Call of Duty Vanguard Was WORSE Than You Remember
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Call of Duty review and full retrospective in 2023. Call of Duty Vanguard is far worse than you probably remember. This will be a full review and analysis on COD Vanguard Campaign, Multiplayer gameplay, and Vanguard zombies all maps. This will be the final video I ever make on this abomination of a video game and detailing why Call of Duty Vanguard is bad. - Hry
"We...are the Vanguard" Has to be the one of the worst endings i heard to a call of duty game Holy Fuck 😐
It's like some teen wrote the script and was like *"Wow like that so epic, i'll write that in yeah man so radical"*
How did someone write that and not just cringe
44:22 😮Yh
The issue with the campaign is that they essentially tried to make an avengers movie with a WW2 coat of paint.
Lmao that makes sense, I remember watching the cutscenes and thinking to my self,"why do I feel like I'm watching a marvel movie? "
U?c
that... that explains it
No, the issue is that all of the missions were flashbacks lmao
I miss when you could beat the campaign of a WWII Call of Duty game, see the message "This game is dedicated to the brave men that fought in the Second World War" and legitimately feel good
They can't say that because it would be a disgrace and downright disrespect to the genuine people who fought in that miserable war, because of the game's grotesque Hollywoodization and outright false depictions of the war.
@@friendofp.24 so you’re telling me that the Russians were able capture Stalingrad because of the millions of people that lost their lives fighting and not because a female sniper really disliked nazis?
Is that really what you got for Vanguard @@ItsDatGuy969? Is that what you thought it was trying to say? I don’t care much for the game either but that’s a stretch. I think you have other issues that are bigger than the game. Lol
@@ItsDatGuy969wasnt that sniper girl not even in that battle
The real OGs will remember "No cows were harmed in the making of this game"
Gotta love how in the campaign, the black officers in Wade's chapter are the most stereotypical black characters, it's almost comical. They literally talk about how they can't wait to go home and play the saxophone and bet on baseball like bruhh
Exactly. They want to call white people like me racist yet they are creating stereotypical black people with no depth, so its also hypocritical. Activision are the racist ones.
@@nitroxylictvWho is calling you racist?
Possibly, although I imagine that's in part because back then, many black men inparticular had far more barriers to enter other occupations. So many turned to sports or music.
It’s being written by modern marvel comic book writers; you know, the company that had a guy draw Miles morales as an asgardian but, with stereotypical “in tha hood” look-like having graffiti be drawn on the Mjnnor?
@@DeadlyAlienInvaderMiles Morales is a good game though I like the story a lot. The Music and Artwork is fitting I mean he's a teenager ...
I took a bullet for the boys, bought this game, and told them don't waste your money. Even today I can't see myself ever playing it again. It was that bad.
Same I had my fun with. But I don’t recommend it
You're a god-damn hero!
They ain’t ya boys if they let you buy the game. Did it not have a beta?
Worst Call of Duty I’ve ever had the displeasure of playing, and it’s not really close
Bro Battlefield 2042 was the worst 70 dollars I have ever spent
I’m just waiting for the “i miss vanguard “ some of my best moments were playing vanguard with my friends” . Then seeing the comment get a bunch of likes and then the cycle continues
I miss vanguard.
@@thecataclysman my best moments were playing vangaurd with my friends
Edit:this was a joke, hated vangaurd
@@CardiacYew-xt5zq nah, I actually like the WW2 setting and… you know, being able to move and having a regular minimap.
@@CardiacYew-xt5zq
*cycle continues*
@@thecataclysman it was a ww2 game?
A lot of Vanguard's shortcomings can be explained with one word: Warzone. The reason Vanguard feels so lifeless and drab, as well as the horribly out-of-place weapons as cosmetics, was that it was used as a vehicle and excuse to add both WW2 and new, wacky content to Warzone. Adding Godzilla and Snoop Dogg to a WW2 game sounds stupid, but adding them in a BR? Sure, why not? Because of Activision's inability to let go of Warzone, Vanguard suffered.
I can see why people love Warzone but I wish they never made it. They keep fusing the stand-alone games with it.
Battlefield 1 did the multiple stories thing SO much better. I know that game was WW1, but it was miles better at telling multiple short stories in lesser known conflicts.
Just battlefield 1. I would say it's more or less passable. .not good. Battlefield 5 though was terrible
@@forresttilghman1098the tiger one is the best and even better than 2 of the stories of bf1
dude the intro of battlefield 1 is a masterpiece alone
@@forresttilghman1098the tiger story legit knocked it out of the park; but that's kinda it lol
@jamesmackes4531 cgi wise but gameplay design noooo... Map design is alright but I would say call of duty and halo are the better fps story games
Something I wanna say:
Irl, the British officer who served with the Australians had grown up in Australia, which inspired him to join the military, had nothing but good things to say about the Australian unit, and visited the surviving members of the Australian units he served with after the war. Far cry from how they're portrayed here
WHAT A VIDEO GAME ISNT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE😱😱⁉️⁉️⁉️
@@d.d5619 the problem is not being not historically accurate, is being garbage for the sake of wokeness
@@d.d5619there’s being historically inaccurate for gameplay and being wrong because the truth hurts your modern toad brain.
