Here We Go Again: Damon Lindelof Departs Star Wars Project
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After going into sequel trilogy with no plan at all, with the biggest franchise in the world,......... she deserved to be fired back then. There is no execuse for that. Sure, every movie could turn out to be bad, but to go into sequel trilogy, with our most beloved characters being back without no plan at all?? There is just no second chance for me
Thank you !!!! Her Green lighting the Mando ,andor and Rogue One gave her some rope but it isn’t enough Star Wars is aimless . There is no excuse for an asset as big as Star Wars being so terribly mismanaged.
Agreed. Even if you like the sequels you have to admit that it absolute insanity. How do you announce a new trilogy in the most beloved film franchise ever and not even have an outline for the trilogy?!?
I think both Patty Jenkins and Taika Waititi prove that certain directors need proper restraint and guidance to bring out the best of certain properties
Waititi just shouldn't work on anything that isn't is own original idea.
And Tim Burton with Batman Returns, and Zack Snyder with BvS
@@thebatman8815 honestly Tim Burton doubling down on the wacky gothic fantasy is exactly why I love Batman Returns.
@@Ronfost89 Good idea, the difference in quality between his original films and his franchise work is steep. I recommend his first film, "Boy"
@@Joshcoshbagosh Yeah, I mean it is great in its own bizarre, fanciful, freak show way, but it’s 100% a Tim Burton movie, not a Batman movie. And sure, that might be enough to garner a cult following, but for general audiences, it was so unpalatable and off putting, that WB ended up doing a complete 180, and that’s how we got the Shumacher disasters (which also parallels what happened to the Snyderverse, and the studio interference with Justice League quite nicely). And not only do stunts like that lead to potentially franchise ruining messes, but it’s also just plainly disrespectful to the character. The character who ideally SHOULD be the star of the show, but isn’t, because of the director’s own ego and personal fantasy, that makes them create a film that’s in service to themselves fist and foremost, and not the actual character that the movie claims to be about, or even the audience that’s expecting to see the character they love done justice to.
Rise of Skywalker is the definition of a movie by committee. At least Last Jedi had a creative vision. One might HATE that vision and that's valid. But at least it had a one. Rise might as well have been written by an AI
Giving Kathleen Kennedy credit for BO success of The Force Awakens is like giving two 2's credit for equaling 4.
That film's success was a foregone conclusion because of it's SUPPOSED return of the OG cast.
Spot on
Good grief Campea do you have to preface every single criticism of Kathleen Kennedy with a 5 minute diatribe on how great she is, how Spielberg loved her, how Lucas loved her, how’s she’s the greatest producer ever????? We get it. Just say your critique it’s ok she’s not watching.
Obviously, the rock needs to take over Star Wars
The hierarchy of the force is about to change
John act like Kathleen Kennedy is a crime boss and he can’t speak bad about her because she will hurt him lol
Just to be clear; The Leftovers IS IN FACT one of the best shows ever made... I just want that to be clear
Not liking the leftovers is such a campea take lol
@@FrankRiver2000 SUCH a campea thing to say 🤣🤣 it's weird, all the things I want him to be passionate about and hear his opinions on, he's just like "meh" I'm like Dude how the fuck does the Leftovers not shake you philosophically??? Lol that and his wrong Batman Beyond opinions after not watching the show
@@jarg8 👏👏👏 agreed 1000%
Rest In Peace to Schnepp
Most intelligent people acknowledge Kennedy is a fantastic movie producer. What is confusing is that we are seeing Kathleen having difficulty leading some greatest IPs of all time. Ten years from now there is going to be a great documentary about the troubles of Lucasfilm.
Having difficulty? So many people signed on to work for her. Only to quit. She clearly interferes and won't let the various talents do their thing. Which would have been better than almost everything she touched.
@FeelMyFerret Completely agree. Just because she's a good business woman doesn't mean she should contribute creative ideas. Her leadership was God awful.
Came here looking for Rob’s thoughts…. But it’s just John ranting non stop. 🙄
Force Awakens is the joke that started it all.
