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  • čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
  • for the deja vu bois yes, this is a reupload, originally uploaded on 1st November 2021 on the original crinacle channel before it was aliven't. RIP to OG crinacle :(
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    00:00 Intro
    01:03 The "IGN problem"
    02:45 What Hi-Fi?
    07:46 Soundguys
    10:13 Headfonics
    12:17 Are ratings bad?
    13:40 IEF's rating system
    16:15 DON'T TRUST ME
    17:44 Selective reviewing
    ~~~
    CAMERA: Sony a7 III + FE 35mm f/1.8
    MICROPHONE: Motu M2 interface + Neumann TLM 102
    SPEAKERS: Neumann KH120 + KH750
    MONITOR: LG C1 48" OLED
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Komentáře • 520

  • @crin
    @crin  Před rokem +415

    TL;DW: crinacle.com/2021/07/06/why-most-ratings-suck-an-analysis/
    for the deja vu bois yes, this is a reupload, originally uploaded on 1st November 2021 on the original crinacle channel before it was aliven't. RIP to OG crinacle :(

  • @qiyubi
    @qiyubi Před rokem +1170

    When your rig is ranked B 😥, but it's on Crinacle's scale 😎

    • @t1995roger10
      @t1995roger10 Před rokem +65

      My iems are B- 😥, but it's 2 stars 😎
      They are the Tin HiFi T4

    • @fastgecko5799
      @fastgecko5799 Před rokem +56

      @@t1995roger10 tfw A+ tone but C+ technical (I can barely hear cymbals please send EQ)

    • @NonsenseTreasure
      @NonsenseTreasure Před rokem +45

      When your headphones only have 3 stars, but on crinacle value rating

    • @JoelHernandez-tz3vk
      @JoelHernandez-tz3vk Před rokem +1

      @@fastgecko5799 Meanwhile in hear them a bit too clearly with my BLON BL-03. Wonder if something's wrong with my ears.

    • @JoelHernandez-tz3vk
      @JoelHernandez-tz3vk Před rokem +35

      @@diazzsama It seems that we both disagree but you're massively more aggressive about it.
      Crin himself warns us all not to take what he says at face value, it's his opinion and his only what makes the list after all.
      So avoid being surprised not if but WHEN you disagree with him.

  • @RusStarik
    @RusStarik Před rokem +539

    This video was literally unwatchable with eyes closed! 7/10 © IGN

    • @yeti4269
      @yeti4269 Před rokem +80

      "A miserable experience for even the biggest masochist" 8.3/10 Headfonics

    • @t1995roger10
      @t1995roger10 Před rokem +37

      "A travesty to have both eyes and ears while experiencing this" 7.5/10 Soundguys

    • @mayonotes9849
      @mayonotes9849 Před rokem +17

      "Absolutely appalling, my wife and daughter cried and screamed in agony." 5✩ WhatHifi.

    • @acer5720
      @acer5720 Před rokem +14

      "This video made me realise what holocaust vicitms went through!" 9.1/10 IGN

    • @van94weightlossjourney
      @van94weightlossjourney Před rokem +7

      “I wasn’t able to watch this video. It was stuck buffering.” 8.9/10 IGN

  • @DriveKnightJaden175
    @DriveKnightJaden175 Před 8 měsíci +37

    Crinacle: *telling me every video to not trust him*
    Me: "I trust this man with my life"

  • @duffdabsduffdies
    @duffdabsduffdies Před rokem +547

    Rewatching to feed the algorithm.

    • @fisticuf
      @fisticuf Před rokem +8

      The algorithm is pleased by your offering. The fourth version of ectoplasmus laporidae is clearly the superior iteration. 8/10.

    • @edwinchia6043
      @edwinchia6043 Před rokem

      Replying to feed the algorithm

    • @zupdopdude
      @zupdopdude Před rokem

      Hay Doug I'm doing this for the waffle house and the algorithm juice 🧃

    • @good-tn9sr
      @good-tn9sr Před rokem +2

      i dumped my girlfriend for the algorithm

    • @wana.me003
      @wana.me003 Před rokem

      This worked btw. I got a recommend 2 days later

  • @ghostxfairy
    @ghostxfairy Před rokem +335

    I think a large portion of this is due to people having grown up with the school grading system, where anything below 60 is a F. So when they try to grade something on a 10 point scale, they automatically put the average at 7. And maybe other factors like trying to make more affiliate sales push that up further.

