When Orcs Unite? | The Alliance of Mordor, Isengard, and the Misty Mountains

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  • Ever wondered what those Orcs got up to before attacking the Fellowship and killing Boromir? And how does their story end?
    Learn more about the difference between Orcs, Uruks, and Goblins in this video - • Orcs, Uruks, & Goblins...
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  • @lancebrowning4770
    @lancebrowning4770 Před měsícem +131

    I can't express how delighted i am that you have returned to us Rainbow Dave.

    • @benmaguire1729
      @benmaguire1729 Před měsícem +5

      I concur!!! I could listen to rainbow Dave wax whimsically about the legendarium all times of... Every of the times.... Times of always... ??? IDK, hopefully y'all can catch what I was throwing. Thanks Dave, love your content!!!!

    • @smilesfordays8946
      @smilesfordays8946 Před 26 dny

      I think I'm beginning to feel gay, but I will never do the deed.

    • @SchumanD1
      @SchumanD1 Před 19 dny

      3 cheers for…Rainbow Dave lol be gay or whatever but not that name 😂

    • @ZeepDr
      @ZeepDr Před 13 dny

      Same!!!!

  • @Philusteen
    @Philusteen Před měsícem +90

    random orc: "I think we should unionize."
    Orc platoon leader: "looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!"

  • @ilonapsiuk1078
    @ilonapsiuk1078 Před 28 dny +25

    I love how clearly this vid shows that "the two towers" is in fact about the rivalry, not an union between the two Maiar. As always - great job Rainbow one 🙂

    • @TimJohniLL
      @TimJohniLL Před 24 dny +4

      We use “a” with nouns that start with a consonant sound. Sometimes, as in the case of “union”, a word begins with the vowel “u” in the spelling, but with a consonant in the pronunciation (you). Remember, when deciding whether to use “a” or “an”, it is the sound, not the spelling, which is important.
      Sry ocd and was curious so I googled it

    • @jay3898
      @jay3898 Před 3 dny

      @@TimJohniLL this, to me, seems an acceptable way to correct ESL persons’ grammar online.

  • @morgant.dulaman8733
    @morgant.dulaman8733 Před 21 dnem +3

    Sauron as a spirit: "Easterlings. I should have sent Easterlings."

  • @learneroflore7963
    @learneroflore7963 Před měsícem +31

    I get so excited when I see new content on your channel!!
    Pause, prep drink & snacks aaannndd buckle in for AWESOME TOLKIEN!
    Thank you for all you do here !!

    • @Dr_Cole
      @Dr_Cole Před měsícem

      His releases are the only ones where I specifically make time to ensure I can experience the release uninterrupted and in comfort for what I am sure will be an epic tale and an epic storytelling.

  • @Zenocrate
    @Zenocrate Před 9 dny +1

    It gladdens even the coldest, most withered Norse(wo)man's heart to find a video from the indisputable best interpreter and untangler of Tolkien on CZcams! Thank you for all this brilliance - and for the occasional laugh: "...and go back to being awful in the dark."

  • @strick405
    @strick405 Před měsícem +8

    It's always a delight to hear about Tolkien's sidenotes alongside the tale. i never mentioned how I really appreciate the title of this channel - it's perfect. ♥

  • @PleaseNThankYou
    @PleaseNThankYou Před měsícem +10

    A masterpiece of things that I didn't know. So glad to have you around rainbow Dave!

  • @antarfodoh
    @antarfodoh Před měsícem +20

    I have this whole head canon about Orcs in the far east who rebelled, which I just cannot stop thinking about and expanding upon. The various notes and writings I've put together over the years could never be published before I die, but I like to think that some day they could become part of the expanded unfinished tales... One can dream, anyway.

    • @EgoEroTergum
      @EgoEroTergum Před měsícem +8

      Shaaaare.