@@d.d5619 The original 2 cod games and waw was more accurate
Lol I didn’t even play this pos can’t believe they dogged the boys
What's interesting...if they wanted to talk about untold or undertold battles and events here's a rough idea (not a WW2 nerd)
- The Siege of Singapore
- The Long March
- Iwo Jima/ Island Jumping
- The Razing of Tokyo/Kyoto
- Battle of the Bulge (German perspective)
- Battle of Leningrad
- Raj's counter offense
- The Battle of Papua New Quinea
- German Encircled in Koninesberg/Memel
Post more if you can think of any
Edit: Thank you all for contributing
The Battle Of Kursk
battles of the caucuses
Massacre of Nanjing and the entirety of unit 731 I get that stuff is dark but sledgehammer showed to an extent a extermination camp in ww2
@anthony DiPietro true if they already done that. Let the player experience the Long March the Japanese did to PoWs or play as a Civilian during the Bombings of Tokoyo/Kyoto, or if only doing Europe...of Dresden, Hamburg, pr Frankfurt. There are stories of people trying to find children, but only found puddles
@@ryanmann9842 I don’t care about that. I care about the skill gap the game has to offer
It’s insane that Activision has all the resources to get all these talented groups of people when it comes to animation, marketing, coding, and cinematography but never when it comes to writing. They hire the most inexperienced, unqualified, and ungrateful people to write for what essentially is a blockbuster and fail miserably to Activision’s surprise. Why Activision has been doing that lately is a greater mystery than the pyramids.
They k ow it'll sell. So why waste time making it good when ppl are gonna buy it?
Remember, the 1st priority of any for profit company is TO PROFIT. They're merely cutting development costs.
Cus the customer doesn’t matter anymore, all ESG scores are what matter now. Everything will keep getting more diverse and woke just for the sake of it, and investors will keep funding the companies as the ESG stays high, this is happening in every major corporate body. Don’t have to worry about customer backlash when the investors will keep you afloat, just keep the propaganda and demoralization cranking away
If u know, they have so much history of fecking up with game devs since like, late 90's. Look up SiN. That game has potential, but cuz of publisher time limits, it got released the same way Cyberpunk 2077 was.
They also like writing anti whtie racist stories for some reason. The gaming industry is starting to mimic the movie industry. Its all politically motivated garbage thats half-assed and loses money every time. Doesn't make sense to be honest. The 90's and 2000's were some of the greatest years for gaming and television and it somehow only peaked then and never kept getting better.
@@nitroxylictvIt’ll all crash soon hopefully. Now they’re charging $70 as the standard price for every game AAA or indie it’s ridiculous
a "totally new take on ww2" would be showing the gruesomeness of the conflict on battlefields that actually happened but were never put into an fps (mostly the eastern front where the red army was pushing forward alone after "general winter" forced germany to retreat). and mentioning the war crimes the russians did would also shake up the story a bit, and give us back the ability to play as the bad guys in multplayer
You mean like what WaW did 15 years ago? lol
That isn't new. That's literally every piece of WW2 media post Saving Private Ryan
@@clamcrewcarclub6017 God, the opening in WaW is gruesome
And then we get to Russian side opening...
Isn’t that BFV? I never got the game but I heard they focus on the eastern front and battles that aren’t as well known too bad they didn’t make a D day
You mean WaW when you see limbs be blown off and people on fire.
I was able to get attached to the many mute player characters in cod campaigns more than anyone in vanguard. I care more about Pvt. James Ramirez from MW2 and Frost from MW3 as two examples, because I saw them struggle through intense missions
Having mute characters in cod though should be a thing of the past
nah aw was decent
They are all dead gone and forgotten that’s why they said that
@@Flynnwhite93 yeah back then it was fine but now it is starting to get annoying
@@lifeisshrt7929 I just don’t know why ghosts advance warfare infinite warfare are all hated at least give me the answer
The most frustrating thing with the campaign is that there's so many people out there who have studied the war for years and could've helped make it a much more authentic and respectful representation. I wish we could get a good AAA WW2 game in the modern era.
Sjw's ruin everything
Hell Let Loose
Do you play the other recent CODs? Like the MW and MWII remakes? And here's why I ask. I see a lot of people complain about the utter lack of historicity in modern, mainstream WW2 games (and justly so), but sometimes I get the impression that these people are angry history nerds who don't even play COD/BF in the first place. So what I'd like to know is how much of the (current) COD playerbase wants a more WW2-ey game or do most of them just not give a shit. Like would a modern take on COD2 be viable these days? You could add kill streaks, perks, fluid modern movement etc. But if you had historically accurate gun customization (aka. not much), I think you'd have bunch of the playerbase whining about how boring the guns are and how they want customization back. You might make some old-time COD players happy. But it would be more niche. I don't think it would sell as well or hold players as long. And that's the biggest reason such a COD game likely won't ever be made. Why would ACTIVISION want a COD that would at best be only moderately financially successful? COD established its formula long ago, and it best suits games set in the modern era. They are not going to change it to respect history.
Don't get me wrong, I think a (mostly) historically accurate casual WW2 game is sorely needed, but it's not gonna come from COD IMO.
But, I'm curious what your thoughts on the matter are.
@@Uncle_Ruckus_ With all due respect, that's kind of a non-answer. Hell Let Loose is a hardcore, teamwork-centered walking sim that's got a steep learning curve. Now I'm not saying HLL is a bad title. It's great for hardcore players, but what I think the OP wants (see what I did there 😉) and what other casual gamers want is a World War 2 game that's actually WORLD WAR 2 and actually a GAME. Like a modern incarnation of BF 1942 or COD2.
@@marcelthevirginian1656 you want realism right? Soldiers don't learn how to fight wars overnight
I remember one of the developers said that Call of Duty doesn't have any memorable characters. That's ironic, because everybody who plays Call of Duty remembers Cpt. Price and Soup for being good characters, but the only reason we will remember the characters from Vanguard is because they aren't really characters. They're, more than likely, products of the diversity tool Activision/Blizzard was at least using back then, and it is quite obvious.
