I’m happy that FSD gives your friend an option, but to be clear and correct an error you just made that may spread through the internet like a wildfire: the inward facing camera is not connected to a global network beyond that which you give it access to (the internet, and an internal view of your car as viewed through Live Camera on the Tesla app of your phone). Outside of that, images/video from the camera are not distributed beyond your previously given consent
The school zone thing is one of the pain points I'm experiencing. I live in a school zone with 3 schools back to back, and FSD ignores the speed and doesn't even bother to stop for a school bus when it's blinking red. I agree it's summer and it's hard to test that part now, but I'm really hoping that is fixed.
@Peter-qz8qs there's a chance it doesn't though so definitely best to just navigate school/construction/hazard areas manually for the time being. Also still not sure they have fixed the inability to distinguish a white trailer from an overcast sky (the run under incident from a few years ago). It has faults, not unlike a new driver who might not know how to react appropriately in a given "non standard" situation. And apparently according to musk they still need more compute to be reliable. But 5x more compute than hardware 4 is hard to fathom how much more inference power they might need to get to full autonomy. Hopefully they can fit AI5 into the same package as HW3/4 so they can retrofit.
@@Peter-qz8qs Agreed but the fact that they sometime road cross just in front of the bus makes it piratically impossible to properly intervene, human and AI alike.
I was on FSD (3.6) and got pulled over doing 39 in 30 (auto speed) going through a small rural community that’s known for its speed enforcement. I only got a Warning but I wanted to test how FSD would handle it. I didn’t tell the officer “The car was driving, not me” 😂 I probably would’ve gotten a ticket with that excuse.
I have seen soooo many videos where fairly critical information or images get hidden by the pop-over video reccs. Most videos should add 10 seconds of fade-out to make it easier to pause and click (more of their content) before the end-roll ads show up.
I think it would be a terrible idea to roll out a version prematurely at this stage. My guess is that 12.4.1 had some deal breaking issues and we all know that there are people out there who don't understand how to be responsible. All eyes are on Tesla and it only takes one incident to undermine years of effort.
Exactly. A lot of people don't want to be on the bleeding edge, and rolling out a version with regressions would hurt Tesla's reputation when it comes to FSD
Dirty Tesla I really appreciate your clear and concise summaries. At the end if you are able to compare safety critical disengagements that would be awesome 😊
@@DerekDavis213 I would have to disagree. You haven't seen the drivers where I live. I'm still on 12.3.6 and IT, with all it's myriad flaws, is better than 90+% of the drivers around me almost every time.
@@shannon6876 The average human driver can go years between accidents. FSD cannot drive for even 1 hour on a challenging route, without human assistance. FSD is NOTHING like a human driver.
Chris, at 18:00, it's mistakenly obeying the red light for the left turning lane. You see it on the screen and it goes green and the car accelerates again. I don't think it has anything to do with the yellow flashing lights. (At least I think that's for the left turning lane. That's a pretty strange traffic light setup there!)
I think disengagements should be categorized by Personal Preference intervention (This isnt the way "I" would drive eg. speeding on the 45 mph zone), Uncomfortable intervention (Incorrect decision though not safety critical eg. yielding at the flashing yellow) and Safety critical intervention. I think these 3 categories will present more data showing comfort increasing overtime as well as the safety increases.
@@DerekDavis213 No, it doesn't mean the same thing. There's MILLIONS of drivers out there who don't crash, but we certainly wouldn't be comfortable at all.
@@DerekDavis213 _FSD cannot compare to a human being._ Teslas with FSD engaged have driven a total of 1.3 billion miles. According to data recently released by NHTSA, a single fatality has been associated with Teslas driving these 1.3 billion miles with FSD engaged. Meanwhile, again according to data released by NHTSA-not Tesla-average drivers driving 1.3 billion miles would experience about 15 fatalities. So clearly FSD (Supervised) is orders of magnitude safer that average drivers. _The average human driver is MUCH more skilled than the buggy beta FSD software._ This makes it clear that you're afflicted with the same misconception the vast majority of irrational FSD-haters are-that driving skills are the greatest predictor of ADS or ADAS safety. But that couldn't be farther from the truth. The best predictor is actually dangerous behaviors by drivers, usually deliberate, are the source of most accidents, and which ADASs or ADSs would seldom if ever be guilty of. These include drivers texting while driving; other distracted driving; drunk and drug-impaired driving; road rage; fatigue; falling asleep at the wheel; medical emergencies; running red/yellow lights and stop signs; wrong-way driving; following too closely; unsafe lane changes; speeding; street racing; reckless driving; loss of control; and probably several other categories I haven't thought of. I agree that FSD will never be perfect, and may never even approach the performance of a reasonably skilled, engaged human driver. But by eliminating or dramatically reducing entire categories of accidents and fatalities, FSD and its counterparts at other companies can paradoxically achieve a much higher overall record of safety, even while being similarly or less skilled than an average human driver.
@@BigBen621 Millions or billions of miles in your statement means *nothing* because the simpleminded FSD software requires 100 percent human supervision at all times. Nobody wants to Supervise a flawed FSD software that makes frequent mistakes on challenging drives .
I pretty much disengage on every road trip when I get to reduced speeds in cities. Dropping the speed setting or waiting doesn't slow the car fast enough any more. A speed trap would have got me this last weekend.
On the “little move over” there was paint or water or some kind of markings/reflections in the lane that confused it thinking it was a turn only (that’s my interpretation watching it back)
I am using 12.3.6 more than any previous version - no question it has improved. But it now misses exit turns off the expressway (sometimes changing out of right hand lane 1-2 miles before the exit, then waiting too long to move over. It also still will not merge into the right lane when entering the highway until the entrance lane closes up, and in heavy traffic it appears to be cutting people off. It does the opposite for merging traffic into the right lane, cutting cars off that have little room left in the lane. I don’t recall earlier versions of FSD/highway doing this.
I guess it's because you are most likely looking at the screen when you are not looking at the road. And where else could it display the warning anyway?
@@andrasbiro3007 On a dashboard display behind the steering wheel? Automakers several decades ago developed ways to convey info to the driver in ways that were easy to consult. Putting a screen where Teslas generally have them, intended for driver use, is just weird (as a Tesla owner).
My Model S dings me all the time like that when I’m watching the road I miss the messages at the bottom of the screen in tiny font. When I’m reading the font it tells me to watch the road. Round and round we go.
@@bearcubdaycare that’s often stated. But in practice the larger screen is far more efficient and easier to read at a glance. Why? Because with the gauges/display directly behind the steering wheel, you have to refocus your eyes momentarily to read the gauges, and then refocus on the road. Give it a try if you’re in doubt. Whereas the center display can be read immediately at glance since it’s already in your field of view-and with the road and traffic remaining in view. I was talking about the Tesla with my optometrist (he was going to be an astronaut at one point, but his PhD adviser went to the ISS instead). Brilliant individual. He autocompleted the same point before I could finish.
@@MrNiceGuy485That’s true, but if there is no other vehicles to pace, it should conservatively stay within a 5 over buffer. Most officers will give you that. 10 or more you will get pulled over if you are the only car on the road.
i'm european, and we have stricter regulations and enforcement here. i'd love tesla to offer us the option to have offset for speed when we go over a certain speed and stricter within city limit or 25/40 miles per hour type of areas.. tesla could just bring us that option that would be ideal for us because i got a ticket in switzerland for being 2km/h above on day and that just sucks to be slowed and pulled over for such thing..
You can. He and most testers are using automatic speed limit control. You can still use the old offset system. However it only limits max speed not minimum though
@@chengcao418 there is only one offset and it is a percentage now. He is asking for separate offsets for highway and city. Especially if it is going to be a percentage. 20% of 20mph means i go 24mph. 20% of 65mph means im gonna go 78mph?
