It's light, it's affordable... but how does it ride? Sub 6 for 6 Pt.ii
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
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In part one: • Building a sub 6kg bik... laid out the plan to build a sub 6kg bike for a total budget of less than $6,000.
Well, now the bike is done, under weight and under budget, but how does it ride? I share my first impressions of the bike, as well as talk about who a build like this may be for.
Sections:
00:00 Intro Montage
00:28 What is this?
01:15 Final weight
02:08 How it rides
06:12 Analysing part by part
10:55 Who is this bike for?
12:00 Outro - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Bro happy you shared the weight with pedals. Dont know if i could have gone to sleep otherwise. 😂😂 Super dope ride mate 🤌
Haha. RoJ would send the squad after me...
Excellent video and music so far!
Great work!
DJ Jazzy Jeff in the house.
Good stuff my man.
Hi Joe. Nice video and very nice build. Those wheels really seem top notch. Curious to see what are you trying next, as I can see many really exiting things coming out of China these days. With so many people having issues with the word "affordable" - which is definitely a subjective concept - I guess no one can argue it's not super "competitive". Cheers
hi joe! Amazing bike, please bring back that BF sale i missed :\ im planning to build a really similar bike. Thanks for the videos and keep it going! Pandapodium rocks!
Great bike and channe! I just built a lesser but still very good bike. Airwolf YFR001 frame, Airwolf wheels, bars and stem. Swapped over an Ultegra 8020 group set bought in 2017. Comes in at a bit over 7.7 kilos before going tubeless. Not counting th e groupset but w a used Stages non drive power meter about $1500 USD. It was a pain in the ass to build but well worth the wait and frustration. My third charbon bike, i named it "DaPhuc" and custom made vinyl graphics for it!
Wow nice build. 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks 🔥
Very sharp!
i can't bring myself to buy another bike so soon after just building one.... but you better bring back that BF deal for frame+crankset+wheels+bars next year!
We wanna get to the point where we can offer great deals all year round!
These feiyu shots are nuts.
No Feiyu shots in thsi one... Insta360 360" camera on invisible selfie stick. :)
Excellent video, which wall stand is that?
what happened to the previous video? youtube saying it's private
Where can I get the direct mount derailleur hanger for this bad boy? (What is the model/brand?)
Will UCI team Ferei Mongolia be riding Tavelo frames instead of Onirii next year?
Can you make a video of biking in xiamen? I split time between Zhu hai and California and like how the roads are paved with dedicated bike paths
Xiamen is legit a cycling paradise. Very underrated.
Hi Joe! How does this frame compare to the Winspace T1500 D? Thanks.
HELLO i want to know your handle bar ? look so cool !!! where can buy and whats name about this . thank you so much
Does the frame fit mechanical groupsets?
Any info on the tavelo arrow?
Is this bike available with mechanical shifting?
Can you share the price you payed, not the price you sell the componets at? Only if you want obviously
You can get this frame directly from the manufacturer and another brand. Does Tavelo do any extra qc or anything?
Sidenote, I think the T1500 downtube shape is horrific for aerodynamics and I wanna do some cfd analysis. I'm gonna try and do something with the pictures online to get something close. Don't think you could get me a 3d model of the frame could you? 😁
Not sure if the frame you're talking about is the actual same frame. 🙈 As I said in part 1, there are a few brands who use this frame overseas, but AFAIK they're all selling it for more, not less. As for the T1500, sorry, I don't have any of their stuff.
How strong is the carbon material?
Hi, what rotors are you using?
Joe when will the reenforced canary bars be available? I cant stomach the darimo bars price. And please try to talk them into making a 340/360 bar. It would be perfect.
I'd also prefer a 340 so I have motivation to push them haha. Reinforced canary is still coming I think, but the new falcon I think is also stiffer than the canary. Just got one in for testing. (Also heavier, more aero...)
@@ChinaCycling Hi Joe, do you know the stem angle of the new falcon? Is it still +10 degrees?
What's the name of the manufacturer. Where one can buy them?
waiting for sub-1kg for under 1k bucks 😂
Hahaha, Sign me up!
I am curious what’s the weight of the frame. The link you reference that shows the details of each product is not showing anywhere.