    • @jacobtirk6438
      @jacobtirk6438 Před rokem +11

      When being an 8/10 is now below average :(

    • @kainan613
      @kainan613 Před rokem +14

      That's not the same for a lot of the world

    • @michaelmacvittie6977
      @michaelmacvittie6977 Před rokem +16

      @@kainan613 ok. It’s the way it is in America, and all sites referenced by Crin in this video are American.

    • @kainan613
      @kainan613 Před rokem +2

      @@michaelmacvittie6977 Doesn't mean their users are. Crin isn't

    • @michaelmacvittie6977
      @michaelmacvittie6977 Před rokem +11

      @@kainan613 Ok. It’s Americans making an American system. Get used to it.

  • @wifebeater69
    @wifebeater69 Před rokem +73

    This is such a massive problem across almost every other industry too, I'm glad you put out a video concisely explaining it. Looking at the average/mean score on review sites for almost anything will usually show this sort of score "inflation", wherein people want to treat 7/10 as the average.
    People just don't like how "5/10" sounds now, they think it sounds bad, when in fact it is mathematically and objectively just average (not bad).

    • @geraldmcmullon2465
      @geraldmcmullon2465 Před rokem +3

      80% of the population do not earn above 50% of the income level. Statistics does take a lot of thinking about and few can instinctively understand the percentages and ratings. Everyone wants an IQ above 100 and thinks it is really bad not to have. IQ of 100 is the majority and average (ignoring that it only measures how well people do on an IQ test and even that not very well).

    • @bananya6020
      @bananya6020 Před 9 měsíci

      somehow your perferences are always a few months ahead of mine, it's like a delayed echo

  • @retmania
    @retmania Před rokem +36

    What Hi-Fi be like:
    Brad Pitt ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
    Heinrich Himmler ⭐⭐⭐⭐
    Adolf H ⭐⭐⭐⭐

    • @the-Gammaron
      @the-Gammaron Před rokem

      Kinda... not same and messed up in a way, but what you're saying is definitely not false, just a weird way of saying it.

  • @JohnCiaccio
    @JohnCiaccio Před rokem +227

    Exactly the reason to look at multiple reviews. Or find a reviewer you have the most in common with.

    • @brandonabbott8093
      @brandonabbott8093 Před rokem +6

      When the overwhelmingly vast majority of review sites act like this, it makes that pretty meaningless. Unfortunately.

    • @housepianist
      @housepianist Před rokem +2

      I agree 100% with your assessment. If I want to know more about an IEM or whatever, I will watch as many vids on it as possible and read as many articles about it as well. From that, you can learn what sonic characteristics reviewers like and don’t like. I have done this way and have come out of it mostly well. While this method is no guarantee that you’ll find what you want, it’s better than relying on the opinion of one or two. In other words, watching/reading multiple vids and articles reduces the chance of buying something you may not like.

    • @JohnCiaccio
      @JohnCiaccio Před rokem +2

      Hearing is especially individualistic. What may be shouty for one person may be perfect for someone with less sensitivity to those frequencies. Also comfort is different for people. Usually if something is just really bad everyone will agree on it.

    • @JohnCiaccio
      @JohnCiaccio Před rokem

      @@brandonabbott8093 I have found that there are some that always say this is the next big thing. I like negative reviews actually. Taken with a grain of salt.

    • @hikkamorii
      @hikkamorii Před 5 měsíci +1

      That's why I usually don't look at ratings and instead read/watch the review itself.

  • @steliopapadopoulos4887
    @steliopapadopoulos4887 Před rokem +8

    Crin with his disclaimers reminds me of the Messiah scene from movie Life of Brian. Crin says "I'm not the Messiah" and the rest of us say "he is the Messiah, only the real Messiah would say he is not the Messiah".

    • @FabricioPivetta
      @FabricioPivetta Před rokem

      crinacle review list is the one true list we should trust

  • @danixsc
    @danixsc Před rokem +18

    You're absolutely right, and that's the reason I'm so glad to have found you. I need a reviewer who doesn't hesitate to catalog headphones as trash if they are.

  • @VagabondEddy123
    @VagabondEddy123 Před rokem +16

    This is the video that made me a fan of Crin. As a consumer who fell for that faulty rating system and bought some crap stuff before, I learned the hard way on what the rating actually means.

  • @AlexanderIonkin
    @AlexanderIonkin Před rokem +2

    That makes sense soooooo much. I would have never thought about it if it wasn’t for this video. Thank you!

  • @Custard_Pie
    @Custard_Pie Před rokem +17

    I like this studio setup much better!)) It looks so genuine and real, I think some platforms and channels should never get redesigned)

  • @joshuaarrebola3430
    @joshuaarrebola3430 Před rokem +1

    Yeah, I like the idea behind the rating system on the website. I like having the products change and evolve with a percentage representation that you do. Keep it up Crin!

