The Truth About Communism
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"When you're counting in the tens of millions, the point has already been made."
Oh wow, that gave me chills
it is true, only during 1959-62, around 50millions death in china by Maoism. not to mention the late on culture revolution leads to similar number of death in about 10 years. ccp will never give you a real number, but I have several friends who collected data in county level and put things together. unfortunately their results will never been published.
the 100 millions victims of communismhas been debunked even by the same authors who came up with that number. It has no academic value.
Yeah really, we in the west think that Hitler was the worst maybe because we have a fairly accurate body count but it doesn’t hold a candle to the communists.
@@nOOn3nOOn3 Accusations of cherry picking should be backed up by the demonstration of a larger picture. What about those numbers were cherry picked? What stats were manipulated?
I wouldn't be surprised if maybe the numbers were exaggerated, however the difference between 40 and 50 million does not make the picture for the CCP look much better.
And Binjamin S kinda of crapping on China is not unfounded. The CCP has a history of policies which shot itself in the foot. I.e. burning down all cultural relics they had in the Cultural Revolution (such that China does not have much cultural relevance and has westernized with authoritarian characteristics), banging pots and pans 24/7 to kill the birds via exhaustion (resulting in famine, since the boogs ate all the crops), the one child policy, etc. Not to mention current policies too.
And all they ever taught us about in school was the Nazis and a supposed 6 million.
Who runs our schools?
"Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction".
-A.H.
As a Polish person who grew up in communist regime I approve this message
You may have to fight for your life again, not long from now. The Russian Bear wants to do a comeback tour.
@@CopperBased
It’s the PANDA bear that we should be worrying about.
As a Czech person who grew up in a socialist czechoslovakia, I laugh every single time Peterson speaks about communism
@@enerpro2955 you must not be old enough to have seen your own friend or family members disappear into the forced labor camps.
@@eldermillennial8330 The panda is more likely going to starve to death.
The fact that Lenin was a monster does not negate the fact that Solzhenitsyn was a liar who, in order to achieve victory over communism, embellished the facts and increased the number of victims of the communist regime by an order of magnitude. This is the general, established opinion about Solzhenitsyn that currently exists in Russia. In a dispute with the Russians, referring to Solzhenitsyn’s books now is the same as recalling the fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm. Of course, two or three million victims of the communist regime is also a lot, but fairy tales about tens of millions of victims are just fairy tales. A Gulag prisoner like Solzhenitsyn could not have access to statistics, so he simply made them up.
As an american, of the people I have met or heard that grew up in a communist system, i have never ONCE heard them voice support for it. I have only ever heard it's horrors. I trust the people that lived it rather than whatever I could possibly read on the subject. Especially when it's people I actually know.
I go to a certain group of meetings regularly. I know of a Russian kid that grew up here his whole life. One day the subject came up and without going in to to much detail, he told me all the horrors his parents and grandparents had told him that they went through,and essentially why they left. He seemed very much grateful to grow up an american. That tells me all I need to hear. No one is paying that boy to tell me those things lol. Nope,that's genuinely life lived experience from his parents passed to him. And when I hear stories like that, time,and time, and time again from all different people that grew up in different communist states and hear how similar they all sound, I know I'm not being lied to. They wouldn't have left if it were river's of milk and honey.
Correct. The only people who are for Socialism, are those who have read a wiki article about it on social media.
My parents escaped Mao’s communism. They suffered true famine when they lived there. Yet my mother, because of propaganda, still things that the real person behind Mao’s tyranny was his wife, because Mao was old already…
And despite the CCP having control over China still today, she doesn’t believe China is under a Communist government. It’s literally called communist party… many Chinese people also will never know about what happened in Tianamen.
you hear a similar story from Russian immigrants- they claim their parents are often also apologists and clearly misinformed. When the state has direct control of all the information people receive its hard to be surprised the citizens believe whatever the state says. Especially when everything else seems normal to them- and it does because the state has made sure of its normality.
What did happen in tainaman ? I ask because I don't know if what I was taught is correct...
Scary and sad how the human mind works and believing what your eyes see isn't necessarily what the true reality is and it is because of this that totalitarianism communism authoritism can easily flourish
@@dawnt7664 there was a huge gathering of university students and regular folks who over the course of weeks were asking for new freedoms. The communist party feeling threatened sent in the army on 4 June 1989 and there were a lot of deaths.
@@dawnt7664 there was a massacre there in 1989 of students who were protesting for freedom.
As a Romanian person who grew up in communism I approve this message and the Polish guy message😀
Bravo mai Pulica
As a Romanian you should know that Russian army invaded Romania (like with all eastern Europe) and installed a "communist" regime over-night, having a Russian secret agent at the top of the "communist" party. The economy was dictated by Russia and there was never any Democracy. And the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia was because it wanted to break free from the Russian influence/block.
So the USSR era was an extension of the Russian Empire, that's why Russia revers Lenin.
Oh, and we also had countless deaths, and Moldova had entire trains deported to Siberia. Why? Because of Communism? No, because of the expansion of Russia.
Communism by definition means "the working people own and control the means of production", and right from the start it was the opposite (a dictatorship).
@@ubuntuposix nu sunt in totalitate de acord cu tine dar iti dau dreptate cu privire la optica prin care ideologia comunista NU reprezentat o baza pt aparitia gulagurilor sau pentru repatrierile facute in interiorul URSS ului. Am observat in ultimii ani, ca americanii sunt obsedati de ideologie si venereaza ideoligia ca fiind alfa si omega cand in realitate multe manevre sunt infaptuite pt scopuri mult mai practice decat ideologia. Pt noi, restul planetei, ideologia este doar un instrument pentru a obtine putere, pt americani ideologia a devenit bible de urmat la punct si virgula. Multe din manevrele realizate in Europa, est sau vest, au avut o motivatie geopolitica la radacina, si, uneori, vendet personale. Altedati au reprezentat conspiratii in purul sens al cuvantului. Dar aproape niciodata ideologia a nu a reprezentat litera de lege pt votanti. Si in momentul de fata votul, in cea mai mare parte a sa, in Ro si in restul Europei, este dat impotriva cuiva nu pt cineva. Ideologia e doar o pacaleala pe care americanii o musca din ce in ce mai din plin.
As an American that has never gre up in communism and hates it… I also approve this and the Polish guys message
@@darthcarnage6734 While Americans take a moment of silence and weeping about the "Communist" era in Eastern Europe, the actual people who lived there and in those times are 50% saying it was better back then.
Personally I can't find a person on my street who doesn't say that it was way better back then and that capitalists destroyed the entire industry.
I too grew up in the "Communist" era, I'm born in 1984 (and the system got replaced by US-Capitalism in 1990) and I can tell you there was and is massive US propaganda to discredit Communism. Even back in that period, there was a "Free Europe Radio" which was a US state owned non-commercial radio designed for anti-communist propaganda.
I lived in West Berlin in 1989. The people then were moving east to west, there was no migration of West Berliners to East Berlin. The wall opened on November 9, and the East Berliners all came pouring into the Western Sectors of the city, each one intent on seeing and experiencing everything that had long been denied them. Until that day I never saw East Berliners smiling. In my many trips there before the Wall came down, the best term to describe their faces was scowling. After unification, the former western parts (and only them) of Germany poured in over 30 trillion D-Marks ($19.2 trillion dollars) over 30 years to raise the quality of life in the former East Germany, and that still hasn’t been enough to right communism’s wrongs there-it’ll take generations for that to happen. There’s no better way to destroy the budding idea of communism in people than to describe its own past horrors. Communism destroys and/or enslaves all it touches, it must be seen as the malignancy that it is and dealt with honestly. There has never been a successful Marxist-Leninist government to this day.
As a person from Eastern Europe I disagree with you
No wonder when the countries, which exploited the whole world for centuries have a higher standard of life. Communism kiiled millions, capitalism kills billions and the count continues.
@@wayne4104would you rather live in a communist country?
@@Incognito334 There are no communist countries, as there will be no countries in a communist society. If you mean a socialist country, then it very much depends, what countries I’ll be able to choose from.
@@wayne4104communism kill trillions. According to your standard of judging capitalism die by counting “every day population that dead from disease”, communism kill way more than 100 million. Just look at how India and china in 80s restrict the born of babies in each family, you can already image how many unborn babies are killed by communism
As long as there is a commune, there will always be a ruling party
The reference to Possesed / Devils book is incredible. I vividly remember one part, where a cell of revolutionaries were discussing how overthrown the state and there was one professor amongs them, who said that he wrote a book where he explained it all. And no matter how noble their intentions and words about freedom are, not matter what they do, they will end up with tyrany. I remember this part, because Dostoyevsky understood nature of communism and decribed it in his absolute brilliance in one sentence.