    • @antarfodoh
      @antarfodoh Před měsícem +16

      @@EgoEroTergum Okay, fine. But only because if the 4th "a" in your request 😂 Here are some of my notes and timeline...
      Free Orcs of the East
      Names:
      - To Orcs: Fell Orcs
      - To Men: High Orcs
      - To Elves: Fair Orcs "Vanimorco" (Vanimo is Quenya for "fair)
      - After the fall of Doriath in year 509 of the First Age, Eluréd and Elurín are rescued by a small group of Avari called the Ymonyä (derived from "imin") from the East. Eluréd is gradually healed but Elurín succumbs to his wounds
      - The Ymonyä speak a derived and unique version of Quenya, residing near Cuiviénen
      - Eluréd settles with the Ymonyä, taking a wife, influencing their culture with his teachings from the west, teaching them Sindarin
      - Eluréd and Elurín were never found by their people and were presumed to have perished in the forest.
      - SA 1600 The Blue Wizards travel east to prepare the Free Peoples of Middle Earth for the coming Darkness, sowing rebellion and resistance
      - Free Orcs are "founded" in the 5th year of the Third Age, after the defeat of Sauron, by Orcs wanting to seize their freedom and realizing now was their chance, further encouraged by an encounter with the Blue Wizards
      - Formerly a far eastern stronghold of Mordor, defending the east during the battle of the Last Alliance, by TA 1,000 they had developed a stable free society based on honour and battle, resisting the wild forces of Mordor in the east
      - The early years were filled with savagery and infighting against those that feared rebellion against the Dark Lords, but the Free Orcs quickly establish a violent and brutal, yet fair and free society
      - Commanded by a Chieftan, the Free Orcs were devided into three major houses. Leadership (Chief) was generally hereditary, but could be earned (by challenge, great deeds, vote). The three major houses were descended from the Orc Captain and Lieutenants who led the rebellion in TA 5
      - In TA 1980, Elmírion (granddaughter of Eluréd) and her cousin Elahír, along with their 12 fellow Ymonyä companions are attacked by wild Orcs, while patrolling the wilds of the east. Elmírion, Elahír, and their 6 surviving companions are chased further east by the assailing Orcs and are rescued by Chief Argrol and his Free Orc warriors
      - In TA 1983, Elmírion becomes the first and only Queen of the Free Orcs when she marries Chief Argrol, giving birth to four children, and ruling in his place long after his passing. Elmírion and the Elves enrich Free Orc society, sharing many of their ways and teachings, including the Ymonyä and Sindarin languages
      - By TA 2100, Eluréd married a surviving Ymonyä companion, while the two remaining Elves took an Orc husband and wife, respectively
      - Queen Elmírion is killed in 2379, during an attack by Orcs, and rule falls to her Grandson, (now)High Chief Elgrol of the House of Argrol, whose descendants rule for the next 7 centuries as High Chieftans, never again taking the title of King or Queen, in deference to Queen Elmírion
      - By TA 2800 The Free Orcs number approximately 6,000 (2 Elves, ~5,300 mixed ~700 Orcs), speaking a derived version of the black speech, heavily influenced by the Ymonyä and Sindarin languages
      - By TA 3021, their numbers have dwindled to

    • @EgoEroTergum
      @EgoEroTergum Před měsícem +2

      @antarfodoh Mmmmm. Yep. That's the good stuff.
      Creative, source respectful, developed timeline.
      I love it. Keep it up, and get like a World Anvil page or something for it. 👌

    • @antarfodoh
      @antarfodoh Před měsícem +1

      @@EgoEroTergum Oh wow, thank you so much! I tried to keep thinks tied to the source material, if only tangentially, since that's how Tolkien seemed to do things, while not contradicting anything from established lore. I hadn't heard of World Anvil before and just gave it a look though. I may have to look into it further!
      Thank you so very much for your kind words though!

    • @vc1396
      @vc1396 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@antarfodoh really well thought out, mate. Well done and keep going

  • @paulgalligan1916
    @paulgalligan1916 Před měsícem +10

    Was just wondering what I'd listen to before bed... then Boom 💥 Rainbow dave with the goods again right on time , Yes 🎉

  • @louisebrouillette5580
    @louisebrouillette5580 Před měsícem +4

    Thank you, Rainbow Dave, for this close look into the minds of orcs. Even after many readings (in over 50 years), I had not really thought that the orcs of Moria were part of the alliance. You always give us more to think about. Until next time!