I heard your claim that bike is about 1kg lighter than any of pro’s in world tour are racing. Bike is light because you have supper light components. Any of the world tour bikes with components hanging on this bike would bring down the weight to about or under 6.
The weight info is on their website, per colour.
Yeah, this build isn't about the frame (or any single component for that matter.) it's about the bike as a whole. If you put all these components on a Tarmac SL8 SWORKS it would be lighter (and a few thousand dollars more expensive...)
Do u feel any flex when sprinting on the exs aero bar?
Nope. The EXS is a lot stiffer. However, I sprint like a yorkshire terrier, so not the best guy to ask.
What kind of powermeter pedals are you using? Thank youuuu!
assioma favero duo, he mentioned it earlier sometime
Yup. Favero Assioma Duo. Had them for years; love them.
Joe what is that camera you’re using? Need
A mix of equipment. Usually Insta360 stuff on the bike (though sometimes with DJI or GoPro) and then Sony A7s iv for off the camera. Maybe I'll make a video on my gear one day.
Good review! What are the items would you recommend (if any) to change out for heavier riders (81kg)? I know about the carbon saddle. What else?
Heavier guys can change the handlebar to the Farsports F1S, change the saddle to something padded, the CRW wheels are fine upto 100kg. If you're at / close to 100kg, maybe switch to the SCOM wheels (stiffest wheels I"ve tested on my rig.) Everything else should be fine.
both are 140mm disc rotor right?
Yup. More than enough for my weight.
No drama → my dream bike
Any details on the rotors?
Galfer, check the part 1 video. So far they ride well.
@@ChinaCyclingthanks Joe, keep up the good work.
The gap between the headset and the fork looks to be pretty big.
It does look a little big doesn't it. Lemme check I didn't use the wrong bearing...🙈
4:18 why do they paint the bottom of the trees white?
Good question....
I can answer this. It is to allow the trees to be illuminated by lights at night so you don't crash into them.
Mainly for protection against pests. It is lime (calcium hydroxide) not typical paint.
Which city are you living in ?
Xiamen.
UCI legal?
@chinaCycling Is the chainring for 12spd only?
11sp no problem. My colleague Tom has them on his supersix running 11spd sram red mechanical.
no power meter just to save weight?
I like the assiomas, they have lots of data like out of the saddle time, etc. So, may as well use them and no on-bike power meter.
Just under 6 years of savings 😅
Don't worry, in six years the industry will be back onto rim brakes. 😂
cant hear tire noise huh? cmon joe LOL hahaha
Some artistic liberalties with the description, but, it's genuinely shocking how quiet this bike is. (Or maybe my other bikes are all too noisy.... )😂
there was a time way back where the mark of a well maintained bike was how silent the drivetrain was....i feel ya....dont even ride with the resonance/disc brake in my bike, sooo ugh. so uh wheres the bike with rim brakes bro? f disc brakes man. @@ChinaCycling
It’s time for this company to start selling all these bikes to US
Part I is not available - private video.
Whoops! Linked the wrong video, will fix later today when i'm at the studio.
If it’s like a Tesla does that mean it spontaneously lights on fire, locks you in with the only escape being unscrewing a speaker, and spontaneously veers into traffic
Hahahahhahaha. 😂
I wouldn't call 6000$ affordable. There are second hand cars in good condition cheaper than that. Affordable would be something that is less than a typical salary.
Yeah... I don't know what word to use. The price is there in the thumbnail so everyone can judge for themselves (so it's not misleading) but an equivalent performance big brand bike would be like $10,000 - so... "afordable-er" ?
If it's more about you and not the bike characteristics, does it mean you're boring? 😅
I think so..
I have a bike now that weight 23lbs khs urban extreme. Don't see a reason to spend money. My point was that you stated affordable, that is not affordable to the general population.
"Affordable" is certainly relative. This outperforms many ~$12,000 bikes, so in that context, it's a bargain. I'm currently working on a build that is around a third of this price, so, don't worry, haven't lose my ways.
