Floyd Landis on Lance Armstrong | Maybe doping should just be legal - nothing changed... | OTB AM
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 2. 06. 2020
- Floyd Landis joined OTB AM this morning to reflect on ESPN's two part Lance 30 for 30 documentary which dove back into the Texans career, downfall and legacy.
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Youâre the man Floyd Landis â€ïž
I remember seeing Floyd win the Tour and being in the edge of my seat, cheering him in. While I was extremely disappointed to learn he doped, I canât help but to like the guy. Iâm thankful he ultimately opened our eyes to Lance and the world of doping in Cycling. Great interview!
Landis comes across as a nice guy. Gives Lance credit for being a class athlete too. He has such an interesting backstory to how he even arrived in cyclings elite.. Kudos to him too for standing up to a Bully đ
I have met him. He is both hilarious and extremely intelligent. He comes across as the 'common man' but he has a good head on his shoulders.
i think he's naive though. There are obviously more advanced drugs than epo now that aren't being detected. And why does it matter when froome can tell the UCI he just up and decided one day to take 20 puffs of his asthma inhaler when he had never done that before or since and they believe him. Its the armstrong cortisol coverup all over again.
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Wow, I wish all the ex-professional cyclists would speak this openly about the sport and give everyone a better understanding of what went on probably still does. Thank you Floyd.
This isnât about fixing WADA or even cycling. Sport, as a whole, whether itâs football, tennis, golf, is culpable. And we, as the fans, pay the big bucks to see these people do superhuman feats while propping them up as cultural heroâs. There is huge incentive to be great for the athletes and the companies that surround them. Itâs a machine.
Cycling isnât broken. The only problem with pro cyclists is that the they arenât of enough drugs.
Totally agree John, thatâs what got us to this point. We want faster times, stronger and fitter athletes yet theyâre supposed to be clean? You get times being smashed that were hold by known dopers! What do people expect when their favourite athlete gets popped? Itâs a sad realisation but itâs crystal clear.
I don't know. I pay to watch competitive races, not superhuman ones.
Floyd seems like a good dude.
Just as bad as Lance and only came clean out of self interest.
you have been sucked in by a narssisistic person , hes a cheat
I understand doping, but he wrote a whole about his innocence.....that was unconscionable for me.
@@mbucdcry a river fvccin everyone was doped
Floyd has established himself as a smart, pensive guy who is really raising most of the best points in the whole doping conversation.
hes a cheat and you have been sucked in
The World needs more Floyd
Lots more Floyd!
I love when how impressed he was that Lance can stay so mad for so long. His retort, I couldnât stay mad that long.
Great content. Kind regards from Bonnie Scotland đŽó §ó ąó łó Łó Žó ż
Loved watching Floyd win, he's still the winner in my mind.
Floyd did one of the best stages of all time.
Imagine that rush, must feel good to be super human
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@@martinhoppe9511 No doubt, THE greatest stage ever.
Its so fun to see all of you praise the same mistakes that lance did, but with lance its just hate, why? đ€Ł this man, floyd, its one more dope winner, just like lance, and they both deserve respect . Today lance is a great and honest guy, the diference is that he won so much more than this guys so everybody is with anger and wish to be lance but prefer to hate himđ€Łđ€Ł
I'd be interested in hearing Floyd chat more about his career apart from the doping scandals. I know the hip pain was a factor and may have shortened his career anyway. One thing I noticed from the few videos available featuring Floyd was that he appeared to be a very strong time trialer. That's rarely, if ever, mentioned. He seemed much more comfortable on the aero bars, dialed in and consistent, compared with most of his competition from that era.
It would also be interesting to hear him talk about the support role he played, the tactics, etc. Not so much in terms of dealing with Armstrong's dominant personality, but the overall role of the super domestique. He always seemed like the most unlikely of TdF winners, mostly because he'd played the support role so thoroughly for so long, rarely ever getting much attention.
I don't know why but I thought they were grooming him to take over when Lance was done when floyd was on us postal. Because Lance was becoming such a big celebrity that you'd figure he wasn't going to have a 12-15 year run. He was going to retire in his prime.
Long live Floyd Landis !
WINNER Le Tour 2006 FOREVER
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@@WELLBRAN 1990 Greg LeMond - LAST CLEAN TOUR WINNER
1991-1995 Miguel Indurain doped
1996 Bjarne Riis doped
1997 Jan Ullrich doped
1998 Marco Pantani doped
1999-2005 We know these years but the other podium places went to Alex ZĂŒlle, Fernando Escartin, Joseba Beloki, Raimondas Rumsas, Alexandre Vinokourov, Andreas Klöden and Ivan Basso and all either were caught doping, were on teams with systematic doping or connected to known doping doctors.