  • @mikes978
    @mikes978 Před rokem +11

    Hi Crin, great video and I agree, ratings on average tend to be high.
    One thing I'd like to add is on the selective reviewing. Sure if they don't publish a review we don't know, but can't we just find out? You have a large dataset of reviews (the largest), you could pull the ratings from the other sites (which you already did), and match them up to yours (a simple vlookup on a spreadsheet should work). From there, you'll see what's missing as well as what you rated those at (see if they really are below avg) and maybe find other stats too. I think this would be interesting data to look at and could possibly even be a follow up video.

    • @tyreezydoesit2332
      @tyreezydoesit2332 Před rokem

      Exactly the point I was going to make, it it wasn’t already in the comments.
      Other review sites cover a smaller number of products, and likely ones readers are most likely to search for, meaning they may naturally have fewer lower-quality products in their dataset than day someone who, say, reviews airline headphones for fun.
      And if this were true, removing from Crin’s distribution the reviews for products his competitors didn’t cover would cause his average rating to increase as well.
      FWIW, a follow-up analysis that controls for selection bias would likely still lead to the same damning assessment of his competitors.

  • @Rooster_0451
    @Rooster_0451 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you for putting things in perspective and cudos to the disclaimers you put on top of your headphone and IEM ranking lists, - the fact that you explain the science behind your rating system and still emphasize that in the end it's subjective, makes me trust you a lot more than someone who claims to be 100% correct on everything.

  • @Dolphins_are_our_Overlords
    @Dolphins_are_our_Overlords Před rokem +112

    Hey crin. Its good that you will upload all of you old channel videos but my advise would be to keep them coming at regular scheduled/intervals so that Algorithm will bless you & your channel will grow in subs get more eyes. 👍

    • @readyforlol
      @readyforlol Před rokem +2

      New here, what happened to the old channel ?

    • @mownta
      @mownta Před rokem +1

      @@readyforlol same question

  • @elvisleong6358
    @elvisleong6358 Před rokem +64

    Never full trust anything you can't experience yourself lol

    • @robonator2945
      @robonator2945 Před rokem +2

      you realize this applies just as well to the argument for the flat earth right? "You can't personally see it, so don't trust it!" I can't see carbon dioxide either, so I guess the greenhouse effect is a myth. I also haven't ever been to space, so I don't trust that for a fucking second.
      This is one of those lines that sounds good, but it literally only works if you have massive double standards otherwise if fails comically badly.

    • @elvisleong6358
      @elvisleong6358 Před rokem +1

      @@robonator2945 hmmm I see your point, maybe I could've phrased it better. I think I meant more in the subjective realm of things, not scientific truths. But it's late and I can't think words straight so maybe I'll edit op in the morning lmfao.

    • @iKaGe01
      @iKaGe01 Před rokem +11

      With audio, this becomes even harder as one persons great is another persons okay

    • @feelingevaporated2912
      @feelingevaporated2912 Před rokem +9

      Trust frequency response

    • @iKaGe01
      @iKaGe01 Před rokem +2

      @@feelingevaporated2912 Saying that, my fave iem to date is the Tin Hifi t4 which has quite a higher treble. Some reviewers didn't like it

  • @Diijkstra
    @Diijkstra Před rokem +1

    Very insightful. been on different review sites but you and gizaudio recommendation and ratings works for me. thank you for that saves me a lot of money and I don't have to blind purchase anymore.

  • @MichaelLaing71
    @MichaelLaing71 Před rokem +16

    There are other factors not mentioned. Reviews rarely seem to be adjusted for time. With advances in technology, particularly with a newer type of technology, which hasn't matured, a product may get 5 stars but within a year may go down to 4 stars and within a couple of years be 3 stars but because reviews were done upon release, they do not reflect newer technology or in some cases, firmware updates, which can fix issues and sometimes dramatically improve a product.
    I realise that the examples I am about to give are camera but this is where my expertise is, whereas I just have a bit of audio knowledge. The Fujifilm X-H1 was released to so so reviews, with people criticising the autofocus. Four months later, Fujifilm released a firmware update, which fixed most of the issues, but the vast majority of reviewers had moved on, so the review were out of date but people checking out the reviews, are going to see the outdated review and go by that. One the other end of the scale you have a Sony a7rII from 2015, which is rated at 90% on DP review but technology has moved on so much it is completely meaningless but the review still stand.