Soup 🍵
I meant Soap, that was a mistype
Or Mason and Woods.
"No memorable characters"... 3 words....VIKTOR FUCKEN REZNOV.
"it is a cardinal sin to have cutscenes so long you have to put down your controller" nobody tell him about metal gear solid lmao
Few things I’ll give Vanguard:
1. They added ninja as a perk after the community voiced their feedback
2. They added a trophy system after everyone got tired of grenade spam
3. It did launch with 16 maps, but had poor content drops each season (map wise)
4. They did keep the game fast paced. There were campers, but gameplay speed was pretty quick
But it still sucked 😂
Sledgehhammer were forced to bring ninja perk otherwise it would have been a massive failure, it still didn't have classic minimap (locked behind a perk) and no map voting
How is bringing a hard crutch perk back a good thing? We gonna start adding one man army and danger close coz the community wants it?
vanguard wasn't great but still somehow better than mw2 thats how dogshit the new cods are lol
@@burst5925 nah bro, it's the worst cod game ever, after seeing this, I thought maybe cold war wasn't bad
The trophy system came 3-4months into the game
It’s was dead by new years. That simply isn’t good enough.
My mate only tried the open beta (He's a recently converted gamer btw) and a couple days ago he told me he missed Vanguard and tried to convince me to buy it so we'd play together... I didn't say a word to it, he knows my stance on Vanguard and the recent CoDs in general. He wasn't around during the golden age of CoD, BF and many other series to know better and he now gets wow'd by many subpar titles and trailers; He along with the newer gens of gamers are the target audience for these games and companies, completelly oblivious to what actual quality looks like and willing to be parted with their wallet for a tiny bit of entertainment however muddy it may be.
I think we just have our standards so high for games that it’s hard to enjoy even below average games tbh
Damn.
I honestly feel the actual developers of the game want to make something awesome. But the owner activision has deadlines and profits to hit and they could careless about our experience until they start losing money.
@@spakentruth Got him to try BF1. He pretty much ends up rage quitting every single day after a couple of rounds. He can't break free from that brainless playstyle from the newer CoDs and K/D-matters mentality. I did tell him about other great CoDs but he never ended up trying any of them. Instead he decided to jump from Warzone/MW to Pubg and that's what he's been maining.
Not much else I can do, he's shaping up to be yet another mainstream gamer.
Battlefield 2042 was a full waste of time about on equal level as Vanguard. BF 4, 1 and 5 have repopulated (in that order) due to 2042 being a full failure.
I’ll never in my life be able to forget the broken look on milo’s face, it was the greatest expression of vanguard and one of the saddest point’s in zombies history…. You wanted to laugh but the pain was real! “ how did we come to this?”
a game nobody wanted, made by people that didn't want to make it, sold with a 17 plus age rating to it's fans whom are almost all under the age of 17. Yeah. Sounds like the recipe for success
As a historian I have to say the statement the writers representing the often forgotten parts of of World War Two is utter nonsense. The Vanguard team i comprised of 4 English Speaking soldiers, all taking part in in major battles that are over represented in media such as movies and video games all the while having a chippy and adventurous theme. Instead of showing the Yugoslav Partisan War, the invasion of Greece, Fall of France, Chinese Guerilla fighting, Vietnamese resistance, The Baltic Front, The Invasion of Poland, Czech and Slovak Resistance The Internal Conflict of Free and Vichy French forces and countless other fronts and battles instead its another cookie cutter World War Two with the primary focus being on the English Speaking forces.
What piss me off is the waste with the soviet girl, they could’ve put her in Pavlov’s house defense that could’ve worked perfectly.
But yeah….. they screw up all..
something ill always hate about vanguard is the horrible placement of guns. like finding japanese guns on the train in germany, or finding mostly german weapons during wades mission, or finding something like a bren in germany after escaping the prison. blew the immersion for me pretty much instantly
Yeahhhh there was no consistency, attention to detail, or care for accuracy… at all lol i don’t understand making a game based on history and then not caring about the history. Blew the immersion for me and my bf, too.
Let's not forget the constantly returning revolving shotgun
Because this was history designed for call of duty fans. All it needed was the general idea of world war 2 to seen authentic
The crazy thing is that sledgehammer and raven were pulled from Cold War after working on it for more than a year after having disagreements on the direction of the game/plot. Then they get put to work together again on a game that was glued together in like a year and a half, while also still needing treyarch to do their ranked play and zombies. Now treyarch is even doing MW2s ranked play and somehow they have to make their own game. If anything CW-MW2 just showed that treyarch need a raise.
The thing that always pisses me off about the whole "oh but it's not the real WW2, it's our artistic interpretation", is that you could go crazy with so many ideas to spice up the WW2 shooter genre.
You could add Steampunk vehicles, flying panzers, a distopian post victorian society that's been through war for more than 100 years, fucking dinosaurs, dragons or some bullshit like that.
But no, female black nazi is all they can think of.
A black female nazi is a literal oxymoron, who on either side of the political isle or any average gamer would want that?
Where in the game are female black Nazis?
I personally requested those females
@@gamerinatrance3618multiplayer
This is why wolfenstein is great lol
Y'know a while ago I re-watched the zombie reveals for cold war and vanguard and the difference was night and day.
For cold war's they're going on about all the new mechanics and how they freshen up the old formula. You could honestly feel how excited they were to show off all of the new stuff they put together for Die Maschine.
Meanwhile, vanguard's was kinda just "yeah look at our new lore i guess". They spend so much time talking about the god characters that are just glorified field upgrades, and you don't get a feel for how the game's supposed to play other than it being different from classic zombies experiences. In hindsight, you can tell they were just phoning it in.
