Peter & Sam Discuss If They're All Getting Fired | Margin Call
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2022
- Peter realizes they're on the brink, and asks Sam if they're all getting fired that night.
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That moment when Spacey realizes he has the ability to commit insider trading and save his son's finances, but questions if he's going to. Brilliant acting.
I just realized why he said that he needs the money later. He is going to need it for his son. Cant tell him but he wont let him out to dry
Wrong
I think he heard the choppers coming in, like a veteran grunt who’s ear is trained to the sound.
Every single scene of this movie is a masterpiece.
This movie might be the most realistic piece of fiction out there. No crazy sets, no flashy costumes, no music, and above all, no happy ending. Just the sharks of Wall Street, trying to swim.
no music?
I wish they would make movies like this again. They love cgi and super heros to much now. Forgot about the art of film making and dialogue. It's all just explosions and people yelling now.
1:40 there's music
@@getbetterdrunky7612lots of movies with this simplicity exist, you just have to watch them. But they often still have VFX shots. Fincher movies for example aren't usually very flashy but he uses VFX to get exactly the look he wants.
I would go so far as to say this movie is the modern day equivalent of 12 angry men. Going against EVERYTHING that you would expect in a Hollywood movie, relying on nothing but a solid script and excellent performances to carry it.
Say what you will about Kevin Spacey, but the man can act. What a great scene this is.
He sure can. A great example of "Do you really want artists to be perfect human beings?" I don't
@@raytheonbuna1021 I mean, I don't want them to be pieces of shit either, but that can be a lot to ask for in a field like that.
I understand completely. Perhaps my tolerance has grown higher from exposure....😆🙂 @@insideline158
Likes young dudes,sic
Indeed he can.
The acting by Spacey when he realizes he never told his son....
I think he is actually remembering his dog is likely dead by now (he says earlier in the film that the vet said his dog is dying)
@@cardiffgiant9406His dog was dead well before this. While Quinto’s character is putting the pieces together, Spacey’s character is holding his dog as they’re about to put it to sleep.
@@mottebailley4122 you're right...thanks for the clarification. It's been a while since I saw the movie in full!
@@cardiffgiant9406 It’s a great movie! Definitely recommend seeing it again :)
He was not allowed to. His son was at a rival company.
“Are you sure it’s the only, the right thing to do?” “For who?” “I’m not sure” “Neither am I” -- the easiest English to understand but its meaning so powerful. At that point. Both men fell into this deep dilemma.
There is so much going in this scene between these two characters : Kevin spacey has had enough, is losing his pet dog - all spiritual, detached from material things so his concerns are off place. The analyst just the got the taste of blood, he is getting attracted to things beyond analysis - what goes in the board room, how big shots make decision. How his analysis is merely a means, a toy to play for sharks like Tuld. What a learning experience this analyst had : from seeing Eric Dale depart to this moment. There is so much more ..
Spot on. That scene at the end when he earned a spot in the top floor…..you know eventually he ended up on the dark side of the force
@@alrom125 yeah....
I got the impression when he asked if he talked to his son that he was indirectly pointing out to Sam an opportunity to make money from the collapse.
Just shut up
@@alrom125 You can expect that of Sylar and Dark Spock.
Sam never even thought of calling his son. But "Sammy" boy did call his mother, though. That detail leaves plenty of space for speculating about their back stories. Sam kept the dog, the only one who loved him unconditionally. Now he's all alone.
This is a great movie. Great writing, great acting and perfectly paced not a slack moment. Kevin Spacey is a great movie actor. He just gets it, but the rest are just as good. Brilliant.
Jeremy Iron is amazing too.
Spacey is an outstanding Actor. I look forward to his future roles.
Got some news there for ya bub
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@@phillipsandcastle8387Sadly he's getting roles again lately.
He likely will be playing in Summer Stock in Peru !
how good is this film!
Amazing movie
both of them didnt get fired. THey probably the only two that actually safe the whole time.
I think peters bigger concern was having a job to even come to anymore vs being let go bc the fire sale was a last ditch hail Mary play to keep the company from going under even though it still took a critical hit and would still be in the reds for a while due to their reputation being shot now.
It's why they offered all the brokers such huge bonuses if they hit their goals bc like Sam said we know by having you do this we are essentially ending your careers as traders bc you will never have anyone trust you after this.
Peter only works on risk management of that specific asset. If they sell that asset, they have no use for the employees in that department.