    • @geraldmcmullon2465
      @geraldmcmullon2465 Před rokem

      I am not so sure about time and improvements. Digital went through rapid progress and you needed a new system every year and mobile phones changes exponential. But I have a fast i7 computer from 2013 with internal cards 15 years old using a 12 month 4K screen. My mobile phone is getting old and possible needs a new battery that I can't fit but has a 13Mp camera that I like. The current top model (10 times as much) has a 13Mp camera that I don't like. Zoom, wide, triple lens, etc don't make up for it.
      For several years I have searched for a more modern replacement for my speakers. Not to get better just to not do worse and in being more modern hopefully more change of maintenance and repairs. Prices have risen five or six times higher than inflation compared to what I paid decades ago. Some with near perfect hearing mine say the modern speakers is far better. Aging ears over 40 years might not hear that detail. But clearly inferior models are costing far more than I could afford.
      Then we have the new update problem. Much of hi-fi in streaming, digital servers, DSP, life style and room correction requires an app. The OS updates and the app will fail. The new product needs a new app and that will not run on any phone more than a month old. Then the steaming service and your choice list goes bust and you lost it all. Your internet radio uses a package that your choice of radio stations does not support and blocks (BBC national radio is blocking a number on internet radio software and devices in 2023 where you had all your options in one place will need different less friendly ways to get them. Installing a software update bricks your equipment. Features you used disappear on the next update and you have no use for the multi-thousand (£,$,€) system anymore or have to spend out of devices you don't ever want to get nearly back what had worked.

  • @InformatrIIcks
    @InformatrIIcks Před rokem +2

    I call this the "Amazon Reviews Problem".
    On amazon, when you buy a product and it works as you expected, it will get a 4 to 5 star review. "It works" shouldn't be 4 or 5 stars. And if the product has the audacity of having something unexpected or is ever so slightly better than your expectations it's an immediate 5 stars.
    It makes the ranking only work to assess the credibility of a product, where it is supposed to allow you to compare other things -> a 4.8 review on a microwave will mean that you'll receive a microwave that works, where it should mean "this microwave will change your life and blow your mind"

  • @rodrigocorrea6854
    @rodrigocorrea6854 Před rokem +2

    Precise and reasonable. Maximum respect for you crinacle. Huge audio and statistic knowledge hahhaha. Cheers 🍻

  • @GrB-M
    @GrB-M Před rokem +9

    If you’re running out of ideas for videos, maybe you could start getting into how and why iems are designed/tuned the way they are. Especially how tuning (with sound tubes and screens to decrease air flow) can affect the performance of drivers. There’s vanishingly little about any of this anywhere and it’s a fascinating subject.

  • @imtaekable
    @imtaekable Před rokem +3

    GIVE THIS GUY THE MOST VIEWS!!!
    He gives us honesty!

  • @AlfredLesliePalmer
    @AlfredLesliePalmer Před rokem +1

    You mentioning computer reviews made me thing of Gamer's Nexus (they're not the only one but the most virulent I'd say). More so at the end where you stress that reviewers should cater to their audiences
    I think you're absolutely right. And sorry for dropping the channel I did earlier (don't know if it's a problem or not, if it is I'll edit) but I have a lot of respect for them exactly for that reason, they don't shy away from calling out manufacturers or vendors etc, in a industry they love. And that's how it should be. The interwebs as a whole is a wonderful tool, especially nowadays, for making money. And for communication : for ppl with the same hobby but different culture. It's not TV, ads should be ads, there are spaces for that. If I want a friendly face selling me shit, I don't need to start my computer and search for things to find that.
    I like my youtubers and review sites, but I feel these are less and less relatable, and worse, trustworthy

  • @petertrex
    @petertrex Před rokem +3

    One of the more extreme case of this is like AliExpress store reviews.
    So this is how it goes: DO NOT BUY from stores blow 95% positive feedback. yes. below 95% is BAD.
    meaning the lowest score you should be seeing when buying product from a store is 4.8/5 star.
    Problem : 99% of stores are around 95%, which makes this number nothing more than clear scam indication.
    yes, same problem is also present in every single website with reviews.
    so what 4 star or 5 star means is not awful / scam, nothing more and not "it's good"

  • @nyxfred
    @nyxfred Před rokem +4

    Enjoy how genuine you are about your opinion it's really a breath of fresh air. Also I've just stumbled upon a Google extension that brings likes and dislikes back to CZcams, maybe it's something you would like to shine some light on for other people. Since like and dislike is a form of review as well as comments.

