Which I-180 is Worst?
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- Some of the most infamous 3 digit Interstates happen to share the 180 number, so in this episode we'll count them down from least-worse to worst, and talk a little college football on the way. Control City Freak is updated weekly and covers every two digit Interstate Highway in America. I'll be showing control city signs on each 1 and 2 digit (2di) Interstate Highway in the continental United States and will strive to make as complete a record as possible. I'll also be getting into the roadgeek weeds here and there, showing downtown skylines and state border crossings, and making corny jokes. I welcome all to join my geeky tour of every primary Interstate in the country!
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Control City Freak Episodes mentioned in this video:
Interstate 80 East • Interstate 80 East
Interstate 25 North • Interstate 25 North
Interstate 25 South • Interstate 25 South
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Goated video, the I-180s are ICONIC
Agreed.
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As someone who drives through central Illinois fairly often, I have driven I-180 past Princeton--but it's never to go to Hennepin, always as a shortcut to get to Peoria. I've never understood why they don't sign Peoria off of I-80 at that exit, and they really should upgrade the highway south of Hennepin to interstate standards all the way to Peoria.
Illinois I-180 looks like a set where episodes of Life After People were filmed.
Lol
Beaver Geography did a video for the Illinois I-180 and it is the most useless interstate because of the plant.
Yea I saw that too
If they'd extend it to Peoria it'd have a purpose
@@lancehammons5918 Agreed.
They should've extended it to Peoria to give people in Chicago a way to get directly to Peoria and to give Quad City residents an alternate route.
At least it was built to interstate standards, unlike Wyoming’s 180.
"TODD'S the way it should be for i-180 in Wyoming" first of all it should be interstate standards lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
lol
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so true
Wyoming 180 shouldn't be an interstate. Its just a road. Its the worst "interstate."
Yep, it's already signed Business I-25 so just drop the 180.. There is another Business 80 so it can't be that
@@jasonthompson9698 Agreed. Plus it wouldn't make sense to sign I-180 as business I-80 since I-180 travels north and south. I-180 is also signed as regular US-85 which is good enough.
They should probably upgrade Wyoming I 180 to interstate standards or downgrade it to a state or U.S highway
@@GLOATINGMAPLE01 Yeah they should just downgrade it to the already existing US-85 and Business US-87.
Its a complete 180 of what an Interstate should be
Wyoming I-180 is basically a glorified Breezewood. I think it could be upgraded to an actual freeway without causing too much displacement to the businesses around it, it looks like it could be done, though we’ll see if it ever happens.
Can’t wait for I-80 West next week! That’s the direction of 80 that I have traveled the most miles on. Way more than I-80 East.
The traffic light at the end of it would still break the rules though
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 no typically traffic lights at the beginning and ends are allowed, unless you mean the diamond interchange, which could be reconfigured to a cloverstack/parclo hybrid
Trust me east coast is clustered. Way too many drivers on the road. One good construction zone can stall the highway for an hour
I-180 in Illinois at one point did have bigger aspirations. If you notice at the end of Illinois 6, there is a trumpet interchange completed with ghost ramps. That is where the "To Illinois 29" stub was proposed to connect for the Peoria freeway. Damn NIMBYS.
I actually took a drive on Illinois 180 2 years ago. From the time I came off 80 East and got on 180 until I got to the end, turned around and came back I saw 4 vehicles. It's kinda picturesque towards the end but outside of that...nothing.
I-180 in Illinois single handedly made the line "if you build it, they will come" obsolete
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Nice
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I personally would switch the last two interstates, but I can definitely see the reasoning. I just think Wyomings I-180 is the worst because it’s not an actual interstate by any means. Great video as always though! Excited for what you have to say about 80 west.
Thanks!
At least it's actually used by people. Illinois 180 is just a corrupt boondoggle
It’s breaking all of the rules
there should be an extension of I-180 to Peoria to I-74 I-474 interchange.
And there was another I-180 in Pennsylvania, running to Reading. It (along with I-280, I-480 and I-680 in Pennsylvania, due to the fact they branched off I-80S) was renumbered to I-176 when I-80S was renumbered I-76. It still exists, it just carries a different number than when it was built. There was also an Interstate 180 in California, designated on the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge, but that only lasted five years (1978 to 1983), and was swiftly renumbered as an extension of I-580 due to a state policy in California against duplicating state, U.S. and Interstate numbers, as a state route with the same number already existed in the Fresno area, even though other states such as Tennessee and Florida have such duplication of numbers.