@@chengcao418 i see, i think i'd like something like Bob-p9d said, we would have the choice to do two offset, like 0 to 80 offset will be 3km/h above (whatever that is in percent) and 80 to 130km/h offset to be 5-8km/h above. i just basically don't want a ticket from our cops or speed check radar.. so far what i've tested with my brand new model y is pretty good but random halucination and slowing down for no reasons.
That Slowdown with the cyclist was possibly because a lot of people, like myself, slow down when passing them to reduce dust in their face. Depends if its in the training data that way a lot
Chris, I think the reason they use the "end speed zone" signs is because usually that means it reverts to a statewide standard speed limit. Imagine state legislators decide to change the default rural speed limit from 55mph to 60 mph for example. If actual speed limit signs were used, those signs would have to be replaced everywhere. By using the end speed zone sign, it just means the speed limit reverts back to the default, and a change to the default speed limit wouldn't necessitate changing all of those signs.
This is probably the best argument I have seen for this practice, and I still think it's bogus. Leaving my town, this sign is used. The road is a divided 4 lane road in California. Using the proposed logic of the state minimum speed limit should be 60 to 70 MPH due to road type. However, 1 mile down the road, there is a 50 MPH sign. 50 MPH is even slower than the county road limit of 55 MPH so the road user has zero chance of guessing the correct speed. What makes it even worse is the same road on the other side of town is 65 MPH. So when you get through the town you would think the End sign means go back to that. IMO, this is, at best it a scheme to get non locals with speeding tickets. At worst, it is dangerous since the people could be doing 20MPH over the actual speed limit. Since California law says 4 lane roads range from 60 to 70 MPH. The result of the logic proposed is that the gov is allowed to be lazy about posting appropriate speed markings. The reality is that they shouldn't be. If the speed changes, the signs need to change. In my towns example, if a sign stating the correct speed was used, there would not be a mile of road that is marked improperly.
@@aaronb7990 I don't disagree with you or Chris--it's certainly unclear and confusing. It's just that my best guess is that this was done as a cost-saving measure.
I still think tech like FSD will illuminate the wrongness of traffic issues, and could potentially score them for review by authorities in the future since they can’t figure it out themselves.
@splashmaker2 Same! Fading road markings, blind intersections, obstructed stop signs, incorrect speed signs. Dedicated AI systems meant to track maintenance items and appropriate repair resources are getting close to being a reality. Current systems still rely heavily on human input in most cases. As AI capabilities increase the reliability of things like transport and energy systems, we will finally see things start operating logically.
Hi Chris! The first blinking yellow was a single light that was blinking. The second one was a single blinking red which you thought was going to be a blinking yellow but the car correctly stopped for the red one where it drove through the first one which was yellow. Later, where it had some hesitancy it was where the device was like a regular light. So, a yellow can flash on and then normally go to red so the car has to determine whether it is going to operate normally or if the signal is going to do more yellow blinks. I think that actually is pretty impressive. Also, I have a MYP and was shocked at your kWh numbers. I only get numbers like that if I am doing about 30mph. But, I am going to review that on my next drive. Regards, Bill
12:36 passing lane. Thank you! From Grand Rapids, I too have been reporting that as well, so many times via the verbal intervention. I feel FSD was good for multiple lanes, more than two. FSD would stay out of the far right lane for exit and vehicles entering the highway. FSD would and ride the middle lanes. However here in Michigan with mostly two lanes, it is required to stay in the right lane unless passing. Glad to hear FSD is moving out of the passing lane.
8:25 I think it's important to do what everyone else does. I just drove across 28 states and they're all pretty much the same: 20: 22 25: 34 30: 38 35: 44 40: 48 45: 53 50: 60 55: 65 60: 70 65: 76 70: 81 75: 80-85 (these higher speeds depend on the car)
Glad to see that long drive almost intervention free, but if a student driver is behind you or a distracted driver and the Tesla brakes for yellow, your in for a suprise. My FSD 12.4.2 experience is slightly better that previous, but I still see wonky/jerky movements on exiting off ramps, on highways which has not been improved in years. This ramp behavior is basically random since it can be smooth at some exits and crazy jerky on others. In addition, FSD STILL stays in the merge lane till the bitter end on highway entrance ramps and does not provide much of an option to merge when drivers are frustrated that I do not take an effort to merge in the open lane. They get annoyed and speed up seeing that I am not going to merge, which causes an intervention for me, since I would be on the side of the highway or worse hit a barrier. I have the FSD 'Auto Speed' set to OFF and FSD STILL does not slow down in 35 mph zones from higher speeds, coasting at 48mph for a mile or two which is a speeding ticket waiting to be issued in Ohio little cities. 55mph construction zones are double fines, and does FSD recognize the speed sign, NOPE. Lastly, blinking yellow lights turn red on my MY display and hard brake, so I am accustomed to press on the accelerator when I encounter them. FSD never recognizes school zones, or End Speed Zone signs, basically I think Elon's FSD team hates slowing for school age children or small urban cities. Also, I always get a FSD "What Happened?" message when I reach my final destination and I brake or disengage to turn into the parking lot... I have blue eyes and driving without my polarized sunglasses is a no-go, so I am comfortable with occasionally touching the steering wheel.
I would really like to see someone test the incorrect reading of route signs as speed limits. We have a Route 25 which has a speed limit of 45. Where the signs alternate. Without the automatic speed option turned on, it will drastically slow down. We even have a location where it will interpret a US highway sign 30 which will also be interpreted as a speed limit
The speed limit problem where it does no obey the limit is a deal breaker for me. This makes no sense. What if I get pulled over? I blame it on the computer? Dumb. This is something so basic, that it should just be followed.
All the Blinking Lights were single-blinking yellow or red lights. The last one it had a "problem" with was a standard light. I think FSD thought it was a yellow light about to change to red and decided to slow down.
So glad you tested at that time of day as I used to believe the angle of the sun affected cameras and caused the car to do quirky things. So you've basically laid that fear to rest…
@@youtubecommenter-on9kd no he said 10x for 12.4. Lots of Muskites wished and want him to say sth else but it was very clear in the tweet what he meant: “12.4 goes to internal release this weekend and limited external beta next week. Roughly 5X to 10X improvement in miles per intervention vs 12.3.” So it really seems like he was just making this up because where was he getting that figure from? Certainly not in testing.. 12.4.1 was even worse… 12.5 is single stack and improve in mpi as well.. “12.5 will be out in late June. Will also see a major improvement in mpi and is single stack - no more implicit stack on highways.”
@@George2647g In your very own quote of the tweet, Musk says "roughly 5x to 10x improvement". But at the start of your comment you assert that he said "10x". Roughly 5x-10x does not mean 10x. Also, statistics dictates that you cannot pick a single CZcams video and extrapolate the results of that video to a dataset of millions or billions of miles.
@@toddeburch oop! Looks like we got a musk excuser on our hands… every youtuber is mentioning interventions.. wholemars is mentioning them much more than even in the past year.. it’s nowhere near 5 or 10x.. elon made up the number as there is only one way they can know that number and that’s by internal testing.. 4.1 was even worse which is what they were using when he said it… elon just makes stuff up.. he’s been caugh lying about fsd capabilities in court… look i invested in tsla in 2009 - i know elon enough to know that he lies. You can critique a liar you dont have to make excuses for them and still invest in their company..
They didn’t roll it out cause they know that customers are almost on their last straw when it comes to elons comments on FSD. Can’t just go around claiming “thousands of miles between intervention” then release some half bake update. That’s what they have been doing the entire time and that’s why no one even cares anymore, no more wow factor, it changed from “gbt moment” to everyone just getting sick of waiting for the stuff they paid for.
Yes, people have just about lost patience in FSD, with its egregious mistakes after four years in development. Many people have just walked away from this whole feeasco .