  • @whitecoffee1427
    @whitecoffee1427 Před rokem +11

    Cant wait till all the old stuff is up on here, love rewatching it ngl

  • @MoscleBrog
    @MoscleBrog Před rokem +29

    Salute for this mans for being humble and truthful AF

  • @semibreve
    @semibreve Před rokem

    even though this is a reupload, this video covers such a big issue with modern review systems so it deserves a rewatch

  • @dannygonsalez27
    @dannygonsalez27 Před rokem

    Well this is so true and very glad to hear this because i also read reviews from these sites...finally...i know the truth, but there is one more thing, there are tons of youtubers doing the same shit...getting free stuffs, promoting the hell out of it, and you always hear...got it for free to review but by no means its my own opinion.....just hyping stuff is s great job of youtubers but finally there is someone who reveals the truth

  • @pdamasco
    @pdamasco Před rokem

    I appreciate how you rate things though, especially compared to many others in this space. I always use your input to gauge things vs other reviews. We each have preferences and I find that Josh Valour has very similar preferences to me, however, I use every source I can to compare before making a purchase.
    Unfortunately, I don't know of a high-end dealer nearby so I am unable to audition a lot of these audio products before purchasing them. I bought a Fiio K9 pro AMK model and the Arya stealth shortly after release. I absolutely love the Aryas and only have one complaint. They can sound metallic on some female vocals. I was mostly able to fix that through minor EQ though at their price point I was hoping they would not need any EQ. That said it is mostly when paired with the Fiio k9 pro. The k9 pro is one of the clearest all in one units I've heard but I should have known pairing an ultra-clear unit with a mid-fi to high-fi planner magnetic may not be the best pairing. I also have an iFi Hip Dac which I love and that paired with the Aryas is honestly wonderful. It helps to remove a bit of the harshness in female vocals but listing to strings and classical music with the k9 pro is insane. The level of clarity and reproduction of tone is the most true to life I've ever heard a set of headphones or speakers get to being there live. Being a classically trained musician that really blew me away and made me decide to keep the K9 pro.
    I think the balance of the overall system is most important and I hope to be able to attend a can jam or another event with dealers there sometime to try more gear in person. There is obviously a huge difference in price and feature set to my hardware now but I love everything I have. Please do keep being objective and keep reminding us that it's important to read between the lines on reviews, and most importantly not to base a purchasing decision on only one person's opinion or review.

  • @lesf5792
    @lesf5792 Před rokem +3

    Excellent video Crinacle. ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
    Funny thing is, I had always assumed that your rating system was based on 5 ⭐️s!!
    I have never trusted online reviews - for the very reasons you mentioned.
    Backing up your comments with mathematical proof works for me.
    👍

  • @rokushou
    @rokushou Před rokem +1

    This is why I find comparisons most useful on any review. Though I am aware of the "new is better" bias, it usually isn't as bad as a point system bias. Also if Crin's rankings are normally distributed, the Monarch Mk2 is impressive (statistically speaking) at the #1 spot of S tier (1%) and 2 star (3%).

  • @jamesh7722
    @jamesh7722 Před rokem

    bro, great video, your method of ratings makes them much more useful. Another reason for positive bias, is that they typically review good gear, but the ratings are useless as you point out

  • @nemtudom5074
    @nemtudom5074 Před rokem

    4:24 I like that the videos have a lot of personality, makes them interesting, and dont feel 'dry'

  • @clivecato5923
    @clivecato5923 Před rokem

    For a long time I occasionally used What hifi to list items to consider buying. The thing is to try, and listen, and then decide. If your going to buy on line without listening at least read the reviews from different media to give yourself a fighting chance of buying something that suits your taste in sound, and budget (not the best way...... But I've done this myself, and in general got want I wanted at my budget).

  • @my_key
    @my_key Před rokem

    Thanks for that. Hadn’t stumbled on you before I think. I subscribed immediately 😉

  • @user-wj4rr3ob2z
    @user-wj4rr3ob2z Před rokem +1

    Thanks for video, Crin😗👍

  • @theBtotheJ23
    @theBtotheJ23 Před rokem +2

    I love your honesty Crin. Still want you opinion on best IEM under $200 though.

    • @711jastin
      @711jastin Před rokem

      go blind on the heavily discounted AKG N5005.

    • @susvara112
      @susvara112 Před rokem

      @@711jastin Wired

  • @ChappersLaNoCry
    @ChappersLaNoCry Před rokem +1

    Hey, this is why I always spend days/weeks looking at reviews for headphones/earbuds and I can never decide. There's too many that are put in a way too positive light.