@Kidd Thunder I still main bo4 and 3 till this day with IW on the side imo bo4 along with 3 has more content than all the new game’s combined not to mention all the dlc can be earned without spending a dime and each gun isn’t locked behind a 30$ paywall also imo those games had the best prestige camos all the new ones suck in the currents cods except for plague diamond and dark aether from cw zombies which I ended up grinding before I realized that game was going no where
I'd say vanguard zombies is better than black ops 2 3 and 4
@@matthewterry3869 and other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
@@Hectoreo right back at you it's hilarious that people think vanguard is so bad
@@matthewterry3869 It's too obvious. You need to be more subtle when trolling, or else no one will fall for it.
If you wanted to piss some people off without giving it away, go with "all the old black ops games were just as bad as vanguard". You'll absolutely get people with that.
Poor Laura, feel bad for her cuz she’s a phenomenal actress but she really has kept drawing the short straw the past decade and getting literally the most hated and absolutely worst written characters in every video game she’s in.
She's basically typecasted.
@@mattd5240 It's true! Which sucks cuz shes so talented and funny when she does characters like her own character Jester in critical role or even some of her old stuff like Lucina from FE or even some older anime, but recently shes just been type casted as characters like Paulina, the one girl from Gears of War, or the hulk hogan randy savage wannabe in The last of us. Just goes to show type casting can really hurt an actors career
@@blackdimond115 Actors need to learn to turn down certain rolls.
How do you voice great characters and then go and voice characters in games like the Vanguard Campaign, Avengers, and Last of Us 2 💀
@@raidengoodman8754 because directors type cast actors, especially Neil Cuckman who has a weird and creepy fetish for casting her as the "strongwoman" character that is literally the worst written and most unlikable characters in the entirety of media. Like i said though, thats not her fault cuz shes done phenomenal characters like Jester, Maka, Lucina etc.
Vanguard isn't just bad. It's legitimately offensive to not only the source material of other games, to the actually history they took inspiration from, but most importantly it was offensive to the real life people that fought in this war, the fact that they had the fucking arrogance to say these "characters" single-handedly turned the tide of war is honestly disgusting and shows that the people writing this game have no respect for the people that fought and died in it.
And ghost and soap were real people who were historically accurate. That logic sucks ass, it’s a video game series where you respawn and kill people over and over. If you want more realistic games there are other options that cater to that feel
@Creepyreapz the game literally said the Russian woman single handedly changed the tide of the war, and the devs said constantly we're going for realism and to show historical events, mw2 was a fictional event in history that was forced on the characters and events going on with them, don't come and argue something if you don't know what your talking about
@@andrewmeredith15 name one cod game with a historically accurate story
@Creepyreapz 1,2,3 waw. Real events, real people, real deaths, you're just a cog in the machine.
@@andrewmeredith15 Bruv who plays Cod for campaign story historical accuracy, the playable characters in all those games you just mentioned still aren’t real people, and the primary focus of cod is the multiplayer, my point still stands, there’s nothing realistic about it. And 1,2,3 and world at war? Wow came out in 2008 how freaking old are you? The fact that “historical accuracy” in a game series with nerf gun attachment switching, animated gun skins, unlimited lives. Being able to instantly heal yourself, dropping ridiculous killstreak perks etc, is rather laughable. You old people just like to hate on newer games and keep pretending like the games from when you were younger are better when that couldn’t be less true is just brain dead
The campaign is literally the most offensive thing I've ever seen in a aaa game, and most studios let loose on crazy shit so seeing them try to justify the crime of forced loving was crazy lol game makes me want to play ghost
I thought it was great... ive played COD since the FIRST one on pc.
@@derrickdavis7917Awesome to let us know you lack standards throughout life
How was it offensive? Explain please.
This is the game that made me stop pre-ordering COD games. The fact that I actually like all of the older ones, and the fact that most of us will only remember this game because of Warzone tie-in's. The Godzilla/Kong event will be the only thing I will remember about this game. I uninstalled the game after the last DLC pack and haven't been tempted to go back. We should of gotten remasters
Pre-order shouldn't exist as a business concept.
@@tonypeppermint5329especially pre ordering cod games, big yikes
Crazy that it took you to experience a bad game to make you stop preordering cod, instead of having common sense and not preordering at all
BO4 was the only COD I pre-ordered and was the last one. Never pre-order a game
I'm glad the last game I pre-ordered was Black Ops 2.
The funny thing with vangaurd was that the first week, the only title I saw about the game was, sledgehammer has done it, or something ultra positive like this was the best cod ever released. But the only thing vangaurd did right was the launch content.
Happens every year. People can’t cope with the fact that the marketing lies worked on them once again and they spent 70$ on a garbage game so they brag about how much fun they have with their financial mistake.
They tried so hard to make it an Avengers style story... which, doesnt work in a REAL WORLD WAR. I cringed harder than I ever had before when that guy said "We... were the Vanguard"
My brother works QA for Activision, no joke. It's not a consistently smooth job but in recent years he's really enjoyed it, enjoyed the solidarity he has with his coworkers, and above all has been proud of the work he's done and the games that he's contributed to seeing put out.
He describes Call of Duty: Vanguard as "birdcage lining".
I don’t want to be mean, or rag on the devs who probably busted their asses, but for me personally, it’s been 3 strikes for Sledgehammer. AW and WW2 were both painfully mediocre, and Vanguard was downright awful. I seriously think it’s time for Sledgehammer to go back to being a support studio, and give Raven their shot at making their own CoD game.
Yeah, playing Wolfenstien 2009 and Singularity its clear Raven have the better skill when it comes to the basic concept of fun.