It wasn’t even that bad a movie. It did the job to spark interest in a new trilogy. I like it for what it is. The issue was there was no fucking plan afterwards.
@@brycebirkinbine4119 no that was the problem. They knew they could get by just by recreating what was done instead of forging a new direction.
@@jrad410 I mean you are reintroducing a new franchise after a series of critical failures. It makes sense to play safe with interesting concepts, go balls out with the sequel, and tie it all up with the last one the right way. Having a plan is everything. That’s why, up until now, Marvel was successful for a solid 10-12 years.
I still just can't believe Rogue Squadron was cancelled after being officially unveiled with that teaser video and everything. At least this project and Feige's project didn't have names to them and hadn't been unveiled in such a prominent way. It's baffling that they either scrapped a movie far enough into production that it could be revealed the way it was, of that they revealed a movie early enough into production to be cancelled the way they did.
Lucasfilm has been an unmitigated disaster the last few years. I'm left to assume the sale to Disney must have had a clause requiring here to be studio head for 10 years or something like that.
I hadn't even thought of that. Seems highly probable.
Lucas films has been a disaster since the Phantom Menace. The prequels suck, the sequels only has one film people like and most people don’t like the last two. The only highlights of Lucas Films in the last 10 yrs has been half of their TV shows and Rogue One.
Saying KK is behind force awakens success is so willfully ignorant of the place Star Wars was in at that moment in time.
Force awakens was legitimately the biggest alley-oop in Hollywood history. What would have been more impressive is if it failed than that it was successful, and that’s a testament to George, not Kathleen.
George torpedoed the Star Wars franchise with the Prequels
That's a nice sentiment but it's not accurate. TFA did better than George's prequels and better than any George Lucas film. TFA holds the record, not ANH, not ESB, and definitely not the prequels. Its success is definitely related to ANH's success but it's also a testament to the desire for new Star Wars movies and how good the movie itself was. As much as I think RoS was a disaster, TFA was a good setup and I really wish JJ had done the whole trilogy from the beginning as it would've worked out better (no Palpatine resurrection thing as JJ would've kept Snoke alive no doubt).
@@MrBrock314 no I loved TFA too, but the promise of getting Luke Han and leia back together again is what ppl came to the theaters to see, and that is because of George not Kathleen.
SW is a clown show, DC is a clown show and now Marvel is becoming a clown show.
I can’t give ANYONE props for the force awakens being the hit that it was. It was the first Star Wars to come out since revenge of the Sith and the first Star Wars film to follow the original trilogy. You could have hired jar jar binks to oversee that film and it would have DESTROYED records just because it’s Star Wars. The real talent would be following it up with something equally well received and we all know how that story goes…
I’m glad Jon finally pointed out the difference between being a great producer does not mean you necessarily are going to be great at the creative direction of an entire franchise. I get tired of every time this is brought up by C in the comment section “why does Jon keep telling her she’s a good producer when clearly she’s not.” no she’s an awesome producer but a producers job has nothing to do with the creative side. Michael Jordan is the best basketball player that ever lived, but there’s a reason why he never won a World Series in baseball. He just wasn’t a good baseball player.
And I don’t think she’s a terrible person, and there are some fans that like are really too obsessed in are psychopaths and who need a therapist and to desperately get laid because they’re the ones online wishing horrible things would happen to her in her personal life. It’s fine to say she’s a decent human being, but she’s just not good at her job. Heading up the Star Wars franchise.
I feel about the same way Jon does. When Lucasfilm first started putting out projects under Disney, they were hitting home runs. The Force Awakens, Rogue One, Star Wars Rebels, The Mandalorian…… hell I remember and I’m someone who loves the old EU books, and I still have some of them, but I remember loving some of the new novels that were coming out. But at this point Jones right it’s time for her to go and for the sake of Star Wars, I don’t want to sound like a dick but the sooner the better. They need to find someone with thick skin to deal with the army of 40 and 50 year old virgins, who are going to cry from now until the the day that they die, even even if the next five Star Wars movies are the greatest movies in the history of Cinema. They will still be crying about it, but find someone that has a brilliant, creative mind, that knows in love Star Wars, and again has some very thick skin and get this back on track. I’m sure Kathleen Kennedy will be fine. She’s made more money to this point than any five of us will see you in a lifetime. But yeah, you can’t have this mini screw ups and still be the one in charge over there.
