ
Also, When they had free trials for cold War, the only zombies mode available was Outbreak, that's the reason the number of Outbreak players is equal of roundbase
@YungAtz ironically tho it's first easter egg at least first time attempt was hard and is a really hardboss especially solo. I think it made sense tho they had came out outbreak was received well but had complaints of lack of content so they obviously had to quickly adjust. Else there new big project die. Plus we eventually got maur and some cool additions.
Dude how are you this good? As a zombies fan that started given up on zombies around BO4 and Cold War, this video is very, very well done.
Bro, as soon as I saw BO4 zombies, I knew the zombies I knew and loved was going to die.
We don't know if 50% / 50% was the case since it was just something said by treyarch, not proved with specs map or something. It might be correct tho, but just at the season they observed that, because it was a new mode that everyone wanted to try and that was almost mandatory if you wanted to do the camo grind quickly. What I see, not just asking my friends but in every single twitter / reddit poll out there saying round based zombies vs outbreak, is that the 1st one wins by a lot. For me it's kind of obvious why: one is just the warzone map with zombies and some objectives from spec ops, the other one is handcrafted maps with EE, protagonist interacting, etc.
Milo, I’ve been watching you since the days of bo2 zombies, it is amazing to see you still uploading all these years later, you will always have a fan in me, much love Big Waffle
Same, I started watching a little earlier than that it was in black ops 1 days and Yoteslaya gave him a shoutout
Same
@@Milla4life2RIP Yoteslaya 🙏
I miss watching Brian, Meatwagon22 and Gunns4Hire play together, man those were the days. Some of the WaW custom zombies maps were so good.@@johnwayne7201
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Yes, when they said "we would have pack a punch for veteran players" I was like, yep, they definitely think that we are stupid.
When I saw that it actually made me laugh.
They aren't making zombies with us in mind, at the same time saying that is really disrespectful to us
I mean, when looking at this community, I'm not necessarily surprised...
yeah, and it's this "they think we are stupid" type of communication from them that totally burns the bridge and makes it infinitely harder for actual veteran players to get excited for the mode. it's such a shame because it's so avoidable
@@MrRoflWafflesit's not all that easily avoidable though. It would be if it was just in how they described what they make, but them saying pack a punch exists for veteran players isn't them just misspeaking that they think we're stupid. That's actually just the best they could even come up with.
If they change how they talk about it the content itself will still tell veteran players that they're seen as stupid.
Playing Der Riese always makes me think of winter, a blanket on the couch, cold outside, warm inside. Excited to come home from work, turn the fire on, take a shower, get on the couch and hit those high rounds. That’s the feeling I want from cod zombies. Zombies was a simple formula, just being fun was enough. Transit was open world enough for zombie fans
Boring
Facts bruh
I enjoyed outbreak and more cq rb maps. I do like tranzit, it got dragged down by the system limitations so the fog denizens and lava were added which really dragged it down.
Origins for me.
@@anarche4900you sound like the kind of idiot politicians pander to…
It’s been really nice seeing Milo consistently acknowledging that there’s not just one type of zombie enjoyer, and that we shouldn’t shame each other for having different opinions
On one hand it makes sense to have the best possible version of the game mode you enjoy the most, on the other people to enjoyed objective based zombies are insane, clinically, their disorder must be studied
Agreed. I’ve considered myself a round based fan for the last decade or so, but I got plenty of enjoyment out of outbreak and think it is a valid way to play zombies
Doesn’t make mwz any less disappointing though
As a hardcore zombies player since World at War. I loved Outbreak. It was something new and fresh. The thing that ticks me off is how easy games have been made these last couple of years. I remember when games actually challenged you. When you absolutely cheered after you finally got that weapon or finished that quest or finished an easter egg then got a cool cutscene. But everything is DLCs or easy content now. Im a firm believer in earning rather than just getting. Food for thought.
Stupid take
True although I do like the changes they made to make things easier, like ammo boxes and stuff but they should still be challenging tho
Totally agree with the love for outbreak too. I think having a hard and easier way to play would be ideal overall. I love the rampage inducer.
I kinda miss the rarity of wonder weapons too. Something about pulling it out of the Mystery Box at random feels so satisfying than just building it.