_Can’t just go around claiming “thousands of miles between intervention” then release some half bake update._ He made no such claim; please stop lying. What he did predict was that FSD *12.4* would have 5x to 10x more miles between interventions than v12.3.6. Since v12.4 includes all point releases of v12.4, including v12.4.2, .3, .4, etc., this can't be judged until the last point release of v12.4 is released. So keep your powder dry, and come back with factual data proving that miles between interventions have or have not increased 5X from the last version of v12.3 after v12.5 is released, *That's* the time to judge his prediction; and not *long* before the final release of 12.4.
@@DerekDavis213 _Many people have just walked away from this whole feeasco [sic]._ Sorry to say, I just checked and it turns out that you just making up a claim like this and posting it online doesn't actually make it true. In fact, it's pretty clear that the vast majority of commenters on this aand similar channels are still fully engaged. If you're going to make the claim that many people have just walked away from this whole "feeasco", you;re going t have to provide some substantiating evidence.
@@BigBen621 FSD continues to be a buggy joke. I just watched an FSD video today on CZcams: it could not drive for 2 miles without a disengagement. This turkey is years away from Full Autonomy.
watching this in my model x... i was casually watching and when his screen stated flashing i wiggled my wheel out of habit lmao. im not even driving rn.
There is a reason for the in speed limit sign. The locals are complaining so much that drivers start speeding up to 55 as soon as they can see a 55 mph sign. So rather than putting in a transitional speed limit at a lower speed limit, they install the end speed limit sign.
Blinking yellow does not mean stay at the full speed limit. Most states say slow down and be prepared to yield to traffic. I think the car did fine when it slowed a tad on some...
@@Fatman305 Several reasons. First it's a difficult UPL. Second, Chuck has a drone overhead so you can see the intersection from above too so that is helpful. Third, he has a lot or credibility. He is a senior pilot with one of the major airlines. And he is articulate so people pay attention to his videos. Finally he got the attention of Elon who has committed employee resources to frequently test the UPL. It got to the point that neighbors were wondering why there were Tesla cars testing in the area since they are also testing other UPL's in his area.
@dirtytesla I have noticed that the car doesn't seem to yell at you as frequently when you are looking in the direction of the screen. If you look down and to the left further than the mirror viewpoint it seems to trigger within a few seconds.
@@andrewdubose9968 I don't want to have to watch every second that FSD is in control, to avoid a *tragedy* . I will drive the car myself, easier and safer that way .
at 15m maybe it got into the right lane because the car in the left lane was going slower, and also to keep the passing lane clear as you still have 4 miles to go. Makes sense to me. That's how I would have done it as well.
Where I am, I have my FSD set to a +14% offset for the speed limit. That's slightly too low on the low end (38 in a 35 when I would do 40) and slightly too high on the high end (79 in a 70 when I would do 75) but it's good enough that I almost never have to adjust it. With Auto Offset, I really fear for getting a ticket sometimes.
I’m sorry man I’m not trying to be rude but saying “nice to see a quick of a fix” is like insane. Blinking yellows have been “very broken” to quote you sense it’s has went into a public beta. Literally have had that issues for at least a year. “Quick of a fix” is just insane on an issues that has been around for a year. Sure sometimes it’ll go through it in the day time but saying it didn’t slam on the brakes for 2 = quick fix come on man. That issue has existed for years and willing to bet money they don’t completely fix it in this update cause they just don’t care. 🤷♂️
And I swear if someone comments “well it can be dif depending on the area you live” I’m going to lose it, one it shouldn’t matter, 2 when do y’all stop making excuses, I live like 15 min away from him (guessing obviously) drive on the same exact roads he does on a daily basis and I can tell you from my experience that costed me $6,000 it fucking sucks and I’ll record it fucking up if anyone pushes me on this. (Not you dirty Tesla) but y’all just make up lies for Tesla half the time it’s so fucked.
I did this because blinking yellows were working pretty well (not perfectly) for me for a long time. Then with 12.4.1 I got this repeatable brake stabbing/stopping, and now with 12.4.2 it is better than it was
@@DirtyTesla I trust your judgement & what you say, hopefully this didn’t come off as rude or targeted at you at all it’s just so frustrating. I don’t know how they can allow issues like that on public roads, if I did that all the time I wouldn’t have a license.
In the moment the blue line shifted left then returned the road sort of appeared to be an merge but it was just a combination of the sunlight, a line or mark in the road, and the appearance of the road narrowing up ahead. It was not what was there but it appeared that way for just a couple of moments. Minute 17:14.
I don't live there, but you can search that on youtube. But any drives just keep in mind people will say "well yeah but I want to see this drive," it's good to document a variety of conditions.
I am still on 12.3. Mostly great but HUGS THE RIGHT side of the road to a ridiculous degree. DID YOURS? I am looking at your display on this video and it seems like it sticks mostly to the center, but is it because they fixed it? Or is it a problem with my S? I don't see how it could be training differences between models 3,Y vs. S because the camera is in the center. It should be able to drive in the center of the lane. But in my car, I disengage every single time I activate FSD because I just can't stand the car hugging the right side of the lane. Especially the rural roads I drive on where the pavement distorts and falls off into a gully on the right. But even on the highways, it's embarrassing.
I have this exact same problem. I’ve reported it lots of times and I hope they fix it. Driving off the pavement into the gravel is silly when there’s plenty of space in the road if it just moved over a little bit.
You're not alone. My M3 on 12.3.6 does the same thing. Even driving on the right shoulder side rumble strips at times on 4 lane highways. And strangely this seems to occur mostly on east - west roads. Not north-south. I even tried re-calibrating my cameras. All that got me was driving over 100 miles without FSD before the calibration finished. The problem persists.
@@FatherDragonKal I wish Chris would tell us if his car did the same thing. He puts in so many hours driving, he must have a sense of it. I've heard others have the same problem. At least on this video, the graphical display shows the car well centered in the road. Let's hope they've fixed it in 12.4.
@@Dave-ei7kk I'm so glad to hear others are experiencing the same thing. I am so afraid the system is going to be trained by poor drivers. I don't mind a racing line through corners, but the car should drive the center of the lane unless it is trying to avoid something. I realize it's not full-stack, but I also can't stand on freeways how it swerves around every single large vehicle (semi trucks usually) even when they leave me tons of room. It's embarrassing. It should be able to tell if a truck is encroaching on my lane and give it extra room, but don't just swerve off the road just because the car is passing a truck. I hope Tesla isn't being trained by idiots who drive in the shoulder (like I see so many people do). There should be an overarching control that tries to choose a logical lane position based on the conditions. Is there a shoulder? What is the quality of the rightmost part of the road? Is it a narrow road? Lane markings? etc... There must be a way to train it to drive well.
@@dreamburn1 This behavior is a regression. I’ve been a FSD beta tester for over four years. And I didn’t see this behavior until version 12.3.X. That means Tesla FSD has in the past already demonstrated the ability to lane center correctly on the roadway. I expect this ability to return in a future release. Perhaps v12.4.2 solves it. I sure hope so.
I wish it would drive in the center of the dirt road like most humans who drive dirt roads do. When you see oncoming traffic, you move to the right back to your "lane". Dirt roads have lousy edges. It's so much smoother and safer to drive in the center.
I think the driver monitoring has just issues with your hands being all over the place. If you keep them down while talking, it may not have such an issue with that :)
You are getting great Wh/mi on your drives! It must be because the temperature where you are at is perfect? I'm in Texas with 96+ degree temps and I dont get Wh/mi as great as yours :(
Looks like 12.4.2 also won't be the version going wide. Rollout stopped before it even started. I don't understand the point of hyping, releasing and then ghosting releases. I'd rather wait and get a good update in time, then being told lies over and over.
The rollout was never started. This version was released to the small select group of public beta testers (Chris is one of them). The public rollout probably wouldn't start until this evening at the earliest, assuming no issues Tesla deems to be major are found.