John look at the common denominator here
Jon's defense of these overrated Hollywood nepo babies is getting old
3 things certain..death, taxes…and Star Wars movies post-TROS not seeing the light of day
RIP Schnepp
Amen
Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX, Josh Trank's Boba Fett, Lord and Miller's Han Solo, D&D's trilogy...
Lindelofs star wars, Ryan Johnsons trilogy, Kevin Feiges movie, Taika Waiti (let's be real, it ain't happening) and Patty Jenkins rogue squadron movie. The list goes on, hell, even rogue one was reshot to add more comedy and brightness and kenobi was scraped and rewrote because apparently a show about a ptsd war veteran living under the reign of space nazis coming against his cyborg, half burned former best friend turned genocidal maniac shouldn't be dark and should be uplifting
Lucasfilm has turned into such an effing joke at this point
Fire Kennedy. This is getting ridiculous. I'm starting to think this is all on purpose.
@@brucecrawford_17 lol what does her being a woman have anything to do with what’s happening. Just cuz you can’t get a date doesn’t mean all women are bad. She sucks at her job. Nothing to do with her gender dummy
Y’all need to chill lmao.
@Bruce Crawford did u even watch John's videos? He's told us many times she's on her way out, so your comment is just dumb
What could that reason possibly be???
@@PhantomLAM We've been chilling for 4 years now.
You’re not being negative, you’re just waking up to what people have noticed for years. She’s run this franchise into the ground.
I will give Kennedy this... She is a producer on many movies I will love until my dying day. Also, she has had some wins, from a certain point of view. The Force Awakens made a lot of money, true. However, its value as a part of the Star Wars mythos is not decided in a vacuum. It would be decided by the story and execution of what would follow. Yes, she decided to go with Favreau's pitch for the Mandalorian, even partnered him up with Filoni... but it is their work that made the Mandalorian a success. There are even accounts that she was an active component in the Book of Boba Fett crapshow. Add to all this... the cancelations and her inability to get on the same page with those she hires. I understand not wanting to be overly negative but, at some point, one has to be realistic. I had hoped for better, as she was chosen by Lucas, but she was obviously not the person to run Star Wars. No amount of spin is going to change that.
Boba Fett was made by Jon Favreau. You can't give him credit for Mandalorian and not for Boba Fett. And it's extremely hypocritical to give KK credit for Boba Fett and not for Mandalorian as she has the EXACT same role on both.
Fire her already. And people stop defending this. She has done a HORRIBLE job in star wars
Seriously, people get fired from Burger King for a fraction of the bullshit she’s pulled.
thank you for not having an ad in the middle of the vids anymore
Cool Andor sweatshirt!
Let's not forget, Disney purchased Power Rangers from Saban at its height. Wouldn't bring on the any of the people involved or passionate about the lore/story, just thinking of the IP and merchandising profits and then ended up selling it back to Saban for less than they bough it for. Without Pixar, Disney would not be able to be at the spot there are right now to have clout. They would have been done.
A couple of big wins? I think 1 big win with Force Awakens (nothing to do with KK though movie was going to make money cause its name) 1 ok movie with Rogue One and one good season of Mandalorian, everything else she did was terrible. John doesn't seem to get that your past work means nothing in the movie world, you are only as good as your last project.
Solo wasn't that bad
"(nothing to do with KK though movie was going to make money cause its name)" If that were true (it isn't) then BATMAN VS SUPERMAN would have made $2 Billion dollars.