  • @ilijas3041
    @ilijas3041 Před 28 dny +2

    With this passion bro has for LOTR he could narrate about two hobbits pulling the bucket of water out of the well, and make it sound like the most action-packed mystery fueled thriller out there. As long as the bucket has Made in ME label

  • @Dr_Cole
    @Dr_Cole Před měsícem +3

    There really is no part of your videos that is not utterly fantastic. Your knowledge of all things Tolkien is unparalleled. Your story crafting of these videos goes far beyond simply sharing Tolkien’s craft but makes me certain your book(s) will be truly fantastic, and your use of the video medium is virtuosic. I mean, the simplicity of using three different icons whenever you’re discussing one of the three bands of orcs as a means of aiding the viewer in keeping track of who you are discussing is a brilliant use of iconography.
    Thank you for bringing another sermon to your House of the Rainbow.

  • @davidmiddleton7958
    @davidmiddleton7958 Před měsícem +2

    During Tolkien's The Hobbit, the Orcs of the Misty Mountains certainly allied together. With Thorin Oakenshield's party eascaping the Misty Mountains, this stirred an alliance of tribes! Some of these were survivors of the Dwarf Wars.

  • @Aure-entuluva
    @Aure-entuluva Před měsícem +5

    Best channel on CZcams, Tolkien or otherwise, Dave yours is the best. Beside The Why Files, your channel is what I most look forward to on this platform. Be proud of your work because it has a profound impact on many. You are loved, your passion is loved, and your work is most loved.

  • @hueytlatoani1177
    @hueytlatoani1177 Před měsícem +4

    I'm waiting for my family so we can seat on the couch to watch the video.
    Thanks Dave.

  • @drankin_barry6005
    @drankin_barry6005 Před měsícem +5

    Thank you kindly Dave!

  • @user-sd7ri9fy4i
    @user-sd7ri9fy4i Před měsícem +5

    Awesome thank you. Nice work dude

  • @shabzstarchintu1211
    @shabzstarchintu1211 Před měsícem +7

    So glad you are back!!!!!

  • @chrischapman2879
    @chrischapman2879 Před měsícem +5

    Many thanks. These are amazing ❤

  • @oobthis
    @oobthis Před měsícem +3

    My absolute favorite videos......thank you 😊

  • @haleyschreiter9746
    @haleyschreiter9746 Před měsícem +2

    Thank you for breaking all this down for us, RD!

  • @chrischapman2879
    @chrischapman2879 Před měsícem +3

    Bank holiday weekend and a new TU video. Thank you Rainbow Dave. These make my life better. X

  • @EricGasz69420
    @EricGasz69420 Před měsícem +1

    Damn bro, just finished rereading this part of the two towers! Great timing on the video! Love all your stuff!!!

  • @EnygmaRecords
    @EnygmaRecords Před měsícem +1

    Every one of your videos continues to offer incredible insight whilst also being be an absolute delight to watch!
    Thank you for all your hard work!

  • @christopherbaby3842
    @christopherbaby3842 Před měsícem +2

    2nd comment for the algo. Not that you're running out of Tolkein content but... I cannot get over how epic your 2nd age TV show would be so I'm again asking for a "pilot" episode breakdown possibly as a collab with TV show writers dialogue people etc.

  • @AhSageHumor
    @AhSageHumor Před měsícem

    Masterfully written! Thank you Dave!

  • @roberthaynes488
    @roberthaynes488 Před měsícem

    So thankful for the videos you make, Rainbow Dave

  • @JB-wj5ye
    @JB-wj5ye Před měsícem +1

    thanks RD, always enjoy these

  • @christopherbaby3842
    @christopherbaby3842 Před měsícem +1

    This was amazing as always.

  • @GreyPilgrim_Mithrandir
    @GreyPilgrim_Mithrandir Před měsícem +1

    Excellent. As always. Thank you so much.