If there is anything what you should know about communism, it is this: "No matter how noble your intentions are, no matter what you do, you will end up with tyranny."
Without any opposition we will always push for more power. It makes me wonder, is tyranny eventually always inevitable?? Checks and balances keep corruption at bay for the longest time but there will always be powerful people tht conspire in the shadows and others tht can be bought
@@goldtiger9453 that was not the point. The point was that in order to achieve communism you need to introduce policies which are tyrannical. There is no other way of achieving it. The nobility of your intentions are irrelevant, because you can promise freedom, fairness and absolute equality, but in order to do so you need to crush individuality which produces all sorts of inenequalities.
And I disagree that every political system is resulting in tyranny. Or at least they do not need tyranny to function, while communist state cannot function without tyranny.
@@capollyon I get your point and i agree communism is the worst, its also sneaky. My point is tht powerful people will always overstep.Once the few have absolute power tyranny seems like the natural endgame. Democratic Republics take longer to corrupt but inch by inch it will happen. Lol kinda like the plot to starwars
@@igualnimp yeah... when is someone using term "liberal tyranny" or "liberal fasist", you know that it is time to leave the room. Good bye.
The fundamental problem is that collectivism - communism - always places all of the power in the state, and therefore in the hands of few or possibly one person. And as we know with human nature, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and tyranny will always be the outcome.
I wish people took human nature more seriously. These ideas become much more obvious when a clinical psychologist/professor/philosopher explains it over hundreds of hours of content. Peterson cares about history and is devoted to the philosophy of science, but he has not lost his soul. He's a rare "moral" scientist. Please share his content as much as possible.
I dare to claim he would disagree with the last sentence
All glory to Jesus
Right-wingers care about fake history and erasing history. Just look at all their bickering over Critical Race Theory. Sad, bigoted people. By the way, Socialism is good. BLM.
@@dreadtrain2846 Is psychology not considered a science anymore?
@@camefromice - Or the second to the last.
Carried to it's logical conclusion there are really 2 choices. Good or evil. Atheism leads to Evil. Jesus Christ leads to good. Mic drop nuff said.
You should make video called "The truth about democracy"
"That you understand the Marxist doctrines better than anyone else ever has." That is the thing about Marxists. They usually believe they are the smartest person in the room.
You hit the nail on the head here
You mean, just like Marx himself did?
You are so on point with this!
Vice versa, their opponets tend to think so.
You mean like Jordan Peterson talking about marxism but having admitted he has never read any of Marx actual works, except for the first few pages of the Manifesto? That kind of a "smart guy"?
I will continue to repost this. One of you CZcams influencers needs to talk about this. For pride month I had over a hundred companies send me emails about honoring pride month. Same thing for black history month. Same thing for national woman’s day and Mother’s Day. But no emails for Father’s Day. But this is worse than that. I got 0 emails from companies recognizing the day of our independence. I got a couple 4th of July sales emails. But not a single email honoring the 4th of July. The birth of our great nation. The day we recognize, remember and celebrate our freedom. Is that not questionable? Not a single company? Not one! But pride month was all over the place. You don’t see something wrong with that?
ding ding ding- we got a winner
We were always strongest together thts why they want us to battle every level of our identity,they want to destroy the family.
Our boys are worth fighting for. Men should be men. The feminization of them is astounding and insidious. Luckily its mostly contained in high populated metro areas. Around here in most of the fly over states, boots beer ball caps, GOD, The American FLAG, BALLS and trucks reign supreme. the girls pick them by far over any other kind of male and they are of all races.. Their families are close, the man is the head of the house, the women are partnering with that, and discipline and love works together to make the family strong and ready for anything. I work part time, I am retired, and you should see those boys I work with, all the same good young men, all American rowdy little shits who think they own the world and they do. They are by far the average American males. Remember that. The rest are followers and will never be leaders. These boys are everywhere really. And they dont give a shit about being WOKE. They already are in the BEST way. my son always gives me a fathers day card and so does his sisters. I dont give a shit about any woke corporations they can kick rocks.
That things were supposed to be days. In one case they are wothshipping mental illness, in the second case they are being black supremacists to giving blacks special moral values, in the third case they are being feminist/hembrist. In the forucase the same in the lasr case they are being....
Pride month is anti-Marxist
"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became a truth"
-George Orwell.
I'm a Malaysian Chinese, ancestors migrated from China to Malaysia. Till this day, I still have no idea what the hell do the Chinese still like Mao.
Do you like the 4 sultan-theocracy?
brainwashing
My parents were socialists, but they never, ever called themselves such. They (my father mostly) just spoke warmly of Cuba and the USSR. It took me well into my forties before I came to terms with that, and began to reflect how these belief system affected our family and world view.
Doesn't sound too bad... Very cool that they didn't hate other countries on the basis of nationalism!
If you don't mind sharing, what did you conclude in your reflection on how it affected your belief system and worldview?
Look how many in Canada and the US think their country is great when it is not
@@biketickler65 does starving to death sound bad? Does forced labor sound bad? Pfft.
@@biketickler65 why would they hate other countries on the basis of nationalism?
"Celebrating Lenin is like celebrating Hitler."
Exactly! I always tell people that myself. Apparently, people seem to have this bizarre double-thinking that communist mass murders are somehow not as evil/real as Hitler's.... Something really wrong with people.
when and how exactly did LENIN murder anybody?? North American history classes are smth else huh
Maybe:
Lenin - Mussolini; Stalin - Hitler,
would be more historically accurate,
although there is NO moral difference
among them!
@@DM-dk7js
I have met a lot of people who celebrated Lenin and either ignored all his horrific crimes against humanity or embraced them wholly.
I just watched a video made by a Socialist who was uncommonly civil and intelligent.
I guess it's rude to say that, but my experience with Socialists has been overwhelmingly negative.
He made the argument that although the atrocities of Communism were horrifying and should never be celebrated in any sense, that they still weren't as bad as what the Nazis did because at least the Communists had good intentions and weren't trying to commit genocide.
I wasn't sure what to think. I thought he had a point, but I also thought that his argument was questionable.
@@warrioroflight6872 So the nazis didn't think they had good intentions? Hitler tried "soft ways to push jews out of from Germanic regions. At some point they even paid jews to leave and they were fond of the idea of Jews leaving to Palestine but because that obviously didn't make jews disappear he came up with "final solution". You could just as well make a claim that nazis didn't want to commit a genocide but because "they didn't manage to get message across" they were forced to go the distance.
"If only the stupid people could see that my vision of future is what's best for them I would not have to kill those who disagree with me."
I wish some of my friends would listen to you - I grew up in former Czechoslovakia, emigrated to Canada and could not believe, how many people in Canada think that socialism/ communism is something good. And they will not listen even to someone who lived through it.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe - Albert Einstein
Einstein was a socialist, he even wrote an essay about it called “Why Socialism?”. So rather than misusing his quotes to prove your point, maybe you should do a little research
@@nogibiggi154 I'm aware of Einsteins ideology however I feel this quote fits well when talking about socialist views as socialism has been tried over and over and over again but always ends horribly. The definition of insanity but it'll be different THIS time
It’s because they are brainwashed here and are not taught about where it didn’t go right and how many die from it
I guess that’s pretty accurate on handmaids tale when there’s Canadian Giliad sympathizers/ activists. It’s always the ignorant, well intentioned ppl that turn a society into hell.
Great Leap Forward ... Great Reset ... / Year Zero ... Net Zero ...!
'What's in a name', wrote Shakespeare.
These older lectures have a lot of value, and many newer viewers might miss them. Im glad to see that they're resurfacing.
I agree
I hope the DW doesn't monopolize Jordan. It's great he's joining them but my first thought was that all his videos are going to be pulled from YT and be on DW+ now.
@@firingallcylinders2949 i actually made a comment on a video 2 days ago that JP responded to. I expressed my disappointment that it seems like much of the newer long form content/interviews are being cut off with the rest being put on DailyWire and thus behind a paywall and he basically said that CZcams content will remain on CZcams.
Old shit is still shit, at least with real shit the stench decreases over time. Peterson's shit retains its odor.