@@johncampea All due respect, Batman V Superman was a DC property, and DC on the movie front wasn’t what the Star Wars IP was at that time for the entertainment industry. One just needs to take a look at the box office afterwards, by the time Rise of Skywalker came out, it had been cut in half. JJ Abrams played it safe, set up some interesting mysteries, and they were never paid off. KK’s achievement has been to damage the Star Wars brand, seemingly beyond repair. It has been delegated to a streaming service’s category, and the numbers are on a steady decline.
@@johncampea the first star wars movie out the gate was always gonna make big money. Come on john, you know its true
It’s crazy it’s been 4 years and it’s only been Star Wars TV shows
dude whats happening with Disney lmaooo im seeing both Marvel and Star Wars news lately like this lol
Bob Iger is fixing Bob Chapek's mistakes.
Pretty much more cancelled movies than episodes of star wars.
John finally coming to the realization that just about every person has been saying.
There's nobody better at playing corporate politics than Kennedy. She's hard to fire despite aforementioned.
KK causes a majority of the smoke you're referring to John. Poor hiring practices, lack of narrative vision, and let's be honest a worldview that doesn't lend to storytelling over messaging. You replace her with someone who knows and loves ALL of the lore, is interested in telling stories about the human condition, someone who can attract and retain experienced talented writers. That's how you fix the mess that is Star Wars.
I still contend that Rogue One and The Mandalorian succeeded despite KK, not because of her.
It would be great for you to make an infographic of all of the Star Wars announcements and departures along with their timing. That would be really interesting to see everything on a timeline while Kathleen Kennedy has been the President (Benioff & Weiss, Josh Trank, Lord & Miller, Jenkins, Lindelof, etc.)
That would be Dan Merrell's forte.
It's really not that complicated. Knights of old republic is where the fans taste have gone, but Disney still thinks their making 80s films with modern-day PC values.
Remember when she told George - face to face - that she would take great care with SW lore and the cherished legacy characters. Yeah so do I. Then she went about dismantling it all.
He hasn't helped lol
George was no saint either. He gave us Jar Jar Binks. :)
This is great news! The last thing SW needs right now is someone from the same storytelling school as JJ Abrams.
Oh, and the success of TFA and R1 is entirely attributable to them closely tying into the OT, and the excitement that generates - nothing to do with KK. By the time TLJ came around the game was up and we all knew we were dealing with grifters.
What Star Wars need is just good stories for adults, rogue one was a great film and was the on,y spin off movie I liked and I’m not a even a Star Wars fan. Rogue one was good cause it was dark and wasn’t afraid to be different, it didn’t focus on nostalgia it just told a good story about the war itself, stop trying to make shows and tv fans pleasing the fans just make a good fuckin story and movie and people will appreciate them in the long run and will enjoy the product more
I'm comfortable saying that if I ever direct a movie, I would kill to have KK produce it. I also have no problem saying she shouldn't be anywhere near Star Wars without George.
Does it matter if it wasn’t officially announced? The Lindeloff thing was a leak… Disney never announced he was doing a film. So if it doesn’t work out then it doesn’t matter right? Surely that happens all the time
What the heck in going on!!!??? We just want Star Wars movies again!! Come on!!
I’m sorry but at this point Kennedy needs to go. That’s now what, 4 or 5 movies in early development that have now fallen apart in pre-production.
Rogue Squadron
Damon Lindelof’s movie
Kevin Feige’s movie
Benioff & Weiss movie
Rian Johnson’s trilogy is also pretty much dead as much as he says it isn’t.
They need to bring in someone else to try to get the studio back in order. Because right now it’s a mess.
I never forgave the dude for Lost.
To quote the words of a much wiser and smarter man than I could ever hope to be: "Whoa, whoa, wait a second. You mean Lindelof is out at Star Wars? I am shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked."
These “awards” that Lindellof has won, and that Patty Jenkins won with Charlize Theron are 100% irrelevant when you’re trying to find someone to make a great Star Wars flick. How many Oscar’s did Empire win (outside of technical achievements)?