Real talk
Milo I just wanna thank you for being one of our voices in this community. A lot of us in the community have not been happy with the current state of zombies and we appreciate someone with a larger platform speaking a lot of these concerns for us
This is honestly the best introspective look at the Zombies Community in a video I have ever seen. Milo literally breaks down and explains how it all works in tandem rather than one piece in a vacuum, which is literally not possible. I would even argue that this is a glimpse as to the inner workings of the gaming industry from the perspective of the companies. With how it affects the consumers (us/people who enjoy the content of the games) and he is absolutely right with his point on how people have been affected by this situation. This is an amazing video, Milo!
Funny how the one who wasn't invited to go to the events for this game has the most insight on the mode. Love this video style Mr. Rofl. Always the depth I require
Thats why he wasn't invited, because he has an opinion that Craptivision did not like
Hey milo, I’ve been watching you since I was a kid, you’ve been a huge part of some of the best memories of my childhood, thank you for doing what you do man, you’re the best and your voice brings my soul a certain kind of peace , cheers m8!
appreciate you ethan 🙌🙌
Did I expect an hour long video from Milo today? no, but I'm extremely happy to see it! I share the passion you have for this franchise, much love Milo.
we need specialist weapons back. also margwa international is a great name
The glory days of Black Ops 1-3 were sooooooo amazing. I loved the EE,s and game play and I can probably speak for all the Hardcore Round Based players out there that know if it's not like old zombies... IT'S GOING TO SUCK THIS YEAR!!!
correction waw-bo2 were the glory days, bo3 was that beginning of the end.
@@VioloX747Exactly! Waw-Bo2 were the golden days of zombies. Bo3 was the downfall
@@VioloX747if it wasnt for custom zombies on pc, bo3 would be super dead
@@headphonesz6527 that's what I was talking about. BO3 made the list because of the custom maps. If gobble gums were not ever put into the game it would have been much better
@@VioloX747 correction bo3 was the best zombies of all time literally and statistically
me 10mins into this wondering why we need a full break down of the player base...
I just want some BO3/4 level depth and Easter eggs (without any dumb steps OBVIOUSLY… so don’t go cherry picking the Revelations rock step like everyone does lol)
Yeah not gonna happen lmao not even in 2024
I agree lol
For real though. I want the difficulty and game play of bo1, mixed with bo4 level Easter eggs. The only thing I would change is getting rid of the 4 perk limit of bo1 gameplay, the rest was perfect
the stupid ass blood of the dead shield step walking into the room:
@@AmyCherryLMAO like I said, no steps like that obviously lol
Milo looking like he’s finally found ever secret Easter egg possible throughout his ‘searching’! 😂
Charlie with the cigarette in the mail room
@@callenroeder3784Pepe silva
No more like he’s staying up to be relevant again😂
😂
This just over* 1 hour video nearing 100,000 views in under 24 hours is an amazing testament to the amount of people intrigued by Zombies as a core experience that Call of Duty provides. I truly hope I’m missing something, and this new iteration of zombies is good and enjoyable for me as a self proclaimed hardcore round based zombies enjoyer. I will be trying it, likely grinding camos (I also grind MP camos in COD). And I miss more than anything, zombies content focused on an active Call of Duty that’s currently in season.
Its really sad to see the Zombies community slowly diminish and be let down year after year. Its just not 2012 anymore 😥
Honestly it peaked at world at war for me, those original zombies maps (and the first one in particular) were so good. I feel like the entire game mode got way too complicated and distracted by weird lore rather than focusing on what made it so special. I missed all the games from black ops 2 to Cold War though so maybe they did something good while I wasn’t playing these games.
@@ilikeshiba arguably id say what made zombies so special were the Easter eggs themselves. Zombies definitely blew up in bo1 because of the complex secrets hidden within the maps. But yeah, I get what you're saying. I miss playing LAN zombies with my friends and all of us dying on wave 15 cause we sucked 😂 those were good times.
We weren’t expecting so much in 2012 too
We gotta remind ourselves
This is spot on. I’m a hardcore round based player and have been since bo1. The focus on outbreak is part of the reason I’ve spent so much time doing dungeons and raids in destiny 2. It’s the closest thing to a hardcore zombies experience I can find.