The problem with the PA I-180 is that it is supposed to direct traffic away from US 15 between Williamsport and I-80, but it seems to have only had moderate success in doing so. It's several miles longer to take 180 vs taking US 15, so it seems many people opt for US 15 instead, even though it takes you right through downtown South Williamsport, which has numerous stoplights and gets congested easily. It's a good road otherwise though.
180 in PA is notorious for speed traps, but is a decent road. US 15 has been improved significantly over the years and takes majority of the traffic from 80 to the 180/220/15 junction
I think speed traps to be important, at least for safety.
I think the I-180 in Wyoming shouldn't exist because it has No Freeway Proportions
I just don't understand why it's not a business spur route.
I used I-180 in Pennsylvania and it's a good route from the area south to Williamsport, although it is very useful but not as useful as other auxilliaries like I-476 nearby, it is the best I-180
I drive parts of it everyday, I wish they would convert 220 to lockhaven to an interstate. That would give 99 a path to 15 and get ride of the horrible road conditions of 220.
@@dustychevy1693 I take Route 15 other times and they are constantly upgrading it thankfully
@@dustychevy1693 That's the plan...eventually.
I think we could make 180 in Illinois use by extending 474 to it and 155. These three off branches would probably need to be renamed “interstate 51” and the part of 180 east of sr 29 would have to be an off branch of 51, but that’s fine
If I-180 was built to Peoria instead of Hennepin, it would actually have a purpose. Instead, the Senator who did this was selfish and everyone is stuck with the consequences.
Oh definitely
I'm surprised I haven't seen a comment on this yet. For I-180 in Wyoming, the story goes that this was given an interstate route because all other states had at least one auxiliary interstate and Wyoming wanted an auxiliary interstate route as well. It seems that Wyoming did have intentions to upgrade I-180 to freeway standards, but since it didn't receive federal funding to help make that happen, they moved forward with upgrading it to what it is now and was allowed the exception to still call it I-180.
(Ironically, although there is an I-194 near Bismark, ND on paper, it's not actually signed, so now North Dakota has become the only state without an auxiliary route.)
Great info, thanks!
The justification for I-180 Wyoming seems to counter why Lancaster, PA never got a spur route of I-76.
PA 283 and US 222 more or less act as I-76 spurs
The Interstate 283 goes from the Turnpike to I 83 + US 322. The Pa SR 283 is sort of an extention of I 283. But 576 and 776 are available.
@@roadgeek1961 There will soon be an I-576 in Pittsburgh.
Wyoming 180 shouldn't even be in existence.
Illinois 180 could still have potential if extended down to Peoria with the interchange of I-74/474 and rte 6.
180 in Pennsylvania is ok for the meantime.
I think more State Troopers drive on I-180 than anyone. As a truck driver, I've been pulled over on I-180 than any other highway, and I don't drive it that much.
This was a fun video. Love the meta/lore here on Illinois I-180
Thanks!
As for the University of Nebraska at Lincoln, my wife graduated from the University of Nebraska at Kearney (the Lopers as in antelope), which recruits heavily in the Denver area, and my alma mater, the University of Northern Colorado, used to play the University of Nebraska at Omaha (the Mavericks) in sports when we were a NCAA Division II school.
I also think the University of Nebraska likes to add an initial for each campus so they aren't confused with the United Nations (which uses the same initials UN).
I live in PA. Our story begins in Bedford PA where Route 220 North becomes a concurrency with the southern end of interstate 99. I-99 goes 85 miles north and becomes a concurrency with interstate 80 east. From exit 161 to exit 178, it is an 80 east/99/220 North concurrency. The signage for the west end of the loop says 220 Lock Haven at exit 178. Actually that begins a North 220/99 concurrency and the first exit is at mile marker 107 at Salona rte 477, the west loop begins at mm102 because of the 17 mile concurrency with interstate 80. Then at route 15 in Williamsport, interstate 99 splits off northbound to Corning . Then the loop becomes a 180east/220 north concurrency until 220 splits off north towards Sayre and then 180 is by itself for like 10 or 15 miles where it connects back to i80. Confusion can be eliminated by making the primary signage of the entire loop interstate 180 and making 220/99/15 whatever a secondary signage in the concurrency. Interstate 99 north with route 15 from Williamsport to Corning is an absolutely beautiful drive. It says future expansion of i99 but really it is already interstate grade all the way into NY
What I think about all of these:
I-180 in Illinois should become extensions of SH-71 and SH-29 and have SH-29 end at I-80 and SH-71 should end at SH-29
I-180 in Wyoming should either become SH-180 or just get removed from the signs all together.