Простая китайская рама за 500-700 долларов, одноразовая больше 3 лет ни них не катают к сожалению тому пример мой SEKA проехал 1309 километров и пошла трещина в пере я год ждал раму что бы катать 1.300 километров и сказать ой эта не гарантийный случай
Since when has a bike priced at $6,000 been regarded as affordable? 🙄
Since around 3-4 years ago when bikes started costing >$10,000.
Affordable, bike that costs 6k USD.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
Welcome to 2023. 🙃
affordable?🤣🤣🤣
Affordable 🤣
Definitely relative. Depends what we're comparing to.....
Affordable rofl 😂😂😂😂😂
It seemed a better choice than "cheap". Haha. I guess it depends what we're comparing to...
Affordable for who. When people say affordable, it usually means general population not the rich. The general population can not afford to spend $6,000 on a bicycle. They would be more like $1000 or less.
For 1000 bucks you can get used supersix evo or emonda on rim brakes, which would be weight close to 6.5 kg. But it takes time to found one
I can afford that bike, still I wouldn't classify that bike in the affordable category.
I get it. Everything is relative though right. You can have an "affordable supercar." or an "affordable house." This is the most affordable way I could build a sub 6kg, high performance, hydraulic disc brake road bike. Anyway the price is clearly in the thumbnail so it's hardly like it's clickbait.
I think @chinacycling made it pretty clear in pt. 1 - this is affordable compared to a high-end Western build (about half the price of the likes of an SL8 to get this weight.) He never claimed to be reviewing a Walmart bike, this was always an attempt to get to a super low weight with as little money as possible. Do you care to actually watch and understand the context or are you just here to grandstand? Don’t blast a solid creator when you don’t understand the premise - that’s just disingenuous.
If someone said a car is $6k, majority of people would say that's affordable.
Is this still the channel that made it's reputation showing us how to save lots of money by buying quality Chinese bikes and bike parts for much less than the Western name brands? How can you call $6,000 "affordable"? Because it's not $10,000? Can we get back to actual affordable bikes and bike parts please?
Not really - it has always been about quality over cheapness. Trace Velo does the cheap stuff ;)
@@Evaso_CC But how many of us think about a $6k bike as affordable? I saw one comment that said that would be 6 years of saving. Also, if I were ever going to spend that much on a bike, which I never would because the bike makes almost no difference, I would buy something from my local bike shop simply for any warranty issues. I ride Chinese wheels currently, a set of 38mm SuperTeam carbon wheels that I love. But they were $274 on sale on Amazon about 5 years ago. $6k? Does anyone believe that bike will make them a super climber if they’re not already? It’s not the bike, it will never be the bike.
I hear you loud and clear. I like to do the whole spectrum. So a $6k bike that can go head to head with a $12k bike. $1k wheels that can go head to head with $3k wheels, etc, etc. I also buy 2nd hand bikes and they're the best bang for your buck you can get, but there's only so many times you can make a video telling people to go buy a 2nd hand rim brake road bike. (Well, unless you're Durianrider, then you can make one every week.) Anyhoo, there's a very cheap alloy build coming on the channel soon...so, don't worry. ;)
@@ChinaCycling Now you sound like my wife. “Honey, I saved us $4,000 today! I bought a $10,000 dress for $6,000. You can use semantics all you want, $6,000 is not an affordable bike, and as long as bike channels keep pushing the idea that they are, bike manufacturers are going to get away with charging way too much for their product. The idea is to get as many people riding as possible. Most people hear $6,000 is affordable and they take up running or swimming. And you don’t need to push second hand bikes to find value, so that’s just a copout, and it also looks bad to bad mouth another channel. Unsubscribe.
I get it that the word affordable is triggering but as Joe already said, it is all relative.
The bike industry is fu$ked anyway as they got greedy and it changed the perspective, don't blame the little guys, go moan at GCN or David Arthur pushing 12k bikes instead.
If its aint rim brake, is automatically shite, and anything sold in USD (in the yen perspective where I live BTW) is expensive AF now. Even though its chinese stuff, its still expensive AF. For ex, your cassettes in panda podium site is duraace level pricing 😂. Ill rather buy the duraace stuff if you know what I mean.
If you're in Japan, Dura Ace defo has the home advantage. Also, I heard the Yen took a huge hit these past few months.