1:11 This could have been a hint from Peter to have Sam tell his son to short sell everything
Or to be prepared for his mortgage and outstanding debt payments to skyrocket.
It's a hint, but also could be just be a concern. If the corporation would pay its ex-employees hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour to sit in a room all day, I doubt Sam would dare break the news to his son directly.
@@acash93 He likely did. At the end of the movie Sam's ex tells him his son got hammered but survived. So either his son's firm got lucky or they had a head start.
@@reubenmcmurray4377 only if he had an ARM
I believe at this point, he realize what is gonna happen to common people.
For some reason, I thought this was related to Heroes being taken off the air. 😅
This movie has a ton of great scenes ...this being one of them.
@@l.a.3479 🤐
@@l.a.3479 Edited now. Thanks!
I like that in this movie none of these investment bankers are the stereotypical assholes they're normally portrayed as. They're just normal people who make a lot of money and now have to make some difficult and ruthless decisions.
"You don't have to stand here for me" ... is such an important phrase.
why
@@hereticsshallbecleansed7245he's basically telling Peter that he doesn't have to kiss any of their asses or worry about his job or feel sorry for anyone.
@@jlogan2228Or a passive aggressive way to say I want to be left alone
This scene is masterfully done...weighing on ones deepest thought processes and stripping down to the absolute core. What remains may be more questions...terrifying. Being in sales itself, been through this in 2 separate industries....this move is spot on!!!
damned i wish i had the social skills of peter. he can come up with great things to ask the manager without any issues. i would just freeze and look at my phone.
Talk to your managers isnt wrong or weird. Its just the timing and the topic really. Theyre both outside and not in work time.
Great scene. The calm before the storm is often the most interesting time.
A very underrated movie.
more like overlooked. Those who actually saw it have very high regards for it.
Kevin and Jeremy are masters of their art ❤
DO YOU???? THIS IS IT
this movie reminds me so much of Lehmann Brothers.. 😂
Who's watching in 2023 and wondering if we will experience this for ourselves?!
umm, we already did.
Wow are you that young? lol
Goddamn kevin spacey is such a good actor.
I have that same tie Kevin Spacey is wearing
Fantastic movie. I just never could understand why your risk analyst needed to be there for the selloff after he had convinced them what had already happened. At some point he just became a spectator to the sell off.
Didnt see whole movie but maybe they just wanted him to stay around so he doesnt do anything stupid during this time.
It's a carrot and stick power play. The huge bonus is the carrot. The stick is that he is now not going to be able to backstab anyone without serious blowback, being implicated, thrown under the bus, being blackballed. Those sort of things are why they're afraid of the CEO.
@@eschiedler You didn’t understand the question.
Also wasn't there another analyst that just dropped of in the beggining and went totally missing in a crytical time? Maybe they didnt want the repeat of that.
@@IamKavot Not another analyst. His boss was fired earlier in the day. They brought him back so that he wouldn't talk. The whole disgruntled employee who might go public and say "I told you so". Spock didn't do anything at all once the bosses accepted his conclusions. He played no role and devising a strategy. He wasn't a broker. And he came and went from the building several times. They gave no indication that they were concerned that he would squeal.
Meanwhile his dead dog is in his car truck.
Is it me or is the volume on these videos super low?
Absolutely true
Yeah all of them
It’s the movie making you feel the end of the world is there but without any violence scene.
I always likened it to those two lookouts who saw the iceberg coming as they crewed the titanic. The desperation and ultimate futility.
I honestly enjoy Spacey when he isn’t a cut throat villain in movies.
I've seen this film a couple times and Zachary Quinto's transformation has become more transparent with each viewing. I see now that Quinto's character has been tasked by Jeremy Irons to question Spacey on if he can go through with the fire sale and if he has revealed any of the information. When he says he knows his son, and then "does he know what's about to happen", he is really prying for information for Irons.
I never thought of this scene like that but that’s a good hypothesis. I’m now conflicted on whether the kid was genuine or not.
I don't read this scene or Quinto like that at all.
Another thing I noticed throughout out the movie is Kevin is trying to make his skin thicker. He is dealing with this economical impact, letting go good people and ruining many people's lives.
He has to come terms with all of this quickly so he can save himself, if he doesn't someone else will take his spot, someone who is more ruthless.
He does this so much to the point he can't think beyond his current circumstance like his own son.
Goes to show corporate are people who care just like you and me, but when push comes to shove they have to make a terrible choice, or they end up on the chopping block
1:32 where did his cigarette go?