You can leave I-180 in Nebraska alone, and I-180 in Pennsylvania should be a loop.
Solid
The I-180 in PA was built to bypass going through Lewisburg to get to I-80. If coming from north US 15 toward Lewisburg it was extended to bypass going through Lewisburg. It's not updated on GPS in vehicles
I should combine these comments as one but anyway... I-180 in Illinois is mostly used for highway tests whether it be construction or radar, etc.
drove down IL 180, was in the area. very dead, could’ve easily been a 2 lane road like IL-71 leading to it was
If I-180 had connected to Peoria, it would have made more sense. The only reason I have driven on it is to connect to rt. 29, to get to Peoria.
We have SR 180 IN Fresno California. It rubs from Firebaugh through Downtown Fresno to intersections with SR 99, SR 41, and SR 168 (WEST PORTION)
I live in Lincoln and I’ve been on I-180 plenty of times. It’s short and sweet.
Should have known I wouldn't be safe from a Nebraska football shot here...
I use the entire length of 180 in Pennsylvania quite often when driving through that state to bypass parts of U.S. 15 that still has at grade intersections and a couple towns that slow it down between Williamsport and Shmokan Dam.
The Nebraska state capitol was the nation's tallest when it was completed in 1922. When he was elected Governor of Louisiana in 1928, Huey Long demanded a new state capitol and that it had to be built taller than Nebraska's. It was.
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They should reroute 180 Illinois to follow Il-29 to Peoria. Just seems to make more sense now.
Wyoming I-180 because it has stoplights and no interchanges.
When you are done with the 2-digits, you should consider doing Australia Rt. 1.
It's a big one! 9,000 MILES!!!!!! It loops through all the big cities in Australia. Serving every single state in Australia besides Tasmania.
Wow sounds cool!
@@ControlCityFreak Yeah it's like a beltway of Australia.
The problem with that is that he does videos that cover the control cities on freeways. Australian highways are in most places 2 lane streets that don’t have a system control cities like American interstates do.
@@steamstream777 Not I-180 and he said he would do US highways
California used to have an I-180, basically the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge. It has since renumbered most of California 17 as I-580 and I-880. Apparently California has a state highway 180 and didn't want to renumber that one.
By definition, I 180 Wyoming is the worst because it has stoplights and a maximum speed of 40mph. It really doesn't meet interstate standards, unless they only apply to two digit interstates.
It looks like Illinous' I 180 is longer than the other 3 COMBINED. It's more of an interstate than the other 3, it's just that the steel mill for which it was built for closed AFTER the road was built and now doesn't have a purpose
They probably should have just built the mill right off 80, but land would have been more expensive, so build it in the middle of nowhere and scam the man into building an interstate to you instead
The one in Pennsylvania is three times longer than the one in Illinois.
Ah yes, my favorite city to visit "I-80"
As someone who had a good season betting on Nebraska-Omaha basketball games about a decade ago, I know well the differences between the different schools in the Nebraska system.
Notice the exit number to go from 180 to 80 in Nebraska. It uses the exit number for the exit from I-80 to I-180. It should probably be exit zero on 180. I've seen this done elsewhere in Nebraska. At one time the exit from I-76 east with 80 had the exit number coming off I-80 (I think it was 102). It might still be that way.
Hennepin, IL is more famous for the Hennepin Canal (which follows an ancient riverbed of the Mississippi itself) that connects the Illinois River to the Mississippi River near the Quad Cities.
Maybe, but I'm guessing it's more famous because of 180. Every road nerd knows it from that, and thousands of normies a day see it on an overhead sign.
I feel Illinois should use the term 'Chicagoland' for I-80 east rather than Joliet - to represent the greater Chicago area instead of one particular subarb.
Signing Chicago represents the whole metro. There’s no signs for “Twin Cities” or “Metroplex” or “Bay Area” anywhere, the main city is generally always what’s signed
Fun watch. I live in Williamsport, PA. I can't argue, any of your points. But I have to admit, I'm very glad that PA's I 180 is here.