2006 Landis won. I personally heard him laugh when asked how he felt about Ăscar Pereiro being the 'winner'. Landis replied 'Its hilarious, we were on the same team the year before and his drug dealer was my drug dealer.'
NO, this is not a doping endorsement, just the reality that in that era (post LeMond) there were no clean riders anywhere near the podium.
I hope Lemond was clean.
@@craigdonovan4277 OK, care to offer any evidence or are you just going to make an unsupported statement and leave it at that?
@@jamessrq have you got evidence he was clean? I donât have a time machine and testing wasnât advanced back then absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Thanks for the upload.
Love listening to Floyd.
Floyd am I missing something? I was into cycling big time watched all the Pro Tours from Greg L till now. And I always knew you guys were doping. There was no way a pro rider could produce the level of watts you guys did up those long climbs without doping.
Greg Lamond pointed that out to those of us that are trained in physiology. And of course 97% of all Pro tour riders were doping back then. I would bet at least 50% are still doping. Doping or not Floyd your break away ride back in 2006, stage 17 was the single Greatest ride by any pro tour rider in history! Those pros trying to catch you that day were all taged for Doping. So F' them all. you were the best on that day. I'm older now but still enjoy cycling. I think we would all like to see a round table of an honest truthful doping discussion with: Lance, Tyler, Bruyneel, Hincapie, Andreu, Leipheimer, Hampsten, Vande Velde, You, and maybe Bob Roll for some historical content. No holds barred! get it all out there. Might be good for the young riders coming up. Thanks for memories Floyd!
hampsten was clean.
@@uberkloden Not!
Landis was busted for testosterone doping after that day. Most of them were usually just using blood doping because that's almost impossible to track. Landis took a huge risk by adding in testosterone to make up his deficit in the GC and he got busted.
That will never happen as there is still many fingers to point. My guess, is everyone knew, as far back as the sponsors. It would of been "success" is not an option. A discussion like this would widen the net that had already been thrown and many are big companies. I think Lance understands this, why he limits what he says, it will only start more legal action and pain for everyone. Remember what Tyler said, "no one likes to hear the whole truth!"
Fred Taylor dreaming ?
Itâs an easy thing to do. âChoosingâ to do drugs. Youâve dedicated your whole life to this sport and itâs your only way to make a good living. Itâs almost not a choice. Itâs either continue on the path or start over with your life in your mid/late 20s.
Thank you for this
As an American cycling fan, my "full stop" moment was how Festina wasn't highlighted as much as maybe it should have been. Have you guys talked with Fogel, the Icarus film guy ? That's an unbelievable story. Just came across you guys. Subscribed !
Great suggestion. Icarus was one of the finest documentaries I have seen in years.
Interesting at 17:10 when Floyd was about to give some interesting info about JV, interviewer shifted the conversation....
Yes, SO annoying when interviewers do that!
It is before 17:10. you gotta write 17:00. Learn!
If you listen closely you can tell the audio was edited there. They intentionally removed what Floyd said. Likely the accusations Floyd made were big enough that the legal team advised removing it to avoid slander charges.
Always enjoy interviews with Floyd, he is open, reflective, humble, and at peace with his life after cycling. As for Lance, i think he is using this series as part of a marketing and Public Relations tactic to get his lifetime ban lifted so he can become the Head of UCI.
LOL
nuff respect mr landis... i realize you have paid your dues, and that indeed there is no redemption... Thanks for keeping it real. its good to see you are healthy and happy. Ride on!
I hope Floyd enjoys a bicycle ride now and then. Thanks for uploading.
He does - czcams.com/video/0I-YsVzh6rY/video.html
Thanks great video & interview. I can understand why Floyd did what he did at all levels. And how more recent cases were not pursued as left me feeling very cynical. And your right somehow LA has a persona where you can actually start to feel sorry for him. Still not brave enough to rise his head in the UK though.
Some people think LA used mechanical doping, also.
Floyd is amazingly in touch with motivations of people.........and he seems to have moved on and is looking back on things with. a reasonable sense of reality. I met Floyd twice......and he seemed like a decent person, even considering his serious misdeeds as a cyclist.
As for Armstrongâs emotional reaction the Ulrichâs path, I think Armstrong feels guilty because he kept much of his wealth and has wormed his way back into the zeitgeist. Armstrong is happy he didnât suffer Ulrichâs fate.
@@sachacek Ullrich has suffered deep emotional scars. He has also had some substance and person life issues. One thing I will give Lance credit for was that Lance flew to Germany to see Jan during his darkest time.