@@toddeburch But that's my point - Elon and every single Tesla site have now announced some iteration of 12.4.x is "now going out wide" for over a month. It's just bad communications, PR, and quite frankly dev process to tell testers and clients something that just isn't so. Much like crying wolf, this doesn't create anticipation if that's what they're going for, but rather release fatigue, FOMO, disappointment, etc. I understand internal vs. external testing, alpha vs. beta vs. production, etc., but playing with words, doesn't change the fact that as of now there is no hint that us 99% will get this version any time soon, much less before the all important July 4th road trip holiday.
@@michaelbeck1445 First, you can't hold Tesla responsible for what random Tesla sites have reported. Second, I don't know of an example where Elon or Tesla has said "12.4.x is going wide". It's either "expected to go wide", or "barring any issues", or a prediction, or some issue was discovered after some Tweet. The main problem is that people take forward looking statements and treat it like gospel. It's not. It's an expectation or a prediction--not a promise or a guarantee. FSD is so incredibly complex, and such a safety-critical piece of software, that Tesla can't ever know that it's 100% good to go out until it's been tested on a large number of users over many many miles.
Source please on stopping the rollout. Consensus seems to be that v12.4.2 will go wider fairly soon but if you have information otherwise that would be great to see.
Based on the progress, do you think Tesla will solve true FSD with the current hardware setup ( HW3) or do you think more cameras and compute power is required?
I was hoping that maybe you could ask an officer to help you with a video. I would like to see how FSD would respond to emergency vehicles. Also, one behind a school bus dropping off kids. These are everyday events, and both are important.
Does this version allow you to reduce the speed without canceling out of FSD? Previous versions would allow the driver to use the right scroll wheel to step down the speed. I travel on a road that is 25mph but most people go 15 mph or 10am mph because of a lot of pedestrians/dog walkers/kids. Removing features is frustrating. Also, not jazzed about the current version 12.3.6, crossing double yellow lines and not waiting for the dashed lines to move over into an exit lane. Thanks. Been using FSD for 6 years and this recent version is much better.
The one thing I really don't like about FSD is that you cannot set the speed. I want to get the max speed and have FSD drive to that speed in situations where it is safe to do so. I'm still on 12.3.6 and it is really bad with driving way to slow, typically 5mph below speed limit. I find myself having to hit the accelerator petal way too often. Just let me set the max and drive to that speed all the time.
I am wanting the 12.5.x stack (with single stack on both on- and off-highway driving). I am hungry to see if V12.5 will fix the V11 late merging and early cutover back to travel lane after pass and other lane change issues. But of course I am hoping for more consistent and gentler stop sign braking and acceleration, especially in low traffic scenarios. Granted there may be times when I want to be back up to 30 mph before I clear the intersection, but not if I'm the only car around or on a suburban or rural street.
@@DirtyTesla You make superb videos, Chris. I've been watching you since the beginning, and I will be happy to buy (Canadian company!) Jowua's products for my upcoming M3 Performance -- to support you and Wife of DT and Little Kids of DT. ☀
@@DerekDavis213 Dude, you're commenting flat out here with contrarian and meaningless talking points. People want EVs because they're EVs, they don't want fuel cars full stop. Doesn't matter how good they are.
@@Octamed A Camry Hybrid has higher build quality, much nicer interior, and a MUCH longer range than Tesla. So easy and relaxing on a road trip. Tesla owner will waste hours on charging, and the car has no dashboard and no Turn Signal Stalk. Just awful .
@@DerekDavis213 _And even better efficiency? Camry Hybrid_ *FALSE.* You're confusing range with efficiency. A Camry Hybrid has a 13.2 gallon gas tank. A gallon of gas contains 33.7 kWh of energy, so the Camry Hybrid uses 13.2 x 33.7 = 444.9 kWh for the 630 mile range, which is 706 wH/mile, more than three times the energy consumption of the Tesla. If you just keep making stuff up and posting if as if it were actually factual, pretty soon you'll have no credibility at all!
You, Black Tesla and AI Driver are my favorite FSD reviewers!
They're great
Cyber Lyft?
I totally agree. All 3 are my favorites too
@@imtiyazazhar5878 Yeah CyberLyft is good, because it's from a different outlook of an actual uber driver and the general public
Adding CYBRLFT, subing Black Tesla and AI Driver.
I have a buddy that has no arms and doesn't care about an inward facing camera connected to a global network. He'll be thrilled with this technology.
I’m happy that FSD gives your friend an option, but to be clear and correct an error you just made that may spread through the internet like a wildfire: the inward facing camera is not connected to a global network beyond that which you give it access to (the internet, and an internal view of your car as viewed through Live Camera on the Tesla app of your phone). Outside of that, images/video from the camera are not distributed beyond your previously given consent
Ever heard of a smartphone?
Camera Is all locally processed
"global network" 😅
Hands need to be visible. Bro would be upset 😅
The school zone thing is one of the pain points I'm experiencing. I live in a school zone with 3 schools back to back, and FSD ignores the speed and doesn't even bother to stop for a school bus when it's blinking red. I agree it's summer and it's hard to test that part now, but I'm really hoping that is fixed.
Passing a red blinking school bus in my city is a $400 fine mailed to you courtesy of the cameras on the bus. Yeah - FSD needs to handle this ASAP.
@@cascadiadesign Humm! Suprised to read that the risk of getting a $400 fine seems to have more weight then running over a crossing kid.
@@michelv1827 I'd hope it would stop for a child even if it wouldn't stop for a red-blinking school bus.
@Peter-qz8qs there's a chance it doesn't though so definitely best to just navigate school/construction/hazard areas manually for the time being.
Also still not sure they have fixed the inability to distinguish a white trailer from an overcast sky (the run under incident from a few years ago).
It has faults, not unlike a new driver who might not know how to react appropriately in a given "non standard" situation.
And apparently according to musk they still need more compute to be reliable. But 5x more compute than hardware 4 is hard to fathom how much more inference power they might need to get to full autonomy.
Hopefully they can fit AI5 into the same package as HW3/4 so they can retrofit.
@@Peter-qz8qs Agreed but the fact that they sometime road cross just in front of the bus makes it piratically impossible to properly intervene, human and AI alike.
I was on FSD (3.6) and got pulled over doing 39 in 30 (auto speed) going through a small rural community that’s known for its speed enforcement. I only got a Warning but I wanted to test how FSD would handle it. I didn’t tell the officer “The car was driving, not me” 😂 I probably would’ve gotten a ticket with that excuse.
May I know what state this was in?
@@waatup You are still responsible for that.
Did you have to pull over or did the car do it?
Only talk to cops the absolute bare minimum. The more you talk to cops the more bad is coming your way.
@@dennisschlieckau8723 I have to turn auto speed off. My car is a hooligan. It goes 59 in a 45 and over 40 in a 25. It's absolutely ridiculous.
You should add a gap at the end before the other video reccs come up. Atm they pop up overtop of the stats so you can't see them.
I have seen soooo many videos where fairly critical information or images get hidden by the pop-over video reccs. Most videos should add 10 seconds of fade-out to make it easier to pause and click (more of their content) before the end-roll ads show up.
Ngl this is the best testa FSD channel I have every watched
7:15 there was debris on the right that It nudged for. Just Incredible! 🎉
i love the headcam view.
I think it would be a terrible idea to roll out a version prematurely at this stage. My guess is that 12.4.1 had some deal breaking issues and we all know that there are people out there who don't understand how to be responsible. All eyes are on Tesla and it only takes one incident to undermine years of effort.
Exactly. A lot of people don't want to be on the bleeding edge, and rolling out a version with regressions would hurt Tesla's reputation when it comes to FSD
Dirty Tesla I really appreciate your clear and concise summaries. At the end if you are able to compare safety critical disengagements that would be awesome 😊
thank you - your system assessment matters. 👍
Reducing speed is a perfectly acceptable and maybe required response to a blinking yellow light.