Eric Dale? oh sorry to interrupt Gentlemen, guess He's not this clip either.
If that’s Tulde flying in, wasn’t the Executive Board meeting in the middle of tge night?
We've seen The Boss' helicopter much earlier in the movie, during the "Not today!" scene with Bettany's character on the roof. This is prolly some board member, who didn't bother to wake up earlier or wasn't deemed mandatory for the main meeting
Funny thing is, helicopters don't land on NYC roofs, not even hospitals in Manhattan.
I always thought it's the feds
@@acaperic9070I don't think they'd waste money on a chopper if all they could do was slow them down, but then again, reckless govt spending...
It's the guys from Mitch and Murray, maybe even Lempkin.
Great acting! But the continuity… this cigarette will burn a hole in his pocket.
Reminder that not one person went to jail for wrecking the entire economy.
Where did his cigarette go?
He prolly threw it to the ground and stepped on it after his last puff.
The firm couldn't have done anything else, the market is done regardless. They didn't cause the crash
Actually, all the firms collectively did cause the crash.
Been there. There's never a charcter like Quinto's; they are all like his little friend crying in the closet. Never a character like Spacey's; they are all like Tuld.
Never a character like Bettany's because those guys don't work finance.
That was deep!
what is a quick fire way to learn finance lingo and immerse myself without feeling intimidated. I have a friend in currency exchange and when they talk to me it sounds like gibberish.
would you say it is likely or unlikely that someone in Tuld's position knows as little as he claims? for instance how he insists Sullivan speak to him like he would a small child or gold retriever. it seems unlikely to me that a billionaire running a company cannot comprehend the math behind the company he is running.
did you ever feel intimidated in that line of work? are there mind games and manipulation that occur within to raise ones status?
@@donut5143
>would you say it is likely or unlikely that someone in Tuld's position knows as little as he claims?
>are there mind games and manipulation...?
you got it lol.
Yeah they probably wouldn’t last long if they spend their time thinking about whether they’re doing the right thing
@@donut5143 It's called - If you can't explain it to me "like a kid", you may not really understand what is going on.
If you can make money away from the stock market, you are doing the right thing .
CROOKED
0:09 what does he say? "I"m not a cheater? " right?
“I don’t much either”
@@jb76489 thx have a good day
Man! I miss Kevin Spacey
Supposed to feel sad for people who at worst end up millionaires?
When the 1% doom the world, this is what it'll look like. That's why we keep coming back - to watch the perfect train wreck.
The big short was way better
Writing is better in this one. Two movies depicting the same crisis in very different ways.
Not even close. It's far more expository, but as far as written and acted, not in the same ballpark.
Jeebus Christmas on a pink-painted bicycle, what a *terrible* f_cking scene! Seriously, is this the movie that everyone's so hot-to-trot about? I wouldn't have passed that dialogue in a tenth-grade filmmaking class, for a start. And that's just for a start. The lighting looks like it's trying to be day-for-night but comes across more like night-for-day, the character dynamic has accomplished what it came there for in the first nine seconds, and that helicopter foley might be the laziest foley I've ever heard, and I've seen Super-8.
Too bad the modern Jacobins ruined Spacey's career.
These people should count their blessings that all that happens is they get fired. They should go to jail.
Their careers are over for the foreseeable future; the older traders being briefed on the fire sale get early retirement but the younger ones will have to find a way to live off that one-off bonus a lonnng time.
Well in that case the retards who bought multiple homes while being leveraged to the tits also need to be in jail along with the retards in the parliament who took the leash off the banks to do whatever the fuck they want.
@@kdpowers and it still isn't the slam dunk either bc even if they get severance pay and the 2.5 mil bonus you have to figure half of it goes to taxes, then you have to put aside several months of housing costs, car payments, family expenses etc and living in and expensive area like new York so you figure even with the bonuses they'd only be able to float by on that for six months, maybe a year of they are lucky.
I concur but you will have to also convict and jail a large swath of society as well. Recall the scene when they drive over the bridge ( czcams.com/video/2f2kGHcdJYU/video.html ). Like or not, Will's indictment of society is factually true. All sorts of analysts, economists (e.g. R. Reich), and politicians have warned us for years on end. And most bad-mouth and ignore them while enjoying a little bit of the spoils and no one votes for them or their position. Until the party ends and they wonder why it happened and cry. Everyone of us is guilty.