Thanks for the video milo! Excited to watch your content on the game
Real
Black ops 1 was the last true zombies experience.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402Mob? Origins? Bo3?
@@ImWithMeeh, mob maybe but bo3 is insanely easy and was when the microtransactions started :/
@@WhiteViporwhat is bro yappin about
You're right;
The Marketing alone shot my interest in the game mode. Black Ops 4 made me lukewarm towards Zombies and CoD as a whole, and I don't trust Treyarch enough anymore to buy a game until I know for CERTAIN the mode is good.
I'll wait for the next Black Ops game to see if we're getting Round Based zombies, but MW3 is separate and could be completely Outbreak like.
Love how you articulated this and showed everyone's sides and opinions equally. I'm definitely on the hard core round based side, not overly hyped, but I'm willing to give the mode a try even though it probably won't feel like the zombies experience I prefer (solo round based high rounds and easter eggs)
I like Outbreak's open world feel but I love the trapped feeling of being in a traditional zombies map that is just full of secrets.
Honestly speaking both modes are awesome I originally started playing zombies in waw and I have dreamed about an open world zombies
I love open world zombies
@@anarche4900 it's fun but it's not the same. Call me an oldie but I miss the old formula for zombies.
I like outbreak but it only works when there’s also round based. Can’t just have outbreak but I could definitely get by with only round based, even though I’ve probably played more outbreak than round based.
Cold War outbreak was fun but this isn’t the same thing… it’s on a 1 hour timer that ends the game so you can’t survive to a high round anymore
If we had a stand alone zombies game like we all been asking for you could do out break and round based onslaught time-based objectives I think you could do so much with a stand alone zombie game the round based you can have old style Easter eggs and different kind of maps more like Black ops 3 + Black ops 2 and older style round-based kind of maps the newer stuff could go and outbreak and onslaught and you could do grief they could bring grief back
Agreed
But black ops isn’t a stand alone zombies game so that’s where your whole logic falls apart
@@Reezy12333 he didnt say it was.......so i am not sure where you think YOUR logic is at? :D
@@sagemidget7331 he said if we had a stand alone zombies which we don’t and won’t have because that’s not how black ops work
@@Reezy12333 what? 🤣 he is hypothetically discussing zombies being a stand alone game. (Whilst also saying he wants the maps from different black ops games etc)
I don’t see what the issue is 😅
Milo, you hit it right on the head. I'm a casual player of COD. Love zombies story. Putting in only an hour or two a week. Some Easter eggs are hard for me but still love playing the game. Cold war helped me get my confidence up on zombies. I enjoy both sides. Enjoy the videos you do and keep them going!
Thanks for still doing this Milo :) your videos feel like home. Watching you everyday during work keeps me going because I'm at home all day! 🐐
That shirt is such a nice throwback! As soon as I clicked on the vid and saw the white board along with the hour-long timer, I knew what I was getting into. Had to get me some coffee for this zombies board meeting lol. 🧐👍
It is absolutely important to acknowledge that there is an entirely new group of people out there who have yet to experience the mode and should have an opportunity to be catered to, however, to completely abandon the people who basically built your entire mode up and have been loyal for over a decade now is wrong. When the new players who joined in Bo2 or Bo3 or even Bo4 joined and left, the loyal players were the one who continued to purchase the DLC and the gobblegum and keep the game relevant.
Im Curious, do you feel like they abandoned those users, or are they just waiting til' 2024 to focus on them?
@@Bugzinclots of people seem to forget that
And thats where yaal went wrong lmfao, buying gobble gum like clowns lmfao yaal are part of the reason they monetized the mode, I bet you also didn't like anything that changed the style from bo3 😂😂 the community abandoned zombies years back in bo4 when they chirped the game that was great by all means, bashing the new maps n begging n crying for remakes, they wanted to do something new n got chirped for it. Now yaal have lost ppl because we don't wanna buy remakes over n over again we want fresh content. New stories. I've been here since waw and the zombies community has never been a good community lmfao they always complain about everything and just cry cry cry for remakes, and when yaal don't like something it's always ,"I miss bo3" 😂😂 the game that legitimately started the p2w features being added to zombies. Ypu reap what you sow
From my understanding, whilst not at launch, there will be a round-based area you travel to in MWIII.