Oh yeah, it’s existence makes sense
Damn, there’s literally none on I-180 in Illinois, like total of cars is zero.
There were two other Interstate 180s:
Spur to Reading, Pennsylvania off what is currently I-76 (renumbered I-176 when I-80S was renumbered to I-76)
San Rafael, California (temporary designation for the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge, renumbered as an extension of I-580 to comply with a state policy against duplicating Interstate, U.S. and state highway numbers, in spite of other states such as Tennessee and Florida duplicating such numbers)
As do Texas, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, pretty severely.
@@ControlCityFreak North Carolina is the worst. They have I-74, US-74, and SR-74 all in the same area. Ugh!
And I have something for you to cover in a future video: flagrant violations of U.S. Route numbering:
These routes approved by AASHTO blatantly violate the numbering system:
U.S. Route 163 (current iteration does not connect to US 63; entirely within the Four Corners region)
U.S. Route 400 (no parent route; entirely concurrent with other routes; should be renumbered as an x50, x54 or x66)
U.S. Route 412 (does not connect to US 12; should be renumbered as an x56, x60 (i.e. US 360 extension), x62, x64 (i.e. US 264 extension) or x70)
U.S. Route 425 (does not connect to US 25; should be renumbered as mainline US 65, US 65 Alternate, an x65, or a US 98 extension)
@@rileysmith9843 101 isn’t a violation. It’s a 2 digit highway that happens to have 3 digits, next odd to the west of (former) 99
Other violations of the numbering system (which excludes US 101, as it is similar in function to a 2di):
U.S. Route 521 (currently does not connect to its parent route, US 21, or any branch of it)
U.S. Route 411 (currently does not connect to its parent route, US 11, or any branch of it)
U.S. Route 331 (does not connect to its parent route, US 31, nor does it connect to any branch routes of it)
U.S. Route 641 (currently does not connect to US 41, nor does it connect to any branch routes)
U.S. Route 121 (planned iteration does not connect to implied parent route, US 21, nor does it connect to any branch routes of it)
U.S. Route 166 (parent route no longer exists)
U.S. Route 171 (currently does not connect to parent route)
U.S. Route 175 (currently does not connect to parent route)
U.S. Route 181 (currently does not connect to parent route)
U.S. Route 199 (parent route no longer exists)
U.S. Route 220 (does not connect to parent route)
U.S. Route 266 (parent route no longer exists)
U.S. Route 180 (does not connect to parent route)
U.S. Route 380 (does not connect to parent route)
U.S. Route 281 (does not connect to parent route)
These 3di routes violate the system, as they no longer connect to their parent route or any branches of said parent, and one that is under construction (121) will have no connection to its parent route nor any branches. There are too many less than 300 miles in length to mention, but 10 of the routes I listed that violate the numbering conventions (as a replacement for US 101’s initial mention) and two of the four flagrant numbering violators (163 and 425, as it is now four because of 101’s redaction, down from five) are less than 300 miles in length, even though they cover ground in more than one state. The child routes without connection to parent routes are likely to be mentioned in that future video covering flagrant violations of the U.S. Route numbering, but it’ll likely center around the current iteration of US 163, along with US 400, US 412 and US 425, all of which violate the numbering guidelines set by AASHTO by not connecting to parent routes, and in one case, US 400, there is no parent route.
Depends on the season. If it’s winter Wyoming hands down.
Every time you say "Keep on truckin'," it reminds me of the very beginning of the Jay & Silent Bob movie (when Jay's mom & some random dude are arguing in front of the Quik Stop).
Lol
Not gonna lie, the more I see these videos the more I wanna travel, might have to do a coast to coast on I-80 next summer when I get my license and go on all of these
Sounds awesome!
I hope you enjoy your ride! :)
Illinois 180, was constructed to service a Steel mill, a company was taken over by a competitor, then closed.
Hennepin is a nice river town off the Illinois River where it turns South.
Since the Interstate system wa originally designed for the Military. This I-180 was constructed with this in mind. During WW2 this area built many ships and supplies would need to go by road if we needed to build ships there again.
University of Nebraska has a campus in Omaha as well as Lincoln, so they use abbreviations based on which campus they're referring to...UNL for Lincoln, UNO for Omaha.
If you look in Peoria Area I 474 ends at I 74 and continues as Illinois State Route 6 .Route 6 ends at an exit to Illinois 29. There is ghost ramps at the end, scene on Google Maps Satellite.