@ Michiel Karskens wtf are you babbling on about?
I must say, I'm glad he has joined the Daily Wire. His wisdom and intelligence can bring a much more advanced view of the world.
well im just dissapointed you need to pay for it. his knowledge was always avaliable for free in youtube
@@migatocomeoscuridad Perhaps, but CZcams is known for taking a lot of things away that needed to be seen. I wouldn't be surprised if they deleted his content anyway had he not joined the Daily Wire.
Because imo he had nowhere else to go and to make profit it's better to go where most of your audience already is.
Mayne he can knock some sense into Shapiro.
daily wire is a dangerous playpen. They are going to get in the way if he ever needs to say anything really really true. Watch how Shapiro was silenced about the election fraud in 2020.
As a Ukrainian, whose ancestors have been left with nothing as they were on the list for Syberia, just because they were wealthy hardworking peasants, I approve of this message. My grandma's sister together with her husband was exiled to Syberia (just the second day after their wedding), and her son (my godfather) was born there. They returned when he was 5 years old - in the middle of the 50th. Collectivization just killed a Ukrainian village, man-made FAMINE, great terror, "executed renaissance"( in the 30th erasure of Ukrainian intelligence by communists). That is communism! All this past led to the invasion in 2014 and the full-scale invasion 2022.
I am albanian and yes you guys are different definitely from the Russian culture....You guys have a colorful open mind at that's good
At least they taught their citizens how to spell Siberia
@@subutaynoyan5372Lame comment
Russia has been a capitalist country since the fall of Soviet Union.
The Pavlik Morazov story was likely a myth, but is no less sinister for it. He was the one who informed on his kulak father for hiding grain. He was made a hero throughout the CCCP because his story represented the message The Party wanted to spread: Loyalty to the State and its authority figure was more important than loyalty to your own parents. Whenever the children are taught this, it ALWAYS ends in blood. ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
Jordan is necessary. Great Man
Truth in history. Truly exceptional clear thinking on display.
@Potatohead it's just perspective potatohead. Mans inhumanity to man is clearly documented as you so easily stated. I see you understand. Until you are in front of the world expressing your views. Discrediting another's opinion is nothing more than banter until your center stage. Good luck!
"Lenin was as terrible as Hitler because Stalin was Lenin's henchmen" ? Where did he get that information from ? Lenin's "henchmen" was Trotsky, Stalin weaseled his way into the Bolshevik party and power, there was a statement from Lenin that he feared Stalin gaining too much power ? J.P. trying to rewrite history for his bias ?
@@Sanguinarius9999 Nothing false is said here. Stalin was an important pawn in Lenin's regime.
My friends from Cuba really hate communism. They actually appreciate freedom way more then me.
Do they live in Cuba?
They mean their friends who got a free education in medicine in Cuba but then came to America to exploit a for profit healthcare system, while screwing over Americans who paid (or went into debt) for their education.
@@Vandal_Savage they probably escaped, many Cubans escape. You can't voice your opinion in Cuba that easily, y'know???
@@Vandal_Savage unfortunately many continue to live there, with the misfortune of not being able to say what they think and not being able to fight to change it
My Cuban friend is the most hardcore American I know. Its crazy and so respectable- reminds me what being an American is supposed to be about. (Edited to say my friend is American born but his parents left Cuba)
I talked about socialism in my book. The chapter was called "Canada has forgotten God" and isn't it increasingly apparent?
I'm glad I got to live before the advent of the internet. I miss the days of organic interaction...
Crazy how much was predicted about the 20th century by these scholars.
We are lucky to have you Dr. Peterson. Thank you for what you do.
Crazy how much was foretold in the Bible.
crazy how its happening anyway
Imagine being in science or the military back,when they owned the internet before it was let out to the general public. I believe they saw the pitfalls of this technology first hand.
What was predicted? Sorry but none of you fanboys are going to get your Gilead-inspired right-wing libertarian Christian Taliban theocracy.
@@DM-dk7js the medification of not just identity but also of daily life.
My grandparents escaped communist Cuba for the United States in 1969 with their two children and a single suitcase. Needless to say, I’m fortunate they took that risk and worked hard to afford my dad, and later my entire family, the freedoms and privileges we have in this country.
My grandfather doesn’t consider himself Cuban anymore. Instead, he’d tell you he’s a proud American. We’re thankful to live in the United States, and we pray for those oppressed by communism.
I'm sure you families ex slaves are happy your dad left Cuba
God bless.
It is interesting you say that about immigration from Cuba, my Grandparents immigrated from Mexico in the 1910s.
Last year wasn't there an opportunity for Cubans to come to the US, requesting asylum from the Socialist regime? But the Biden administration ignored these requests, instead allowing tens of thousands illegal aliens to flood through our Southern border.
Such a sad situation for well meaning Cubans to come here but to no avail.
Thanks Robert for sharing. I love to read about people's journeys in search of freedom and finding true pride in becoming Americans. After all that's what our beautiful nation is all about and was set up to be/ do.
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
@@JSp4wN the issue with those that see america as the beacon of those coming in to find new life rather than a settler colony that has pillaged the lives of millions to create one of the most oppressive societies in the world is one of the most efficient propaganda talking points wildly shared by those in the u.s. today. this country was never the beacon of New life, it only became the facade of one for its industries. Cubas revolution was one of the most important in changing its society from a plantation colony in the hands of the u.s. ruling class to that of one continuing to fight for socialism, harmed by the embargo that every country besides the u.s. and israel wants to get rid of. look into what you were raised into, 100s of millions killed in the hands of the west, numbers poorly counted with the deaths in "communist countries" by the black book of communism. you're not absolved from indoctrination, the u.s. has done that the best to keep you docile from any criticism of the idea of class antagonism.
THIS IS HISTORY
I have lived in the UK since 1981. We have never had Communism. Thatcher's reforms took hold after the Falklands war so we are mainly free market but have a welfare state. Communism remains one of the biggest causes of Nazism along with Versailles. Communism always destroys the human spirit.
Communism and utopianism destroyed my home country of Cambodia. People from US, europe, japan, Please dont take the freedoms you have for granted!
All glory to Jesus
I can't see freedom in those countries, first off all, none of them can act beyond the will of the United States, and then, the media and the social platforms are controlled and used by the ruling minority, spreading the craziest ideologies through nonsensical agendas, and using the same tools to tyranise anybody else, and to hide the economical realities.
Cambodia, the same country which the West bombed into oblivion to defend their imperialism. Hmm...
@@stuartrodgers3783 Hare Krishna
The Vietnamese Communists liberated Cambodia from Pol Pot, who was backed by the CIA.
Thank you!
You are one of the most important voices of anti-communism. There were South Koreans who lived in Cuba back then. Many left after they saw the same thing that happened in the North happening in the island.
Its so weird to see channel which has over 900 000 subscribers and still no verified mark.
Thank you
When you listen to this and look at the modern political trends, especially the WEF and you wonder if history is not repeating itself
People only talk hours and hours on existing debate which will give online views. Talk about colonialism - why Africa was under Europe until late 70s and horrors of colonialism like bengal famine, killing indigenous people in Americas . At lest Europe colonial powers should say sorry and recognize a day for shame.
He's actually a great teacher. What joy to live under the same era as these people that can get you to snap right out of illogical thinking under these divided times.
He's been pretty off the perc after his benzo episode tho.
@@speedfastman Off the perc?
@@rules4life337 No cap fr fr.
Peterson is profoundly illogical about almost every topic he speaks on. The guy literally called a magazine cover “authoritarian” because he didn’t find her attractive 😂
@@mrjpb23 Sorry. Not beautiful.
As someone from East Africa (Eth), almost everything was owned by the state (internet, electricity, water, media...). We had one of the slowest and the most costly internet in the world (browsing on my phone at 50kbps 2011). Somalia, whom they portrayed as war-torn, had a little faster internet. Power was a joke with frequent outages, where one time it was out for a week (and we just shrug). Nowdays they semi-privatized the internet service and it has gotten much faster. More companies have been allowed to compete.
The communist era of the 70s and 80s was described to me as scary. A lot of friends near my mom were picked away for having the opposition's pamphlet on hand (some reunited others unknown). Over two million have died, and seeing carcasses on the streets was the norm (sometimes deliberately left there so that people were intimidated). The man still alive somewhere in his 80s. So a large gov is a ticket to a horror show. When it offers a bad service, who can punish it and by what reassurance? We just shrugged it off. Any state only cares about expanding its power; don't contribute to it or get too comfortable with being an adult baby lullabied by a nanny state.