Man imagine if we actually got a great, well thought out sequel trilogy? The possibilities were endless and they gave us the most basic disneyfied BS. Star Wars has all the possibility in the world and what have they given us? a pretty decent movie and series with Rogue One and Mando and then 1 great show with Andor. Everything else in my opinion has ranged from bad to medicore.They’ve had Star Wars for over 10 years and it’s been such a mess. Never have I been more disappointed in any film/tv show then I have been with Star Wars. Should’ve just been George’s 6 movie saga (which I know has flaws) and leave it at that. Every franchise wanted to be Star Wars, and now they’re just like every other franchise.
Do I think she " hates starwars" of course not. But yeah she may be a great producer but she was not well suited to her current role.
I count Kathleen Kennedy's only true win as head of Lucasfilm to be Rogue One. And I think that was just pure luck.
I think the The Force Awakens was destined to be huge, no matter what was put on screen. It had been 10 years since any live action Star Wars property was attempted. People were jonesing for it. It could have had the Jedi wannabe have been Filipe the Sentient Dancing Mic and it would have made huge box office.
Everything afterwards was just a part of a spiral down as good will toward the franchise was eroded, with Rogue One being the one bright spot in the theatrical window.
I mean the mandalorian should be considered a success as well
@@Sacha_8976 Maybe. I can't speak for anything on streaming. I gave up a SW before any of that stuff came out.
@@Sacha_8976 Salty SW fans won't consider that a win for Kennedy. They're going to say it was all Favreau and Filoni mind you those same fans made up the rumor that KK and Favreau/Filoni were in Lucasfilms civil war. I would say Andor was a success as well
I mean Mando is what it is *because* of Dave & John.
Andor critically did well, however commercially.👍👎👍👎👍
Disney has squandered every franchise they have. This is what happens when you make assembly line films. Rogue One and Andor are the only properties from star wars that feel like they came from a true visionary. I like the Mandalorian, but it is a very "adventure of the week" program with no big scope or vision.
Relax John, according to the domestic numbers you are in the majority when it comes to the Force Awakens. I admit I loved it too when it first came out and saw it multiple times at the cinema. However the two movies after have ruined the feeling of joy I used to get watching it and the excitement of where the future episodes might take me. Man, I wish I could get that feeling back.
Yeah that’s the reason I haven’t revisited TFA after Rise. I was even a fan of Last Jedi because I thought something interesting would come from 9. But it was a reactionary mess.
Celebration this year is going to be really awkward. Kathy and the lack of any movie plan is the elephant in the room.
Honestly, I'm completely fine with none of these projects coming to light. They shouldn't be making Star Wars films for the sake of making Star Wars films. Call me cynical, but Star Wars was a story that started in '77 and ended in '83. It doesn't *need* more. It's nice to get new ones, but not necessary. New film ideas should be nurtured and thought about carefully and should be made when the story is absolutely ready and must be told.
Less truly is more. Lucasfilm shouldn't have announced all the projects they did (like Rogue Squadron), it looks bad on their end. But honestly, they should be more conservative when it comes to making Star Wars branded films. As a studio, they should really focus on new ideas. Not just Star Wars. It's a shame Lucasfilm's Children of Blood and Bone adaptation got canned. At least that would have been something new and original.
Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars and don't mind there being new movies, but trying to force films to happen is a bad idea. Let a film come when its ready is what I'm trying to say. Star Wars is not some buffet that's open 24/7, its an experience that comes and goes.
It's a business property - when you have millions of fans who want a movie - you're going to get one, even if it's not great. There's too much potential money to be made. And that will always fuel more movies.
@@MrBrock314 Which is my dilemma I suppose. I know I'm being idealistic, but I really want Star Wars to do well and I don't want them rushing anything. There's some quote about video games that goes like "a rushed game is forever imperfect, but a delayed game can be improved" (something along those lines at least)
I miss watching star wars films.. hoping they get back on the right track soon.