Wyoming to make a long story short the diamond Interchange was supposed to be like high speed ramps. Downgraded to a diamond Interchange and Controlled Access Parkway over a limited Access Freeway.
Another thing for Illinois I 39 is fairly close is my theory why Illinois 6 wasn't extended .
Oh cool, I'll check that out!
Another interesting quirk is that I-135 in Kansas is wholy concurrent with US 81. There are numerous business routes of US 81 to/from the interstate.
At 9:55 you're looking over the historic Cheyenne railroad depot, now a nice railway museum.
When you make I 82, it will be an example of an interstate signed east-west, that actually travels more distance north-south, and even quite some distance east when signed west! LOL
Yep, weird routing on that one! I get it though, it's built to connect Seattle and SLC, which is more east-west than north-south
@@ControlCityFreak also kind of an out-of-grid number by today’s numbering scheme. It seems like it came about because 84 used to be designated as 80N, then it made sense, but is doesn’t really line up now. But every number between 80 and 90 is already used (some of them twice).
Great video!
Thanks!
I am going to college in Williamsport, PA and 180 is such a miserable road on the west end☹️
thanks for the video!
To further drive home how useless I-180 in Illinois is, you don't even take it if you are going to Hennepin from I-80 west. Fastest way is to get off at I-39 south.
Nebraska capitol looks different... I was just thinking it looks pretty much the same as Louisiana's capitol building.
I’d swap the first two. I feel like I-180 in PA is actually a useful Interstate as it connects cities away from I-80 to the very important road, whereas I-180 in NE is just an Interstate-standard version of the one in Wyoming. I definitely agree on the last two placements.
I-180 WY isn't entirely controlled access as it links Downtown Cheyenne, WY. I-180 IL doesn't go anywhere, except it's the worst designed freeway in America and it ends in Hennepin, IL after crossing the Illinois River.
Great stuff as always... Gonna say the IL I-180 eb I-80 control city of Joliet makes PERFECT sense considering this I-180 was originally built for a steel mill since Joliet is a steel industry transportation hub with waterways, EJ&E Rwy., etc.
Thanks! Wouldn't Chicago also qualify as a steel transportation hub?
Joliet doesn't make sense. We don't sign suburbs on this channel. It should be Chicago.
@@ControlCityFreak Now it would. But the Eljin, Joliet, & Eastern Rwy.(EJ&E) was headquartered and hubbed at Joliet. EJ&E was owned by Transtar (US Steel) along with sister railroad Duuth Missabe & Iron Range Rwy (DM&IR) (my mom worked for them and also EJ&E). Joliet was the affiliated transportation hub for the original steel plant this FWY was built for. I completely agree that Chicago makes far more sense now as a control city. But I'm saying Joliet was completely appropriate with regards to the purpose of building this fwy. to begin with.
@@mxderate At least don’t sign them on 2 digit highways (especially not an X0). As CCF has mentioned before, it’s okay to sign them on 3 digit roads, just don’t use them as the primary on a 2 digit road.
@@ianp1745 I would use Joliet on I-80 Westbound instead of Iowa. That’s the only time it would work. Des Moines is too far away from that point. And it’s in another state(both Iowa and Illinois like being provincial)
The Devaney Center is still around. It was renovated to become home for the volleyball team.
UNL is strange usage, considering the university refers to itself as "NU"
Of all the I-180s, only the one in Pennsylvania seems legit to me.
I-180 Lincoln Nebraska can be posted simply as US-34.
I-180 Cheyenne Wyoming can be posted as an extension of I-25 Business Spur.
I-180 in Illinois can be reposted in sections as SR-71 for the east-west leg and SR-29 for the north south section. It's too bad they never built I-180 down to Peoria instead; that would have made it somewhat useful.
I think the Nebraska one is plenty legit. Lots of short urban spurs out there.
I've used Illinois I-180 quite a lot and it really is ridiculous to make that road an interstate. Since I live in Illinois and drove a truck, I know the area well
Todd I can tell you are a huge fan of Nebrasketball. I guess them not playing Kansas anymore helps your strength of schedule every year
I enjoyed the rivalry, even though we always lost to them in football and usually beat them in basketball. I didn’t care much about Colorado leaving, Pac 12 is probably a more natural fit for them anyway, but Nebraska leaving always seemed dumb
The University of Nebraska system has three main campuses. Of course UNL in Lincoln, UNO in Omaha (I taught AF ROTC there for four years so I know it well), and UNK in Kearney. Of course, for most Division 1 athletics, UNL is simply known as the University of Nebraska. Though UNO has a division one men's Hockey program.