The new group can kick rocks, imo. They're already catered to in the new games.They took something cool and niche and boiled it down unrecognizable so it could cater to the lowest common denominator to turn a higher profit. No round based isn't even the biggest gripe.
As someone who despises all battle royale games because I hate permadeath mechanics when all I want to do is spawn shoot people and then respawn when I die because just playing the game is fun and I don't care if I die 37 times in an mp match. At the same time I am a CoD veteran. Been playing the game since the WaW days and although might not be the best zombies player out there I can still comfortably make it to round 30 on most maps before I start feeling pressured (My highest is somewhere in the 80s on Die Maschine trying to get the round 100 dark ops challenge). Controversially though I think Bo3 is my most disliked zombies experience because I didn't like the more lovecraftian direction the story went in. Bo1 is by far my favourite. It just feels more pure I guess is the best way I can describe it?
Advertising this mode towards hardcore round based zombies and by saying it has pack a punch, perks and a Ray gun is like advertising high end cars to car enthusiasts by saying
“It has a steering wheel, windows and 4 wheels!!!! Aren’t you excited!!!!!”
I’m in that old building player category. One of my happiest moments was completing the moon Easter egg. I can’t remember which game but I also had fond memories of the versus mode within the transit map. Friday night zombies with a friend. Oh how the time flies
I’m hardcore, but personally I like Outbreak for *different* reasons.
However if Outbreak never appeared again and we only got roundbased, I probably wouldn’t care.
I would rather treyarch put their energy into *evolving* the mode and *adding* to the mode we already had, instead of outright changing it’s identity as a whole.
No amount of Zombies assets in outbreak will make Roundbased players like it more.
And that’s just a hill I’m willing to die on.
I think Treyarch might keep zombies roundbase narrative driven game mode to black ops related games and they will try introducing this warzone zombies kind of mode to modern warfare with an alternate kind of story I believe.
how was milo not invited to cod next?
@@bobdarrick2628 British
@@Sboooose r u sure bhaisaab?
I think it's also about the goal for the day. Like we enjoy both depending on who we are running with. My nephew is 13 and we JUST this summer did AW Exo Zombies and so round based doing the Easter egg was exactly what we wanted. Then we did BO4 EE. (Thank you for those guides!!!) But when he's not with us we also love running some Outbreak
👏👏👏 how he keeps his optimism and respect towards some people is beyond me! This channel is my one and only for COD zombies! Keep up the great work Milo!
I view the round based who don’t like cold war as a bigger group than that personally
Yup, most of that group has given up on zombies though. Round based pre Cold War and after Cold War is a huge difference
Took me 20 minutes to realise this video is an hour long lmao. Milo really spoils us!
😂 same but im atm at 40minutes
As a former zombies fanatic, I can confidently say I am done playing zombies. Treyarch already made peak zombies in the black ops trilogy.
Glad you’re back on my algorithm!! Keep it up the good work. loved the hour video 🎉
Milo pulling out the whiteboard?
Well shit, it must be Christmas.
Like I remember playing Kino the first time. I literally bought the shotgun off the wall and camped behind the table next to the door that took you to jug. But since then I’ve met a lot of people and a lot of amazing memories, fact I’ve even got a channel dedicated to the game mode. So overall zombies has shaped a lot of things. I do hope that we do have round based maps again or even do what Cold War done by having the two.
cold war had 4, vanguard has two
@@informer974 he meant the two modes not 2 maps
It's in 2024 bro, don't put your zombies hope on this game MW3 cos it's not the zombies you're expecting.
Nice little bit of self-promo 😂
Love how Milo is rambling about Zombies and I’m here “I am THAT Duck”
Loved this long video a lot Milo. I'm a hardcore player but knew straight away it wasn't RBZ so just getting anything zombies to tie us over till 2024 I'm all for it. Enjoyed dmz but got sick of the cheaters constantly!
This problem of the "Attack those who Disagree problem" is not just in the zombies community. Brother it is everywhere, It is a plague that has befallen our modern life.
