The Visible and Invisible Church Are Not Yet Identical

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  • čas přidán 22. 07. 2020
  • While they certainly overlap significantly, the visible and invisible church are not yet identical in this present age. Jesus will return to separate the sheep from the goats and to purify his church.
    A major difference between particular baptists and confessional Reformed theologians centers on the interpretation of Jeremiah 31:31ff in the present covenant-historical era. Is it possible for unregenerate people to be members of the New Covenant prior to the return of Christ and the consummation? Particular baptists would say, "no." Jeremy Boothby looks to the book of Hebrews, and the author's description of the New Covenant Church in presently in the wilderness, to demonstrate that presently, the covenant community is mixed.
    This clip is from Christ the Center episode 655 (www.reformedforum.org/ctc655)

Komentáře • 4

  • @captainmarvel76927
    @captainmarvel76927 Před rokem

    Well done John Calvin Jr. He would be very proud of thee.

  • @thedomesticmonk772
    @thedomesticmonk772 Před 9 měsíci +2

    That’s because Jesus created a visible church. 1500 years later Luther, Calvin and the rest created alternate sects claiming to be Christian. And not only that, asserting they knew better than Jesus what He intended for His Church. How do we know that? Because Jesus told us that when he founded His Church on St. Peter, giving it the authority to teach and preach in His name and assuring them, in Luke 10:16, “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” We know also that it is a visible Church because Jesus explained the process he wanted followed in Matthew 18:,15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. “
    Clearly one cannot take his brother to an invisible church to settle a dispute. And just as clearly, Jesus only founded one Church, so it’s very unlikely he would compel His disciples to settle their disputes elsewhere.
    This visible Church was foretold by the prophet Daniel, in Daniel 2:44, “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever; 45 just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”
    This invisible church nonsense is just another man made Protestant invention attempting to conform scripture to their beliefs, just like sola scriptura, sola fide and once saved always saved. The One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Church Militant, which is the visible Church on earth foretold by Daniel and founded by Christ. The invisible components are the Church suffering which consists of the Holy Souls in purgatory and the Church Triumphant consists of the Saint is Heaven. But it’s all the same Church.

  • @henriquealexandreh
    @henriquealexandreh Před 4 lety +1

    I'd like to know if all branches of reformed churches imported the idea of invisible church to their doctrine.