@@asscheeks3212 Raven also developed CoD online which looked insanely fun, but was sadly only released in China
Vanguard was the lay-up, and MWII / WZ2 was the slam dunk that made me finally accept that COD has always sucked and that I was too addicted to notice it
but thats not really true.. cod DID used to be good.. really good
I think it’s that and a combination of getting older, time to pass the torch to the new guys.
Activision has just sucked anything unique from the games to make room for the same bland warzone formulas every game after mw 2019 has been the exact same thing and adding battle passes to the game have just turned the series into a huge cashgrab
@@BoxOfCurryos that’s what cod did pass it to the new guys and they ruined the franchise
Naaaa it just sucked since black ops 2
im so fed up of everything wanting to be a social comentary
You really think a game about a real-world conflict isn't going to have political commentary?
@@gamerinatrance3618 yeah it had the wrong type. anyway they went the alternate history route
It sucks that these maps won't see the daylight in other cods because of Vanguard reputation. Das haus , Tuscan, Gondola, Oasis and Mayhem were pretty good maps and would be awesome if they get reimagined for future cods. Especially the combat pacing
Yeah vanguard had some really cool map
Multiplayer gameplay,guns and movement was on point. And those maps as you mentioned. I think that Vanguard multiplayer was fun.
What really annoyed me was the insane weapon customization that could be done. So many cursed gun loadouts in the multiplayer. Many of the customization features would render the gun inoperable (Like completely removing the stock on a StG 44). I'm sorry but sawing off the stock of a bolt-action rifle is not something any sane person would do.
I saw a 1917 bolt action with a magazine. Like that can never happen. It has a bolt action, it's not like a Mosin with a built in mag. It's a 1917
The visual mess and utter eyesore that is modern FPS guns, cosmetics and art direction is a problem that goes beyond just CoD Vanguard.
48:40 I think moving fast is prolly one of the few fun things about vanguard zombies
The fact that this and cold war were released back to back is mental.
It's funny that you mention the sledgehammer and raven dispute, that dispute forced treyarch to speedrun making Cold War in 2 years (1 year if you consider the fact that they were working in DLC content for BO4 in 2019), yet they still managed to drop a much better game than Vanguard, and then Activision forced them to speedrun zombies for Vanguard AND NOW they are forcing them to speedrun Black Ops 6. Why does Activision gives Treyarch the tip of the stick, not even the short end of it
I knew it was a bad idea to have another game right away after Cold War because of the development struggles that the devs had to overcome with that game. I feel like we should have got more Cold War DLC or something.
Cold War should have been delayed to 2021, Vanguard should have been cancelled completely and MWII should have been delayed to 2023
@ArshKhanLM30 Yes but the execs want their money lol. I didn't buy Vanguard because it was set in WW2 and so many things were just bad about it lol. We thought there wasn't going to be a new full release this year and apparently we're getting mw2 2.5 lol. I am interested to see how that going to look. So many problems with mw2. I probably won't buy it.
@@Miguelon88888 Cold War took place in the 80s just like irl
@@Miguelon88888 ain’t no way you said COLD WAR had so many things wrong about it.. Vanguard was the horrible one..
Cold War took place in the 80’s, not in WW2
@@TheGJgaming07 lol. I made a mistake, I meant to say Vanguard 😅😅
The difference between WW2 and Vanguard is that with WW2 you can feel the love despite the inadequacies it has... Vanguard just feels like a copy of MW2019 but there were destructible pieces of the environment
A note for 20:30, I find it hilarious that they tried to do the vertical slices of different parts of the war and failed at its execution when Battlefield 1, and I think most would agree, succeeded on that front in telling a set of stories from different theaters of war. Very ironic.
Every bargain bin I see has like 20 copies of Vanguard in it; that told me so much about it to begin with, plus this video breaking it down even more. I agree with a lot of what you said, particularly with the writing team. If they had brought on an actual historian to supplement the writers I feel it might have helped, but that would have added costs, and I get the impression the writing team was chosen on a lowest bidder kinda system. Hopefully they find success in other areas, and can bury their involvement with Vanguard; I feel bad they got caught up in this shit storm of a poorly made game.
They did bring on at least one actual historian, it was the same guy who they brought on for cod ww2.
Sam Maggs wrote this game (Vanguard)... She also wrote Anthem, Mass Effect Andromeda and Tiny Tina's Wonderland. She was gonna write KoToR remake but left that position. Look up this person, shes very controversial.
@@tanos857 I am communist... But I have little tolerance for these sjw types... I can see it from a mile away the kind of eprson that she is.
This is your best video yet. I was pretty critical of your earlier retrospectives, I don't think you went in as deep as you could have with MW2 (2009).
But I think you did this one justice.
That MW2 (2009) retrospective made me think you weren't cut out for this fortmat. But this video shows significant growth.
tried giving this game another chance a year later after having not played it for that long and I legit played 1 game of zombies and 1 game of multiplayer and realized I was playing one of the most cursed video games in existence where you're getting shot at by mini-guns in zombies and getting shot at by Snoop Dog in a WW2 multiplayer. Deleted the game right after.
Cry about it
I think the most disappointing part of the campaign was how some parts were actually dope as fuck. I loved doing the turbruk stuff, the D-Day airborne stuff was fun and the Stalingrad knife fight boss fight thing was interesting. I also liked how stealthy everything felt. The issue was that none of it really came together
You know whats funny Call of Duty Finest Hour my first COD game did the exact same formula of diversity but included different theaters of war. First mission takes place in Stalingrad literally the second mission has you play as a female sniper. Second theaters was North Africa where you play as British SAS officer planting explosive. Third campaign was the American crossing the Rhine whats included African American tank driver and his tank battalion. All of it was crafted seamlessly and wasn't thrown in there for the sake of diversity and to my knowledge every character you played as was based off a real person. Sooooo I truthfully dont understand how Vanguard fucked up this bad when they had the blueprint from 2004
How is Finest Hour functionally different from Vanguard then? If they both have diverse characters abd diverse theaters of war then the only difference left is this nebulous concept of "an agenda". I personally think Vanguard messed up cause its mostly disjointed flashbacks of each character's origin story.
