This is Joshua Underwood, Founder, CEO and head of product development at RADIAN. Thank you for the video and your questions on the rolling update to the RAMJET barrel profile on our patented INTRA-LOK mounting interface for the AFTERBURNER. Also, I would like to personally thank you for being a valued Radian customer. It’s obvious you have great taste in product design. At RADIAN we have three main pillars of product design and list them in this order of priority: 1. Functional Performance 2. Aesthetic Design 3. Manufacturability During the initial design phase of the RAMJET + AFTERBURNER we had two versions, one being the original product we brought to market and the other a traditional looking round muzzle profile. I argued that the “tear drop” barrel comp would slip straight on without any thought to the user for orientation (function) and it looked really awesome as well (aesthetics). Another member of the engineering team argued that the circle comp would be able to be twisted during removal to help break it free from carbon (function) and that with a very simple turned crown it would save cost (manufacturability). As with everything, in engineering there are pros and cons to navigate at every turn. I ultimately made the decision to choose my function of auto orientation and aesthetics over the simpler, less sexy standard barrel profile. Over time, feedback received from customers and from our own experience confirmed that the only negative of the design is that shooters that put a high round count down range struggle to remove the AFTERBURNER because of carbon lock. Yes, the instructions say to use a solvent to soak it in and that works. The downside is needing to wait for it to sit and do its work on the carbon. Based on this, we chose to make a rolling change that retained the aesthetics of the original design (still requiring extensive matching of details on the muzzle end of the barrel) and adding the function of allowing the user to twist the comp to break it free of carbon during removal greatly improving the process. The very minimal trade off is that you need to get the comp approximately oriented before dropping the taper screw into the comp, once it is in the hole as can be seen in your video the rotation is very limited and as you tighten the screw the taper interface of the screw and the angled V groove in the barrel perfectly time the RAMJET & AFTERBURNER together just as accurately as the original design with zero play remaining. We’ve proven this with repeatability testing in a machine with a .0001” resolution indicator. Across the entire top surface of the AFTERBURNER the repeatability is around .0003”! So, to sum up the rationale for the design change, it was for a functional improvement while maintaining aesthetics and the associated manufacturing cost that goes with that. The reason we didn’t announce this revision was that we see it as an improvement and didn’t want to adversely affect sales of the last units in inventory of the original design that were represented in all of the sales channels. Anyone receiving the new version is in a sense getting more than they anticipated at the same price point. We put our products through rigorous testing and take seriously the feedback of our customers and for this reason made this moderate improvement in the design. It added lots of cost to updating and changing the manufacturing process and inventory control etc. but we will always choose improvement over cost savings wherever feasible. You mention in your video your concern that the comps are not compatible between both barrels and if you ever had an issue with a barrel you’d not be able to move a comp over to the other barrel. No need to be concerned as every Radian product is guaranteed, so if you ever had an issue with a RADIAN product, simply send it back to us and we would repair or replace it at no cost. Regarding our customer service; Our goal internally is to respond to every customer within 24 hours worst case. This was our first week back from SHOT Show with limited team in the office. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I believe this response will cover your questions and concerns. Joshua Underwood
@Radianweapons I apologize, I'm not super active on social media but I appreciate you making a comment on my humble channel. I pinned your response to my video. I didn't make it to shit on you (Radian). I made it to inform others of the changes and my thoughts on the matter. I appreciate the time to make a response, although I didn't get one through email when I asked about the change. It's good to know, us (the consumers), are backed by you and that hopefully you're listening to feedback of everyone.
I'm waiting on my Ramjet and afterburner to come in from Optics Planet. The one weapon shown in the video appears to be an aftermarket slide. My G19 has a Zev slide. I'm crossing my fingers the the assembly will pair up to this slide. I hadn't thought about this until after I made the purchase. All in all, every video I've watched about this assembly has been positive except for Trex and their only complaint was the cost. If that was the case, my weapon wouldn't be sporting an RMR...
Radian got back to me and said this about your video: Just posted a comment on the video explaining the rolling update! Let us know if you have any questions. Long story short, high volume shooters were having issues with carbon lock and the tear drop profile prevented them from rotating the comp to break up carbon. This update has no negative effect on performance but allows users to spin the comp free which saves time. This design improvement will be implemented to all ab+rj’s going forward.
There's pros and cons to both. I personally dislike the change as the reason I bought the comp was so I could do regular maintenance. I'm a heavy shooter but I do clean my entire firearm after each use, including the barrel and comp. I put 750 rounds through my first generation ramjet and didn't have an issue with carbon locking. I appreciate the update and info either way. Thanks for taking the time to post a comment about it. I pinned it so others could see it too.
@@toml1446 don't know yet. I have to test this more. My foreseeable issue is going to be that taper pin and the undercut where it goes in the barrel. When you take it on and off, depending how much you do it and how much torque you put on it, will open up that channel the taper pin times the new design on. The intra-look or old design will time without it. You may not want to take it off as much due to this. I don’t know. Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing but from my little experience in CNC machining, this should be a lot easier to machine, quicker and should be cheaper. It's easier to machine a circle rather than a teardrop on both the comp and barrel. I'm still sticking by the generation 1 models are better and these 2nd generation are cheaper to produce.
Sounds like you are taking a lack of significant knowledge on a product and using that lack of knowledge to publicly put down a product that by your own admission you dont know if it is actually worse. @@2amichaelj Thats pretty shitty.
@@toml1446 I think it's pretty shitty when companies send out loads of products to guntubers with selling features they no longer put onto their products that they don't tell their customers they changed.
Lmao at radian basically saying “you’re an idiot it doesn’t need to be timed” The entire time I listened to you say it needed to be timed I was begging you to realize that when the pin goes in and is tightened it would time itself. You have to “time” it in the same way you have to not install it backwards lol
@@RenoMay I'll take some smoke from you. One of my points is tolerances open up as you take on and off the comp. The tear drop design will keep the comp centered when that happens. The first generation is a better design. I'm gonna die on that hill. Thanks for visiting and commenting on my little channel though. California is still a hellscape.
I purchased the whole set up including the compressor. G19 with a Zev slide. It married perfectly. Looks awesome and functions as described. I have the newer version. The key factor is, when torqued down, it lines up as designed.
It does line up but the how many times of loosing and tightening that taper before it opens up and doesn't time as well? Screw holes do open up. It might take some time but it will eventually. Just something to consider.
The reason they swapped it was very smart. i was confused when i got my new one as well but after they passed on why they did it, I completely understood. I've got a buddy that had his get seized onto the barrel and he couldn't get it off. honestly the new design is superior and it allows better user serviceability. I've run several thousand rounds through mine in the last 3 weeks zero issues with walking or the taper pin coming loose
If you just take it off and clean it after you use it, it's not an issue either way. First time I used the gen 1 I shot 500 that day out of it. It wasn't a problem to get it off. I'm wondering why people don't just take them off and clean them after being used. The whole point to a comp designed like this is the serviceability of the design, opposed to set screw and timed comps. How many rounds are people shooting to have it seized? I used to shoot a JTAC ranch before it shut down. The range officer who has a large CZcams channel was telling me he shot 2,000 rounds in a weekend during a pistol class they were having there and how much he loved how he could take it off and clean it after that. I'm seriously wondering how people are seizing their ramjets.
“A lesser product”, but has no empirical evidence that it’s a lesser product. Didn’t even wait for a response before calling it a “lesser product”. This is whiny
I’ve shot some 1000 or so rounds through my Shadow Systems XR920 with the original setup and haven’t had one fail to fire or problems getting it apart after the range. The benefits of using the Radian Ramjet/Afterburner are immediately discernable. Also the low profile are a huge advantage……other comps make my handgun look like a 155 Howitzer.
March 2024. Just ordered one and it's been setting on my desk till got all my parts for my build. Instantly ran and ripped it open to see which one I got. I must've got the old version. I locked it in the tear drop and it had zero slop. Thanks for the upload
In addition to the timing concern it looks like more gas is able to escape out the front of the comp between it and the barrel. This has to result in at least some performance loss.
