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Distant City Studios - A Drum Room With A Difference!
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- If you want a better drum sound, you can change the drummer, or the mics, or the drum kit... but what about the room?
When Joss Worthington set about rebuilding his studio, he decided to create a space that would inspire musicians and allow engineers to shape the sound at will. In this SOS video, Joss and Chris Smout of Studio People show us how they turned the idea into reality, with the help of drummer Lee Hudson.
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You can download the Pro Tools multitracks to hear what difference it makes - anyone who doesn't have PT can just take the WAV files out of the Audio Files folders.
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Chapters
00:00 - Intro
02:49 - Designing The Drum Room
04:22 - Benefits Of Working With A Moving Ceiling
06:15 - How Does The Ceiling Move?
06:55 - Ceiling Room Microphones
08:50 - How Do Musicians React To The Room?
09:49 - Comparing The Room Ambience
09:59 - Example Groove 1 - Standard
11:52 - Example Groove 2 - Dance
13:36 - Example Groove 3 - Rock
15:05 - Summary & Outro
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Did you forget to turn the room mics on?
As a building surveyor / architectural draughtsman and ex builder, this is what you call the perfect client.
Wow, just WOW! What a unique & amazing approach to EQ-ing!!
Great idea! Another great idea: tune the snare drum and loosen the snares a tad, so it doesn't sound like the bottom of the drum is made of rubber. God, I can't even bear the sound of that snare, had to stop video. Sorry for the comment, but someone has to say something.
No joke.. Tarsia wouldn’t put up with this trash!
@@TheThinker43 I feel bad for pointing it out on such a drum sound focused video, but holy mother of God it's just so bad. Good sounding rooms require good sounding sources, and this is not it. Aloha!
That snare sound is unflattering to the drummer, room, and this demonstration. Unfortunate.
I honestly think y’all are crazy... great idea great concept and keep tracking
So thats why the snare has a ringing tone to it, thanks!
If you could hook up the motor control to a midi controller somehow, you could use your DAW to program some push or pull effects during tracking: i.e. pull up and away at the end of a song, as if to be saying “bye-bye” or slow drawing closer from far to near during an intro.
cool! though no bottom-up shot of the ceiling going up and down :(
I thought the same thing then i thought maybe they don't want everyone copying their design considering it's what makes their studio unique. I dunno just a thought, otherwise it seems silly that they would forget to get a shot from straight up.
can see it working here and rest of studio > czcams.com/video/ybj0VfRjGjs/video.html
A few points after listening on headphones:
Drummer doesn’t really hit rim shots on the snare which makes it sound like paper, especially with the bottom snare mic mixed so high here. Tuning of the snare, approx a C#, is fine, but the drum isn’t played in a very flattering way.
- The third groove with the cymbal wash really shows how the higher ceiling keeps the cymbals more controlled and less stereo, while the lower height makes the cymbals slightly more pronounced with a wider and splashier stereo image. The snare also seems to sound more focussed with the higher ceiling because the cymbals are more controlled, but the loud mix of snare bottom mic here makes it hard to really hear the snare’s low mid character in just the snare top, oh and room mics.
- A room like this would benefit from having adjustable acoustic treatment. The ceiling height seems to affect image and bleed more than tone. Perhaps some adjustable curtains on the walls would be a good addition.
This is so cool. There will probably be a modeled plug in some day. 😎
Future product. IR on the room? Most daws have IR import now. I would love to have your room in my home recording stuff.
That tom overtone ringing the whole time was stabbing me in the ear.
Could be a bad standing wave in that room,
Well I must say that I almost didn't hear any difference at all. So I wouldn't invest in something which wasn't clearly noticeable. What I would like to hear was the room mics soloed, also the room mics on a fixed position while the ceiling moves. Also the panning is messed up because the Ride/Crash on the right is coming from the right, but when the ceiling comes down, it starts coming out heavily from the left. Also the HH is coming from the right when it's clearly on the left. All in all such a waste of promo imo, and nothing that can't be done in a normal room. So yeah, this for me leans on a gimmicky side of things.
Yeah, I bought a used R.V./ travel trailer, gutted all the furniture. The "studio" still has a full bathroom and kitchen. Put my gear in. Full drum set, completely miced-up. Shure 57s.ect. by the time those drum tracks hit my computer edits, It does not matter AT ALL where I captured the drums. They sound amazing in a 8×24 R.V. its 2021, the rooms don't mean shit anymore, I was slightly concerned at first,did nothing to help the room sound better, just went for it, glad I didn't spend thousands on making the room right lol. "Placebo" and the "Power of suggestion" has a lot to do with it. Blindfold test, no-one could tell shit when it comes to "rooms". I have a diploma in Audio Engineering. In not just spit ball'n
Well, I got nothing like a Bonham 'Headley Grange' vibe from any of those examples, no matter how high the ceiling was.