The campaign in this game is literally one of the most disrespectful things ever made by Sledgehammer. They took one of the biggest conflicts in human history and turned it into a woke clown parody with super soldiers and Snoop Dogg.
You think that's bad you should have seen the gun customisation (or should I say defilement). Some of them shouldn't even function
It was a great campaign and was fun as hell to play and the characters were great. War is hell, a video game shouldn't be. Cry about it.
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Thanks for tha video, this whole series is really well made
My favorite part is how the people who lecture me about stereotypes had the black guys calling me a white boy and one of them saying. "I hope they have grits in heaven"
White boy is a pretty tame insult compared to what was often used on the opposite end.
What bothers me the most about the story is that Polina's part is kinda redundant since if we take the franchise's lore as a whole, (correct me if i'm wrong) what helped the soviets drive out the germans from Stalingrad was the assassination of General Amsel by Petrenko in WaW.
I got this game on a battle net sale for half off, and I still feel like I didn't get my money's worth. 2 games of Multiplayer, 3 games of Zombies, and one playthrough of the campaign where I had to restart 3 levels because the objective glitches out
My main explanation for what went wrong with Vanguard was that they tried two hard to please both the OG WWII CoD fans and the MW/BO modern CoD fans and the result left neither of them happy. Sounds like you more or less came to a similar conclusion. I do also agree that choosing pacing and map size in MP was by far Vanguard’s best mechanic.
Everytime, i see footage of that MP, a new cancer cell dabs its way through my intestins.
Funny thing when I was watching a friend play vangaurd when it became availible on steam, we both kept hearing what we thought was the battlefield theme on a couple of occasions came to an idea that at some point that either it was a coincidence or they wanted to copy battlefield V.
Look, I have over a dozen WW2 shooters in my video game collection. From CoD 1 all the way to Sniper Elite 5. Believe me when I say that no one was more excited than me when CoD: WW2 was an abject disappointment, and Battlefield 5 was atrocious. Now, Vanguard was coming along, promising to be the WW2 FPS we should've gotten all along. Well, I was so disappointed by it, I only played it once and felt that in a few ways, CoD: WW2 was actually better. At least we have the Sniper Elite series and the Zombie Army games to scratch the itch of shooting Nazis.
WW2 shooters need to end, there's too many.
Looking back to WW2s campaign (as a German) the story that it tells really touched my heart. Walking through the concentration camp while I have visited Dachau gave me goosebumps. They really catched a feeling in this scene and you clearly see that they paid a lots of respect in WW2. In vanguard it seems like they forgot about the honor and respect that the soldiers defenetely have deserved.
WW2 was a great game
BF1 FTW
@@gabrielrodriguez4411 true that
About a third of the way through the campaign, I started skipping all of the cut scenes as soon as they started. I lost interest AND felt like the devs were just flicking rubber bands at me the whole time.
This is the only video that needs to be made and watched about Vanguard. Well done. 👍
The biggest gripe I have with the story isn’t so much where they had the missions but moreso how the story was told. I feel that the best way to have the audience connect with the characters would have been better suited if they were a team at the start, rather than their first mission be the last day of the war. While yes it would be totally inaccurate to have Arthur or the others in Stalingrad it could have been written that they have to hold Polina back and aim her at a bloody revenge attack aimed at the Germans in the area who killed her father. Or shoehorn it into the story that all of team vanguard was selected by their respective nations to go on suicide missions after they did something “impossible without dying in the process”. I love history and we have seen some incredible stories be told in the WWII setting but this story and setting just suck
It could have also just been one big infiltration mission from the start, with each characters backgrounds being explored not by flashbacks but them in each mission doing what got them picked to begin with. Clearly this team was assembled with a goal in mind, so it makes no sense to not show them using their experience and skills for one last battle.
So true. Literally the main reason I couldn't vribg myself to really like the campaign was cause 90% of it was disjointed flashbacks where all the characters have no association with each other.
The sad thing about vanguard is that when i play it i can hear its echoes of greatness Vanguard would have been one of the best Dieselpunk FPS out there if only Activision would had let the development team cook rather than forcing them to the WW2 recepie.
I would have loved a good immersive WWII shooter with badass customization that may be not historical accurate but still fitting for the era. They could have gone a very cool route with bringing back the specific WWII factions for the Multiplayer maps with Faction exclusive skins and operators that also adjust their appearance based on the map to keep the immersion alive (snow suits in snow environments for example).
I really liked the Multiplayer launch of the game in terms of fundamental gameplay and pace and the amount of launch content. Just a shame they couldn't give the game the support it needed
I loved the mp gameplay on a base level. Like, the pacing was fun and the gunplay felt nice... for the first few days before everyone started unlocking attachments. The gunsmith is so annoying to deal with.
Also I'm just saying, they would've gotten a better reception if they made Advanced Warfare 2. They literally had an exo suit skin in the last season. Plus the gunsmith would make sense as well! I'd love to see some remakes of the AW guns and how they'd play in the new engine... but ig World War Two Guns Once Again (Not The Popular Ones Tho) - The Game made more sense for the execs
Dude AW was dope.