I have two of these on my G45’s. I shoot 500 rounds a week in nightly COF classes. I can say for certainty when cleaning it is difficult to remove due to carbon buildup. I added gun grease to the inside and that helps to remove after soaking it first with shooters lube. So I can understand making it circular and how it could help. At the same time I can understand your point of the taper notch perhaps being an issue one day.
That’s super odd, I’ve been rocking the gen 1 AB+RJ for about a year now and I’ve also had 0 issues with carbon buildup, I don’t think that’s a good enough reason for radian to change the design. It has to be to cut cost since this product is going really mainstream. Idk I’m interested to see a follow up on what radian says.
Thanks for letting us know above the design change. The older generation seems like it puts less stress on the pin since the barrel helps keep the comp in place. I also like the close-up video picture on the parts. Thanks, great video.
I have one of the 1st gen, absolutely love it. I was planning on getting the Sig on when it releases too. I hope they get back to you soon and you can share the info. Thanks for the video. 😅😅
I’m sure my comment will be lost in the matrix here. This new circular design helps for people who shoot a lot of rounds. The teardrop is extremely hard to remove if you shoot any number of rounds out of your gun. The circular design allows you to break it free much easier, and will prevent you from having the comp seized or locked to the barrel. The taper pin clocks and alignes the barrel. The teardrop is just preventing it from spinning. The notch the taper pin slides into, is precisely machined at the specific angle. Bottom line, the round one is better, you have to cut more material to make it, so it costs the same if not more to manufacture. Radian manufactures parts in the USA, and is of the highest quality. If something was out of spec with a component. The customer would never see it.
Thank you, for talking about the differences between the new and older version. I did not know there was a difference. Not sure that it makes a difference other than preference. But I am with you I like the OG tear drop better. I decided to get one but I was only finding the round ones. After emailing several dealers. I got on ebay and found a tear drop version. Double checked with the seller to make sure and it was the original. It cost a extra 20 but I figured it was one of the last tear drop comp....
I definitely wouldn't consider that having to time it. You can either put the screw in or you cant. The new version probably comes off way easier after long range sessions. I have the older version and it does not always want to come off. Ive had to tap it off with a hammer after dipping it in solvent. I dont see any issues with the new design. To each their own I guess.
Bro complains about having to time it, then shows us him slapping it back together no problem in seconds without timing it. I had to laugh and go straight to the comments
I got my Ramjet-200 rounds. The carbon buildup made it hard for me to remove the comp, but luckily, I could twist it off. I like the new design, but I would like to try the original and put in a few hundred rounds to see how bad it will be to remove the comp. Great video!!!!! Thank you!!
I just ordered this combo and received older barrel style and newer micro compensator and it won’t fit. So they mixed and matched their product🤦🏻♂️ Now having to return and wait for them to make sure they send me two items that will fit.
Im new to the carbon lock debate. Wouldn't carbon lock become a problem due to not cleaning the firearm right after a range trip? I have the old design but havent gotten around to shooting it, yet.
It's not even after every range trip. If you clean it every 500 rounds or so it's fine. I shot 650 out of mine in a weekend and it didn't carbon lock which is why I'm wondering who said it was an issue? People who never clean their pistols? I know a few but they know what they're getting into by neglecting their firearms. I've throughly tested this with 5 of my own personal Ramjets and I'm in a circle of people who shoot a lot and 11 of them all have Ramjets. Not one has experienced carbon lock. One says he shot 2,000 rounds before cleaning it. He does maintain it. Cleans the comp, threads and greases the area where comp and barrel interface. No issues.
@@2amichaelj I had carbon lock after my first 300 rounds through it. It took a bit to get it off when I went to clean it. It was not a big deal but I can see why they changed it. Personally I think its not an issue gen1 vs gen2. Gen 2 in my opinion is probably better.
Was thinking about getting one of these after I got my Glock a few weeks ago. thanks for putting this out. I def will be on the lookout for a gen 1. My LGS has them in stock and I'll see if they have any old ones in stock.
Update: My Afterburner finally arrived after seeing a Blem 19 gen 3 barrel from Primary Arms for $250 plus tax so it was like $277. Only blem I can see if that the finish has some finish that looks like gasoline in water or rainbow looking its in certain places like the feedramp. Finish looks more gun grey than black. I was worried I would get a new gen version of the barrel but I lucked out and got the old gen. Pretty happy so far. Will take it out to the range soon. I appreciate Radians response in your video, makes sense why they made changes but I don't really go the range that often to be affected by carbon lock.
@@EvopandawithalumpiaI’m looking to order off primary arms but not a blem version, would you think they still have the gen 1 ramjet/afterburner in stock if I bought it or the newer ones?
I’ve got an original one. Love it. If I was looking to get one now, I would not purchase this if I could have an original one. I’ve had no issues with an original model. I’m personally disappointed because I was seriously considering buying another one. Thanks for the video and the heads up. Myself personally haven’t had any issues with carbon buildup.
My first one I bought in August 2022 and the finish immediately started coming off. After 2k rounds it was mostly raw metal from tip to end. Replacement barrel I just sent back because the finish was completely opposite wheee it felt rough porous and was a much thicker barrel that it was causing failure to go into battery as it was dragging on the slide. Barrel was also visually much thicker than OEM or my griffin thread barrel and carry comp. Now waiting to hear back from them and for my 3rd replacement
I’ve noticed on my newer model that the finish isn’t as nice but mine is still tear dropped. Their response may be valid because if I shoot a thousand or 2 rounds it’s really hard for me to remove the comp compared to 500 rounds
I have a Gen5 Glock19, I bought the Ramjet comp kit for it. Unfortunately it did not work for me. The ramjet is made to contour around the nose of a stock gen5 glock slide and I have an aftermarket killer innovations slide. I'm considering sanding the back of the comp to make it fit.
I think I have the same KI slide and it's definitely a gen3/4 nose. I personally would try to sell or return that ramjet and get one that fits. The reason is the DLC coating is really nice and by modding it you'll have to recoat it in order to protect it. That's just my two cents. I think you'll be able to sell it for what you got into it pretty easily or just be patient and return it for what you actually need. You might be able to contact Radian and exchange it as their gen 5s are much more in demand than the gen3/4s.
@@2amichaelj So I bought the Gen4 Ramjet and I just tried it on. It still doesn't fit 🤦 when I put the comp on the barrel the screw will not fully tighten, it sticks out about 1/6 of an inch. If I rack the slide back I can fully tighten the screw but when the slide is released the barrel wont fully seat into battery. I now have a gen4 and gen5 kit that don't work. I feel like calling Radian and cussing them out.
I could be wrong. The new design could potentially minimize or eliminate the seizing due to carbon build up? Cause it’s a pain sometimes to take off due to carbon build up But I definitely prefer the previous design
I haven't noticed a difference with carbon locking with either design. People have made me aware that apparently that was the reason for the new design. I put 1,200 rounds without cleaning the 1st generation and 750 rounds without cleaning the 2nd generation and I haven't noticed any noticeable difference between them when taking them off. If you clean your pistols like every 1,000 rounds or so it seems to behave exactly the same. I'm not sure if a larger round count would be the defining factor.
@@2amichaelj that’s really good. Obviously if it’s cleaned after every range trip, no issues. To which I use to do. But I’ve decided to run a test and run 1,500 rounds of different ammo. And let me just say. It’s not fun when it locks up lol
I just ordered one and was sweating bullets that I'd get a timed version. Thankfully, it came in yesterday, and it was a teardrop version. I will get another Ramjet, but for sure, look for another 1st gen.
@@MenOfArms I haven't noticed any difference in performance between the two. I have noticed a small difference when detail stripping, cleaning and assembly.