  • @CampNou1999
    @CampNou1999 Před 10 dny

    Amazed that there is even content to make still to this day
    before being amazed at how you make it

  • @MysticChronicles712
    @MysticChronicles712 Před měsícem +1

    I'm blown away by how awesome and insightful this content is

  • @stevejohnson2749
    @stevejohnson2749 Před 14 dny

    Insightful as usual and extremely enjoyable! Thank you for informing us and entertaining!

  • @veronicasiegfried2712
    @veronicasiegfried2712 Před měsícem

    I absolutely love the way you explain things we wonder about. Thank you for all the time you put into your work.💖

  • @EeanWooo-to9kd
    @EeanWooo-to9kd Před měsícem +1

    Really interesting Dave of Many Colours, thank you :) always enjoy your vids!

  • @NuTfielDRobErT
    @NuTfielDRobErT Před měsícem +1

    That was the best start to my Friday morning drive to work. Thanks mate 👍

  • @gandalfthepotato9844
    @gandalfthepotato9844 Před měsícem +2

    This account is so underrated it amazes me

  • @ZeepDr
    @ZeepDr Před 13 dny

    Your work is so amazing!! Thank you!! Thank you!!!!

  • @RiccoDisfaktism
    @RiccoDisfaktism Před měsícem +1

    I can tell you’ve been diligently reading “Tolkien Studies”, and especially the special issue focused on the Chronology ❤️ the amount of information we get there is simply exhilarating, and it actually lets us see a “story behind the story”. I’m sure you’ll use it for other videos too! Much love, mellon nîn, your content is top-notch as usual! The way in which you manage to let scholarship, artistry and storyelling skills coexist is simply unparallelled, and I wish we had someone like you in the Italian Tolkiendom!

  • @sdev2749
    @sdev2749 Před měsícem

    Great video explanation of these Orc movements - so good to see

  • @DamonNomad82
    @DamonNomad82 Před 15 dny

    As one who has been a Tolkien fan since age 6 and was a college freshman when the first of the Peter Jackson movies was released (thus my knowledge of the universe is based on the original books rather than the films), I was always fascinated by the story arc you addressed here. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one whose favorite orc is Ugluk. The films severely reduced his role in favor of "Lurtz", who wasn't even a character created by Tolkien. I also must say that you have the perfect voice to narrate the video. It's somehow relaxing and unsettling at the same time!

  • @pnut2552
    @pnut2552 Před měsícem +1

    Rainbow Dave, your channel is my favorite!!! I love how passionate you tell the stories and how interesting you make them all seem, no matter if its a long tale or a short one!! Your hard work is appreciated! I look forward to every video my brotha!!

  • @astridchladek1927
    @astridchladek1927 Před měsícem

    But thank you so much for gifting us with so many uncommon and surprising angles to the wonderful story!

  • @Gorlim_the_Unhappy
    @Gorlim_the_Unhappy Před měsícem +2

    The King has Returned, in all his rainbow glory! Much love brotha!

  • @nateperkins9860
    @nateperkins9860 Před měsícem

    Always happy to get these awesome videos

  • @MrMojoRisin13
    @MrMojoRisin13 Před měsícem +1

    Fantastic. I think I'd need to watch it again just to really get everything that went on!

  • @SunnyCida
    @SunnyCida Před měsícem +1

    Seeing a new Tolkien Untangled vid pop up always makes my day! Fantastic video RD ❤
    I was always frustrated with the hobbits for running away like that, but I never considered how important it was to the fight.

  • @13RBruce
    @13RBruce Před 26 dny

    Thanks you so much for making these videos, they are amazing!

  • @user-xu6ox2rq4p
    @user-xu6ox2rq4p Před měsícem +1

    Awesome content. I've been a tolkien nerd fot ages and it is so cool to still learn new things.