  • @lucky78862
    @lucky78862 Před 6 měsíci

    Been on a crin binge love this one few good laughs

  • @totallynotmyeggalt6216

    You're definitely right about the downsides with affiliate links, incentivization of future review products and all that but I think most of these sites are trying to approach the concept of objective scores from a different perspective than you. If we do in fact want an average score of 5.0/10, (in my head at least) that requires products to be scored relative either to the absolute worst or best products, or a consensus on what is truly the most 'average' product (and average quality of a product category typically changes over time). It's not really feasible to have to re-adjust every score once there is a new highest or lowest standard for a product, which is what would be required to keep those scores accurate. Also credit where credit is due for major sites, to my knowledge The Verge is fairly good at at least handing out scores that aren't all 7, 8, or 9, even if they aren't as objectively scored (and maybe that's the key?), and I've seen plenty of 5, 6, even 3 and 4s from them in the past.

  • @sauhamm3821
    @sauhamm3821 Před 8 měsíci

    "...oh you sweet summer child..."
    shows how much you know... i was born during winter :)
    love me some crin - his delivery is dryer than lint and he's as funny as a mircofiber cloth is fuzzy. cheers mate!

  • @MirageJas7
    @MirageJas7 Před rokem

    Honestly, i wish there was a standard in grading something, since this is a product, we can set standard based on the specification of the product while also rely on human review. (Example such as driver size, the KHz range, or anything else) it would be not that perfect, but it was a ground base for reviewing the product more detail.
    It would make so much easier to "judge" the product we are buying while also knowing that if the person reviewing has certain bias toward the product.

  • @OlaJustin
    @OlaJustin Před rokem

    Flashback! I've spammed this video on many discussions when people reference What HiFi. Its a gem! 👌

  • @JustAnotherEagleScout
    @JustAnotherEagleScout Před rokem +1

    Smooth ad read

  • @SupernovaeTech
    @SupernovaeTech Před rokem

    Rewatching because it's such a good video

  • @yammy3739
    @yammy3739 Před rokem +1

    Crin, thank you for your rating. I think it's very good, and because of you I bought galaxy buds pro and I'm really happy with them

  • @LEGOCAMARO
    @LEGOCAMARO Před rokem +1

    Think reviews for audio is extra important the prices are so high and physical locations with test demos are extremely limited. Another important factor is company warranty or ez of contacting them.

  • @tuse83
    @tuse83 Před rokem

    Love this Guys Standard!

  • @evanrosenlieb8819
    @evanrosenlieb8819 Před rokem +2

    I think for better or worse, peoples most instinctive thought process about the ten point scale in the US anyway is to translate to Grades, i.e. 75 is average, 60 is borderline failing, etc. This basically just turns the 10 point scale to a 5 point scale but I think that is why.

  • @KoeiNL
    @KoeiNL Před rokem

    When I see a 3 star review in What Hifi I know the manufacturer just hasn't bought enough ads from them. I much prefer reviews without ratings in favor of those with measurements and a subjective review. Erin Audio Corner does that really well for speaker reviews. Because you have the data you can also usually see what he mentions in his subjective review, and if you know that isn't an issue for you then you can take that into account. He also doesn't hold punches if a product is really garbage.

  • @askme7777777
    @askme7777777 Před rokem

    reminds me of when i was in the military and we had annual performance reports with a 1-5 scoring scale. you get this form, fill it out with the bullet points of whatever impressive sounding things you did that year, and it gets submitted. it got absurdly inflated. like 85% of people got a 5/5.
    if you got less than a 5, you clearly screwed up somewhere. like a 4 either meant you sucked at your job or you got a DUI or something.
    the only 1/5 i ever heard of had one bullet scribbled on it. "convicted of manslaughter."
    the intent of the system was for 3/5 to be average. in practice, 3/5 probably meant you were arrested at some point.
    they "fixed" it by making 4 and 5 limited. each unit only had so many 4's and 5's they could give out, so they had to be selective of who gets them.
    the trade-off being that it was based on the number of people in the unit, so a smaller unit means you had fewer slots, and if you were a smaller unit that was just a detachment of a larger unit, you had to compete with the main unit for their slots, and they might have no idea what you do all day, so you'll never get them.

  • @ReinoldFZ
    @ReinoldFZ Před rokem

    I appreciate your sponsors are shops and patrons, and not the manufacturers, which is what killed forums for me.

  • @cireletie2742
    @cireletie2742 Před rokem +2

    i bought me the shr840 because of your website and i really love them. much love

  • @VooDooMusic
    @VooDooMusic Před 7 měsíci

    your videos are so much fun to watch

  • @nickrouse8426
    @nickrouse8426 Před rokem

    Let's go algy algs hehe. Good video, sir. Keeping it quite real.