I won’t buy another Glock one because mine is very unreliable. Everyone else says they have great reliability, wish I did. I’ll get a 365 one when they are available. To be as small as it is it’s very effective in controlling recoil. That part is very impressive.
I'm dying to get the radian ramjet but like you said there charging way to much I can buy a brand new gun for the price they charge I'm thinking of giving PMM micro JTTC a shot maybe
Agency Arms makes the Sage comp which I about the same price and keeps the same 17 length as the PMM JTTC and Radian. Those are the only 3 that I know of that are real competitors. I've noticed other companies trying their hands in micro comps too. Ones called Alpha 6 Defense. Never heard of them so I'd be wary but they're making Gen 3 G19 and G17 micro comps so maybe a little patience might pay off with more options in the future. PMM and Agency are definitely trusted companies however imho. Some local gun stores have had these Ramjets in stock. If you can locate a 1st gen version I would still recommend them.
You should also look at the situation with a reverse scenario… maybe the cost was going to increase by $30 because of raw materials and they decided to save the customer the price increase, by less machining lowering the manufacturing cost to counter the raw materials increase…glass half full, instead of half empty.
I think they did do it to save money and use it cross platform with the new Sig models coming. This is upsetting as i do like the tear drop design and want to use one for my Glock 17 gen 5 when it comes out.
So the comps are not interchangeable? Had the same idea as you as I was gna purchase another one. Also, that stippled Glock is gorgeous, mind sharing build list? Like you, have a model 1, tons of their ar parts etc
Thanks brother. Radian does make some good shit but no, the ramjets are not interchangeable. That was kinda the reason I bought another. I bought a 3rd ramjet and it's the new design so they're changing all their models to that format. I pinned a comment from the owner of Radian on the reasons why but I personally haven't had an issue doing maintenance, taking it on and off l, like Josh stated in his comment. I'm planning on doing an update on my current builds here soon. I appreciate the support though Enrique.
It's still a great comp and it still works as advertised. I just personally think the 1st generation is a better version. Depending on when they changed it, you might get a 1st gen. I'm curious which one you'll get.
Not currently. My concern is over the long term with that taper pin since that's the only thing timing the comp now. That channel may open up and cause issues, it may not. With the old design you still have the teardrop to help with timing.
So you're telling me all the fluting and different cuts don't increase the cost or time that's required to make the barrel? The entire barrel isn't round, it's tear drop. Blanks are round. They literally have to take off more material and do different cuts to shape it. Every movement of the machine costs time, money and materials like putting wear on the lathe. I personally am confident you might be mistaken.
Thanks for the update video i just ordered from optics planet as well even though im excited also disappointed how long it took them to ship it out when i paid extra for faster shipping
I've never seen a real difference with paying for the expedited shipping from OP. I hate how they just randomly choose a carrier. If they chose DHL then expect it to take forever. Otherwise, their free shipping usually only takes 4-5 days from shipping confirmation to get it my door.
Fact of the matter, they changed tha design so that its not inline with origional patent design. The first design is a far more rigid design and lock up. 🔥
If you plan on doing maintenance after each range session, as I suggest doing, if you oil or even put anti seize grease on the taper screw and around where the barrel and comp meet, it'll be much easier to get off. It makes cleaning easier too.
@@2amichaelj thanks for the reply. I’ve probably shot 5000 rounds with it over a few range sessions and classes. I feel it’s good to keep running but would like to just do a good deep clean every so often (It’s on my edc)
There was a few videos of maybe different coatings on them one is black and some are like a gun metal grey. Both of mine are the original black ones I have 3 of them and they are awesome
Good to know! I have one on my glock 45 and thinking about getting the glock 17 version but I'd rather just get a gen 3 and modify it knowing they are changing things
I dunno. I don't think they'd put something out that would result in a catastrophic failure. I imagine they've put thousands of rounds without cleaning through the new design and the screw has stayed in place.
The issue I see is with taking on and off the taper pin, overtime stress on the groove the taper pin goes into will open up and the tolerances will get looser. It would've been nice for them to make their customers aware of the update as I wanted the exact same comp and barrel but now have 2 proprietary ones instead of 2 that interchange. I still like the old design better. If you clean the comp and barrel after 500-1,000 rounds like I do, you shouldn't any issues with carbon locking which is the reason they made the change as someone stated in my pinned comment.
@@2amichaelj I'm pretty OCD with tiny firearms components as well, so I get where you're coming from. I also understand the frustration in wanting an identical component and getting something that works differently. They must have gotten complaints or the barrel legitimately seized up in the comp, enough that removal resulted in damage. I don't see how a different input on the CNC would create a huge cost savings, especially since these things are $400 a set. They probably thought, if down the line, people are chewing up barrels prematurely, they'll have a bigger headache.
@@9unslin9er I think it would be easier machining a circle rather than a tear drop, especially if it has to match sizes. I've worked with CNC machines. It's the line and detail work that costs more and is harder to machine. They're probably saving 30-60 minutes of machine work, 1-2 full steps of lathes and changing angles or machines from my understanding of the industry. The only way they could make the comp easier to take on and off from carbon locking is to loosen the tolerances too. I don’t know, I'm skeptical but that's just my personality. I can see what you're saying too. They could be doing something completely different with their CNC machines and it was 7 years ago when I worked with one.
I get it man. It's expensive as you're basically paying a premium for having a little heavier steel comp, keeping a smaller slide profile for holster compatibility and being able to easily take the comp on and off for cleaning and maintenance. That's basically what the extra $150-$200 is buying you compared to a standard threaded barrel ($100-$150) and comp ($50-$100) combo. The actual performance isn't that much better than the Agency 417, Suarez Street comp or Arc Division Sparc M V2 comps that I own. I think the weight at the end of the muzzle is probably the difference in recoil impulse. I personally think if any of the other comps were made out of steel, the performance would be exactly the same. The holsters are a big thing for me. I've already invested heavily in G17 holsters and I cannot OWB or IWB any of my other comped pistols without modifying my expensive holsters. I appreciate you watching and commenting though. I've been eyeing those G48 Harrington Arms comps.
Wish I could have gotten the old one. Not a fan of the change and how the design is modified with no indication of such to the customer. They should at least be selling these as “gen 2” in the name so people have an idea they’re getting the different design. I watched a lot to videos of the release and was sold on the timing aspect of this, I guess Ill re evaluate this vs other options before ordering. Bummer
Yes, but some holster manufacturers do open the ends of their holsters to accommodate threaded barrels and even full size comps. You can modify a holster pretty easily too if you're willing to dremel it. I typically buy holsters specifically for a pistol but I've gotten away with modifying them to work. My main gripe with that is I couldn't get the edges to be as smooth as it was new. I could feel a sharp edge at he right angle when sitting down.
OEM. I had zero issues using an OEM recoil spring with this comp or the gen 2. I've tried a plethora of different ammo too from 115, 124 nato, 147, 115/147 Speer gold dot, 115 critical defense, 124 critical duty, 115/124/147 sig vcrown both fmj and jhp, S&B, Fiocci, Winchester, it's eaten everything I've fed it with an OEM spring.
Waiting or the G17 version and hope it's the tear drop, if not I'd rather just buy me a G45 and get the original ramjet. Can anyone find out which shape the G17s will have??
I'm assuming they'll utilize the round barrel from now on with all their models. P365 ramjet is made the same way. I just saw one in person and it's the new design.
The ,47 is the actual length of the half inch they say it extends it, I was asking because the ramjet (gen1) is too short to fill out the end of the shadow systems frame, so if you try to do it integrated on that frame you are left with a .3 lip on the front of the frame where the comp is too short to get to the end. I was hoping at least the gen 2 would be a bit longer to fix this. Shitty thing is now they have increased their prices to 410. I was going to get 2 before they did that… total bs… they lowered costs, and then raise prices. So messed up
I’m sort of new to all this extra stuff, what is the significant difference as someone is about to sell me the new one you are saying is bad I guess? So I shouldn’t buy it…is there a performance difference?