Man this is a lot to people now;
Gareth Edwards on Rogue One - He was willing to play ball with what happened there, but let’s call it for what it is… Tony Gilroy directed most of that movie (which tbh was for the best given how well that turned out)
Lord + Miller on Solo - Fired with two weeks before the production wrapped with Ron Howard taking over (which btw, I don’t blame Ron Howard for any of how that turned out, he was basically hired so Lawrence Kasdan can tell him shoot it “that way”)
Colin Trevorrow - Fired from Episode IX with JJ Abrams taking over (which I was fine with coz if those Jurassic World movies taught me anything, Colin Trevorrow is not a good filmmaker)
Since then we’ve had Patty Jenkins, the Game Of Thrones duo, Kevin Fiege (which was for the best given what’s happening over at Marvel), now Damon Lindeloff… God damn that’s a lot of talent coming & going. We’ll see how that Taika Waititi one turns out
Marvel is on the same path as Star Wars. Disney is in serious trouble as a company.
From 2015 to 2019 Disney has grossed $29 Billion dollars from Marvel Movies. Disney isn't going anywhere! You guys keep blindly following social media propaganda, like Disney is suddenly going to go broke and disappear. The ever underestimate the "house of Mouse" I clearly remember when everyone was saying "Superhero" movies will fail. Now 18 years later, the average Marvel movie still gross $600 million at the box office. The lowest grossing MCU movie was 2008 Incredible Hulk at $270 million (that was 14 years ago) before Kevin Feige took over.
Star Wars stuff just needs to stop. Fans need to let it go.
@@alvinjohnson2402 the only thing keeping Disney alive at the moment is Marvel and even that is starting to slightly decline as last year Thor love and Thunder underperformed cause its budget is 250 million and needed 800 to break even and with Black Panther 2 which broke even but didn't make as much profit as the first one.
The superhero genre is starting to decline starting now.
@@vineetdesai6396 Bro, you realize that Hollywood uses a very skewed, bogus accounting ledger to stay in the "red" for a movie. Now use common sense and ask yourself WHY does it take $800 miilion to break even from a $250 million budget. I interned at CBS studios I know how ledgers are put together for taxes, tax credits, salaries, expenses and budgets for studios. Studios use this standard accounting to manipulate salaries for actors and to control the market similar to a "salary cap". Many movie star actors contracts have backend agreements (part of ticket sales, streaming and merchandise sales) Not including "sponsors millions" from streaming sites.
Case in point, Marvel filmed 2 movies together, back to back, at the same location, to save on budget expenditures (Shang-Chi and Dr. Strange ) They hire 20 FX studios as well as their in-house fx crew using "Green rooms" to flesh out big locations (you really think they filmed those scenes in the Himalayas?). BTW, many fx studios have to low-ball bid each other to get that Shang-chi contract which then they work overtime, burn out their graphic artists, which in turn they eventually lose money. I've witness this time and time again. (the purple isn't purple enough or the shading is quite right so they have to redo it.) Superhero genre is not waning. They will ALWAYS break over $600 million at the box office. The only reason ALL MOVIES are down in theatrical sales are because "Russia and China" closed off their markets to the US (War in Ukraine, and China's anger at our government for the verbal attacks) Those 2 countries alone help push American movies sales into the $billions) James Cameron's Avator was allowed release in China, wherein Wakanda forever was allowed to run. Avator hit $2 billion and Wakanda grossed $880 million without China's market. In a nutshell, animation and superhero movies will be around forever (John Wick is an action (super)" hero" movie) The STORY just have to be good like any other movie.
Campea teaches a masterclass on overpraise, shilling and sneaking in an occasional objective comment or 2 with this clip.
Remember Damon was the same guy who wrote both Prometheus and watchmen 2019. I personally enjoy both but they are controversial projects. And for him to walk away because he was afraid to get it wrong says a lot about the state of Lucasfilm.
Giving credit to WB, I think the hiring of a tandem to run operations for a studio with that many properties has many up sides. So with that thought process in mind, I can see Favreau joining forces with someone to right the ship.