  • @garenyo
    @garenyo Před rokem +1

    I can predict the answer from whathifi to this. "We only review the best of best".

  • @FallenShadow93
    @FallenShadow93 Před 8 měsíci

    I find it all largely circles back to our current world of on demand services and metrics people see in everyday life. You never want a rideshare below 4.7 rating. If you have a good ride you are expected to rate 5 stars because you didn't die and made it there. If your food wasn't stolen and made it you rate 5 stars. If you rate 4 stars in an app you have a mandatory, "OMG WHAT WENT WRONG!?!" We're in a conditioned world where people don't actually rate things in a granular way.

  • @spartanipods
    @spartanipods Před rokem +1

    Your star rating for IEM pricing reminds me a lot of the Michelin Star system for restaurants.

  • @xavengarcia851
    @xavengarcia851 Před rokem +1

    Hey Crin, quick question. To maintain a more objective evaluation while listening to drivers, do you listen to pink noise for a set period of time beforehand?

  • @JohanCamo
    @JohanCamo Před rokem

    Love your work, sadly i have not a single piece of gear you mention hahaha, I was wondering what about bluetooth for motorcycle helmets? most ppl just use them to hear music, but imposible to find info or measurements D:

  • @wait0333
    @wait0333 Před rokem

    One could say that a rating system in audiphilia is inherently broken since nobody shares the exact same acoustic experience due to differences in biology, acoustic variables and of course musical preferences. In my opinion, an acceptable result may be brought forth only through direct comparison with products around the same price and with similar products (soundwise) of higher or lower -financially defined- tiers.

  • @connorbrennan7728
    @connorbrennan7728 Před rokem +2

    suppose the problems with most critics is that they have money riding on it, quite a lot of places want to give things a boosted rating so they boost sales for commission, affiliate programs or their own sales. That is why watching people like Crin, Dankpods, Linus (non sponsored vids) is so helpful. 🙂

  • @Flo-pj8rv
    @Flo-pj8rv Před rokem

    wish i could like a video twice just for this

  • @kurzed4904
    @kurzed4904 Před rokem +2

    4:21 lmao that caught me off guard.

  • @TBonerism
    @TBonerism Před 10 měsíci

    The selective reviewing thing is a great thing to bring up because even What Hifi has basically no Dan Clark Audio headphones and I would argue that they are very good

  • @dragonovolstrine9576
    @dragonovolstrine9576 Před rokem +4

    What are your opinions of rtings? I've been using it and it seems reliable.

    • @PixogenPixels
      @PixogenPixels Před rokem

      I find them good for specs. But lacking for actual use cases. I would never only use them as a solo source.

  • @xxrumlexx
    @xxrumlexx Před rokem +1

    The vincent of audio ♥️

  • @vincentmooremoore
    @vincentmooremoore Před rokem

    thank for honest review.

  • @yetsumari
    @yetsumari Před rokem

    Comparative rating systems are necessary in competitive environments, but using the worst and best products to define everything else in the middle will exaggerate quality differences, which may seem useful in overall rankings, but comparing minutiae becomes incredibly quickly convoluted, especially if price is a factor that influences rating. Even though price is the first factor a buyer considers imo it complexifies ratings in a way that each individual buyer should be doing on their own.
    What the grading systems you are criticizing fail at is by considering the bottom of their scale as being nothing, unobtainable except by random objects that are nothing close to IEMs or Headphones, while 100 is nearly obtainable by a great product, on top of the failures you mentioned. I am not a statistician by far, but hearing that you care about that shows your passion.

  • @Bobby-ic2zd
    @Bobby-ic2zd Před rokem

    Dope editorial, made me think about his hamburger review, I did not agree with his #1 pick. Made me wonder if he made that as a meme video just to prove a point.....

  • @cisjr7376
    @cisjr7376 Před rokem +3

    please make a video about eartips maybe?(best for titan s pls)

  • @ratchet600
    @ratchet600 Před 8 měsíci

    I will edit this as you bring up this point somewhat around 18:00 in. I think having more mediocre headphones would help to solve this gripe as well as cross checking with multiple reviewers within the company. This would improve the "just one person's opinion" aspect too.
    So a thought I had with this: Is the reason the average is so high partially due to them choosing not to review actual dogshit products? I'm talking the dirty buds you get with cheap MP3 players of old, service station cans etc. Stuff made of sticks and grease. It's like the top-gear problem. If all they ever talk about is supercars of course the average experience is gonna be high. I'd like to hear opinions of the community here if this gets noticed. My day job is as a scientist and sampling bias is an important part of being critical of your study and your outcomes. I agree that this makes the ratings a bit useless and renormalization is necessary but this would be under the assumption that a 1 out of 10 would be like the most barely functional cheap terrible product that it's possible to find.