Great idea! Nice execution!
raise the roof!
Brilliant.
Incredible studio, a lovely working and creative environment. Joss is brilliant to work with. We will return for sure!
Though we should point out they show our record ‘Beings’, we didnt do that there, Joss did ‘Spook The Herd’ 🍺
@@Lanternsonthelake the whole album?
Lovely idea & video & studio folx attitude!
👍👍👍
In the video, though, heavily missing
A) those ceiling drum room mics solo'ed, i.e. alone, not mixed with the rest of the mics
B) some upwards pointed shots of that ceiling moving, as the drummer would see it looking up
C) a couple of different snares or different tunings of this one - not crazy about it.
Anyway, congrats to all involved, and the town itself looks quite cinematic/fairytale inspiring, too!
Do you think this guy knows Levee had a tape echo on it?
WOW!
Very interesting. Thanks for the share 👏🏻
And hey, if the drummer is garbage, just put the ceiling all the way down and solve the problem....permanently
Hahah
Awesome
The (Dom7) standing wave, oh my God! Ever been in a bathroom stall or shower where a note just starts ringing and take off on it’s own? Pleas 'kill' a corner or three and then we can start to talk.
I mean, the differences in ceiling height on the recorded tracks are negligible from what I can hear. There's so much nonsense being thrown around in the field of audio recording. Props for trying something new, though.
It looks similar to the live room at NRG studios just much smaller. And i was just about a year ago at a Metal core Concert in a Brick and Timber building in San Francisco, the live sound was phenomenal, hardly a difference to a concrete building. I wish that i were myself already at this stage......but as they say only your dreams are the limit
So cool!!!
Sick. I bet guitar amps and more sound good in there
Great studio. Great guy.
Where is the sound of the room again?
Is there mics on the actual ceiling that move up and down or is it just the ceiling moving up and down captured by the R-88? Which is a great microphone I have it and like it a lot.
Even with a room that has a floating roof it's still impossible to get a good sounding snare lol
Would be nice to hear a nice open drum set. Snare sounds like trash can lids. This sounds like any garage kit played by a teen. And no suprising reverb sounds. Good idea. Just want to hear a natural drum sound in there. Great drum room. Dont see that everyday. 👍
I’ve listened quite intently to this several times and I’m struggling to hear any difference!!???
I keep wondering how new studios can possibly even break even let alone make a profit these days. This is NOT an unsubstantial investment. Just the mics they showed can easily set u back over 10k if you get matching pairs. I don’t understand. 🤔
It’s for the real artist, not for the wannabe SoundCloud rappers 👍
@@dillontaylor8035 There’s a lot of studios already in existence. Too many actually. They’re closing left and right because tech has drastically reduced the need for studio time. Maybe there are a lot more musicians and bands willing to shell out hundreds of bucks an hour to record in a studio than I’m aware of. I don’t know what u mean by “real artists”. Those who are backed by a label? How many major labels go to new start up studios? I honestly don’t know but I’m glad this one seems to be doing alright so far.
@@williambock1821 in the U.S tons of major artists go to new studios all the time
@@apollospyrol7168 If u say so I guess I believe u I still don’t understand how they’re getting all this traffic unless there are a handful of new studios. And the definition of new studios might be a bit different than the classic definitions of one. Something seems off with the state of the recording industry and the cost of starting up a brand new studio. Especially with so many studios closing. It’s like 1+1=3.
@@williambock1821 real, a, having a cheap interface and watching some CZcams videos doesn’t make a person an engineer. B, a real artist will actually pay for studio time because they value their work and understand point A.
so when is this SDX coming out?
put a mic on the ceiling, might be more useful.
Wouldn't you need LENGTH? a small square foot print doesn't look like optimal conditions for drums.
What is the lowest ceiling height ? Sounds really tight
more money than sense
high pitch at 11:13 killing my ears, not cool
None of these people ever heard of a reverb plug in? LOL!
@staircase2 Nothing at all.
I would not record with you.
@@conorm2524 Not a problem.
Eh
Not hearing the difference.
Waste of time and money, just something to talk about and over analyze, yeah a higher ceiling gives a little more ambience but I am not paying someone to sit in a control room to raise and lower the ceiling just because he built it. You can overcome most of these "problems" with correct mic placement.