USA and Canada are in desperate need of voices like yours that have experienced these things..
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y in France telecoms were owned by the state, energy was owned by the state(until recently) and 100% of the rails as well. Never had a black out, we got something close to internet(was used for dating, erotic stuffs a lot xd) called minitel way before internet, and we have probably the best satisfaction for trains world wide. And we are not even socialists. How do you explain that? Peterson mixes everything when it comes to socio political paradigms. He mixes sovietism, maoism, communism, socialism in the same sentence even sometimes and he absolutely never talks about the incentives. There are never nuances, it is imho borderline revisionist.
Maybe google the words "jacobinism" and "profilaxia". Sometimes things are a certain way because it's scientifically better, there doesn't have to be ideology in every-fucking-thing.
@@nathanielnizard2163 „ATrain“ is like a „recruiter“, propagating alarmism (check his Twitter account) n like a missionary trying to indoctrinate other minds…looks like this has become a funnel too (a lot of ppl in academia r paid by CZcams now). Godspeed Murica
@@nathanielnizard2163 I think you'll agree that since the Revolution, France has adopted much of the Socialist principles (which, in my opinion, has made it a much weaker economically than it should be) with the exception being the right to allow it's citizens to have a free and fair vote on who leads her.
These Socialist values have seriously hindered France's citizens' ability to prosper. It's very well known that French policies make it extremely difficult for businesses to grow and develop.
The state loves to take money, but hates those who want to make money.
@@nathanielnizard2163 France also has laws by the government that ban Paternity tests. With the reasoning being, preservation of peace for families. I find it pretty Abhorrent in this day and age that men in France are just supposed to accept by faith and faith alone, when there is a scientific solution available. I'll be fair and say that a lot of modern society is still behind on rights regarding paternity, but not all of them are as barbaric as that. It also speaks to the terrible infidelity that must be happening in that country if they feel that hell would break loose if they allowed tests.
I understand it's slightly off topic, but you're boasting about France as if they have the right attitude. They certainly don't in that area.
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So who regulates how hard you work? If equity is the goal, who’s stopping anyone from being lazy? Where does the sense of achievement blossom? I see tyranny developing for the greater good.
To really appreciate how communism does not really love or care about people, study the life of Karl Marx. Not his Manifesto or essays, his life as a person.
You will discover a self-centered, childishly immature, and arrogant person who never talked or associated with the working class that he virtue-signaled for. A man who never worked a day in his life, with soft hands that maybe had a callous finger from writing. A man who ditched his rent and debts. A man who spent whatever money that came in his hands on his own personal pleasures of cigars and drink, while his wife and children lived in filth and hunger.
When Marx did get more money from his bourgeoisie friend, Engels, who had inherited his father's textile business and lived like an aristocrat, Marx moved into a very nice middle-class house in England, complete with servants, went on a 3-week vacation with his family, then threw a ball for his daughters with 25 guests. He went straight into debt again, and again Engels had to bail him out. Tell me, how does a man who champions the working class live it up like the very bourgeoisie he denounces? Marx also pursued every inheritance from family and friends he could, even though he wrote in his Manifesto that inheritances should be done away!
He later had an illegitimate child with his housekeeper provided by Engels (Really, a housekeeper? How hypocritically bourgeoisie and exploitative of the proles!) and then ignored the child so he would not hurt his reputation. The child had to enter Marx's house through the back door in the kitchen to see his mother. The BLM founders brag of being Marxist trained yet have no problem with Marx's behavior that resembles what their grandparents endured in the Jim Crow South!
There's more, but Marx's arrogance and materialistic grasping for his own interest is the example of every Marxist today. Look at Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim Jong, Chavez, and the BLM founders who live like the rich and famous while their people suffer from poverty and starvation.
Marxism is grifter's game to enrich the promoter who doesn't care for the rubes he or she claims to advocate for. Marx's personal life demonstrates that.
Amazing comment.
@@igualnimp whawhaaawhaatabout
Well put my friend
Lol i don't think you have read about his life. He was well beloved by his family and friends. Maybe read what his daughters, wife and friends said about him? He also worked really hard. He probably didn't do much hard labor , but he read and studied incessently. The reason why he is so admired and influential is because he worked really hard on his ideas. Most people, like Peterson, don't even bother with his writings (beyond the Manifesto) and instead just repeat the same Cold War propaganda about anything communism
Yep. Even his followers couldn't stand him much of the time. He was a monster while he lived . The world would have been far better without his existence. One of the sorriest individuals to ever live.
About: "pouring money into Cuba" from the USSR, the money went mostly in weapons and oil. The biggest chunk of it never remained in Cuba, instead it was used to promote socialist revolutions in Latin America and Africa (Salvador, Peru, Congo, Angola, Nicaragua, Ethiopia and so on). The USSR would provide the means and Cuba the canyon meat.
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I hope you're using a VPN.
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我很喜欢龙虾教授，他关于现代女性的一些看法我很喜欢，但是他对于马克思主义和毛泽东认识的不够深刻，事实上，marx将他的人类伟业分成两个部分，socialism et communism，视频里说的都是有关socialism的内容，他们与真正的被marx描述出来的communism大相径庭。另外，毛泽东此人并不能算作斯大林的简单复制版本，great leap 带有严重官僚主义性质，cultural revolution则沾染上了anarchy
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Chinas population went from 400m to 900m under Mao Zedong. Men Lie, woman Lie, numbers don’t.
May the revolutionary spirit of Mao Zedong live on forever
Dr. Peterson is absolutely right.
My grandmother was living an ordinary happy life as a university student in pre-communist Romania in the late 1930s, but that all changed in 1940 when the Soviet Union invaded her home region of Bessarabia (modern-day Moldova). She, along with her mother and younger brother and sister, was deported to a gulag concentration camp somewhere in northern Russia, not because they committed any crime, but simply because her father was a businessman (he owned a small shoe factory) and held anti-communist views, which automatically qualified him and anybody even remotely related to him as "enemies of the working class". My grandmother's siblings were later taken away and sent to an orphanage. She met them again only 10 years later in 1950 (her brother later disowned her because he hated Jews and she married my grandfather who was Jewish). Her mother, unfortunately, didn't survive the harsh cold of Siberia and my grandmother had to bury her with her bare hands in that snowy wilderness, without a proper funeral and without a tombstone to mark the grave.
Greetings from Germany.
I am from Romania too
Lived 14 years in the era Ceausescu.
Brutal times.
Sorry for my bad English.
*Thats why I will never get up arms and I will use them to PROTECT me and my family from CRIMINALS, LEFTIST ZEALOTS and the STATE itself if NECESSARY. I'll DIE defending FREEDOM before I will LIVE as a slave*
It kind of sounds like your family were rightists and possible Nazi collaborators considering their stance on Jews and their economic status. I'm willing to bet the conditions in that factory were horrid. They absolutely were enemies of the working class.
Maybe Romania shouldn't join Nazi Germany in invasion on USSR? You are just a hypocrit, like Jordan Peterson.
@@vladtheimpaler5440 Your english is quite good. Gott segne
Dr. Peterson, thank you for this excerpt of your lecture on communism. I started moving to the right politically in the 70s (my 20s) when I became frustrated with my friends who thought that everyone had to have the same, "correct," position on all political and moral issues. But I carried a question with me to this day, "Why would people blandly excuse the suffering, death, and destruction of human relationships that occur in communist countries while enthusiastically endorsing or even acting to help bring about communism in a country where it can be done 'right'?" Having since then completed a liberal arts B.A. with an emphasis in Russian and Soviet history, and developed friendships with a number of people who grew up and lived in communist countries, I continue to ask myself the same question but with a greater intensity. I always have suspected that people who endorse communism think that somehow they will be in a protected position (income, status) in a communist system; they do not understand there is no real protection for anyone in that system. Your comment about people thinking that if they were in charge of the system, the system would work is, I think, very insightful and helps me answer my long-standing question. Thank you for your thoughtful work! May God bless you and your family.
I agree with Dr Peterson that it doesn't matter where or when, it doesn't work. Evil men condone the evil that other men do.
Rom 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature,
Rom 1:27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Rom 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper,
Rom 1:29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unfeeling, and unmerciful;
Rom 1:32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them.