  • @cultureddoggo5606
    @cultureddoggo5606 Před rokem +1

    deja vu i definitely didn't see this before.

  • @seancoyote
    @seancoyote Před rokem +1

    Amazon...oh look, it's 3.9...that must be trash... A nice carbon steel knife, and you figure the one star reviews are bagging on imperfect fit and finish, or they broke, the wood cracked, or the the edge doesn't keep sharp...no, it's all about the rust. If you know anything about knives...this will make you groan. This is why I go to CZcams and find multiple reviewers to find those that aren't shills.

  • @majikthise110
    @majikthise110 Před rokem +14

    In the review world 1-6 is Negative, 7-8 is Neutral and only 9-10 is Positive

  • @MiataGuy81
    @MiataGuy81 Před rokem +2

    I just wanted to comment about giveaway iems i received about a year ago. It was my first nice iem's. I have gotten a lot of use out of them and i am just blown away by them. 10+hours and no fatigue. Crinnacle says its super bassy which just means its normal bassy. I LOVE it. Fiio Crinnacle is the iem but anything crinn is got to be good

  • @Angmarath
    @Angmarath Před 10 měsíci

    I mainly look for frequency response of the IEM’s and driver specifications

  • @bestintentions6089
    @bestintentions6089 Před rokem

    Nice outro 😮‍💨

  • @Goml3
    @Goml3 Před rokem +1

    The only guy in the buisness that has standards. im going to watch all your future content because of this video

  • @AmitNaik8
    @AmitNaik8 Před rokem

    Will the real crinacle please stand up!

  • @ice2163
    @ice2163 Před rokem

    I used to follow the video game site GameTrailers and they never gave a game a full 100 (highest given was a 98). It's unfortunate that they shut down due to low traffic.

  • @alrizo1115
    @alrizo1115 Před rokem +1

    Crin, please make a review video of the Tangzu Heyday.

  • @happyburial
    @happyburial Před rokem

    ballin

  • @23Shadowfox23
    @23Shadowfox23 Před rokem

    I would say that where you have a nice bell curve, and everything below C is not necessarily bad, the other reviewers don't have a bad system.
    The problem is however not that 5.0 (or whatever) should be the average product, hypothetically if I have a reviewcompany who does not compare headphones against eachother and I only review S tier 10/10 products - and I know there are worse products, then it would still be wrong to give all those an average because I havent heard worse right?

  • @jdllim
    @jdllim Před rokem

    This exactly.
    Thank. You.

  • @grayphox
    @grayphox Před rokem +1

    This and Dunkeys "Game Critics" video should be required viewing in the educational system.

  • @RyRyTheBassGuy
    @RyRyTheBassGuy Před rokem

    Preparation H was the ad I got for this video. Make of it what you will.

  • @muhammadharyadi1347
    @muhammadharyadi1347 Před rokem

    I like your closing

  • @chrisstroud60
    @chrisstroud60 Před rokem

    I'd like to see you make a video talking about matching frequency response between a budget earphone and a more expensive target reference earphone. I feel that's where the hobby has gone and I'm seeing a truthear or another 20 dollar iem matching a reference target response and it supposedly sounding the same. How would that affect reviews In this hobby going forward?

  • @Medsas
    @Medsas Před rokem +1

    Before: Why you SHOULDN'T trust me
    Now: Why you SHOULD trust me

  • @RawGameplay0
    @RawGameplay0 Před rokem

    Hey crinacle do you have an opinion on the wh 1000xm5 headphones from Sony? Some of the main stream tech CZcamsrs are saying it has a more balanced sound. What do you think?

  • @bennyloppo
    @bennyloppo Před rokem

    I'm glad that his taste on audio is similar to mine. This way, I can 100 percent trust all of his reviews.

  • @djwillcaine
    @djwillcaine Před rokem +2

    Surely the affiliate links provide an incentive to rate things higher as well

  • @whiteowl3440
    @whiteowl3440 Před rokem +3

    Thank God. I never trust your rating and reviews. And I knew I am right!

  • @ruleset
    @ruleset Před rokem

    DON'T TRUST THE RATINGS, TRUST THE RANDOM CHINESE MAN ON CZcams
    I'm joking btw, this is the best channel when it comes to audio, as a producer I almost went all crazy about picking headphones and a dac, but this guy made me really take a different, simple approach, good channel!

  • @barneyrubble9309
    @barneyrubble9309 Před rokem

    re-upload from your old site?? but still a good post