So you're saying buying a ported barrel and either getting your slide cut for the ported barrel or buying another complete slide is less expensive? There are pros and cons to each. The smaller footprint is nice but you take a loss in ft lbs of energy with a ported barrel. From my understanding, it's really about the same price to be able to properly port your barrel and slide that it is to purchase a Ramjet/Afterburner. Options are nice. It's rather have them than not.
Both of mine are Glock 19 gen 5 ramjets/afterburners. They're supposed to be the exact same. As far as I'm aware and all 14 or so that I've had my hands on are like the year drop design. My point to this was explaining Radian is no longer making them like all their promotional and guntuber sponsored videos you'll see online.
Is an optic mount for the MOS system made by Radian. It houses the back sights too. It's called the Radian Guardian optic plate and Six back up sights.
Mike first thing really like the videos you've been posting. So I too am from the same area as you Clearwater hey mike I've got a few guns glock, hellcat pro , M&P 2.0 and I'm trying to find someone who ports, and cerakotes slides & frames near me amy recommendations
As far as cerakoting goes, Deadlock Coatings does the best work in the area that I've seen. It might be a drive from Clearwater however, they're out of Winter Springs near Orlando. They do all the cerakoting for SLR Rifleworks which is another Orlando based company. I haven't heard of any OEM slide and barrel porting mods in central Florida yet. I'm with you though. I would rather drive a little ways to get the work done rather than sending something out. I'll have to check with someone I've done some trading with but he mentioned a porting mod in Miami that does quality work. If you did send a slide and barrel out then it's at least closer than some I've seen in Texas and Arizona.
Worth it. Buy once. Cry once with acogs and aimpoints and RMR s. I have 3 acogs. I wouldnt really call it precision optics but I was hitting 30 inch steel plates out to 500 yards at the range with 4x and 3x cogs. I dont see myself shooting that far in the real world like hunting 4 legged or 2 legged creatures. 😂
Thanks for the headsup. Not much we can do to pick and choose unless buying private party. But im sure Radian released the new one knowing its an imprpvement and still reliable.
Thats a little ridiculous. I think they should get back to you personally i think there overpriced my glock 17 shoots flatter than my friends radian ramjet .
TLDR: I feel like you made this video to complain. Rather than present us with information or the why behind the change. Listen I liked the Cat and I like quality of video but your only evidence to call the prior gen superior is one spins and the other doesn’t? Once the screw is in none other them spin and it’s not possible to mess it up because there’s only one screwhole. Then you want $20 back because they shaved off 1 micron of material? Honestly, this is why people quit the firearms industry. Unrealistic expectations and a generally under informed audience who will make a youtube video and generate a “problem” that doesn’t actually exist. Maybe ask them for education before making a video next time. That way you can inform us of the technical reasons the change was made. Rather than just presenting your opinion and falsely assuming one is superior or inferior and then demanding money back for a tiny wee bit removed material.
It doesn't have anything to do with material removed. I worked in a machine shop for some time and it takes a lot more time to machine something like a tear drop rather than a circle. If they're saving 1 hour worth of labor that's a lot. If they skip 1-2 steps or don't have to change positions or dies it's a lot. I would argue it's probably saving them $50-75 in labor for each part. The labor and machining is what you're paying for with this. They call it the "intra-lok" system. I didn't call it that, Radian did. It no longer has the intra-lok. The only thing keeping the comp from turning or staying timed is the taper pin now. Pin holes open after being used. It's inevitable. The intra-lok or tear drop design will still keep the comp timed without the taper pin. The first generation is a better designed and more expensive product to produce.
It really depends on preference and application. After shooting with a lot of people over years I've found the most reliable are mil spec type triggers or non cartridge style like LaRue, Geissele/ALG or even a Schmid. That doesn't mean a cartridge style trigger is bad, but you're more likely something will fail on them and they're harder to clean. Some I've liked are Blackout Defense, CMC, and Triggertech. There's a ton of cartridge style triggers and I don't feel a huge difference between the single stage ones. Preference would be 2 stage or single stage. I'm more precise with 2-stage triggers and actually shoot better with them but single stages are great for fast follow up shots and split times. Some of my favorites are: Geissele SSA, G2S, and the SSP. You can switch out the SSA for an SSA-E, SSA-X or a SSA-EX LaRue MBT-2S Hiperfire X2S mod 2 and Enhanced Duty ALG ACT Rise Armament RA-535 Blackout Defense Zero trigger Some economical around $100 triggers that I like are Triggertech Duty (single or 2-stage) LaRue MBT-2S Geissele G2S CMC (when around $110, they make a lot of triggers for other companies that are rebranded) Schmid 2 stage (they also make a lot of 2 stage triggers for other brands) Hiperfire Enhanced Duty (the only differences between the Sharpshooter, Heavy Gunner and Marksman are the shape of the trigger shoes) My absolute favorite if money is not a factor is the Geissele SSA-X for 2 stage and a Geissele SSP curved bow for single stage.
This is Joshua Underwood, Founder, CEO and head of product development at RADIAN. Thank you for the video and your questions on the rolling update to the RAMJET barrel profile on our patented INTRA-LOK mounting interface for the AFTERBURNER. Also, I would like to personally thank you for being a valued Radian customer. It’s obvious you have great taste in product design.
At RADIAN we have three main pillars of product design and list them in this order of priority:
1. Functional Performance
2. Aesthetic Design
3. Manufacturability
During the initial design phase of the RAMJET + AFTERBURNER we had two versions, one being the original product we brought to market and the other a traditional looking round muzzle profile. I argued that the “tear drop” barrel comp would slip straight on without any thought to the user for orientation (function) and it looked really awesome as well (aesthetics). Another member of the engineering team argued that the circle comp would be able to be twisted during removal to help break it free from carbon (function) and that with a very simple turned crown it would save cost (manufacturability). As with everything, in engineering there are pros and cons to navigate at every turn. I ultimately made the decision to choose my function of auto orientation and aesthetics over the simpler, less sexy standard barrel profile.
Over time, feedback received from customers and from our own experience confirmed that the only negative of the design is that shooters that put a high round count down range struggle to remove the AFTERBURNER because of carbon lock. Yes, the instructions say to use a solvent to soak it in and that works. The downside is needing to wait for it to sit and do its work on the carbon.
Based on this, we chose to make a rolling change that retained the aesthetics of the original design (still requiring extensive matching of details on the muzzle end of the barrel) and adding the function of allowing the user to twist the comp to break it free of carbon during removal greatly improving the process.
The very minimal trade off is that you need to get the comp approximately oriented before dropping the taper screw into the comp, once it is in the hole as can be seen in your video the rotation is very limited and as you tighten the screw the taper interface of the screw and the angled V groove in the barrel perfectly time the RAMJET & AFTERBURNER together just as accurately as the original design with zero play remaining. We’ve proven this with repeatability testing in a machine with a .0001” resolution indicator. Across the entire top surface of the AFTERBURNER the repeatability is around .0003”!
So, to sum up the rationale for the design change, it was for a functional improvement while maintaining aesthetics and the associated manufacturing cost that goes with that. The reason we didn’t announce this revision was that we see it as an improvement and didn’t want to adversely affect sales of the last units in inventory of the original design that were represented in all of the sales channels. Anyone receiving the new version is in a sense getting more than they anticipated at the same price point. We put our products through rigorous testing and take seriously the feedback of our customers and for this reason made this moderate improvement in the design. It added lots of cost to updating and changing the manufacturing process and inventory control etc. but we will always choose improvement over cost savings wherever feasible.
You mention in your video your concern that the comps are not compatible between both barrels and if you ever had an issue with a barrel you’d not be able to move a comp over to the other barrel. No need to be concerned as every Radian product is guaranteed, so if you ever had an issue with a RADIAN product, simply send it back to us and we would repair or replace it at no cost.