Not if you get rear-ended for it
@@Fatman305 I assume he means slowing to like 50 or 45
12.4.2 seems so much better than 4.1
Better, but still *nowhere* even close to a human driver. FSD is not worthy of trust, with your family .
@@DerekDavis213-I just drove from Northern California to LA with about 90% on FSD and it was fine.
@@norkisserrano 90 percent is laughable, when a human driver is 99.99 percent capable .
@@DerekDavis213 I would have to disagree. You haven't seen the drivers where I live. I'm still on 12.3.6 and IT, with all it's myriad flaws, is better than 90+% of the drivers around me almost every time.
@@shannon6876 The average human driver can go years between accidents. FSD cannot drive for even 1 hour on a challenging route, without human assistance.
FSD is NOTHING like a human driver.
Chris, at 18:00, it's mistakenly obeying the red light for the left turning lane. You see it on the screen and it goes green and the car accelerates again. I don't think it has anything to do with the yellow flashing lights. (At least I think that's for the left turning lane. That's a pretty strange traffic light setup there!)
I think disengagements should be categorized by Personal Preference intervention (This isnt the way "I" would drive eg. speeding on the 45 mph zone), Uncomfortable intervention (Incorrect decision though not safety critical eg. yielding at the flashing yellow) and Safety critical intervention. I think these 3 categories will present more data showing comfort increasing overtime as well as the safety increases.
Any intervention or disengagement means the same thing: FSD cannot drive properly alone. And that's after 4 years of development time .
@@DerekDavis213 No, it doesn't mean the same thing. There's MILLIONS of drivers out there who don't crash, but we certainly wouldn't be comfortable at all.
@@Octamed The average human driver is MUCH more skilled than the buggy beta FSD software. FSD cannot compare to a human being. Not even close .
@@DerekDavis213 _FSD cannot compare to a human being._ Teslas with FSD engaged have driven a total of 1.3 billion miles. According to data recently released by NHTSA, a single fatality has been associated with Teslas driving these 1.3 billion miles with FSD engaged. Meanwhile, again according to data released by NHTSA-not Tesla-average drivers driving 1.3 billion miles would experience about 15 fatalities. So clearly FSD (Supervised) is orders of magnitude safer that average drivers.
_The average human driver is MUCH more skilled than the buggy beta FSD software._
This makes it clear that you're afflicted with the same misconception the vast majority of irrational FSD-haters are-that driving skills are the greatest predictor of ADS or ADAS safety. But that couldn't be farther from the truth. The best predictor is actually dangerous behaviors by drivers, usually deliberate, are the source of most accidents, and which ADASs or ADSs would seldom if ever be guilty of. These include drivers texting while driving; other distracted driving; drunk and drug-impaired driving; road rage; fatigue; falling asleep at the wheel; medical emergencies; running red/yellow lights and stop signs; wrong-way driving; following too closely; unsafe lane changes; speeding; street racing; reckless driving; loss of control; and probably several other categories I haven't thought of. I agree that FSD will never be perfect, and may never even approach the performance of a reasonably skilled, engaged human driver. But by eliminating or dramatically reducing entire categories of accidents and fatalities, FSD and its counterparts at other companies can paradoxically achieve a much higher overall record of safety, even while being similarly or less skilled than an average human driver.
@@BigBen621 Millions or billions of miles in your statement means *nothing* because the simpleminded FSD software requires 100 percent human supervision at all times. Nobody wants to Supervise a flawed FSD software that makes frequent mistakes on challenging drives .
I pretty much disengage on every road trip when I get to reduced speeds in cities. Dropping the speed setting or waiting doesn't slow the car fast enough any more. A speed trap would have got me this last weekend.
On the “little move over” there was paint or water or some kind of markings/reflections in the lane that confused it thinking it was a turn only (that’s my interpretation watching it back)
Actually, putting the setting of CZcams to 2096p, slowing to 0.5 speed, we can see that there was a statue of a black sitting dog on the write.
@@karimtoubal4403 Hahaha, good spot! I think it's a fire hydrant but I agree that it looks like a sitting dog 😂
@@Tschacki_Quacki 😂😂if you pass by again and can take a picture would be nice to illustrate how accurate HW3 can be.
I am using 12.3.6 more than any previous version - no question it has improved. But it now misses exit turns off the expressway (sometimes changing out of right hand lane 1-2 miles before the exit, then waiting too long to move over. It also still will not merge into the right lane when entering the highway until the entrance lane closes up, and in heavy traffic it appears to be cutting people off. It does the opposite for merging traffic into the right lane, cutting cars off that have little room left in the lane. I don’t recall earlier versions of FSD/highway doing this.
Does anyone else see the humor of the message "Please pay attention to the road" appearing on the screen?
lmfao when you tryna use your phone
I guess it's because you are most likely looking at the screen when you are not looking at the road. And where else could it display the warning anyway?
@@andrasbiro3007 On a dashboard display behind the steering wheel? Automakers several decades ago developed ways to convey info to the driver in ways that were easy to consult. Putting a screen where Teslas generally have them, intended for driver use, is just weird (as a Tesla owner).
My Model S dings me all the time like that when I’m watching the road I miss the messages at the bottom of the screen in tiny font. When I’m reading the font it tells me to watch the road. Round and round we go.
@@bearcubdaycare that’s often stated. But in practice the larger screen is far more efficient and easier to read at a glance.
Why? Because with the gauges/display directly behind the steering wheel, you have to refocus your eyes momentarily to read the gauges, and then refocus on the road. Give it a try if you’re in doubt.
Whereas the center display can be read immediately at glance since it’s already in your field of view-and with the road and traffic remaining in view.
I was talking about the Tesla with my optometrist (he was going to be an astronaut at one point, but his PhD adviser went to the ISS instead). Brilliant individual. He autocompleted the same point before I could finish.
FPV view is awesome, great idea
Thanks Chris, always appreciate your videos.
Loe the perspective from the glasses! Add that as a regular thing please!
agreed.. my contention with auto speed is- i do'nt want to get a ticket b/c auto speed is going too fast. that should NEVER happen!
Right, so auto speed can be turned off for that but then we'll go severely under in these unmarked speed zones
I think the goal is to drive at the speed of traffic. You can't achieve full autonomy if you cant auto adjust speed.
@@MrNiceGuy485That’s true, but if there is no other vehicles to pace, it should conservatively stay within a 5 over buffer. Most officers will give you that. 10 or more you will get pulled over if you are the only car on the road.
i'm european, and we have stricter regulations and enforcement here.
i'd love tesla to offer us the option to have offset for speed when we go over a certain speed and stricter within city limit or 25/40 miles per hour type of areas..
tesla could just bring us that option that would be ideal for us because i got a ticket in switzerland for being 2km/h above on day and that just sucks to be slowed and pulled over for such thing..
You can. He and most testers are using automatic speed limit control. You can still use the old offset system. However it only limits max speed not minimum though
@@chengcao418 there is only one offset and it is a percentage now. He is asking for separate offsets for highway and city. Especially if it is going to be a percentage. 20% of 20mph means i go 24mph. 20% of 65mph means im gonna go 78mph?
@@chengcao418 i see, i think i'd like something like Bob-p9d said, we would have the choice to do two offset, like 0 to 80 offset will be 3km/h above (whatever that is in percent) and 80 to 130km/h offset to be 5-8km/h above.
i just basically don't want a ticket from our cops or speed check radar..
so far what i've tested with my brand new model y is pretty good but random halucination and slowing down for no reasons.
2km/h? That's absurd!
@@jamesengland7461 right ? Ugh hate this! Their goal is 0 death on the road at 2050 horizons.
Impossible.
Great job on FSD dealing with those dark shadows on road. Crazy it can differentiate and not think it’s something in the road.