Then we have some who only know because of the cities because they couldn't give a squat about sports
I-180 Cheyenne should have been numbered I-80 Business SPUR. It would not be the only city that has a Business Loop and Spur off the main Interstate. Ft' Leonard Wood in Missouri has both I-44 Business Loop and Spur.
To your point, the entirety of I-180 in Cheyenne is already cosigned as Business I-25, even below I-80 after the 180 designation has ended.
Wyoming should just drop the charade at this point.
@@papilgee4evaeva I-180 is also co-signed with US-85, which I think is more than good enough since it's a regular US highway route.
I know Nebraska-Lincoln as "Nebraska"-and Nebraska-Omaha as "Omaha" (since a few years ago, when they dropped the "Nebraska"), so, I guess to Nebraskans , they either went to UNL, UNO, or Creighton.
The Devaney Center still exists, but it now houses Nebraska volleyball.
180 in Pennsylvania will end at 99 when 99 is extended to fill in the gap between Williamsport and Belleforte (the 80 interchange)
Oh that would be cool!
PA still has work to do to upgrade that section of US 220. For example, much of the stretch between I-80 and Lock Haven still has only two lanes.
Will you do a video for Iowa’s I-380? Hits three large Iowa cities and could be a 2di.
I probably will. I was on it for the first time recently
@@ControlCityFreak great! (And don’t forget to mention how it’s part of the “Avenue of the Saints”.)
It could be a 2-digit if they extended it to Rochester, MN.
imagine I-180 in cheyenne turns into the I-80 Mainline
basically 21st century Phoenix lol
On 80 East, US 220 is signed for Lock Haven, then down the road you hit I-180 for Williamsport, even though 220 would have been a much shorter way to Williamsport. 😂
Yeah it’s nuts. My favorite is 80 east being signed for Williamsport on 220 south itself, when a good amount of the traffic there would literally be coming from Williamsport
Interstate 180 in Illinois I feel is pretty useless. If it had been built from I-80 to Peoria, it would have had a purpose as an interstate. Why that never happened, and here we are in 2023, I have very little idea.
I-180 in PA is also strange because the miles on its mile markers increase going WB and decrease going EB.
Oh good catch! Didn't notice that
@@ControlCityFreak I barely noticed it myself when I drove it. My guess is I-180 in PA was planned N/S, but made W/E due to US 220 & US 15 already going "wrong way" N/S.
@@briancatanzaro6053 Oh that makes sense
I think I-180 in Illinois should be used as a racetrack
What a ridiculous idea.
that has to be the only use for it now
Us locals certainly treat it as a "racetrack" I assure you. LOL
Idk. As a fellow non-Nebraskan, I also know about UNK and University of Nebraska at Omaha. However, I was heavily involved in student orgs in college and was pretty familiar with lots of universities in the upper-great plains region.
Nice view of Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, where my Michigan Wolverines barely escaped with a win on national TV last year. Oh, and head coach Scott Frost just got fired this week. Program hasn't been the same since Tom Osborne retired 25 years ago for starters. US 281 is named after him between Grand Island and Hastings, his hometown.
I am no expert on Hennepin, IL, but I-180 there looks like a highway which may have been intended, or should have been, built to Peoria. Could hook up with I-474 at I-74 where IL-6 runs.
Yep, saw Frost got fired. Keep seeing Lance Leipold rumors, as a KU guy I hope nothing comes of that. They were still pretty good with Solich and reputable with Pelini, but yeah haven't been the same since Osborne.
I concur. Interstate 180 in Illinois is a bad choice of Interstate. But, could work if extended to meet another interstate. As it stands currently, it's a waste of taxpayer dollars for an interstate that doesn't go anywhere major or hook up with any major highways to take you anywhere.
Lewisburg PA is home of Bucknell who beat Kansas in the 2005 NCAA basketball tournament.
For my theory is I 80 goes by Joliet but it never goes into Chicago but I have been on it before. And it makes sense if making I-180 Joliet is the proper name.
It doesn't matter if it doesn't go through Chicago. IT SERVES CHICAGO!
I said it once and I'll say it again, there are PLENTY of examples where Interstates are signed for cities they don't actually go to.