Regarding our customer service; Our goal internally is to respond to every customer within 24 hours worst case. This was our first week back from SHOT Show with limited team in the office. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I believe this response will cover your questions and concerns.
Joshua Underwood
Thank you for taking the time for the detailed comment.
@Radianweapons
I apologize, I'm not super active on social media but I appreciate you making a comment on my humble channel. I pinned your response to my video. I didn't make it to shit on you (Radian). I made it to inform others of the changes and my thoughts on the matter. I appreciate the time to make a response, although I didn't get one through email when I asked about the change.
It's good to know, us (the consumers), are backed by you and that hopefully you're listening to feedback of everyone.
@@MikeBomstadif you wouldn't have replied to Radian, this comment would've stayed lost in the sauce. Thanks for commenting.
@@2amichaelj things can get lost quickly
I'm waiting on my Ramjet and afterburner to come in from Optics Planet. The one weapon shown in the video appears to be an aftermarket slide. My G19 has a Zev slide. I'm crossing my fingers the the assembly will pair up to this slide. I hadn't thought about this until after I made the purchase. All in all, every video I've watched about this assembly has been positive except for Trex and their only complaint was the cost. If that was the case, my weapon wouldn't be sporting an RMR...
Radian got back to me and said this about your video: Just posted a comment on the video explaining the rolling update! Let us know if you have any questions. Long story short, high volume shooters were having issues with carbon lock and the tear drop profile prevented them from rotating the comp to break up carbon. This update has no negative effect on performance but allows users to spin the comp free which saves time. This design improvement will be implemented to all ab+rj’s going forward.
There's pros and cons to both. I personally dislike the change as the reason I bought the comp was so I could do regular maintenance. I'm a heavy shooter but I do clean my entire firearm after each use, including the barrel and comp. I put 750 rounds through my first generation ramjet and didn't have an issue with carbon locking.
I appreciate the update and info either way. Thanks for taking the time to post a comment about it. I pinned it so others could see it too.
how does the change prevent you from doing regular maintenance?@@2amichaelj
@@toml1446 don't know yet. I have to test this more. My foreseeable issue is going to be that taper pin and the undercut where it goes in the barrel. When you take it on and off, depending how much you do it and how much torque you put on it, will open up that channel the taper pin times the new design on. The intra-look or old design will time without it. You may not want to take it off as much due to this.
I don’t know. Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing but from my little experience in CNC machining, this should be a lot easier to machine, quicker and should be cheaper. It's easier to machine a circle rather than a teardrop on both the comp and barrel.
I'm still sticking by the generation 1 models are better and these 2nd generation are cheaper to produce.
Sounds like you are taking a lack of significant knowledge on a product and using that lack of knowledge to publicly put down a product that by your own admission you dont know if it is actually worse. @@2amichaelj
Thats pretty shitty.
@@toml1446 I think it's pretty shitty when companies send out loads of products to guntubers with selling features they no longer put onto their products that they don't tell their customers they changed.
Lmao at radian basically saying “you’re an idiot it doesn’t need to be timed”
The entire time I listened to you say it needed to be timed I was begging you to realize that when the pin goes in and is tightened it would time itself.
You have to “time” it in the same way you have to not install it backwards lol
@@RenoMay I'll take some smoke from you. One of my points is tolerances open up as you take on and off the comp. The tear drop design will keep the comp centered when that happens. The first generation is a better design. I'm gonna die on that hill.
Thanks for visiting and commenting on my little channel though. California is still a hellscape.
I can't thank you enough for getting back to me and yes I'll definitely give them a call I really appreciate it.
I purchased the whole set up including the compressor. G19 with a Zev slide. It married perfectly. Looks awesome and functions as described. I have the newer version. The key factor is, when torqued down, it lines up as designed.
It does line up but the how many times of loosing and tightening that taper before it opens up and doesn't time as well? Screw holes do open up. It might take some time but it will eventually. Just something to consider.
The reason they swapped it was very smart. i was confused when i got my new one as well but after they passed on why they did it, I completely understood. I've got a buddy that had his get seized onto the barrel and he couldn't get it off. honestly the new design is superior and it allows better user serviceability. I've run several thousand rounds through mine in the last 3 weeks zero issues with walking or the taper pin coming loose
If you just take it off and clean it after you use it, it's not an issue either way. First time I used the gen 1 I shot 500 that day out of it. It wasn't a problem to get it off. I'm wondering why people don't just take them off and clean them after being used. The whole point to a comp designed like this is the serviceability of the design, opposed to set screw and timed comps. How many rounds are people shooting to have it seized?
I used to shoot a JTAC ranch before it shut down. The range officer who has a large CZcams channel was telling me he shot 2,000 rounds in a weekend during a pistol class they were having there and how much he loved how he could take it off and clean it after that. I'm seriously wondering how people are seizing their ramjets.
CLEAN YOUR GUN!
“A lesser product”, but has no empirical evidence that it’s a lesser product. Didn’t even wait for a response before calling it a “lesser product”. This is whiny
Great catch, I'm glad I was able to get a Gen1 with actual timing, solid info
We would like a follow up video when you get some clarity on the situation
I'll do a follow up either way
Thanks for the review. Had no idea they changed it. Hope Radian gets back to you with a response.
I’ve shot some 1000 or so rounds through my Shadow Systems XR920 with the original setup and haven’t had one fail to fire or problems getting it apart after the range. The benefits of using the Radian Ramjet/Afterburner are immediately discernable. Also the low profile are a huge advantage……other comps make my handgun look like a 155 Howitzer.
Spoken like someone who actually has experience with the product. Exactly the points I was trying to make. Thanks for sharing your experience.
March 2024. Just ordered one and it's been setting on my desk till got all my parts for my build. Instantly ran and ripped it open to see which one I got. I must've got the old version. I locked it in the tear drop and it had zero slop. Thanks for the upload
Where did you order from?
@@Midswest not sure, I'll have to look. Brownells or midway maybe
Thanks for this. I hope they get back to you.
Wow I didn’t even know . That’s kinda dirty. Thanks for the video and info … now I’m glad I got the original version
In addition to the timing concern it looks like more gas is able to escape out the front of the comp between it and the barrel. This has to result in at least some performance loss.
That's a good point. I'm in the process of testing it now. If more gas is escaping, there should be more carbon build up around the front.
@@2amichaeljany carbon buildup around those points on the new design when you tested?
I even like the looks of the og one better
Me too. It's subtle but I can tell.
I have two of these on my G45’s. I shoot 500 rounds a week in nightly COF classes. I can say for certainty when cleaning it is difficult to remove due to carbon buildup. I added gun grease to the inside and that helps to remove after soaking it first with shooters lube. So I can understand making it circular and how it could help. At the same time I can understand your point of the taper notch perhaps being an issue one day.
That’s super odd, I’ve been rocking the gen 1 AB+RJ for about a year now and I’ve also had 0 issues with carbon buildup, I don’t think that’s a good enough reason for radian to change the design. It has to be to cut cost since this product is going really mainstream. Idk I’m interested to see a follow up on what radian says.
Thanks for letting us know above the design change. The older generation seems like it puts less stress on the pin since the barrel helps keep the comp in place. I also like the close-up video picture on the parts. Thanks, great video.
I have one of the 1st gen, absolutely love it.
I was planning on getting the Sig on when it releases too.
I hope they get back to you soon and you can share the info.
Thanks for the video. 😅😅
I’m sure my comment will be lost in the matrix here. This new circular design helps for people who shoot a lot of rounds. The teardrop is extremely hard to remove if you shoot any number of rounds out of your gun. The circular design allows you to break it free much easier, and will prevent you from having the comp seized or locked to the barrel. The taper pin clocks and alignes the barrel. The teardrop is just preventing it from spinning. The notch the taper pin slides into, is precisely machined at the specific angle.
Bottom line, the round one is better, you have to cut more material to make it, so it costs the same if not more to manufacture.
Radian manufactures parts in the USA, and is of the highest quality. If something was out of spec with a component. The customer would never see it.