That Slowdown with the cyclist was possibly because a lot of people, like myself, slow down when passing them to reduce dust in their face. Depends if its in the training data that way a lot
Chris, I think the reason they use the "end speed zone" signs is because usually that means it reverts to a statewide standard speed limit. Imagine state legislators decide to change the default rural speed limit from 55mph to 60 mph for example. If actual speed limit signs were used, those signs would have to be replaced everywhere. By using the end speed zone sign, it just means the speed limit reverts back to the default, and a change to the default speed limit wouldn't necessitate changing all of those signs.
Get out of here with your logic I want to be annoyed 😂
This is probably the best argument I have seen for this practice, and I still think it's bogus.
Leaving my town, this sign is used. The road is a divided 4 lane road in California. Using the proposed logic of the state minimum speed limit should be 60 to 70 MPH due to road type. However, 1 mile down the road, there is a 50 MPH sign. 50 MPH is even slower than the county road limit of 55 MPH so the road user has zero chance of guessing the correct speed.
What makes it even worse is the same road on the other side of town is 65 MPH. So when you get through the town you would think the End sign means go back to that.
IMO, this is, at best it a scheme to get non locals with speeding tickets. At worst, it is dangerous since the people could be doing 20MPH over the actual speed limit. Since California law says 4 lane roads range from 60 to 70 MPH.
The result of the logic proposed is that the gov is allowed to be lazy about posting appropriate speed markings. The reality is that they shouldn't be. If the speed changes, the signs need to change. In my towns example, if a sign stating the correct speed was used, there would not be a mile of road that is marked improperly.
@@aaronb7990 I don't disagree with you or Chris--it's certainly unclear and confusing. It's just that my best guess is that this was done as a cost-saving measure.
I still think tech like FSD will illuminate the wrongness of traffic issues, and could potentially score them for review by authorities in the future since they can’t figure it out themselves.
@splashmaker2 Same!
Fading road markings, blind intersections, obstructed stop signs, incorrect speed signs.
Dedicated AI systems meant to track maintenance items and appropriate repair resources are getting close to being a reality. Current systems still rely heavily on human input in most cases. As AI capabilities increase the reliability of things like transport and energy systems, we will finally see things start operating logically.
Love the glasses pov, nice addition!
Oh man it is getting so good, I need it
Hi Chris! The first blinking yellow was a single light that was blinking. The second one was a single blinking red which you thought was going to be a blinking yellow but the car correctly stopped for the red one where it drove through the first one which was yellow. Later, where it had some hesitancy it was where the device was like a regular light. So, a yellow can flash on and then normally go to red so the car has to determine whether it is going to operate normally or if the signal is going to do more yellow blinks. I think that actually is pretty impressive. Also, I have a MYP and was shocked at your kWh numbers. I only get numbers like that if I am doing about 30mph. But, I am going to review that on my next drive. Regards, Bill
WOW! Now I really want a Tesla, but I’m waiting for the Juniper.
The display placement is perfect for zooming in on a 16:10 panel.
Thanks Chris for super fast update!
Im addicted to your videos lol.. rented my first tesla on Turo and haven’t looked back ever since..
Mind is blown🤯
12:36 passing lane. Thank you!
From Grand Rapids, I too have been reporting that as well, so many times via the verbal intervention.
I feel FSD was good for multiple lanes, more than two. FSD would stay out of the far right lane for exit and vehicles entering the highway.
FSD would and ride the middle lanes.
However here in Michigan with mostly two lanes, it is required to stay in the right lane unless passing. Glad to hear FSD is moving out of the passing lane.
I really like the graph you made (miles per intervention), I hope you'll keep updating it as it really shows FSD improvements
Hopefully Tesla agrees with your views of this update and sends it to the fleet.
Today FSD misread a state route 110 sign as speed limit of 10 😮
FSD also misreads signs such as DO NOT ENTER, and ROAD CLOSED .
8:25 I think it's important to do what everyone else does. I just drove across 28 states and they're all pretty much the same:
20: 22
25: 34
30: 38
35: 44
40: 48
45: 53
50: 60
55: 65
60: 70
65: 76
70: 81
75: 80-85 (these higher speeds depend on the car)
the glasses pov is amazing, keep it up!
We love these videos!! please keep them coming!!!
Blinking reds were horrible for me 👍🏾. Can’t wait for this V
V12 looks like it is exploding out of that graph at the end, definitely exponential improvement.
Afternoon mate
Glad to see that long drive almost intervention free, but if a student driver is behind you or a distracted driver and the Tesla brakes for yellow, your in for a suprise. My FSD 12.4.2 experience is slightly better that previous, but I still see wonky/jerky movements on exiting off ramps, on highways which has not been improved in years. This ramp behavior is basically random since it can be smooth at some exits and crazy jerky on others. In addition, FSD STILL stays in the merge lane till the bitter end on highway entrance ramps and does not provide much of an option to merge when drivers are frustrated that I do not take an effort to merge in the open lane. They get annoyed and speed up seeing that I am not going to merge, which causes an intervention for me, since I would be on the side of the highway or worse hit a barrier. I have the FSD 'Auto Speed' set to OFF and FSD STILL does not slow down in 35 mph zones from higher speeds, coasting at 48mph for a mile or two which is a speeding ticket waiting to be issued in Ohio little cities. 55mph construction zones are double fines, and does FSD recognize the speed sign, NOPE. Lastly, blinking yellow lights turn red on my MY display and hard brake, so I am accustomed to press on the accelerator when I encounter them. FSD never recognizes school zones, or End Speed Zone signs, basically I think Elon's FSD team hates slowing for school age children or small urban cities. Also, I always get a FSD "What Happened?" message when I reach my final destination and I brake or disengage to turn into the parking lot... I have blue eyes and driving without my polarized sunglasses is a no-go, so I am comfortable with occasionally touching the steering wheel.
I would really like to see someone test the incorrect reading of route signs as speed limits.
We have a Route 25 which has a speed limit of 45. Where the signs alternate. Without the automatic speed option turned on, it will drastically slow down. We even have a location where it will interpret a US highway sign 30 which will also be interpreted as a speed limit
I like that the "Please pay attention to the road" isn't followed up by a loud beep anymore. Hated how it did that.
Glad to see you are getting good performance now!
The speed limit problem where it does no obey the limit is a deal breaker for me. This makes no sense. What if I get pulled over? I blame it on the computer? Dumb. This is something so basic, that it should just be followed.
All the Blinking Lights were single-blinking yellow or red lights. The last one it had a "problem" with was a standard light. I think FSD thought it was a yellow light about to change to red and decided to slow down.
So glad you tested at that time of day as I used to believe the angle of the sun affected cameras and caused the car to do quirky things. So you've basically laid that fear to rest…
Looove the chart and miles per interaction yeah... Hopefully that number goes up on 12.4.2 - i was expecting 10x improvement according to musk...
Not 10x, but the improvement is looking good, especially compared to pre-V12
I thought he had said 5x for 12.4 and 10x for 12.5?
@@youtubecommenter-on9kd no he said 10x for 12.4. Lots of Muskites wished and want him to say sth else but it was very clear in the tweet what he meant:
“12.4 goes to internal release this weekend and limited external beta next week. Roughly 5X to 10X improvement in miles per intervention vs 12.3.”
So it really seems like he was just making this up because where was he getting that figure from? Certainly not in testing.. 12.4.1 was even worse…
12.5 is single stack and improve in mpi as well..
“12.5 will be out in late June. Will also see a major improvement in mpi and is single stack - no more implicit stack on highways.”
@@George2647g In your very own quote of the tweet, Musk says "roughly 5x to 10x improvement". But at the start of your comment you assert that he said "10x". Roughly 5x-10x does not mean 10x. Also, statistics dictates that you cannot pick a single CZcams video and extrapolate the results of that video to a dataset of millions or billions of miles.