You think that you are protected in liberal world? think again. Communism gives protection from the point of view of stability, where the state (should) provide education and work for everyone. thing is, it takes too much recources and the world is not ready.
It is pretty simple. People delude themselves into believing that they are "special" when, in fact, they are not. Everyone wants to be the ringleader of the circus and nobody wants to be the guy cleaning up the elephant poop. There is one ringleader and there is a 99.9% chance that you will be the guy cleaning up poop. All these Communist professors that praise the virtues of Communism and brainwash impressionable kids into good little Communists fail to see that in nearly every Communist revolution the first people rounded up and shot in the street are the "intellectuals". If you ask them they all will say that they will be the one guy who worms their way into the inner circle while all the rest of their colleagues are put in a ditch. They won't. They are useful idiots.
I believe that it is because they are blinded by sin. They've rejected God, and as such will cling to lies and reject the truth. Until they actually suffer themselves, their eyes won't open, and even then may not.
Hello sir, im actually a mathemathian but pretty interested on how communism governs behaves. Actually read that u complete some carrer with metion on that part of our history of human kind. Would u help me with some references an books of that? Anyone would be accepted
It's insane to me how many people don't realize that national socialism is socialism as well.
*A lesson in Power* At 9 years old, I was chosen to be a camp counselor for a day, I refused. Then I was chosen to be Unit Director for the day (camp Boss). I accepted. Later that day, I got too bossy with the older guys that worked at the camp. They threaten to beat me up. So, I brought myself under control. That was my lesson about abusing power.
As a Czech person who was born to the Czechoslovakian Socialist Republic I approve this message and those of the Vietnamese, Polish, Lithuanian and all other messages of this sorts!
When I see ‘young communists’ or someone with Che on their t-shirt in countries that did not experience communism, I feel a horrible rage over their insulting arrogance!
lol you didn't experience communism. You experienced russian imperialism. The difference between the USSR and the Tzar was that the soviets were more industrialized and had enough manpower and weapons to conquer all of eastern europe, while tzarist russia could barely invade poland
@@SatchelChannel you are proving my point.
@@SatchelChannel barely invade?? They literally split the country between them and their foreign friends, held the power for 123 years, murdered and oppressed millions of people and actively tried to annihilate polish culture.
Che was Hansom , Charming and a ruthless murderer.... I often wonder if he were ugly... would people think he was so cool.
I was born in People's Republic of Poland. Strictly speaking we only tried to build communism - the 'true one', however, it took us about 40 years to realize this was impossible.
Dr. Jordan Peterson is so critically important in today's society! He's the beacon of sanity in this increasingly insane world!
Which is precisely why he was banned from Twitter.
@Erika Rouby we also have Thomas Sowell, but he's now in his 90s. God bless them both.
@Erika Rouby search him on CZcams. There are many.
Like he is the best. Sikeeeee.
He's a beacon of ignorance. It didn't cross his mind that the USSR was an extension of the Russian Empire (which invaded militarily all the countries of Eastern Europe to install "Communist" regimes, having Russian Agents at the top). The 1968 CzechoSlovakian invasion was because it wanted to break free from the Russian influenced block.
And what he says in the end is so ignorant.. "you think you understand the Marxist doctrine (to implement Communism)". It doesn't cross his mind that you don't have to be a Marxist to be a Communist, in fact if you read Marx and Engels, you realize they are just critics of Capitalism, don't take the time to explain HOW would the working class rule (which is essentially the definition of Communism), but they do take the time to criticize real rational Communist thinkers.
It doesn't cross his mind that if you have the US against you (sanctioning, agents infiltrating the country) anywhere, the Gov is forced to take Martial Law like measures, terrorizing people with secret police, while the county is getting crushed by the embargo/sanctions. It doesn't cross his mind that there can be a Rational Democracy. That any thug Dictator can pretend that the people are doing the ruling, thus its a "Communist" regime.
Yes.
love you Dr JP
I am 23 year's old and I had lived my whole life in Cuba, I don't know anything else than crisis and people just talks about how hard is life here, or how much they want to leave 😟
I'm reading the gulag archipelago right now at Jordan's recommendation. What I've read so far is jaw dropping. I'm thankful for him making me aware of it. The amount of unforgettable lessons that can be learned from looking back at these regimes cannot be understated
How many break ins u experience a day ? do u have the technology rights or $ to keep them out of yer home vandalizing and poisoning yer food ? are u a slave? by chance? Lmao!
That book can give you nightmares. Very poignant and disturbing, especially the parts we see staging here today.
I could recommend also read Kolyma Tales by Varlam Shalamov.
@@BorisBelomor cool! thx! ...I will try, that's something I know I can really get into , I've tookin up interest in this a lot over the past 5yrs or so ? haha.
I'm sure this will be way ! better than Alexander's Gulag archipelago book series . Which I thought was anticlimactic / dull , personally even though nobody! agrees lol! ....., but on the contrary he was a legit hero for the record I think..., just not a good writer haha. Yeah sounds ! interesting, although I'll have to find a copy of the book, cuz it's hard for me to enjoy MOST audio books now when trying to enjoy classic literature nowadays something else this lifestyle has tookin from me😔.....
Lol , (dark humor laugh out loud btw).
You’re reading a work of fiction
His now no holds bar, unapologetic, direct approach is a marvel to witness. We'd all be so lucky to speak with the conviction & fortitude of Dr. Peterson. The greatest lesson of the 20th century is that Mao, Hitler & Stalin live in all of us and under the wrong circumstances that darkness will be revealed for all to suffer under.
you forgot those who killed people in Nam, Central and South America, and the Middle East... or killing natives of other countries don't count?!
Mao and Stalin were based. Cope and seethe angloid.
this is not new! JP has always been a beast. this lecture is from a few years ago
a marvel? you gotta get outta the house, impressionable one
Meat riding is insane
As an American born Lithuanian, my family would like my Ancestors Land and Factory back.
Dr. Peterson's lecture is a great intro to this subject. I also have to recommend James Lindsay's in-depth tracing of the historical threads from "woke-ism" (communism retooled for the 21st century) back to "classical marxism" and ultimately, to ancient Gnostic religion.
It goes to show why it's a mistake to try very hard to reason with communist agitators. Their words are devices to advance their agenda by way of language; they aren't looking to engage you per se. If you press hard you will get cynicism, relativism, redefinitions of words, misdirections to boogeymen, "real communism has never been tried," et cetera.
If they come to terms with the sum total of their tactics they cease to be communists. We can hope and pray they do but it's not very common.
Likewise, it only takes a small leap of faith to conclude communism is evil, systematized as much as it can be; and well-placed faith opens the door to understanding.
Mass conformity doesn't have a good track record, historically.
Very eloquently put hmmmm.......🤔.
@@chaosdweller Thanks.
Wether he knows it or not, Peterson, made the same points that Fulton J. Sheen said in a televised speech at least 50 years prior. They agreed that Fyodor Dostoevsky’s book Demons a.k.a. The Possessed foretold what would occur in Russia in less than 40 years of his death.
Peterson has no clue on what communism is The Definition of a Soviet:
A soviet is a system of councils that report to an apex council and implement a predetermined outcome, often by consensus, affecting a region or neighborhood.
Members of a soviet council are chosen by virtue of their willingness to comply with that outcome and their one-mindedness with the group
Soviets are the operating mechanism of a government-controlled economy, whether it be socialism or government-corporate ("public-private") partnerships
Change agents are working with opportunists and other foolish people by coordinating government, business, NGO, and "non-profit" partners to implement a soviet system in your county, too.
In 1980 Ronald Reagan became the American president. This presidency is commonly referred to as the Reagan Revolution. During these years, under the complete control of the Neo-
conservatives, the economic, political and social environment was prepared to bring back into existence worker control of the means of production.
These Neo-conservatives were successful in converting Socialist rhetoric into a Conservative-newspeak.
The economic, political and social reforms of the Reagan Revolution made possible a most necessary evolutionary step for Capitalism, the creation of the basics for a fully functional self-regulating society.
What was once termed as a Soviet work council is now known as
Self-directed Work Team,
Natural Work Group,
Employee Involvement Team or
Total Production Management.
These are the basic building blocks of Socialism.
@@raycogo3302 so you have a clue, isn't it?
@@OM-df9lj yes i do unlike many Americans today and others
@@raycogo3302 could be, but, please, dislike communism more! I know what communism is from inside. Thanks God, it's over in this part of the world!