Nah that mindset has been around since we first evolved to understand it.
Why do people act like this mentality only exists now? Wars were fought over that mentality. The mentality you call out is called tribal mentality.
Thank you for making this but wasn't the whole thing with round based and outbreak being split in popularity just not really true at all? Wasn't that during the outbreak free weekends and wasn't outbreak being played by many to farm weapons? Wasn't the idea that outbreak was equally as popular as round based around a specific point in time rather than a general popularity over the course of Cold Wars life?
Great video dude, I'm "mid-core?" Enjoyer of both type, so I'm interested to try mwz, but I wouldn't be opposed for more round maps either
I resonated with saying that I was a hardcore RBZ enjoyer when you said that you probably looked up CZcams videos about cyphers and the lore, my favorite part as a kid was going to bed and watching lore explaining vids on all the radios and EE’s
There are alot of factors to this problem. The main one is hardcore zombie fans (like me) don’t like change. Not because of the fear of changing something that works, but the fear of changing something that will not improve upon what worked in the first place just to appease to a wider audience. Then once the company succeeds in bringing in a new (casual) audience, then said audience states that they love this new iteration of zombies without even playing or knowing what it used to be or rather what it’s supposed to be. This is where hardcore fans start getting their pitchforks. Then that spawns the fear that this new iteration of zombies will be the present and future and the hardcore audience will refuse to accept that. The company (Activision) should be at fault for changing everything into a “warzone” environment and creating such a toxic community.
as for story, the mw characters are better than the bo campaign characters. but the zombies crew (primis at least) from treyarch are the best.
That's spoken!!!
I felt that
True. I don’t mind zombies changing. But turning literally every aspect of COD into a DMZ mode or a Warzone style is just drained of imagination. Zombies deserves better than this.
He spittin I’m never I’m buying cod again (besides a bo2 remaster maybe)
This was an awesome video. I really enjoyed the laying out of everyone’s perspectives and I feel like no one else really acknowledges people outside the hardcore round based enjoyers as it were. I’m somewhere in the middle between casual and hardcore. I enjoy round based and outbreak. So I’m in the camp of seeing how it goes. I’m giving it a good shot because it looks cool. Keep being awesome, Milo.
The thing is, I played Round Based and Outbreak in Cold war but massively preferred Round based and wouldn’t have bought the game for outbreak so how much weight does that cold war stat actually hold? 🤔 Is that an even number of hours played, or just counting anyone that played it once?
Outbreak was also superior for weapon xp. They really don’t know what their data means.
in the multiplayer aspect honestly this cod looks good compared with mwii, but it's just gonna be the vanguard integration into warzone all over again. Nicki minaj + soccer players + halloween skins (evil groot gaia) running around with their 5 attachment shotgun bundles. Nah that sucks, it should've been a normal call of duty. It' shouldn't include zombies, instead it should have an alternative mode like back in the day they rotated and did e.g extinction in ghosts while treyarch developed their zombies for their turn. Nowadays they include zombies to milk the zombie playerbase since they know those players will buy it to not miss out on zombies.
I think this video really does help an old timer like me (been playing since BO1). I know there’s no round based but Treyarch treating the old school zombie players like we are idiots was irritating when they talked about common things like perks and pap. I’ll have to see more to give a better judgement toward it for the zombies.
Thanks for the video Milo, me and a friend had a discussion recently about this topic and you just perfectly and clearly described the feeling we tried to express in way more words, been following your No-nonsense guides since Bo3 and I look forward to many more.
Glad it was helpful! ❤️
It's not profitable to the company to worry about putting certain resources into player retention when they can invest in player onboarding and get more of a return. This may be what they be cashing-in on?
What a fantastic video. It's actually quite eerie how on the nose you are about my opinion on MW3 Zombies. I'm definitely in the OBR Hardcore camp (formerly RBZ Hardcore when I had more time to play).
The casual content being there is fantastic, especially if it's a quick "pick up and play" type game mode. The lack of solo zombies is a big miss. The next Treyarch game should be a mix of BOCW and BO3.