@@toddeburch oop! Looks like we got a musk excuser on our hands… every youtuber is mentioning interventions.. wholemars is mentioning them much more than even in the past year.. it’s nowhere near 5 or 10x.. elon made up the number as there is only one way they can know that number and that’s by internal testing.. 4.1 was even worse which is what they were using when he said it… elon just makes stuff up.. he’s been caugh lying about fsd capabilities in court… look i invested in tsla in 2009 - i know elon enough to know that he lies. You can critique a liar you dont have to make excuses for them and still invest in their company..
What would FSD do with a traffic light that was off/out due to a power outage?
Treat it like a 4-way stop. I just experienced this a few days ago near my home.
They didn’t roll it out cause they know that customers are almost on their last straw when it comes to elons comments on FSD. Can’t just go around claiming “thousands of miles between intervention” then release some half bake update.
That’s what they have been doing the entire time and that’s why no one even cares anymore, no more wow factor, it changed from “gbt moment” to everyone just getting sick of waiting for the stuff they paid for.
Yes, people have just about lost patience in FSD, with its egregious mistakes after four years in development. Many people have just walked away from this whole feeasco .
_Can’t just go around claiming “thousands of miles between intervention” then release some half bake update._
He made no such claim; please stop lying. What he did predict was that FSD *12.4* would have 5x to 10x more miles between interventions than v12.3.6. Since v12.4 includes all point releases of v12.4, including v12.4.2, .3, .4, etc., this can't be judged until the last point release of v12.4 is released. So keep your powder dry, and come back with factual data proving that miles between interventions have or have not increased 5X from the last version of v12.3 after v12.5 is released, *That's* the time to judge his prediction; and not *long* before the final release of 12.4.
@@BigBen621 I’ll link the tweet your simply uneducated
@@DerekDavis213 _Many people have just walked away from this whole feeasco [sic]._
Sorry to say, I just checked and it turns out that you just making up a claim like this and posting it online doesn't actually make it true. In fact, it's pretty clear that the vast majority of commenters on this aand similar channels are still fully engaged. If you're going to make the claim that many people have just walked away from this whole "feeasco", you;re going t have to provide some substantiating evidence.
@@BigBen621 FSD continues to be a buggy joke. I just watched an FSD video today on CZcams: it could not drive for 2 miles without a disengagement. This turkey is years away from Full Autonomy.
watching this in my model x... i was casually watching and when his screen stated flashing i wiggled my wheel out of habit lmao. im not even driving rn.
Overall, really nice. I've had v12.3.6 for 6-8 weeks or so and I'm looking forward to v12.4.2.
There is a reason for the in speed limit sign. The locals are complaining so much that drivers start speeding up to 55 as soon as they can see a 55 mph sign. So rather than putting in a transitional speed limit at a lower speed limit, they install the end speed limit sign.
Blinking yellow does not mean stay at the full speed limit. Most states say slow down and be prepared to yield to traffic. I think the car did fine when it slowed a tad on some...
4:00 maybe it slowed down because it was dark and the exposure had to adjust?
I'm only here because Chuck hasn't released his video yet
And Chuck won't be dropping a video for 2-3 weeks since he posted he is away on business.
His ULT is highly overrated. When it's solved it will *not* mean 99% of the other ULTs in the US will be solved, is my bet...
@@Fatman305 Nobody said it would.
@@edhill8568 So what's the excitement again about Tesla solving his ULT and not Joe Blow's?
@@Fatman305 Several reasons. First it's a difficult UPL. Second, Chuck has a drone overhead so you can see the intersection from above too so that is helpful. Third, he has a lot or credibility. He is a senior pilot with one of the major airlines. And he is articulate so people pay attention to his videos. Finally he got the attention of Elon who has committed employee resources to frequently test the UPL. It got to the point that neighbors were wondering why there were Tesla cars testing in the area since they are also testing other UPL's in his area.
Can you do a video with auto speed disabled, I would like to see if the car will accelerate to and hold the set speed
Sure, but it won't
Holy... You guys drive fast.....
@dirtytesla I have noticed that the car doesn't seem to yell at you as frequently when you are looking in the direction of the screen. If you look down and to the left further than the mirror viewpoint it seems to trigger within a few seconds.
WOW!
Six bluecruise engineers gave thumbs down to this video. 😂
No, any STEM graduate that sees the Flaws in the software is going thumbs down. I would not trust FSD with my wife and child in the car .
@@DerekDavis213elaborate. Are you suggesting that you wouldn’t be paying enough attention to intervene with your wife and kids in the car?
@DerekDavis213 did you watch the video?
@@andrewdubose9968 I don't want to have to watch every second that FSD is in control, to avoid a *tragedy* . I will drive the car myself, easier and safer that way .
@@DerekDavis213 that’s my point. You have to watch the road regardless.
at 15m maybe it got into the right lane because the car in the left lane was going slower, and also to keep the passing lane clear as you still have 4 miles to go. Makes sense to me. That's how I would have done it as well.
💣HAPPY💣(BELATED)💣4th💣
...to you and the fam!
It is getting there for sure. Can’t wait for the next architecture of v12.5 Really looks like Tesla is very close to solving self-driving
Cheers Chris
The idea that you can buy a car for under 50k that can do all this is insane lol
Where I am, I have my FSD set to a +14% offset for the speed limit. That's slightly too low on the low end (38 in a 35 when I would do 40) and slightly too high on the high end (79 in a 70 when I would do 75) but it's good enough that I almost never have to adjust it. With Auto Offset, I really fear for getting a ticket sometimes.
oh I like the new glasses cam
I hope it's fully completed soon
I’m sorry man I’m not trying to be rude but saying “nice to see a quick of a fix” is like insane. Blinking yellows have been “very broken” to quote you sense it’s has went into a public beta. Literally have had that issues for at least a year. “Quick of a fix” is just insane on an issues that has been around for a year. Sure sometimes it’ll go through it in the day time but saying it didn’t slam on the brakes for 2 = quick fix come on man. That issue has existed for years and willing to bet money they don’t completely fix it in this update cause they just don’t care. 🤷♂️
And I swear if someone comments “well it can be dif depending on the area you live” I’m going to lose it, one it shouldn’t matter, 2 when do y’all stop making excuses, I live like 15 min away from him (guessing obviously) drive on the same exact roads he does on a daily basis and I can tell you from my experience that costed me $6,000 it fucking sucks and I’ll record it fucking up if anyone pushes me on this.
(Not you dirty Tesla) but y’all just make up lies for Tesla half the time it’s so fucked.
I did this because blinking yellows were working pretty well (not perfectly) for me for a long time. Then with 12.4.1 I got this repeatable brake stabbing/stopping, and now with 12.4.2 it is better than it was
@@DirtyTesla I trust your judgement & what you say, hopefully this didn’t come off as rude or targeted at you at all it’s just so frustrating. I don’t know how they can allow issues like that on public roads, if I did that all the time I wouldn’t have a license.
In the moment the blue line shifted left then returned the road sort of appeared to be an merge but it was just a combination of the sunlight, a line or mark in the road, and the appearance of the road narrowing up ahead. It was not what was there but it appeared that way for just a couple of moments. Minute 17:14.
Backroads are easy, I want to see driving in places like NYC and DC.
I don't live there, but you can search that on youtube. But any drives just keep in mind people will say "well yeah but I want to see this drive," it's good to document a variety of conditions.
Big cities always mean interventions galore for the simple minded FSD software.
You really need to stop enjoying yourself so much. Just trying to appear negative. 😂 Go for it
Seems a huge improvement
I am still on 12.3. Mostly great but HUGS THE RIGHT side of the road to a ridiculous degree.
DID YOURS?
I am looking at your display on this video and it seems like it sticks mostly to the center, but is it because they fixed it? Or is it a problem with my S? I don't see how it could be training differences between models 3,Y vs. S because the camera is in the center. It should be able to drive in the center of the lane. But in my car, I disengage every single time I activate FSD because I just can't stand the car hugging the right side of the lane. Especially the rural roads I drive on where the pavement distorts and falls off into a gully on the right. But even on the highways, it's embarrassing.