"I'm very triggered on their use of their use of the term white boy when referring to Wade. Next time I really prefer if they use the term cracker."
Bro that had be cracking up ... xD
ah yes, two of my least favorite story tropes: one man (or small squad) single-handedly ends a war, and "Getting captured was all part of my plan!"
It seems like Activision needs to designate each studio to create their own game and have other studios to check it out and see what it needs instead of rushing another project after another
no need, if you're self-aware enough to not buy cod games year after year no matter what's in em you're not their target audience. they'd never say it out loud but they're primarily trying to appeal to kids who don't know any better, there's a reason cod has the most squeakers out of any AAA franchise out there lol
Cold War Better
Ok, but, WW2 *did* have a cartoonishly evil man at the centre of it with a female Russian sniper who had a huge impact on the war
This is kinda true. Hitler, as devilishly evil as that prick was, he definitely had a cartoonish villain vibe considering all the impractical and outlandish shit he wanted to pull, and the Soviet Union did have a good number of insanely talented female snipers. Hell, they even had the Night Witches, a group of female IL-2 pilots who attacked German positions from the air at night.
Vanguard is not Infinite Warfare. Vanguard was made with 0 love and had no effort put into it. I feel terrible for the developers that were forced to work on this game because i wouldve walked out after release day.
it sucks u dont like making these videos bc theyre too negative but i love these videos hahaha. thank u for giving me binge watching videos like this that i can go back and rewatch 7 times🙌
Honestly I pre ordered vanguard played it a few times and happily forgot about it but when you made your videos they reminded me this game exists
I can’t believe it. On the COD Reddit, people have been begging for Vanguard’s movement to come back. It came back for MW3 hence killing my already lack of interesting in MW3
Me and my last ex played COD every day we saw eachother and that was a few times a week. We started dating when the new MW1 came out and we played it all the time together. Then Cold War came out, we played that religiously as well and it was okay. But then Vanguard came out, he bought it and I was skeptical tbh but shelled out the $70 for the cross Gen bundle. I screwed myself because it sucked. He even admitted that it sucked down the line too. We mostly played zombies in Cold War with a few multiplayer matches in between. We would just go back to Cold War tbh. But we broke up after two years together so we never got to try MW2 together but I bought my Ps5 a few months after the break up and also got MW2 when it came out. It’s also okay but tbh they need to remaster MW2OG and BO1. I miss those days
I remember they broke the auto aim on Xbox for months... I enjoyed it when it released but every update broke the game worse and worse. I thought it was a little cool that Operators had unlocks in-game. It's kind of hilarious how MW2 has that $30 purchasable battle pass with black and gold skins that look identical to the ones you could unlock in Vanguard with gameplay.
It really was that bad. You take one of the most brutal war in history and change it so pc and woke that it’s an insult to my grandfather that served as a air man. Not only was it a woke pile of shit. But it was buggy. Cringy. Poorly written, and the fact the devs were attacking the fans due to backlash from how bad the game was doing. Was the first cod that actually lost money and will never forgive sledgehammer games for not only having a disaster game as ww2 but vanguard. It should have been called transguard tbh. I loved that it failed still makes me laugh to this day.
How was it woke though?
They made the”white boy” personal look bad as if they are evil. You got short haired lesbian characters. Bi sexual men in character bios and the fact they made a women change the outcomes of the wa. Makes absolute no sense and kinda disrespectful. And I love the fact they tried to keep it historically accurate quote on quote when there are lesbians and made up faction characters that had no reason to be in the game.
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So it's just like BF 5 then? They use the "historically accurate" excuse but replace real life soldiers and battles with annoying characters that weren't part of it?
Watching this I realised I didn’t even finish the story mode 😂 another great video chopper
"Tip of the Spear" sounds something that came straight out of HALO REACH. The "Our mission was completed" sounded like something out of Halo 4
I think mw2 is worse to be honest, mw2 and warzone 2 are extremely boring
Dude I would rather eat lead then play warzone 2
It's a sad time, debating which terrible Cod is worse than the other terrible Cods.
Not mw2. Say whatever you want about mw2. It's far superior than Vanguard
Bro your editing is hilarious 😂
This man thought I wouldn’t hear Kichijoii 199X music playing in the background
You know who did the concept of telling lesser known story with fun gameplay better? 3.
It’s all about one battle and it follows Americans, Canadians, British and French resistance, and even fuckinf POLES. POLES dude. I still remember holding that hill until the Canadians finally arrived.
I honestly forgot vanguard even existed until just now, hence why I looked up this video to try to remember what it even looked like
I love your breakdowns a lot, they could be 5hrs and i'd still watch em.
I hope Treyarch will drop a BANGER Zombies in 2024!!
They haven't made a good zombies sense bo1
@@matthewterry3869 I love Cold War Zombies.
Granted it's literally the only Zombies i played so far (i exclude Vanguard because... yeah)
@@coldfries8976 never played cold war but but vanguard zombies is pretty good other than my favorite world of war zombies and black ops 1
@@matthewterry3869💀💀💀 this guy thinks vanguard zombies is good
@@marbl3d45 I know right was better than cod zombies 3 for sure
WW2 SHOULD be politically heavy handed, IT'S WW2, but it SHOULDN'T BE WRITTEN BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOTHING BUT MY LITTLE PONY AND MARVEL COMICS
“Man.. Vanguard was a hidden Gem.” - Little Timmy, knowing dam well they’re are no Dot sights and slide cancelling in 1945
I recently bought a copy on shame-sale. Kept it in it's wrapper and put it alongside Fallout '76, also in it's wrapper.
Sounds like the best way to enjoy these two rug-pulls.