  • @victorianguyen6620
    @victorianguyen6620 Před měsícem +1

    So nice that you uploaded today! Im always looking forward to Tolkien Untangled aka DAVE! Yay! Thank you for this video which Ive just started to watch. Its almost 12am in Jersey, but tomorrow is Friday so I give myself some slack. Looking forward to the showdown!❤😊

  • @user-ez5py3le9c
    @user-ez5py3le9c Před 28 dny

    I just have to tell you that you’re the reason I discovered Tolkien’s Legendiarium beyond LOTR. I saw your playlists and learned about the Silmarillion and was hooked. I’ve now read it multiple times and have a lifelong love (obsession really) with everything Tolkien. I can’t thank you enough!!

  • @tscarb
    @tscarb Před měsícem +1

    Nicely done!!!!!

  • @runninblue9415
    @runninblue9415 Před měsícem +1

    Really engaging and well thought out. Much more engaging than the usual 10 minute CZcams "this is orcs" videos thanks 👍

  • @cortexiphan972
    @cortexiphan972 Před měsícem

    Man, I love your channel, and I would love to see a tolkien tv series of this kind of "b-side" stories.

  • @tarynolyvia
    @tarynolyvia Před měsícem +1

    Always a great day when Rainbow Dave posts a video!

  • @MythicTales993
    @MythicTales993 Před měsícem

    Absolutely captivating! This video delves into the intricacies of alliances forged in darkness, offering a fascinating exploration of the dynamics between Mordor, Isengard, and the Misty Mountains. It's a chilling reminder of the power of unity, even among the most sinister forces. Brilliantly crafted and deeply thought-provoking

  • @simonbrosseau1783
    @simonbrosseau1783 Před měsícem +1

    A Tolkien Untangled video on a Thursday, such a pleasant surprise !

  • @mlebrooks
    @mlebrooks Před měsícem

    Thank you for explaining the various factions of the orcs so clearly

  • @Vohtwomax
    @Vohtwomax Před měsícem

    Absolutely best channel on the tube. I’m working my way through the Turin saga again 😅 I think it might also be time to rock out Dave’s take on how rings of power should have been. Cheers!

  • @tidcooney6273
    @tidcooney6273 Před měsícem +1

    Thank you, Dave x

  • @sevenroses8488
    @sevenroses8488 Před měsícem

    Hey Dave, your content is superb. I'd love to hear your take on the fall of Gondolin.
    Thanks for all the work you put in.

  • @paulemge9156
    @paulemge9156 Před měsícem

    One of my top 2 Tolkien CZcamsrs!

  • @egoborder3203
    @egoborder3203 Před měsícem +2

    was it skill that guided the arrow, or fate? As they say in baseball, "it's better to be the instrument of Ilúvatar than good"

  • @ryanmcwilliams8784
    @ryanmcwilliams8784 Před měsícem +1

    I just finished the chapter where merry and pippin hang out with quick beam. It’s crazy this video came out today lol.

  • @Jesserd95
    @Jesserd95 Před 20 dny

    Dave, you have no idea how amazing it is how you take all sorts of different Tolkien sources and forge them into thorough and comprehensive accounts like these. For me, you are the true successor of Christopher Tolkien; newly editing J.R.R.'s works for the era of the internet, in a way that no one else comes close to.

  • @terryschappert2397
    @terryschappert2397 Před 12 dny

    What a great video!

  • @jdatkin8601
    @jdatkin8601 Před měsícem

    Yes, my favourite group given a highlight by my favourite Tolkien channel!

  • @matthewdavis5530
    @matthewdavis5530 Před měsícem +1

    Love me grog, love me killin', love me destruction.
    'Ate elves, 'ate tarks.

  • @astridchladek1927
    @astridchladek1927 Před měsícem

    Glorious time when a 🌈Dave video waits for me every other night! Sorry I missed my thanks last time… trying to make up for it now! Thank you for your creativity! Looking sooooo fwd to Gondolin, though🥳🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

  • @michaellovecat
    @michaellovecat Před měsícem +1

    Dave, I'm curious what you would be in Middle-Earth, your voice is as graceful as an elf but you're definitely as chill as a hobbit, maybe a elf that settled in the shire somewhere lol
    Great video, I love those baddies

  • @Zenocrate
    @Zenocrate Před 9 dny

    The moments in the books where Tolkien grants us some orc-on-orc action are unreasonably funny, gruesome and darn entertaining - whether that be the kerfuffling between the Mordor orcs and Saruman's Uruk-Hai, or the 'internal office dispute' that erupts around the captured Frodo, or the two scouts that Sam or Frodo overhear discussing the war.