@@OM-df9lj user...now why would i want production = consumption and a self regulating classless society? you know why top Marxist (not the idiots that follow them )why they call capitalist "useful idiots"because capitalist are creating what they hate...by trying to perfect capitalism they are creating the system they want to avoid.
It is interesting how every talk about communism seems to ignore the existence of Yugoslavia, a country that actually prospered under communism, no doubt that almost every other country suffered under communist regime but they all seem to ignore this one instance in which it actually worked (until 90s). As if they are, and the capitalist system , too fragile to acknowledge its existance.
We don’t live in that period of time anymore. The world has changed drastically in ways that if communism was fully implemented, it would turn into a complete societal hellscape in a matter of a decade. With the advent of AI and mass surveillance, and bio technology, things would quickly go from bad to incomprehensibly worse. Communism is just an ideology, totalitarianism would be the system required to implement it. AI/modern technology and totalitarianism do not mix. We would be forever handing over any last bit of human freedom and autonomy over to the few on top who are faulty human beings like anyone else. It just would not work on a long time scale.
The motivations behind the atrocities committed by Hitler, Stalin, and Mao differed significantly. Hitler's regime was driven by a racist ideology that sought to eliminate specific groups deemed inferior, while Stalin's and Mao's regimes were driven by political ideology and the consolidation of power. Some argue that the deliberate targeting of specific ethnic and religious groups by Hitler's regime sets it apart in terms of moral culpability. Ultimately, comparing the atrocities committed by different leaders and regimes is a complex and contentious exercise. Each regime had its own distinct characteristics, motivations, and consequences, and the question of which is "worse" often depends on the criteria and perspectives one chooses to apply.
This is the exact type of lectures we should be getting at Universities.
it wouldn't really say much
Fat chance.
The tenured communists would sooner eat their shorts.
We should get a bunch of propaganda that will help lead us to climate catastrophe?
Good luck when your failed slavery economic system leads humanity to extinction.
It is great propaganda. The exact thing that professors are NOT supposed to do. We are supposed to encourage reading and critical thought. China is the number one economy in the world. Is it due to "communism" or state-control, or mafia tactics? If Communism created economic disaster, what do you call it when Communists create wealth? Slavery creates a lot of wealth for the few, same as monarchy, same as Western banksterism. Peterson calls the slave system of Canada "freedom". Hmm.
@@combativeThinker what Countries are you all in? most all college in the USA and their professor are capitalist and teach anti communism. Watch this debunking "Truth About Communism" Video Caleb Maupin
My neighbours are Latvian. My best friends and colleagues at work are Romanian and Hungarian….Jordan Peterson is the only speaker I have found that can do justice to the pain they have described to me during the many many hours of conversation about life in Eastern Europe. There is a callous cold strength instilled in them that was put there by their parents knowingly at the expense of their relationship. Jordan is the only person that can convey the social pain required to create conditions where that is normal. Bravo. It only makes me sad I never found myself being taught by someone with so much passion. Nihilism cost me my 20’s and it need not have.
Your friends are 80 years old?
I'm guessing your a Londoner
Latvia 💪
You have no idea what you are writing about. You have absolutely no idea what Socialism and Communism are. Go tell it to the Chinese, who are the world's first real economy today, and the Chinese today are the happiest people in the world. Your friends pis.ed in your ears in order to be closer to the americans, who might give them a "beautiful life." hahaha
Latvians are not Eastern European but Northern European
I am bulgarian. I am 16 years old i cant say if it is the best regime or the worst but i can say it leave a lot after his fall and another thing i cant listen a man who hadnt lived in socialist country.
Appreciate Dr.Peterson , After this clip, I totally realized the dialogues in fight club makes so much sense “ we are the middle children of history no place or purpose, our only war is spiritual war, our only depression is our lives “ modern society constantly tries to define , give a name and look for validation name it religion, political theories, spirituality, meaning of life, travel, pursuit of truth we zig zag into diff world views because there’s nothing important to accomplish than to destroy the accomplishments made by prior humans
As a Russian person who grew up in communist regime I disapprove this message
As a Russian person who was born after USSR I agree with you
me too
Some really dont grasp the magnitude of Dr Petersons excellence, He is a living legend
DM youre on all of his videos even though you hate him . Jesus grow up and get a life.
Agreed, he’s made my life a better place to be, brilliant man.
I think we do and appreciate all his work but, He never attacks the System, just the people that got it wrong. Would love to see him stealman this topic.
@@DM-dk7js Youv'e refuted nothing, lol. Get off your high horse.
Peterson is appreciated for the magnitude of his ego and his posturing.
Scholars differ on the immensity of the magnitude of each. A good reference is an article called " the intellectual we deserve".
I am seriously worried about your finances as well as your particular journey if you think Pete is anything excellent let alone a legend.
Being in High School in the late 70s, I remember one of my teachers saying a perfect Communism and a perfect Democracy are ultimately the same thing. In my lifetime (especially in the most recent years), I have come to realize “ there in no such thing as a perfect man made government”.
What is a 'perfect democracy'? What is 'perfect communism?' --
Communism was my teachers words, not mine, so let’s substitute communism with socialism, I would imagine a perfect one of either one would mean all needs are met, all people contribute to the positive functioning of the government, all leaders only desire to work for the good of the people, not just their own ambitions. Basically “doing unto others as we would have done to ourselves”.
@@edcrane4438 A lot of my school teachers were morons too.
If you had perfect people with a perfect culture you wouldn't need any people at all. Government is supposed to exist to secure and preserve liberty by ensuring that those who exploit or harm others are punished, not to make life fair.
Demonocracy is just another form of communism.
The perfect system is the one which practices the Catholic faith given by God faithfully.
I got to say, this is one of the very few Dr Peterson ‘s video that i find lacks depth and nuance in his analisys
Tens of millions according to a fantasy writer Solzhenitsyn, but according to a historical science - 0.6 mil. Good old Jordan Peterson with his implementation of "Big lie" method
The crimes of the USSR are well documented, and not just by Solzhenitsyn. Yes, tens of millions. You are the liar, making excuses for the totalitarianism of Stalin and the rest of the rulers of the USSR.
@@Evil0tto nope, you are the liar
Hello Dr Peterson, have you ever listened to Dante's symphony by Franz Liszt? I would love to hear your thoughts on it, especially the first movement (inferno)
I just listened to that.
What could he even say about it? He's not a critic of music
You have no thoughts yourself?
As a Chinese mainlander and born in late 90s, i have to admint that there are rarely materials about the four “social movements” available in public back to 20th since PRC established and it is wise for most of us as normal people to not talk about it out laud openly. i don't know what the real situation is back that special period and i have to say that's a little scared of me actually after heard what professor said.
为啥不怕资本主义的经济危机呢
What about Yugoslavia?
The resurrection of communist philosophy in America is disturbing and we need to resist it. Communists never rest, we cannot rest. "Communism is the methamphetamine of the people"- James Lindsay
who the fuck is James Lindsay
Communism is appealing to the poor especially in places with not a lot of economic opportunities often people see it as the only solution.
My parents escaped Hungary in '56 to Austria. Both were on the BLACK list & if found would have been shot or gulag bound to starve/die there. My siblings and I were born American Citizens and love this country dearly... May the end of the Monster called communism be soon
Greetings from Hungary, friend. I know a lot of people fled then, some of my relatives went to Australia. The revolution was of course suppressed and it was declared a "counter-revolution" later on. My grandpa was there in Budapest as a young man, took photos from the rooftop (sadly the photos got damaged and became unusable). He saw young people die that day.
After the Soviet Union had collapsed, the day of Revolution became a national holiday and it's celebrated all over the country every year, as one of our biggest holidays.
Communism will not die until moral systems that are based on Altruism (which is self-destruction for the sake of self-destruction, that's what it literally is) are examined and replaced by something objectively pro-human life and individualistic.
Democracy is about to change into it though.
@@thenonexistinghero Democracy is a fancy way of saying Mob Rule.
@@equaltoreality8028 Depends on the execution. And none of the existing democracies even are ruled by mobs.
"What cosmic games can we create"
I have so much respect for Jordan Peterson for his excellent public speaking ability and stances on several topics but this video just shows that his economic or historical knowledge is not just limited but quite biased especially considering his childish arguments about number of deaths. Whoever want better understanding about socialists’ response to this argument I highly recommend to search “count-the-death” video by Richard Wolff. I consider myself communist but not exactly like Marx describes. However, I have some points about left wing arguments.