I have this exact same problem. I’ve reported it lots of times and I hope they fix it. Driving off the pavement into the gravel is silly when there’s plenty of space in the road if it just moved over a little bit.
You're not alone. My M3 on 12.3.6 does the same thing. Even driving on the right shoulder side rumble strips at times on 4 lane highways. And strangely this seems to occur mostly on east - west roads. Not north-south.
I even tried re-calibrating my cameras. All that got me was driving over 100 miles without FSD before the calibration finished. The problem persists.
@@FatherDragonKal I wish Chris would tell us if his car did the same thing. He puts in so many hours driving, he must have a sense of it. I've heard others have the same problem. At least on this video, the graphical display shows the car well centered in the road. Let's hope they've fixed it in 12.4.
@@Dave-ei7kk I'm so glad to hear others are experiencing the same thing. I am so afraid the system is going to be trained by poor drivers. I don't mind a racing line through corners, but the car should drive the center of the lane unless it is trying to avoid something. I realize it's not full-stack, but I also can't stand on freeways how it swerves around every single large vehicle (semi trucks usually) even when they leave me tons of room. It's embarrassing. It should be able to tell if a truck is encroaching on my lane and give it extra room, but don't just swerve off the road just because the car is passing a truck. I hope Tesla isn't being trained by idiots who drive in the shoulder (like I see so many people do). There should be an overarching control that tries to choose a logical lane position based on the conditions. Is there a shoulder? What is the quality of the rightmost part of the road? Is it a narrow road? Lane markings? etc... There must be a way to train it to drive well.
@@dreamburn1 This behavior is a regression. I’ve been a FSD beta tester for over four years. And I didn’t see this behavior until version 12.3.X. That means Tesla FSD has in the past already demonstrated the ability to lane center correctly on the roadway. I expect this ability to return in a future release. Perhaps v12.4.2 solves it. I sure hope so.
I wish it would drive in the center of the dirt road like most humans who drive dirt roads do. When you see oncoming traffic, you move to the right back to your "lane". Dirt roads have lousy edges. It's so much smoother and safer to drive in the center.
That's unbelievable. I can't wait. Perth western Australia is so far behind. I use 2015 model S autopilot and it's awesome but troublesome 😂😂😂😂
@6:00 "a little tiny breaking" The display reports a blinking red, then yellow, Then red again.
I think the driver monitoring has just issues with your hands being all over the place. If you keep them down while talking, it may not have such an issue with that :)
You are getting great Wh/mi on your drives! It must be because the temperature where you are at is perfect? I'm in Texas with 96+ degree temps and I dont get Wh/mi as great as yours :(
Weather is pretty great this time of year!
I agree with you about rolling out versions. It seems like since the $99/month FSD, they have been more cautious in the rollouts.
Looks like 12.4.2 also won't be the version going wide. Rollout stopped before it even started. I don't understand the point of hyping, releasing and then ghosting releases. I'd rather wait and get a good update in time, then being told lies over and over.
The rollout was never started. This version was released to the small select group of public beta testers (Chris is one of them). The public rollout probably wouldn't start until this evening at the earliest, assuming no issues Tesla deems to be major are found.
@@toddeburch But that's my point - Elon and every single Tesla site have now announced some iteration of 12.4.x is "now going out wide" for over a month. It's just bad communications, PR, and quite frankly dev process to tell testers and clients something that just isn't so. Much like crying wolf, this doesn't create anticipation if that's what they're going for, but rather release fatigue, FOMO, disappointment, etc. I understand internal vs. external testing, alpha vs. beta vs. production, etc., but playing with words, doesn't change the fact that as of now there is no hint that us 99% will get this version any time soon, much less before the all important July 4th road trip holiday.
@@michaelbeck1445 First, you can't hold Tesla responsible for what random Tesla sites have reported. Second, I don't know of an example where Elon or Tesla has said "12.4.x is going wide". It's either "expected to go wide", or "barring any issues", or a prediction, or some issue was discovered after some Tweet.
The main problem is that people take forward looking statements and treat it like gospel. It's not. It's an expectation or a prediction--not a promise or a guarantee.
FSD is so incredibly complex, and such a safety-critical piece of software, that Tesla can't ever know that it's 100% good to go out until it's been tested on a large number of users over many many miles.
Source please on stopping the rollout. Consensus seems to be that v12.4.2 will go wider fairly soon but if you have information otherwise that would be great to see.
Based on the progress, do you think Tesla will solve true FSD with the current hardware setup ( HW3) or do you think more cameras and compute power is required?
I was hoping that maybe you could ask an officer to help you with a video. I would like to see how FSD would respond to emergency vehicles. Also, one behind a school bus dropping off kids. These are everyday events, and both are important.
My main concern at this point is its ability to avoid collisions due to bad drivers turning into you, cutting you off, rear-ending you, t-boning you.
Does this version allow you to reduce the speed without canceling out of FSD? Previous versions would allow the driver to use the right scroll wheel to step down the speed. I travel on a road that is 25mph but most people go 15 mph or 10am mph because of a lot of pedestrians/dog walkers/kids. Removing features is frustrating.
Also, not jazzed about the current version 12.3.6, crossing double yellow lines and not waiting for the dashed lines to move over into an exit lane. Thanks. Been using FSD for 6 years and this recent version is much better.
7:24 *gone
7:42 HECK YEAH
The one thing I really don't like about FSD is that you cannot set the speed. I want to get the max speed and have FSD drive to that speed in situations where it is safe to do so. I'm still on 12.3.6 and it is really bad with driving way to slow, typically 5mph below speed limit. I find myself having to hit the accelerator petal way too often. Just let me set the max and drive to that speed all the time.
I am wanting the 12.5.x stack (with single stack on both on- and off-highway driving). I am hungry to see if V12.5 will fix the V11 late merging and early cutover back to travel lane after pass and other lane change issues. But of course I am hoping for more consistent and gentler stop sign braking and acceleration, especially in low traffic scenarios. Granted there may be times when I want to be back up to 30 mph before I clear the intersection, but not if I'm the only car around or on a suburban or rural street.
Please sir, may I have another?
😂 working on it
@@DirtyTesla You make superb videos, Chris. I've been watching you since the beginning, and I will be happy to buy (Canadian company!) Jowua's products for my upcoming M3 Performance -- to support you and Wife of DT and Little Kids of DT. ☀
“I don’t know why they didn’t just roll it out”
“Well there were some consistent bugs…”
😂
But the bugs were so minimal, and FSD has always done goofy things so...
Honestly I have issues with blinking yellow on 12.3.6. This version 12.4.2 looks on par with my experience with blinking yellows.
End Speed Zone signs work for any (former) speed and can be ordered in higher volume(?)
Amazing efficiency at 222wh!
And even better efficiency? Camry Hybrid goes 630 miles on a tank of gas .
@@DerekDavis213 Dude, you're commenting flat out here with contrarian and meaningless talking points. People want EVs because they're EVs, they don't want fuel cars full stop. Doesn't matter how good they are.
@@Octamed A Camry Hybrid has higher build quality, much nicer interior, and a MUCH longer range than Tesla. So easy and relaxing on a road trip. Tesla owner will waste hours on charging, and the car has no dashboard and no Turn Signal Stalk. Just awful .
@@DerekDavis213 _And even better efficiency? Camry Hybrid_
*FALSE.* You're confusing range with efficiency. A Camry Hybrid has a 13.2 gallon gas tank. A gallon of gas contains 33.7 kWh of energy, so the Camry Hybrid uses 13.2 x 33.7 = 444.9 kWh for the 630 mile range, which is 706 wH/mile, more than three times the energy consumption of the Tesla.
If you just keep making stuff up and posting if as if it were actually factual, pretty soon you'll have no credibility at all!
Did he say he went 5K miles without an intervention? Just how close are we to people hanging out in the back seat? One year?