  • @Cheddarcheesemonkey
    @Cheddarcheesemonkey Před měsícem +1

    HES BACK

  • @MrARock001
    @MrARock001 Před měsícem +23

    Just wanted to shout out how much grief the orcs put Tolkien through: On the one hand, he wanted a villainous race to stand in for all the evils he saw in the world, complete with their own twisted and corrupted cultures and habits, but on the other hand, he wanted it to be morally justifiable for the heroes to slay them indiscriminately.
    Now, a more secular author might have shrugged at this and not lost a night's sleep, but apparently the idea, for Tolkien, that there could be an intrinsically evil sentient race, as his stories often demanded, presented an intractable paradox: how could Eru create such a people, irredeemably evil from birth? And if they weren't irredeemably evil, then how could the heroes be justified in slaughtering them without mercy?
    He twisted and flip-flopped on whether they truly had souls (Fëa) or whether they were just beasts who had learned to mimic sentience. But I find it fascinating that he basically wrote himself accidentally into confronting a theodicy: he had to explain why a good god would create a world with inherent evil. He wrestled with a problem in fiction that philosophers and theologians have been wrestling with for centuries.

    • @michaelsmyth3935
      @michaelsmyth3935 Před měsícem

      Melkor

    • @christopherbaby3842
      @christopherbaby3842 Před měsícem +2

      Apologists gonna apologize. Even in a Catholic world without allegory the paradox rears its head. It would be fun for a secular author to look to nature for this quality. Explain weasels who break into a chicken run and kill every hen without taking a bite. Fisher cats are the worst. Allegedly, I don't live in New England. I'm sure someone's explored it I only really read the popular stuff.
      Anyways I don't think it's too much of a leap to find insidiousness in nature "red in tooth and claw". Humans are just such a new and overwhelmingly dominant apex creature that the idea of something like orcs only exists in our deep subconscious. Just rambling here, thank you for your wonderful comment.

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil Před měsícem

      I think the problem exists because Eru is not the God of the Bible. We have no proof that Hell exists. If Orcs come from Men, then they probably receive the Gift along with Men. If they come from Elves, they will just be stuck in the Halls of Mandos until the Dagor Dagorath. And after that war is over, who knows?

    • @c.antoniojohnson7114
      @c.antoniojohnson7114 Před 21 dnem

      The Orcs are part of Morgoth's ring, which is middle earth itself.

  • @anakinlapierre-tate4127
    @anakinlapierre-tate4127 Před měsícem

    Omg I get off work and check my phone, first thing I see new video from rainbow Dave. LET'S FUCKEN GOOOOOO

  • @Orovingwen
    @Orovingwen Před měsícem +1

    I love the insights in Orc culture.
    One of the things I always wondered is why the moria Orcs would not just return home. They have no business with the ring and why would they want to see Saruman? Wouldn't it be better for them to go back the way they came with more shadow on the way to Moria than through the open plains of Rohan where the sun burns them?
    I can see why you like these two Orcs the best but I personally prefer the two captains Frodo&Sam meet, those who just want to get away from it all and don't care about the war :D

  • @davidkaplan2745
    @davidkaplan2745 Před měsícem

    Masterfully told.

  • @adnananjum2919
    @adnananjum2919 Před měsícem +1

    Great video! Opens a interesting question, what would happen if a orc like Grishnak had managed to find the one ring, would he keep with loyalty to Sauron or would it change/corrupt him

  • @GreatGreebo
    @GreatGreebo Před 23 dny

    Thank you *Rainbow Dave* 🤘

  • @the4thamigo
    @the4thamigo Před 7 dny

    Fn excellent bro

  • @TheHoneyBadger-yh5vj
    @TheHoneyBadger-yh5vj Před měsícem

    God bless you and your work sir 😇😇😇respect from Croatia 👍👍👍

  • @willmosse3684
    @willmosse3684 Před 4 dny

    Sooooooo good man!