1) The most important thing is to understand that where left wing ideas come from. During French revolution leftists fought for revolution and change while rightist defend the established system which is a monarchy. Not going into details, if rightists were superior, people would still be in monarchy.
2) If communism is and will always be a failed system why US spend billions to stop the spread of leftist ideas even killing the people who try to oppose the existing system in Latin America and other 3rd world countries whenever they can? There are countless cases all over the world.
3) Jordan Peterson said that Soviet would accept the annihilation of Cuba if it would mean the defeat of the US. Something US would never do like they already did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan was already losing war but US officials decided that it is not enough. Japan was already losing the war and there was no point to totally destroy 2 cities and even “monsters” like Stalin and Mao would not do that. However, when it comes to deaths of people, all western public speakers only talk about Stalin and Mao and others.
4) I do not support Soviet Union policies but displaying the evilness of one side while turning a blind eye to the other’s even worse crimes is unacceptable.
5) And to those who comment and all agree with Jordan Peterson’s statements, living in western countries and praising it without knowing their blatant crimes in Africa and other 3rd world countries is just hypocrisy. US, Canada or Europa do not have much better lifestyles because capitalism, it is simply because they exploit other countries, creating new war zones to sell their weapons and so on.
As a Lithuanian person who grew up under a communist regime and whose family memeber died in Siberian gulags, I approve this message. Kudos to Polish and Romanian guys here.
Cope
As a Serbian person who grew up in a lovely Yugoslav socialist society based on communist principles nurtered away from the Stalin's perversion of the original principles I disagree with Jordan's simplistic view
Then that is not true communism.
@@igornovakovic1179 : I am sure every totalitarian thug communist agrees with you.
@@keeanuherrera3846 Cope, seethe and mald, commie.
Another cool thing about this video is toward the end the crowd goes so totally silent you can hear him swallow and the crowd listened to every Ms of it and didn't budge
Do you think the American Indians prospered in a democracy ?
Dr. Peterson. My grandfather's fought for my country, your country, and now our veterans are dismissed. My grandfather's told me not to serve because our leaders don't care about me. They were right! I've watched it for over 40 years. Please explain again why sociopathy will destroy humanity. Have a great day. Thank you sir.
Communism is not about everyone having something. It's about no one having anything. No risk, no reward, no reason...no reality.
I agree. it's also about hatred for those that have more
Reality is not really tied to materialistic expectations, or selfish expectations, those concepts are western specific. Community thinking is different, you own as a community, you risk as a community and get rewarded as a community, you celebrate or fail all together, and many traditions are fine with that. If it doesn't work for the west, it does certainly work for the east, just because they have different traditions backed by a much different history.
It's not about nobody having anything but about most having the bare minimum while a few have everything.
The party leaders have everything.
So is the capitalism, eh? Living on the minimum wage is not a slavery, it is a free market smh
EVERYONE needs to watch "Yuri Bezmenov's warning to america 1984" - SPREAD THE WORD, this is extremely important!
He never mentions yugoslavia , nor the german national socialism (i mean cutting out the racist idealogies and be it left with some political and economical doctrines) .
The nuclear crisis is USA's fault as much as USSR's, yet here Dr. Petersons speaks about it while listing the terrors of communism.
I was born in Armenia in 1997, a few years after the fall of the Soviet Union. My parents and most of my family moved to Canada by the end of the 90's but had lived their whole lives in the Soviet Union. The main reason for my family's departure was a lack of work, food and just the minimal needs to survive. What intrigues me the most, and I'm not here to compare the communist party in China to the Soviet one, is that any person that I asked, who lived more than 20 years in the CCCP, all tell me that their lives were better during the Soviet Union, most probably not under Stalin for they were not alive yet but under different Premiers of the Soviet Unions. My point is, you should listen to people that lived in the Soviet Union and get their side ofnthe story for they lived during that time and they know how life was.
Nevertheless, keep on doing these amazing lecture Dr. Peterson 🤟
Communism has to build walls to keep people in. Capitalism has to build walls to keep people out.
As a cuban who grew up under communism and lived 25 years there, I approve of this tremendous message. The myth of the cave in Plato is a clear example of the way we live under a military communist system. Actually, is even worst.
you would be mad if you saw how many leftists in my country (🇧🇷) love Castro and Guevara.
You are just a Тra1t0r
@@Davi237f He might get an accurate mental image of reality if he went to Colombia and Haiti to see how wonderful capitalism is there.
@@googlesucks662 Capitalism has been great for society, tell me which system works better, we had far more starving people in the past, before capitalism. Have you even been to Haiti or Columbia I have and almost every single country in SA and Central American islands, over 100 different countries in this great planet we call earth, and none of those people are trying to immigrate anywhere but capitalistic countries PERIOD. Do you even have a pass port?, as a huge chunk of Americans do not.
@@ryans1623 LOL. I have travelled extensively, including to China. It seems to work far better for society than capitalism, which you would have seen working so well in your travels in Central America and Haiti and had those travels of yours (you would think you could spell Colombia correctly) included travel to China. Lots of people immigrate to China and Vietnam as difficult as they make it for people to do so. Of course, they didn't steal a continent from others and genocide those others as they did so so neither China nor Vietnam have historically had a need for immigration. China's largest city, FWIW, seems to be about 20 years more technologically advanced than western cities, there are no slums to be seen, no homeless on the streets (though there are many trying to hawk products to you) and there are high speed trains. Lots of high speed trains.
Countries in perfection for totalitarian politics N.Korea, Eritrea, and Cuba. Difference to dictatorship, totalitarian regimes put their people in to misery and totally own the wholesome of lives.
As a Polish person please read the story of Mieczysław Jałowiecki, "Na skraju imperium" and "Free City" and others.
< A > Nietzsche said many things (not a big fan of him) - most of those things he said or was attributed to have said either do not make any sense at all - or - they constantly contraddict each other; < B > Quote: "Hopefully we'll learn something from it." ...huh!... Well! Here is the "fun-fact" - on Monclair State University you still have a "professor" like "furry grover" that gets paid by the STATE (of N.J. and relative taxpayers) to "TEACH" (among many other things!) that "the KATYŃ MASSACRE was PERPETRATED BY THE NAZIS" and that the "SOVIETS NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT WHATSOEVER!" This a member of the "American Academia" ! If you want to know we REMEMBER COMMUNISM and its REAL FACE ...IN MY HOMELAND - POLAND! - in the CZECH REPUBLIC! - in ROMANIA! - etc., etc., etc. ...but YOU - AMERICANS ! - who never lived one day under a TRULY TOTALITARIAN REGIME KEEP THIS GUY BECAUSE OF SOME "RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH" ??? You have been informed with lectures - historical materials - EYEWITNESSES ACCOUNTS & FROM HUNDREDS OF SOURCES WHAT COMMUNISM WAS AND (look at putin!) - STILL IS! ...and yet you still have PLENTY that believe PURE DEMAGOGUERY AFTER THE MILLIONS COMMUNISM HAD KILLED. Imagine for a second if the guy was a "Holocaust-denier"! ...he would have (& rightfully so) lose his job and BE PUT UNDER TRIAL THE VERY NEXT DAY AFTER ONE OF HIS IDIOTIC SPEECHES (which he calls "lectures", allowing him to cash his monthly cheque) ...but ! ...since it is COMMUNISM we're talking about and not NAZISM ...then ... what??..."no biggie" huh ??... and the guy goes on LYING to any damn fool who's ready to listen to him. HOW COME??
What they say is; "But real socialism just hadn't tried yet".
What they really mean is; "We haven't had our turn yet".
Hah, hah, hah, indeed!
Actually, socialism seeks to create communism. To be accurate, socialism was tried, but communism was never achieved. And yes, certain socialists haven't had their turn yet. China and Vietnam seems to be heading in the right direction. Let's see what comes out of it in the decades to come. Let's just hope NATO doesn't get their way with their Xinjiang and Taiwan fake narratives to hurt China's attempt at communism.
"True Socialism" is global socialism. If there is any way to escape from their totalitarian psychopathy then it's not "real socialism".