Thank you, for talking about the differences between the new and older version. I did not know there was a difference. Not sure that it makes a difference other than preference. But I am with you I like the OG tear drop better. I decided to get one but I was only finding the round ones. After emailing several dealers. I got on ebay and found a tear drop version. Double checked with the seller to make sure and it was the original. It cost a extra 20 but I figured it was one of the last tear drop comp....
I definitely wouldn't consider that having to time it. You can either put the screw in or you cant. The new version probably comes off way easier after long range sessions. I have the older version and it does not always want to come off. Ive had to tap it off with a hammer after dipping it in solvent. I dont see any issues with the new design. To each their own I guess.
Bro complains about having to time it, then shows us him slapping it back together no problem in seconds without timing it. I had to laugh and go straight to the comments
Why take it off?
I found a "1gen" it cost me $425 but I like it so much better I just might buy his last two.
machine time easier to bore out than mill a teardrop. and the pin will do most of the alignment.
I got my Ramjet-200 rounds. The carbon buildup made it hard for me to remove the comp, but luckily, I could twist it off. I like the new design, but I would like to try the original and put in a few hundred rounds to see how bad it will be to remove the comp. Great video!!!!! Thank you!!
Wow. That's crazy , thanks for info.
I just ordered this combo and received older barrel style and newer micro compensator and it won’t fit. So they mixed and matched their product🤦🏻♂️
Now having to return and wait for them to make sure they send me two items that will fit.
Im new to the carbon lock debate. Wouldn't carbon lock become a problem due to not cleaning the firearm right after a range trip? I have the old design but havent gotten around to shooting it, yet.
It's not even after every range trip. If you clean it every 500 rounds or so it's fine. I shot 650 out of mine in a weekend and it didn't carbon lock which is why I'm wondering who said it was an issue? People who never clean their pistols? I know a few but they know what they're getting into by neglecting their firearms. I've throughly tested this with 5 of my own personal Ramjets and I'm in a circle of people who shoot a lot and 11 of them all have Ramjets. Not one has experienced carbon lock. One says he shot 2,000 rounds before cleaning it. He does maintain it. Cleans the comp, threads and greases the area where comp and barrel interface. No issues.
@@2amichaelj I had carbon lock after my first 300 rounds through it. It took a bit to get it off when I went to clean it. It was not a big deal but I can see why they changed it. Personally I think its not an issue gen1 vs gen2. Gen 2 in my opinion is probably better.
After seeing this, I am glad I bought mine before they changed it
Was thinking about getting one of these after I got my Glock a few weeks ago. thanks for putting this out. I def will be on the lookout for a gen 1. My LGS has them in stock and I'll see if they have any old ones in stock.
Update: My Afterburner finally arrived after seeing a Blem 19 gen 3 barrel from Primary Arms for $250 plus tax so it was like $277. Only blem I can see if that the finish has some finish that looks like gasoline in water or rainbow looking its in certain places like the feedramp. Finish looks more gun grey than black. I was worried I would get a new gen version of the barrel but I lucked out and got the old gen. Pretty happy so far. Will take it out to the range soon. I appreciate Radians response in your video, makes sense why they made changes but I don't really go the range that often to be affected by carbon lock.
@@EvopandawithalumpiaI’m looking to order off primary arms but not a blem version, would you think they still have the gen 1 ramjet/afterburner in stock if I bought it or the newer ones?
I’ve got an original one. Love it. If I was looking to get one now, I would not purchase this if I could have an original one. I’ve had no issues with an original model. I’m personally disappointed because I was seriously considering buying another one. Thanks for the video and the heads up. Myself personally haven’t had any issues with carbon buildup.
My first one I bought in August 2022 and the finish immediately started coming off. After 2k rounds it was mostly raw metal from tip to end. Replacement barrel I just sent back because the finish was completely opposite wheee it felt rough porous and was a much thicker barrel that it was causing failure to go into battery as it was dragging on the slide. Barrel was also visually much thicker than OEM or my griffin thread barrel and carry comp. Now waiting to hear back from them and for my 3rd replacement
Wow what the heck. Have the gen 1 and love that design. Was going to get the new ones coming out but not sure now 🥴
So what happens when I need a new barrel for my original? Are they going to still have old style replacements?
You gotta buy the whole thing again. You should be able to get 15-20k rounds out of a pistol barrel though
I’ve noticed on my newer model that the finish isn’t as nice but mine is still tear dropped. Their response may be valid because if I shoot a thousand or 2 rounds it’s really hard for me to remove the comp compared to 500 rounds
Nice video, very informative.
I have a Gen5 Glock19, I bought the Ramjet comp kit for it. Unfortunately it did not work for me. The ramjet is made to contour around the nose of a stock gen5 glock slide and I have an aftermarket killer innovations slide. I'm considering sanding the back of the comp to make it fit.
I think I have the same KI slide and it's definitely a gen3/4 nose. I personally would try to sell or return that ramjet and get one that fits. The reason is the DLC coating is really nice and by modding it you'll have to recoat it in order to protect it. That's just my two cents. I think you'll be able to sell it for what you got into it pretty easily or just be patient and return it for what you actually need. You might be able to contact Radian and exchange it as their gen 5s are much more in demand than the gen3/4s.
@@2amichaelj So I bought the Gen4 Ramjet and I just tried it on. It still doesn't fit 🤦 when I put the comp on the barrel the screw will not fully tighten, it sticks out about 1/6 of an inch. If I rack the slide back I can fully tighten the screw but when the slide is released the barrel wont fully seat into battery. I now have a gen4 and gen5 kit that don't work. I feel like calling Radian and cussing them out.
@@rustyshackleford5509that's why I think this is only good for range toy
@Jay-od7uj I ended up filing the gen4 ram jet kit and I mirror polished the back of it when I was done. Works like a charm.
I could be wrong. The new design could potentially minimize or eliminate the seizing due to carbon build up? Cause it’s a pain sometimes to take off due to carbon build up
But I definitely prefer the previous design
I haven't noticed a difference with carbon locking with either design. People have made me aware that apparently that was the reason for the new design. I put 1,200 rounds without cleaning the 1st generation and 750 rounds without cleaning the 2nd generation and I haven't noticed any noticeable difference between them when taking them off.
If you clean your pistols like every 1,000 rounds or so it seems to behave exactly the same. I'm not sure if a larger round count would be the defining factor.
@@2amichaelj that’s really good. Obviously if it’s cleaned after every range trip, no issues. To which I use to do. But I’ve decided to run a test and run 1,500 rounds of different ammo. And let me just say. It’s not fun when it locks up lol
I just ordered one and was sweating bullets that I'd get a timed version. Thankfully, it came in yesterday, and it was a teardrop version. I will get another Ramjet, but for sure, look for another 1st gen.
Any noticeable difference between the two when you're shooting it?
@@MenOfArms I haven't noticed any difference in performance between the two.
I have noticed a small difference when detail stripping, cleaning and assembly.
@@2amichaelj does the v2 rattle on G19 when attach? lol
Dude your Cat is a 2A Lover and was just Q-Cing your parts.
I won’t buy another Glock one because mine is very unreliable. Everyone else says they have great reliability, wish I did. I’ll get a 365 one when they are available. To be as small as it is it’s very effective in controlling recoil. That part is very impressive.
i just got the ramjet and i got the old teardrop design. I wonder if mine is just old or they went back to the old style
That’s what im trying to figure out
i bet its to cut costs ! so happy i have 2 gen 1’s
I had mine carbon lock from approximately 1000 rounds. I had to use a plactic dead blow hammer to knock the comp off the barrel.