  • @user-wm7qx6ny4k
    @user-wm7qx6ny4k Před měsícem

    You are my favorite youtuber

  • @MrARock001
    @MrARock001 Před měsícem +1

    I feel like the orcs get a bad rap for all the chaos and for confusing Sauron. But he never told them what it was they were looking for, because he didn't trust them. And frankly, it was the Nazgûl who bear most of the blame, since they saw clearly that there were four hobbits leaving Bree and could have mentioned to Sauron that because only two were captured, there was only a 50% chance the Ring was in orc hands.

  • @tommoseley3120
    @tommoseley3120 Před 23 dny

    Hi Dave any plans to do a post about Helm Hammerhand & Hera what with the films release this December

  • @ahandsomefridge
    @ahandsomefridge Před měsícem

    Ha! I never knew about the different motivations of the different orc types (or I shamefully forgot if part of it was mentioned in the LOTR books). Great piece of lore to come upon, haven't seen it mentiomed on other lore channels yet.

  • @simonkenna1990
    @simonkenna1990 Před měsícem +1

    Just in time for bed , thank you 😴

  • @laurenbernstein621
    @laurenbernstein621 Před měsícem +1

    A master study of the self defeating nature of evil

  • @thatcrossfitdude
    @thatcrossfitdude Před měsícem +1

    Can’t believe I’d be so excited about a video on Orcs 😂😂😂😂
    Rainbow Dave has arrived, ladies and gents!
    PS- I’m trying really hard to keep my urge about War of Wrath down😅

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil Před měsícem

      The War of Wrath lasted for 45-50 years. We don't know for sure which Valar and Maiar were included in The Host of the Valar. Perhaps 🌈 Dave should do a video on the War of Wrath.

    • @thatcrossfitdude
      @thatcrossfitdude Před 28 dny +1

      Can you imagine if he pulls it off like he did for How ROP should’ve been made? It’s gonna be crazy 😝

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike6883 Před měsícem

    Been a long time Mellon

  • @JRRichards123
    @JRRichards123 Před měsícem +1

    I’m confused how this scheme of orc nations melds with the hobbit goblins and the battle of five army orcs. Any chance we could hear that?

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 Před měsícem

    Ugluk may well have been an Uruk Hai, but he did fight with bravery like a man to the death.

  • @emmamaina
    @emmamaina Před 8 dny

    I think ill aim to make a fan revamp of your intro if youll have me(for fun😅)

  • @pkhjdlkfjandljfn
    @pkhjdlkfjandljfn Před 23 dny

    Lol, the whole of the Rohan Riders are absolute units! Especially Eomer's company. Harassing the Orcs throughout the night, pinned, basically some psychological warfare tactics, shock and awe! Then obliterating them at sunrise...knowing they're weaker just clashes with em! Eomer is him! Freaking cool details

    • @c.antoniojohnson7114
      @c.antoniojohnson7114 Před 21 dnem

      Eomer is basically Eol the young reincarnated. So many similarities.

  • @glenarth
    @glenarth Před dnem

    He couldve just waited until gandalf brings him the ring bearer

  • @Raeinok
    @Raeinok Před 21 dnem

    Eventually an Orc rises to become a powerful warboss and they go on a WAAAGH. Tale as old as time.

  • @astridchladek1927
    @astridchladek1927 Před měsícem

    Danke!

  • @ulvegutten2056
    @ulvegutten2056 Před 11 dny

    What is this rendition, the dramatic in the voice....dude, it just Tolkien, not the reading the morning paper for the queen 😂😂😂😂😂🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧❤❤❤❤❤

  • @vincentwerts4724
    @vincentwerts4724 Před 28 dny

    I just reread this part of Lord of the Rings. I knew about Mordor and Isengard, but I didn't know there were orcs from Moria too.

  • @MrBrianbeyer
    @MrBrianbeyer Před měsícem +2

    hell yeah, it’s a rainbow dave kinda day!