Kennedy is such a tough person to mention without just sounding like a troll. I'm with you in acknowledging her successes and what she was trying to accomplish with bringing more female voices into the fold. The problem is that she failed to balance inclusion with results. Which in the end... is the worst thing for real inclusion. I do not want to use "woke" as an excuse, she failed as a leader to create good male and female lead stories and characters. She also did not seem to understand the importance of the lore to old fans of the franchise.
The main and first person “fired” should have raised far more alarm bells than it did!that Kathleen Kennedy decided to jettison Georg Lucas story ideas for the sequel trilogy in favour of a director who just went and remade George’s first Star Wars film sun up her whole tenure. Because if George’s story ideas aren’t good enough then there is no point.
I am not even excited about announcements anymore about Star Wars. They announce stuff all the time and it does not stick or people walk. That said, I would love to hear about more Solo films.
Please give me a break about Kathy Kennedy she’s been a nightmare with talent and furthering Star Wars. They need to bin her and elevate Dave and John they get it
Watching John getting SO impassioned about it, I'm sitting here thinking, "I'd rather let it rest." Star Wars has lost its specialness, and Disney/Lucasfilm are gun shy about what should come next.
Disney killed Star Wars.
I think on "paper" Speilberg may have been exaggerating... or just giving someone a good reference, so they become someone else's problem....
the chill force is big in this one
The Force Awakens is the most unimaginative Star Wars movie of all time. The premise of the movie kills everything they achieved in the original trilogy, I'm still processing how soo many people have eaten that xD
Any time I hear "recency bias" I'm reminded of how I loved The Force Awakens the first time I saw it. Then I liked it the second time. The third time (all three times in the theater) I walked out immensely disappointed. How can anyone defend such a shameless rehash of the original trilogy?
Absurd. Disney deserves every bit of failure they are enduring with the current regime at Lucasfilm. They could stop this and right the ship, but ego is a powerful thing.
John, how about you speak to some of your contacts to find out why this happens? Because right now it does not happen with all of the projects. Is she really dictating plot?
It truly makes no sense. There are books and books of Star Wars lore that they could had choose from but they decided to wing it and make it up as they go along.
They've been saying KK is on her way out since the last jedi
Who is they?
They need to 1) fire Jar Jar Kennedy 2) remake ep 7, 8 & 9
It only took ten years for Star Wars to become a dead franchise. They need to fire the woman, destroy the sequels , wipe out the “story group”
That project being scrapped might be an indicator that she's on her way out along with pretty much everything that wasn't too advanced to shut down. I'd say good riddance but she left an indelible stench on the franchise.... I'll never watch anything sequel related and many others share that grudge.... wich is slowly being replace by apathy, the true franchise killer.
But.... The force is female!!
Saw it comin the moment I saw the teaser for force awakens. Force awakens is one of the laziest blockbusters ever made. Was gonna make bank almost no matter what
Only in usa
I’m as diehard as they come. I still make an effort to read all of the books and comics that continue to be released. But I won’t believe in the release of any future Star Wars film until I’m, at the very least, shown a trailer.
Lucasfilm just needs to stop, take a deep breath, and think for a long time about their new movie saga. They’re finally in a position where the Skywalker saga is over, they have full creative reins on the where we go next in this Galaxy. They should take their time, consider multiple different ideas and stories from different writers, and plan out a full trilogy in advance. They should also be thinking about how they can push the boundaries of VFX, just like the original trilogy did.
While I'm GLAD his Star Wars Project is CANNED.. I'm Also IMPRESSED that Lindelof had the Fortitude of Character to Recognize that He Wasn't a Good FIT Or that he would RATHER be a Fan and Remain a Fan as compared to Making it, possibly screwing things up Worse as Management is Incompetent and Incompatible with what the Brand NEEDS only Exacerbating the Negative Aspects inherent.
He's a MATURE and Logical Guy.