Joliet should not be on that overhead sign at the end. I don't care if it's on a 3-digit interstate. And it should not be signed on entrance ramps on northbound I-55 north of Bloomington, either.
"... is the worst"," or ...is worse".
Why doesn’t 180 in PA extend all the way down to 15 since it’s still up to interstate standards south of the I 80 interchange all the way to 15
Wyoming’s should just be business 25. It’s concurrent the whole way. What purpose does the 180 designation serve?
None, other than fed $$ I assume
it was built with federal money designated for interstates. but then again so were the signed alaska routes. technically those are interstates too but aren't signed that way.
On one year, Texas Tech 70, Nebraska 10. R.I.P. Mike Leach
I live in Williamsport. I drive on i180 everyday for work.
2:50 just saying there’s UNK (Kearney) and UNO (omaha) so it dies matter locally
I went to UNK:
University of Nebraska at Kearney.
Formerly Kearney State.
Devaney Center has been converted to a volleyball only facility. Pinnacle Arena is the new general purpose arena.
Nice!
It looks nice now as a volleyball arena, but it looked strange when it opened in the mid-'70s. Originally it was a 15,000-seat arena but it had design cues that gave it the appearance of a high school gym such as ceiling-hung baskets and wooden folding bleachers at floor level...in fact when I watched Devaney Center games on TV in its early days (it was a frequent Big Dance early round venue back then), during game action the cameras panned down on the floor such that it appeared the game was being played in a run-of-the-mill 1000-seat HS gym. No way an arena of that size would be built like that today with increased focus on the fan experience and the numerous obstructed view end zone seats caused by the baskets, even worse given the original scoreboard was a small center-hung one.
Doesn't that curve on the Pennsylvania 180 go from north to west
You should talk about I-381 here in Virginia when you get to it shortly.
I'll look into it! Been up to my eyeballs in 80 so haven't looked at anything 81 yet.
@@ControlCityFreak Sounds good. I'm excited to see what you have to say about I-81 here in VA, especially when you get to my area.
I’m sorry the worst 180 is the CA state highway that has nothing to do with I-80. It’s in Fresno and it’s existence limits CA to just 8 off branches of 80, which was not enough before Loma Prieta took down 480.
They got around this by naming a connector of 580 and 880, “I-238” and extending 580 past 80. 238 is the bane of my existence. They should instead designate 238 and the section of 580 east of it as an off branch of 5, specifically as “705”
480 should be assigned to Sacramento’s belt route and 180 should be given to the northern leg of 580 west of 80. I don’t care what they rename the Fresno highway to accomplish this
Yeah 238 was always a pretty weird and hilarious choice
This is interesting
Thanks!
Wyoming's Interstate 180 is the worst because it doesn't even DESERVE to be a freeway based on its design.
I mean at least it has a purpose.
11:33 IL-DOT dosent even want I-180, judging by its condition
Will I-80 West be next week?
Yes
Hey todd, you should do the worst I-480 or I-194
I think I-180 Wyoming isn't an interstate by almost any standard you look at. They must have had someone in DC that got this done for them. Interstate disguised as a surface strode.
It might have been Dick Cheney. He was Wyoming's representative in Congress before he was named Secretary of Defense by George H W Bush, and VP under George W Bush.
I've only been on the Pennsylvania one. In my opinion, they should've just had routed I-80 through the Lock Haven and Williamsport areas following 220 and 15 instead of having I-80 to the south. It wouldn't have been too much longer a distance for thru traffic and it might've been cheaper to build since it followed the river and had flatter terrain.
Yeah that seems reasonable, I assumed they did the route the way they did because of terrain, but maybe not.
I live in Williamsport. My best guest for the reasoning is for 220 from Williamsport to Lock Haven, good chunk of it is not set up for interstate.
@@joshuaforrest16 true but back in the 1960s when they built these roads, there was nothing up to interstate standards back then, especially in the spot where where I-80 is now.
I'm just thinking routing the highway along the Susquehanna where 220 and I-180 is now would've been easier to build because the terrain is flatter than where I-80 is and more people live along that area. Between Milton and Lamar, there's almost nothing along I-80.
I did a check on Google Maps: Going I-80, instead of US 220 through I-180, saves 27 miles. I certainly prefer saving half an hour. 😀 (I made long trips across PA on I-80 when I lived in NJ.)