I'm dying to get the radian ramjet but like you said there charging way to much I can buy a brand new gun for the price they charge I'm thinking of giving PMM micro JTTC a shot maybe
Agency Arms makes the Sage comp which I about the same price and keeps the same 17 length as the PMM JTTC and Radian. Those are the only 3 that I know of that are real competitors. I've noticed other companies trying their hands in micro comps too. Ones called Alpha 6 Defense. Never heard of them so I'd be wary but they're making Gen 3 G19 and G17 micro comps so maybe a little patience might pay off with more options in the future. PMM and Agency are definitely trusted companies however imho.
Some local gun stores have had these Ramjets in stock. If you can locate a 1st gen version I would still recommend them.
Thanks mike I'll check them out
You should also look at the situation with a reverse scenario… maybe the cost was going to increase by $30 because of raw materials and they decided to save the customer the price increase, by less machining lowering the manufacturing cost to counter the raw materials increase…glass half full, instead of half empty.
At the price they ask I'd be upset I'd want gen 1 for sure after seeing this
I think they did do it to save money and use it cross platform with the new Sig models coming. This is upsetting as i do like the tear drop design and want to use one for my Glock 17 gen 5 when it comes out.
So the comps are not interchangeable? Had the same idea as you as I was gna purchase another one. Also, that stippled Glock is gorgeous, mind sharing build list? Like you, have a model 1, tons of their ar parts etc
Thanks brother. Radian does make some good shit but no, the ramjets are not interchangeable. That was kinda the reason I bought another. I bought a 3rd ramjet and it's the new design so they're changing all their models to that format.
I pinned a comment from the owner of Radian on the reasons why but I personally haven't had an issue doing maintenance, taking it on and off l, like Josh stated in his comment.
I'm planning on doing an update on my current builds here soon. I appreciate the support though Enrique.
WTF I’ve been looking for one of these since day 1, and I finally found one and ordered it. And of course I see this video. Ughhh
It's still a great comp and it still works as advertised. I just personally think the 1st generation is a better version. Depending on when they changed it, you might get a 1st gen. I'm curious which one you'll get.
@@2amichaelj I’ll let you know when it comes in
@@briandowney6478 how i'd go?
Did you notice any difference between the new & old design?
Not currently. My concern is over the long term with that taper pin since that's the only thing timing the comp now. That channel may open up and cause issues, it may not. With the old design you still have the teardrop to help with timing.
To their defense they were at Shot Show. Probably why they lagging in email response.
Good point. I didn't think about it. It's definitely something I'm going to keep in mind now.
as a machinist and custom gun builder , i can tell you the cost to machine the circle vs tear drop is 0 same time to cut either
So you're telling me all the fluting and different cuts don't increase the cost or time that's required to make the barrel? The entire barrel isn't round, it's tear drop. Blanks are round. They literally have to take off more material and do different cuts to shape it. Every movement of the machine costs time, money and materials like putting wear on the lathe. I personally am confident you might be mistaken.
@2amichaelj you're literally telling a machinist he's wrong. Your entire video is you just being a cry baby over a non-issue
@@YeetCannon254 I used to be a machinist. So I have experience in the matter too.
How many ramjets did you buy and test?
I have the tear drop afterburner and it jams a lot, Jams on the first rack every time if I don’t slam the back of the slide
Thanks for the update video i just ordered from optics planet as well even though im excited also disappointed how long it took them to ship it out when i paid extra for faster shipping
I've never seen a real difference with paying for the expedited shipping from OP. I hate how they just randomly choose a carrier. If they chose DHL then expect it to take forever. Otherwise, their free shipping usually only takes 4-5 days from shipping confirmation to get it my door.
@@2amichaelj thanks man and yeah i didnt know i ordered on a Tuesday not gonna show up til Saturday from ups
Fact of the matter, they changed tha design so that its not inline with origional patent design. The first design is a far more rigid design and lock up. 🔥
Not so easy to takeoff, this video was suggested as I posted in a Facebook group how people are taking them off
If you plan on doing maintenance after each range session, as I suggest doing, if you oil or even put anti seize grease on the taper screw and around where the barrel and comp meet, it'll be much easier to get off. It makes cleaning easier too.
@@2amichaelj thanks for the reply. I’ve probably shot 5000 rounds with it over a few range sessions and classes. I feel it’s good to keep running but would like to just do a good deep clean every so often
(It’s on my edc)
Whats the model number to the original? I was going to buy a couple. Thank yu
I don’t know much about moles but maybe you should get the one on your hand checked
There was a few videos of maybe different coatings on them one is black and some are like a gun metal grey. Both of mine are the original black ones I have 3 of them and they are awesome
Good to know! I have one on my glock 45 and thinking about getting the glock 17 version but I'd rather just get a gen 3 and modify it knowing they are changing things
I dunno. I don't think they'd put something out that would result in a catastrophic failure. I imagine they've put thousands of rounds without cleaning through the new design and the screw has stayed in place.
The issue I see is with taking on and off the taper pin, overtime stress on the groove the taper pin goes into will open up and the tolerances will get looser.
It would've been nice for them to make their customers aware of the update as I wanted the exact same comp and barrel but now have 2 proprietary ones instead of 2 that interchange. I still like the old design better. If you clean the comp and barrel after 500-1,000 rounds like I do, you shouldn't any issues with carbon locking which is the reason they made the change as someone stated in my pinned comment.
@@2amichaelj I'm pretty OCD with tiny firearms components as well, so I get where you're coming from. I also understand the frustration in wanting an identical component and getting something that works differently. They must have gotten complaints or the barrel legitimately seized up in the comp, enough that removal resulted in damage. I don't see how a different input on the CNC would create a huge cost savings, especially since these things are $400 a set. They probably thought, if down the line, people are chewing up barrels prematurely, they'll have a bigger headache.
@@9unslin9er I think it would be easier machining a circle rather than a tear drop, especially if it has to match sizes. I've worked with CNC machines. It's the line and detail work that costs more and is harder to machine. They're probably saving 30-60 minutes of machine work, 1-2 full steps of lathes and changing angles or machines from my understanding of the industry.
The only way they could make the comp easier to take on and off from carbon locking is to loosen the tolerances too. I don’t know, I'm skeptical but that's just my personality.
I can see what you're saying too. They could be doing something completely different with their CNC machines and it was 7 years ago when I worked with one.
They lost me at $400. That's a police return G17 or a barrel, trigger and a comp from Harrington Arms.
I get it man. It's expensive as you're basically paying a premium for having a little heavier steel comp, keeping a smaller slide profile for holster compatibility and being able to easily take the comp on and off for cleaning and maintenance. That's basically what the extra $150-$200 is buying you compared to a standard threaded barrel ($100-$150) and comp ($50-$100) combo.
The actual performance isn't that much better than the Agency 417, Suarez Street comp or Arc Division Sparc M V2 comps that I own. I think the weight at the end of the muzzle is probably the difference in recoil impulse. I personally think if any of the other comps were made out of steel, the performance would be exactly the same.
The holsters are a big thing for me. I've already invested heavily in G17 holsters and I cannot OWB or IWB any of my other comped pistols without modifying my expensive holsters.
I appreciate you watching and commenting though. I've been eyeing those G48 Harrington Arms comps.
@2amichaelj I'd love to get one, but now I'd be afraid of getting the 2.0 version 🤷♂️
Good video. I have two teardrops. Won’t be getting a circle design.
Why is the design "inferior"? How would one "mistime" this compensator with a tapered screw holding it in place? What are the cons to the new design?
Wish I could have gotten the old one. Not a fan of the change and how the design is modified with no indication of such to the customer. They should at least be selling these as “gen 2” in the name so people have an idea they’re getting the different design. I watched a lot to videos of the release and was sold on the timing aspect of this, I guess Ill re evaluate this vs other options before ordering. Bummer
When using this system in a Glock 19 mos g5, do you have to use a Glock 17 holster size now instead of a Glock 19 holster because of the extra length?
Yes, but some holster manufacturers do open the ends of their holsters to accommodate threaded barrels and even full size comps. You can modify a holster pretty easily too if you're willing to dremel it.