@@jamessrq Yeah, shame Jan Ullrich has had so many personal issues after cycling. I understand that rich successful people have problems too just like the rest of us, but with Ullrich it kinda surprises me, he's been a German hero for many years, he also won the 1997 Tour de France, and I just looked, his net worth is $20 Million, you would think he would be happy and content with his life. Not too many cyclists can say that they are worth $20 Million, and a winner of the Tour de France lol.
@@justinexplainseverything1554 I will admit that my own observations are rather subjective but I think it was actually the 2006 Tour that pushed Kaiser Jan over the edge. Ullrich had banked a huge amount of blood in Madrid and then was removed from the Tour before it started for being part of the Puerto investigation. There is a picture of him as he left the building where the disqualification was announced. The look on his face is unforgettable. Thousands of hours, pain, sweat and money all for no shot at redemption in the Tour. Naturally, you are right about the best conclusion is to say 'I have twenty million reasons to be grateful' but in that situation the advice is easier to give than to follow.
You canât cure the whole sport by blaming one person.
In the public sphere, doping is lance armstrong, nothing else. Ask the general public about balco or wada and theyâll look at you like youâre speaking a foreign language.
So to, they trash Lance here and yes he may have a big ego, you need that at the top, he still won 7 tours, even with doping, the odds are against you. There has been so many dopers in so many sports. But they only relate doping to cycling and Lance. I do feel he got the finger pointed a little to hard. Remember a lot of big companies made a lot of money of his doping back!
Spot on Waynos, its easier to point at one person than to an entire sport and when ever I hear a non cyclist mention LA I say " take his 7 shirts away and give them to the two guys that stood beside him on the podium! Unless of course they themselves were caught at a later time". The shirts woild be unclaimed.
Wanted to hear his .02 on JV...
He was the endocrinologist...
And they were quick to cover for him
Now THAT is an excellent point, thanks.
The biggest part I don't believe is LA saying he wouldn't change a thing, because he wouldn't be where he is now.
THe best quote in the 30 for 30 episode - "Its like a bank robber being mad at you for making him give the money back".
Floyd Landis must never have gone through a divorce or any relationship thinking nobody can stay angry this long đđđđ€Ł
Wrong. He divorced in the wake of the 2006 disqualification and subsequent ban.
FLOYD!!! Is tha man!!!
The answer is right before you all: 50 per cent hematocrit was already legal for all the 80s-90s thatâs the UCI answer required⊠over 50? Home you go. End of, but it becomes available publicly too, thatâs the catch.
nice podcast. but if i can make a suggestion. the guest is probably the most important person in the video and talking to most. give him all the screen when he talks rather than a small box.
Do you think ? Since they have been doing this for 30 years, even way before Lance. Give this a try. Ride 100 miles and day for 21 days as hard as you can. Try to figure what might help you do this ?
The recovery is everything when riding day after day.
No one seems to ever mention how LA got in touch with Ferrari?
Bring Floyd to Dublin to speak
So sad for Floyd, only reason call for interview is to talk about lance
The Titan Contracting Company he got a few million out of this deal, not so bad for him
he's in the series that theyre talking about
The whole interview is about the Doco titled âLanceââŠ
Does anyone know has this can be watched in Australia...any assistance would be greatly appreciated
Australia is third world so does not have the internet. Shame.
Hi,
I wrote the WADAwatch blog, from 2006 to 2010.
Remember the prime function of WADA is to prevent major Sponsors from giving up on multimillion dollar contracts supporting event organizers.
Floyd mentioned that WADA spends less now on testing, as a percentage of budget.
I guess they accomplished their goal:
(hypothetically)
"Gee, Coca-Cola, isn't it obvious we are 'controlling doping', with this athlete or that team banned from the Olympics?"
Yes I feel this way to, maybe doping should be legal, and just see who is using the best way, according to their performance in Tours, see what records can be set, etc., no more guessing those that want it's fine, and those who don't want to this is fine also.
similar if not greater wattage from espoirs
There is no way testing drugs can be ahead of doping until somebody will find different way like he said lie detector ( which can be forged too ) , or let them do whatever like pros in the olympics now days ( which is not fair to those who have smaller budget ).
So is it safe to say Lance has never come on this show?
Gotta set a line somewhere for safetys sake... blood levels or some thing. If it was a free for all racers hematocrit would be in the 60s and theyâd fall off like flies
Ketone drinks improve power output and recovery I wonder if it has the same effect as EPO
Floyd = legend
Yes go ahead keep making documentaries and talking about the cheats in sport give them attention when what you should do is forget and bury them in the past and ignore them. they crave the limelight so deny them
The Hyproca đ
My favorite part of the doc is seeing lance, still in shape, making sure he gets his workout in before the interview and everyone else is pudgy and old. Completely different mindsets on training and competing.
Letâs be real, we all know who the real winner here is, in racing and in life. Lance just wasnât smart enough to not verbalize his winner mentality off the bike.