I think it was tried, and it failed, but it was already implemented so it cannot be undone so what happens is that it morphed into Stalinism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism and every socialist ideology that killed hundreds of millions of people
This needs to be heard by all psych students/grads!! It is crazy how students are taught quotes from the collaborators of communism (e.g. Marx) yet aren't taught about their history, nor of the consequences of what their communist ideas lead to! Psych was one of my majors *cries* and one of my professors just made us memorise Nietche's "God is dead and we have killed him" quote without any context or elaboration as to what conclusion such a position led to (which was nihilism or totalitarianism as JP said)... if i remember correctly she used the quote to support how we are in a much freer post-modern society. Madness. Unis (maybe more so social sciences) are creating walking zombies rather than comprehensive thinkers.
BUT, am so grateful to have this teaching available! May more students see it.
Don't worry. I scoff at those communist/heavy socialist kids who think their utopia can exist. They preach about "fairness" and eating the rich as they sip their $8 coffees fucking around on their $1,000+ laptops. It's cute.
As my Cambodian friend says. Come to Cambodia in the 80s and tell me how much u love communism
One small correction, it leads to nihilism which then inspires totalitarianism. Nihilism is chaos without the structure and responsibility (of Christianity in this case) to provide security, predictability and order. This chaos is then compensated with an equally intense degree of order. But I wonder why does that lead to death? And why do people no longer support Christianity (besides the Literalist insistence that the stories are historically true).
@@tristanbaker8198 Small but important - fair enough and thanks for the correction.
Pretty big questions there haha. I know the absolute basics but by no means knowledgeable. But, i would suppose that in the process of a nation swinging from nihilistic to high order the conditions are just right for someone who is persuasive, dominant, power hungry to be chosen. And people are welcoming of this because, perhaps, it is in our DNA to desire someone/thing above us (security, guidance, order). And perhaps when you have gone from one side of the pendulum you are welcoming of the complete opposite (e.g. alcoholics overcome addiction by going cold turkey...?).
It leads to death because the rulers are power hungry and prideful . Once they have gained a certain level they will not give it up, even if that means your people starving because of the structure you have chosen to govern your country (and of course they won't admit the structure i.e. commusim, doesn't work.. it keeps the people in a weakened position which thus keeps them elevated/in power).
Now your last question... lol... not sure i can answer via youtube comment haha
Judging an idea by its misapplication would lead one to dismiss Christianity just as you suggest we should dismiss communism.
Actually, thinking about it, communism has a key tenet which it shares with Christianity: "To each according to their need, from each according to their capacity".
Communism insofar as it can be reduced to this tenet would effectively amount to applied Christianity, reduced to Christ's core teaching.
The problem with Socialism/Communism is that it can only come into existence through a forced top down approach. Inherit to that is an utter lack of checks and balances as all power is centralized. This ignores the sin nature of man and leads, ultimately, to those who promote this wicked economic policy to assume power over everyone else while being the only ones to reap any benefit. The rest suffer with their so called "equity" or as the head of WEF likes to say "You will own nothing and be happy" (or else).
My grandfather was born in 1924. I asked him how he lived under Stalin. He said it was better than it is now (1990s).
How was it better under stalin with 9 million people perishing in the gulags and over 27 millions perishing in the Siberia concentration camps. Go learn before coming to write laughable foolishness that only betrays your ignorance and stupidity together with that of your grandfather, who apparently was one of the criminals who perpetrated a lot of crimes against innocent people just to survive. How pathetic
what class was your father?
@@Blight-eo4yk From the peasants.=) Mostly military (Ukrainian by nationality). The family served under the tsar, then under the Soviet government.
*Now, go ask the millions of "grandfathers" that were sent to the Stalin's Gulags in Siberia the same question. Oh wait -- over 90% died.* Your grandfather had a great sense of humor.... lmao 🤣🤣🤣
@@Absurd-Woman You know better. You weren't born in the USSR, you didn't communicate with people of that time or relatives. You haven't studied the documents that are in the public domain. Trillions of ruined souls in the Gulag personally by Stalin. Hating Russians is certainly fun, but being dumb is no longer funny.
I am from Cuba and it really gets me mad when some uneducated person says to me that they want “Free Stuff from the government” they have no idea how destructive “Free” is. Nothing is free. I believe if you do not work you should not eat. Sounds hard it is still better than the communist alternative.
As someone who’s had a few conversations with Cubans, while on vacation, thank you for saying this :)
How about the working class who had jobs and services cut because wall Street had to be bailed out, socialism for the rich it seemed like there, should those individuals who lost their jobs(specifically in industrial towns and cities of the US) do without food because they got put out of work?
@@C12341 Yeah exactly, even during the financial crash over 14 years ago, towns in the UK such as Preston had their councils budget cut by like 30% compared to London which barely saw any cuts...How much production is there in Preston compared to London? Not much at all, so the cuts there is just not necessary, its telling the bottom 80% "we all need to tighten our belts" when that's alright if we are wearing the same trousers, but we all know that just isn't the case.
We were also told that those austerity measures were needed to cut debt, but that just isn't the case as every European country that applied those same austerity policies actually had more debt years after the financial crisis than what they did when they first went into it? Why? Because of a lack of growth, Italy is a prime example, Italy returned a surplus for like 20 years, they balanced their books quite well actually, but their growth model was not great, they barely grew at all, because their economic model isn't an exporting economy such as Germany, the UK or even some countries in the east of Europe.
Check out professor Mark Blyth from Brown University, Rhode Island. He goes into detail with this.
@@dynamitecity9667 Wall street had to be bailed out because of a cancerous, destructive government mandate. The US government forced banks to lend money to people who couldn't afford to pay it back. That mandate caused a bubble. When that artificial bubble popped, it destroyed wealth.
@@dafunkmonster It destroyed wealth? During those years of recession, the richest weren't the most affected, it was those at the bottom who benefit from public programs the most, because those programs were being cut. It happened here in the UK as well. Banks were becoming greedy. Lending to someone who can't afford it is predatory behaviour.
When they start talking about making a utopia, run
as a kid who grow up when america bombed my country and my parenets having amazing life in Yugoslavian communism.. .how rich were they and have soo many opportunities,how the firms they work gave them a free payed time to spend with their family and cherished their work and seeing people calling on “Brotherhood and Unity!” and actually meant and me now working for 14 hour shift my boss could care less about my life and i am not payed even the 30 % of my dads paycheck ...yeah american/european democracy whoohoo
I say the following words as a developer in Red China: For those who have been harmed in former socialist countries, I express my deep sympathy. No exploration is smooth sailing, even rocket launches succeed after multiple failures. Society progresses in twists and turns, meaning setbacks happen occasionally, but when you widen the timescale, you'll see humanity is ultimately moving towards progress. When your loved one hurts you, you might feel like you've lost faith in love, but really, it's just losing hope in that specific person from the past. That past lover doesn't represent love. Past failures of socialist and communist practices don't define the ultimate form of communism, and even that form will evolve gradually. History never truly ends.
Always a pleasure to see & hear Dr. Peterson! ❤
Great video. I just watched a video prior to this regarding philosophers and their influence ranked in a tier list. Peterson is in F tier because the sentimentalities and emotions of the author of the video got in his way in conveying a message regarding history's minds battling it out with faith, religion, science and God. Thank you for speaking and for attempting to find the Truth. I appreciate the seeker in others. The aforementioned individual whom authored the tier list philosophy video is in dire need of more gratitude, He would benefit greatly from this video and many others, although I doubt the taint of hate in his heart would allow him to hear your words, Jordan.
Leftist wokeism is a religion at this point
Literally just came from the same video.
I went straight to the JP section to see what he would say and almost immediately the guy points to a video from Contrapoints on the same subject.
Pathetic
Peterson is NOT a philosopher. He's a clinical psychologist and knows a few things about philosophy but he's certainly not a philosopher.
@@pawelpawlowin95 You don't need a certificate to be a philosopher. He is one because he studies philosophy and thinks deeply about the human condition and human nature with a goal of understanding our nature and finding answers to our most difficult questions. You can like him or not but his lectures on the nature of humanity on a grand scale certainly make him a philosopher.
As an ex-communist I dislike anything that is not a meritocracy system, closest thing that we have done so far is Capitalism, is not perfect, but is a step in the right direction...
Are you talking about dictatorship? Becouse definition of communism is a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.
It has never worked and has led to millions of deaths and countless suffering and misery in this world.
China is the greatest economical model in the world right now and it is openly Marxist-Leninist.
Unlike rampant unchecked capitalism of course... 🙄
@@Vandal_Savage unchecked anything is usually bad. Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other economic system though so…
@@Vandal_Savage indeed
@@Vandal_Savage care to elaborate?