- BO3 Style Camo / Challenge Grind needed
- BO3 concurrent easter eggs/map style for a main story, OBZ should be a supplementary mode to the overall quest. Like having a Tranzit-style open world for casuals that's set in the same universe as the main RBZ easter egg-based story.
- BOCW info/intel contained within the OBZ world to encourage RBZ hardcore players to jump in every now and then
Gahh I wish I had irl friends with this much passion for games.
Side note: Please! More long form vids like this!! I really enjoyed this. Especially the crazy man on the white board. More stuff like that lol ❤
You explained everything so perfectly. This video was such a joy to watch. Hardcore round based enjoyer here, but I'm open to new experiences.
If they can extract what made round based so fun and mix even a little bit of that in with the new stuff then I could see myself coping for another year
What a well articulated video. More of the community needs to see this, it addresses how each group feels respectfully, while showing all sides.
As someone who’s been hardcore RB, and moved into the casual scene for either RB or OB, I’m just happy there’s more zombies content.
This new generation will be making the same memories with this new zombies mode, just like we were a decade ago with round based.
Zombies is a special mode. People will always cherish and defend what zombies was like *for them* when they first started. And that’s okay.
new zombies fans won’t cherish any memories on mw3 zombies guaranteed
Thank you for speaking for us Milo, I’m one of those Rbz guys who wished they had no zombies this year so that they could focus on next years zombies!
the fact that a warzone map copy and pasted is good enough for the community nowadays is exactly whats wrong with zombies
You do realise that’s basically what outbreak was going to be right? All those maps were going to be the new blackout map if blackout went through with returning but it got canned and everyone was hyped for it too
There should be criticism but people don't see that treyarch is being slaved by Activision and we are getting round based in 2024 which is why I can't undertsand why people are saltt about some filler
@@RaNgErs_RepNah it’s bs at this point. The last great zombies experience was bo4. That was 5 years ago.
@@jacobcasey5202 Cold war was good objectively it did the best since bo4. It had some good things about and some bad and they said they would take in account feedback. Like making some easter eggs harder and more complex.
@@jacobcasey5202 Also what's bs dawg they've been working on every game hut theirs.
IMO, Treyarch should just try consulting people like Milo and content creators that honestly know the game mode and what we as fans want more then them at this point
Oh wow, this youtuber consulting must be brand new /s
We should try it...
@@baseballjustin5 what bro
@real488 as in; I'm sarcastically saying this youtuber input must he brand new....
It isn't. We've had it in the past, and I'm jokingly saying that they should start doing it.
For the most part, youtubers/streamers have a good feel for what the greater world says (that watch said youtube/streams). So, Game Studios should listen to the youtubers, and other polls to get a good feel for the player-base as a whole
@@baseballjustin5 Meanwhile Milo has been basically cucked by COD :(
Not really a good idea. CZcamsrs do not represent and speak for a majority of the playerbase.
I do agree with Milo on a lot of the things he is saying.
One thing I would say from a HC RBZ player, who also enjoyed Outbreak for a more relaxed zombies experience, is that the main reason most HC RBZ players are unhappy is because in my opinion we haven’t had a really great RBZ experience since BO3. Cold War was nice but the EE were made too easy and diminished the grind and fun we had when hunting EE such as with Revelations. The second thing I would say, is that we feel let down from a story perspective, they introduced Richtofen and Sam being back in Cold War, but we have no real lead on if the story will be finished, much like the Chaos Story from BO4, we are left on a cliff hanger with no promise to get to see the end of the story, and I think most HC RBZ players truly miss the story telling and discovery we felt during BO3.
You are such a great person , much love for making this video and giving me a whole different view of Zombies and opinions of the mode , Thank you ❤️
For some reason, I think that the best zombies moment (and probably the only one that was THAT exciting) we had in the last 5 years or so, was that journal from Samatha in Cold War, talking about seeing a lost boy in her dream. Idk if anyone else remembers this, Milo made a video about it as well and it was, I think, the closest thing we 've had to the old zombies feeling, especially about the story. I remember it gave me so many goosebumps. Other than that, maybe Richthofen's final reveal in Cold War was an exciting zombies moment? But tbh, we saw that coming from a mile away. I'm pretty sure these are the only top tier zombies moments we've had in zombies in the last 5 years at least and that's.. kind of alarming.