Honestly EARNED Brownie Points from me .
the whole rise and fall of the first order happened so fast it barely felt like they were a thing. After the destruction of star killer base i didn't know the first order was in a position to take over. after the defeat of palpatine's fleet i didn't know the first order was gone. It felt like the first order rose and fell over the course of a weekend. If you had gone on a disney cruise you could have missed the entire rise and fall.
What was Lindelof's role supposed to be with this film? The rumor was he submitted his draft of the script before he left? Maybe he was only asked to do that? Its not uncommon for writers to turn in their draft of the script and then leave and have others work on that.
He was the director I believe
@@PopCulturedShwa No his job was purely that of a writer. Lindelof is not a director, Obaid-Chinoy was and remains the director
@@MrMajopa22 U right
I feel like this is much to do about nothing. This news doesn’t move the needle for me. I was told by my dad before I went to vegas the first time you don’t get mad about money lost that you never had. We have no idea how far this project was into production if at all. It never existed, how could we lose it?
Regarding the revolving door of writers and directors and such, maybe it's a situation where these folks, with such great talent and coming to the table with so much prestige to their resumes, just want to do their own thing and call be able to call it Star Wars? Perhaps they're simply so independently minded, that their thing, whatever it is, is just not what the Lucas bosses are looking for. Maybe Kennedy and others are like hey, we need you to this. But then they're like hey, sounds cool, but my idea is better lol. And Kennedy is like, I'm sure you have great ideas and I want to hear them, but at the end of the day, I'm the one hiring you...remember? lolol
Seriously. What the fuck is going on? These creators are dropping out by the dozens it seems and no theatrical productions are on the track.
How are they being all cautious now with original films but they were all fly by night with making a trilogy?
I'm not shocked. I'm disappointed because I thought this one was a done deal, but then KK scraped a movie after it was completely filmed and had it redone. I don't know how they salvage this unless her replacement is already there working.
It’s called the Walk of Fame, right on Hollywood Blv.
I suppose we should take it as “progress” that at least this project was never officially announced 🤷♂️😅🤦♂️😬🥴😵💫😢
Part of the agreement to sell star wars to Disney was to have Katherine Kennedy be the boss. So I think they can't fire her because of her contact.
Hopefully Bob Iger can replace Kennedy with someone more competent.
I dropped a turd earlier. He can have that. It's more competent than KK.
got a feeling damon is gonna get picked up by DC
Don’t forget the loss of fans and the missed merchandise opportunities that go with failure after failure after failure.
I mean I’ve certainly distanced myself from SW. Haven’t bout merch of any kind for nearly 3yrs now.
If I deduct my Disney+ subscription from what I’d have spent on merch this year I’ll have saved (or probably just spent elsewhere) about $2300.
And I’m just one guy!
I actually hope that the reason is because her successor is coming in. I just don’t know if it will make a difference in rekindling interest.
John , it's like a NFL team that hires a good coach who is fumbling with his team. You might be a talented coach but... "What have done for me lately?"
If Kathleen is on a losing streak, a decision needs to be made sooner. Money, and fan support is on the line.
So many cancellations I have lost track. Honest question. With respect to upcoming Star Wars films - what is actually confirmed and happening? Do we know any?
The new president should be Dave Filoni if he wants to. He has been there so long that he deserves the job more than anyone. In addition he really understands Star Wars completely unlike Favreau.
Of course
My biggest problem is not only how many times but talent just doesn’t work out, but she doesn’t give a crap about Star Wars or the fans. And that’s a big problem. I’ll never forget she said something to the tune of “I don’t owe them anything” talking about the male fan base.
Excuse me? We fans are the reason Star Wars is so successful.
And then under her one of the higher up literally and publicly made fun of a Star Wars CZcamsr when he cried calling him a cry baby. And that person was not fired. Like really?
And that was just further proof that she doesn’t care about the fans.
Lindelof did the watchmen show, which I thought was a great follow up to the movie and he quit after 1 season with HBO. Damon has a bad history of leaving projects.
What is going on at Lucasfilm? At this point it feels like there has to be some change in management over there just so that they can actually get some creator’s vision finally going