I typically buy holsters specifically for a pistol but I've gotten away with modifying them to work. My main gripe with that is I couldn't get the edges to be as smooth as it was new. I could feel a sharp edge at he right angle when sitting down.
@2amichaelj Can you do a review on holster that work with the Comp?
@@JW02828 Any G17 holster will work for G19+ramjet.
@@m.w.2401 Thanks
Nice!
What recoil spring are you using with the gen 1 version? and how many lbs?
OEM. I had zero issues using an OEM recoil spring with this comp or the gen 2. I've tried a plethora of different ammo too from 115, 124 nato, 147, 115/147 Speer gold dot, 115 critical defense, 124 critical duty, 115/124/147 sig vcrown both fmj and jhp, S&B, Fiocci, Winchester, it's eaten everything I've fed it with an OEM spring.
Waiting or the G17 version and hope it's the tear drop, if not I'd rather just buy me a G45 and get the original ramjet. Can anyone find out which shape the G17s will have??
I'm assuming they'll utilize the round barrel from now on with all their models. P365 ramjet is made the same way. I just saw one in person and it's the new design.
@@2amichaelj dang that's a shame...I really wanted it in 17. By the way i always thaught it looked like a vagina not a tear drop.
Does the change only apply to the gen 5 or does it also apply to the Gen 3 models?
It's to all their models. It's a new design that will be used from now on... or until they change it again.
KITTY!
still same dimensions? or is the new version longer than .47?
Both line up exactly the same on an OEM slide. Is the .47 in cm or inches? I don't see any noticeable differences other than the barrel/comp.
The ,47 is the actual length of the half inch they say it extends it, I was asking because the ramjet (gen1) is too short to fill out the end of the shadow systems frame, so if you try to do it integrated on that frame you are left with a .3 lip on the front of the frame where the comp is too short to get to the end. I was hoping at least the gen 2 would be a bit longer to fix this. Shitty thing is now they have increased their prices to 410. I was going to get 2 before they did that… total bs… they lowered costs, and then raise prices. So messed up
So how did the new ramjet did on the range and so far since you installed it?
How does the cat carry stuff with its paws or mouth?
I’m sort of new to all this extra stuff, what is the significant difference as someone is about to sell me the new one you are saying is bad I guess? So I shouldn’t buy it…is there a performance difference?
Wich is better the first gen or the 2 gen of this compensator
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So you're saying buying a ported barrel and either getting your slide cut for the ported barrel or buying another complete slide is less expensive?
There are pros and cons to each. The smaller footprint is nice but you take a loss in ft lbs of energy with a ported barrel.
From my understanding, it's really about the same price to be able to properly port your barrel and slide that it is to purchase a Ramjet/Afterburner.
Options are nice. It's rather have them than not.
So which gens are the ones that dont rotate all around ?
Both of mine are Glock 19 gen 5 ramjets/afterburners. They're supposed to be the exact same. As far as I'm aware and all 14 or so that I've had my hands on are like the year drop design.
My point to this was explaining Radian is no longer making them like all their promotional and guntuber sponsored videos you'll see online.
What's the thing mounted in front of your rmr?
Is an optic mount for the MOS system made by Radian. It houses the back sights too. It's called the Radian Guardian optic plate and Six back up sights.
Mike first thing really like the videos you've been posting. So I too am from the same area as you Clearwater hey mike I've got a few guns glock, hellcat pro , M&P 2.0 and I'm trying to find someone who ports, and cerakotes slides & frames near me amy recommendations
As far as cerakoting goes, Deadlock Coatings does the best work in the area that I've seen. It might be a drive from Clearwater however, they're out of Winter Springs near Orlando. They do all the cerakoting for SLR Rifleworks which is another Orlando based company.
I haven't heard of any OEM slide and barrel porting mods in central Florida yet. I'm with you though. I would rather drive a little ways to get the work done rather than sending something out. I'll have to check with someone I've done some trading with but he mentioned a porting mod in Miami that does quality work. If you did send a slide and barrel out then it's at least closer than some I've seen in Texas and Arizona.
Mine jams on the first load
Would really like to hear your opinion on the acog scope. They're a tremendously rugged optic. What are your thoughts on them? Thank you.
Worth it. Buy once. Cry once with acogs and aimpoints and RMR s.
I have 3 acogs. I wouldnt really call it precision optics but I was hitting 30 inch steel plates out to 500 yards at the range with 4x and 3x cogs. I dont see myself shooting that far in the real world like hunting 4 legged or 2 legged creatures. 😂
Interesting
Thanks for the headsup. Not much we can do to pick and choose unless buying private party. But im sure Radian released the new one knowing its an imprpvement and still reliable.
Man, get rid of the cat, it’s very distracting. Other than that, great video sir.
Who did the stipple job?
Frank Castle Customs
Question do you leave the OEM recoil spring
Valid discovery
Thats a little ridiculous. I think they should get back to you personally i think there overpriced my glock 17 shoots flatter than my friends radian ramjet .
teardrop gang
TLDR: I feel like you made this video to complain. Rather than present us with information or the why behind the change.
Listen I liked the Cat and I like quality of video but your only evidence to call the prior gen superior is one spins and the other doesn’t? Once the screw is in none other them spin and it’s not possible to mess it up because there’s only one screwhole.
Then you want $20 back because they shaved off 1 micron of material? Honestly, this is why people quit the firearms industry. Unrealistic expectations and a generally under informed audience who will make a youtube video and generate a “problem” that doesn’t actually exist. Maybe ask them for education before making a video next time. That way you can inform us of the technical reasons the change was made. Rather than just presenting your opinion and falsely assuming one is superior or inferior and then demanding money back for a tiny wee bit removed material.
It doesn't have anything to do with material removed. I worked in a machine shop for some time and it takes a lot more time to machine something like a tear drop rather than a circle. If they're saving 1 hour worth of labor that's a lot. If they skip 1-2 steps or don't have to change positions or dies it's a lot. I would argue it's probably saving them $50-75 in labor for each part. The labor and machining is what you're paying for with this.
They call it the "intra-lok" system. I didn't call it that, Radian did. It no longer has the intra-lok. The only thing keeping the comp from turning or staying timed is the taper pin now. Pin holes open after being used. It's inevitable. The intra-lok or tear drop design will still keep the comp timed without the taper pin. The first generation is a better designed and more expensive product to produce.
THAT'S GARBAGE!!! THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP!!!!
Off subject, What trigger do you recommend for a ar15
It really depends on preference and application. After shooting with a lot of people over years I've found the most reliable are mil spec type triggers or non cartridge style like LaRue, Geissele/ALG or even a Schmid. That doesn't mean a cartridge style trigger is bad, but you're more likely something will fail on them and they're harder to clean.
Some I've liked are Blackout Defense, CMC, and Triggertech. There's a ton of cartridge style triggers and I don't feel a huge difference between the single stage ones.
Preference would be 2 stage or single stage. I'm more precise with 2-stage triggers and actually shoot better with them but single stages are great for fast follow up shots and split times.
Some of my favorites are:
Geissele SSA, G2S, and the SSP. You can switch out the SSA for an SSA-E, SSA-X or a SSA-EX
LaRue MBT-2S
Hiperfire X2S mod 2 and Enhanced Duty
ALG ACT
Rise Armament RA-535
Blackout Defense Zero trigger
Some economical around $100 triggers that I like are
Triggertech Duty (single or 2-stage)
LaRue MBT-2S
Geissele G2S
CMC (when around $110, they make a lot of triggers for other companies that are rebranded)
Schmid 2 stage (they also make a lot of 2 stage triggers for other brands)
Hiperfire Enhanced Duty (the only differences between the Sharpshooter, Heavy Gunner and Marksman are the shape of the trigger shoes)
My absolute favorite if money is not a factor is the Geissele SSA-X for 2 stage and a Geissele SSP curved bow for single stage.
Updates?
Is this only available for Glock pistols?
Was that Chonkers?
companies don't notice this during R/D?? bs..