One thing I would like to say is that this game wasn't really a battle between Sledgehammer and Raven, that was allegedly for the 2020 game that they were both working on before it having to be taken over by Treyarch after SHG and Raven couldn't work together. Vanguard was mainly SHG I believe.
as an indie dev, i can confirm that the only way to fix der anfang is to make it a mini hub world leading to several round based zombies maps that are as small but as fun as notch der untotem
in the new der anfang, players can upgrade abilities and the elixirs before proceeding to the next map
each map has an optional extraction to go back into the hub world every ten rounds
even allowing the players to use the rage mod thing to "play" the hub world like a normal map
even throw in the missions as optional stuff players can agree to accept
basically like CODM but vanguard, if only vanguard had custom maps, der anfang 2.0 would be a hit!
9:16 - This is a topic with widely differing explanations; some claim that Cold War was the product that Sledgehammer WWII Games and Raven was working on, while others claim that Treyarch was already working on Cold War and forced to expedite its development. Which one is correct?
I remember playing the demo for this game with my friend and I played two matches. We won and I popped off but it made me feel like a bootleg mw 2019 and I never touched it again
MP was fine plenty of good maps, gore in MP was good too👍🏻
I love how the pricks that made this campaign think that they know a bunch of history and try to re-write history, but the fact that the main villain alludes to wanting to having kids with Polina is absurd to me, the Nazis literally hated the Russians just about as much as the Jews.
My first and only experience with this game is trying to play with my friend and any time i had a mic plugged in the audio was all fucked up and then when i unplugged it it was still fucked up and i literally lost a friend over it cuz they thought i just didnt wanna play
I enjoyed multiplayer in Vanguard more than MW19.
Both games are bad.
MW2019 and MW2 are the worst COD’s I’ve played.
Cold War was better than both combined.
Both of them are worse even it's disgrace and shame to cod series.
@@saadsnjawe136y’all hate just to hate lol .. probably stuck in the past as well
Ive watched all these but definitely can go rewatch them again
VG great things:
-movement
-maps
-ninja as a perk
-red dots on mini map (perk)
Crappy things:
-setting
-bloom
Crappy things
Campaing
Skins
Characters
Zombies
Graphics
A lot of people don’t realize that what makes people look back on and enjoy the old games that sucked with a fond memory is because all the new games are even worse, by proxy making them realize the old games really aren’t that bad in retrospect. I hate most of the new games but honestly always liked ghosts, advanced, infinite and ww2. Not because they were good games but because the developers genuinely tried something different such as extinction, exos etc. I really love the freedom of infinites campaign, play it on specialist difficulty, seriously. It adds a completely different idea for gear and health management and I thought that was truly fun.
It’s better than the new modern warfare 2 that’s a fact
Agreed. Modern Warfare 2 is just literally a rehash of a 15 year old game. And it’s worse!!! Lmao
What are you smoking? Can I have it?
I gotta call bullshit on this one.😂
2:12 What makes this so true, is that this is been happening with Cod since Ghosts.
After Black ops 2 we entered to a modern era of cod on which Activision knew they could just milk the shit out of it and they will still get tons of money. However some zoomers hate it at first and then wait after 5 years and start considering underrated and good. This actually is happening to any cod around 2013 to 2019.
I've been seeing a lot of opinions on which people are legimately defending this games like they were the OGs, that's because the old breed from 2000s is already been considered that old I guess. But my critics around all Cods from 2013 to now remains the same with very few minor changes but I would never call any of them underrated.
I don’t know why ghosts is hated is it because of what the title is called that looked similar to Tom Clancys ghost recon because if it is than I felt sorry for you
@@usadroopymeat1099 Cod Ghost is hated for a lot of reasons and if you think it is hated or that I hated because of the name. Then I feel sorry for you. If you want me, I can list you why Cod Ghosts was bad.
@@aveteranplayer6403 yes please write down a list of why it’s hated and maybe I might be satisfied for now
@@usadroopymeat1099 ok, I will write based on my opinion, personal experience and the overall critics around it. Just wait.
@@aveteranplayer6403 okay then
Ghost was my first call of duty ever which I loved: the guns felt so meaty, it had creative story mission like the space fight but the thing I loved almost was I found that ghost’s aesthetic for the whole game from guns to maps to tone was my favorite. the next one I played was was black ops 2 and I felt what cod games were truly meant to feel like and began to see the flaws ppl mentioned. But the thing that remains after all this time is the creativity that I saw the developers at least TRY with ghosts: the bigger maps that lacked the flow of normal cods, the more fictional but interesting setting of the maps, the bad decision of the satcom replacing the UAV, going from blacking out zthe outline of your scope when you zoom in to now a blur so you can see things, field missions in a match,but also the fun decisions made like their attempt at battlefields levelution and all the maps feeling so geared towards party modes like hun game or infected(ghosts is my fav infected in the series cuz of the small meta’s they had like the infamous ice wall glitch on whiteout) ghosts wasn’t a good cod game but it at least could rest on the defense of being one of the more daring and creative cods of the series. Vanguard… felt worse gameplay wise, aesthetic wise and worst of all creative wise. Absolutely no effort was put in: the zombies is pathetic, the guns feel bad and the muzzle flash and smoke are too much and obstruct your vision, they just feel weak too, the maps are bland, the story was underwhelming despite the characters being a focus which was a fine change of pace but Kingsley was the only one that was any fun or interesting. They just played it so safe with vanguard and it’s a true shame. Ghost is a black sheep but it can take pride in at least trying new ingredients for the cod formula than taking away any of the things that spiced up the formula like vanguard to the point it gets bland.
fun fact there is a glitch i encountered while playing the game where a character would stop mid-way in their sentence