The problem is not that there is no roundbased, it’s the lack of original zombies maps
Yes the new maps do lack diversity and I hope we see more kntresting locals. But remember when the original storyline started it was the same.
It’s about 15 zombies maps into one! Which should be even better plus it’s and extraction mode too which people will love
Holy damn you nailed it perfectly. I have know about zombies for years but didnt try it until cold war. And when i was presented the choice between stressful round base and bit more lax outbreak i chose outbreak. Then gradually i started with round base did all easters eggs(watched your guides duh) and then when forsaken came out i decided to try the previous zombs.
I appreciate what milo said about everything about CoD Zombies about what zombies means, the one thing that comes to is if milo is doing this already is how is he not working in the Treyarch Zombie Team? Milo has so many ideas for zombies and what the players wants for or in zombies. But I'm getting off topic, but I enjoyed listening to your thoughts and can't wait to hear more.
Thank you for making this video Milo. I appreciate you trying to meld this zombies Civil War in the community. I love this community and have been apart of it for 10+ years and I’d go probably into the hardcore Outbreak community by your ruling standard. Even though I’ve played and commented on round based content for years I really like the idea of Outbreak and want to see more of that.
I’m thinking the mode is actually going to be good and am giving it an 8/10 and it was honestly surprising to see you give it a 7. I saw CodeNamePizza’s early impressions of it and he gave it an 8 which was nice to see you both speaking positively about MWZ atleast early on so far.
Hopefully soon this zombies civil war can die down and we can all just enjoy what we like instead of digging into each other. Much love man ❤️
I’m in the middle of both. I like round based due to the story and the ester eggs but I also like outbreak because of the free roam and different world bosses.
I love doing the easter eggs and try and get to a high round, I like having something to work towards
How can u explain something small into something so big but still able pull off the best explaination with almost all vision/type of zombie player🤯 brilliant. Like ur vids💯
I like this sifter of nuance arc you've been on lately. Keep it up.
it has been exhausting, but I hope it at least helps clarify the conversation for some people
@@MrRoflWafflesthis was a work of art for intellectuals worried about our fav hobby
love you milo❤️ truly a gem on the interwebs
A no-nonsense guide to the state of the zombies community has definitely been something we need!
8:15 I could not agree more with this false perception you mentioned. My dad is 55 and played a ton of Outbreak. I was shocked to hear from him that, even though he'd play it for an hour or two every day, his first time finding the RAIK84 was weeks and weeks after the mode released, and he didn't even know there were other wonder weapons that you could get because he wasn't spamming the mystery box. The casual experience for zombies, or really for any game, is something that's extremely hard to picture what it's like if you're a more invested player.
I’ll be honest. Speaking from a person who grew up with BO1 & BO2 Zombies; I like round based and outbreak almost equally. The problem I’m having with MWZ is them barely listening to any quadrant you have on the board.
There are loads of great changes and additions Cold War made and it seems like Activision wants to implement the ones that will be easier to monetize the community as a whole.
The fact they basically neutered solo, and are modeling this after DMZ; they’ll likely be milking our wallets dry with micro transactions. Just my thoughts
This is a crazy good way to decipher the zombies community and how the fans would react. But I must ask. Will this be on the test?
The only way Activision is getting another dime from me is if they drop a new zombie map for Black Ops 3.
Anyone else notice how many times he said hardcore... haha. Love this video and love Waffles he actually emailed me back when i first started youtube. Such an underrated youtuber! Keep up the great work!!
I know us hardcore fans of the original mode aren't the majority when you include all the causal players, but I would literally pay like $1000 for a standalone game that focuses on the original formula.
A classic mode would be very interesting. If you want to use loadouts, you can use the modern game features, and if you use classic mode, the game balances around starting with a pistol, and keeps the system very much the same to the classic games.
Chaos died for this.
right😭😭😭
I loved Outbreak, but having a time based, outbreak style mode as the only option at launch is not only a terrible idea short term, but as we saw with Vanguard, it will damage the game in the long run. Also, the devs CAN make it work given how many studios and devs have their hands on this game. Activision either won't let them or wants to focus on making every mode more like Warzone.
The one thing i’m wondering if there will be so many people on the map at once won’t there be heavily difficult obstacles to the steps of the easter egg ? Or will everyone take part in the same steps? I can see how its possible but i just think it’ll be difficult with everyone on top of eachother and getting in the way where as having the 4 player team will make it easier to communicate, work together and accomplish the objective still grounded hope but it just wonders in the back of my mind
They should’ve forced all of us after 30 minutes to band together for one exfil and you either have the weapons to defend or you die and don’t make it on the exfil.. 30 player each doing they’re own thing to get guns. Then 1 exfil where we all 30 players defend for 15mins.. 15min of everyone holding the trigger down & watching each others backs till exfil lands…
I’m talking Mustang & Sally trigger pull till I’m 10 seconds from a seizure or the exfil lands lol. That would be sick..
Great Video Milo!!! Love how your approaching the mode with some optimism because of your love for Zombies! Treyarch are lucky to have fans like you!
I've reevaluated my personal view on how I'd describe my zombies fanhood. Always been a huge story fan but definitely more casual of a player. Love watching people play tho, always
The only thing I want is that feeling like I had the first time I finished BO and found out there was a zombie mode hidden in the game.
Milo you helped me realize I take in and listen to zombies 80% of the time to my 20% of actually playing , sucks that the story telling is so vanilla now there’s no reason to look deeper or partake in outside of playing
As a hardcore player all the way from Nacht, I really enjoyed the Cold War and outbreak experience. That being said, I think MW3 Z loses its “intimacy” with all the extra players. Personally I feel like I’m joining a lobby instead of investing my time with friends or a small amount of randos for up to hours. Round based has this unique team feel especially if you’re going to attempt a EE together. This zombies mode just gives me Travis Scott Fortnite concert vibes
bro said travis scott fortnite vibes haha I completely agree. As a round based zombies fan from the old days, who also enjoys the fortnite universe, I agree that they are & should be two totally different games. I’m really hoping COD 2024 is back to rounds and new maps.
Bro If anything gives you travis scott even vibes wouldnt that be a good thing even people who didn't play fortnite admit that was a good ass event
yes it was great, I loved it and I love fortnite, but when I play zombies I prefer classic zombies overall, not trying to hate, its just that my preference is to keep Fortnite and COD zombies different since the aim is different, or at least it used to be lol@@flamebreaker7318
As someone who kinda fell off after black ops 4, I'm happy to see that people are still getting into something that was a huge part of childhood/ teenage years. For anyone who's going into MW3 for zombies I hope you enjoy it and find time to enjoy your hobby.
I wanna go back to bo3 days watching your vidoes about the easter eggs
I hope it does well, am I sad that it’s not more like bo3? Kind of. But I hope it’s fun to hop into once and awhile. I felt like they lost the direction they had for bo3 long before this game but now I don’t think it will every be back. All I wanted was more boss fight like you found in zet but more mechanics base. Round base used to have objectives, but now it feel like they took tens steps back .
As someone who started by playing BO2 zombies split screen with friends back in middle school. I personally enjoy both Round Based and Outbreak. When Outbreak came out, for me, it was a breath of fresh air just because it had felt like Zombies had been stumbling for the past few iterations of it (start of Cold War & BO4 mainly) nothing wrong with that but outbreak was something completely different yet familiar. As someone who often likes to look at things with a glass half full mentality, having the option for both round based AND outbreak could and should be what we are striving for, not one or the other. Player choice is the key to pleasing the most people. And with how many devs are working and chipping into make COD every year, both should be expected when zombies comes out.
I’ll be trying this zombies mode out when it releases, is it looking good or bad? I can’t say personally I need to see more or play it before I throw anything out there. Keep up the great work Milo, glad to see a video like this.
It's so awesome that the last few years all Activision online services have been beyond dangerous for everyone to play, and yet they keep removing options to safely play the games. It's absolutely unreal that they are still such a large titan of a corporation because of the sheer incompetence and negligence.
i wish that they would just release a cod zombies game with all the round based maps.
I'm personally a casual player, I don't have enough time in a week to be much more. I am though, very able to listen to videos quite a bit throughout the day. I'm always one to go back and comment when I get the chance.
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