A clash of Ego's, had Floyd never broke silence lance would never have gotten caught.
Floyd wanted his turn on the carousel and Lance was just too greedy.
The sport remains dirty because of the $ponsorship, corporate dollars have to flow at the expense of the riders
FilM Corr it wasnât just Lances greed , but you have to remember at that time , Floyd was super radioactive. No way they could have taken him on board without putting a huge doping target immediately on their own backs.
@@litedawg very true! But c'mon lance and his arrogance demanded that because he had returned, that somehow the tour was going to bow to an 8th tour win... precisely why contodor flipped him the bird in 2009.
Lance should have gone to Disneyland!
No idea how the algorithm brought me here, I have only passing interest in cycling with TdF being on at the mo. As an outsider looking on:
Armstrong has psychopathic traits and this brought him down - his unpleasant behaviour towards his teammates and not looking after them when times were tough led to his downfall. If heâd cared for his people, his 7 yellow jerseys would probably still stand. And they should still stand if all his competition were on PEDs. If the fans expect ever faster times, how can the pro cyclists afford to give up drugs?
He was so much better than lance
It seems that the counter argument to a positive test is tainted food/supplement.
Perhaps, much like an driving alcohol test, a certain minimal percentage of banned substance is permitted but anything over is an immediate career jeopardising ban.
The dangerous, life threatening effects of drugs needs to be taken out of the equation.
BTW where is the criminal punishment for taking, distributing drugs as in real life where people have little or no choice and end up in jail for life or worse.
The Postal team made Drugging a Big part of their training. Armstrong and The Team Director where in favor of it. It was Illegal and they got caught. lance was made an example of to save the sport. I do not think even Lance realized what the Tour de France means to the Organization that runs it, and to France.
Until there is an efficient and foolproof system of testing, then all Sports will be suspect. If that ever happens then I might recover my enthusiasm to watch Cycling Events once more.
You just have to accept it's entertainment rather than sport.
@@nickmc1142
sport IS entertainment...
what did you think it was..?
While your attitude is flawless, 'efficient and foolproof' is only a dream.
'When they (WADA) close a door, we just opened two windows' - Tyler Hamilton
Itâs not about testing, lance had actually failed hundreds of tests but UCI etc were complicit bc of the đ° he brought EVERYONE in cycling from his popularity. They literally told him to come up w an excuse when the 1999 cortisone fail accidentally went public.
I have as many Tour de France wins as Lance
The irony is that besides the advertisers who are pushing these athletes to dope it's hilarious that a group of fat, drinking, smoking old men telling some guy that's in the 99.999% fitness of men in the world he's wrong.
In bodybuilding doping is expected which is why is a small sport. Young people view that as not worth doing, in fact we all are humans fighting the titans but if you can conquer the titans with a pill then it would be meaningless.
Enjoyed the interview even after the suggestion of âallowing itâ being offered up as a solution. Just going to offer up that as a parent and former racer there is no way that Iâd have encouraged my lad to take up the sport if he was allowed/pushed to enhance his performances chemically.
How about having life taped for the full year leading to the race ! Feels like it now anyways!
Either it happens in garages or it happens in certified medical facilities.
If you are going into pro sports you have the choice.
The sports governing bodies just can't allow everyone to dope, because that would be illegal in most countries.
It would also be very dangerous. Athletes died in their sleep because their blood was so thick from all the EPO they were taking. And it would be even more dangerous for women athletes. A lot of former former female athletes from East Germany still suffer today from the vast amounts of testosterone they had to take during their career and there is even one case, where a former shot putter decided to become a man. Because the easiest way for female athletes to become better is by becoming more masculine. But sports shouldn't just come down to who is willing to take the largest amount of long term damage on his or her body.
I've grown in respect for Floyd and feel even a greater loss of respect and dislike for Lance!
Shut up
Kevin - Loved watching Floyd Landis on the bike ⊠Greg LeMond is the ultimate in cycling for me and what made my blood boil the most was the wrath of Lance towards them both , especially to Greg LeMond
@@BA-cz4is Are you doping đđ
Interesting how Floyd is implying that Froome and all the other GC contenders are still on the same US Postal Blood Program from that era.
Yeah great point how come he wouldnât change a thing but then he canât forgive Floyd.
Floyd looks a little bit like Sean Bean now. Seems a decent fella, who hasn't lost himself in the process of a strange sports career.
If they just said "all doping is legal" then most of the sponsors of cycling would go away so they'd all make small money. I guess the drug & bicycle manufacturers would become the only sponsors? And if we look at sports with a ton of doping (various kinds of weight lifting) all or almost all their athletes indeed do make small money, and indeed the only sponsors seem to be purveyors of chemicals they are trying to insinuate will help you get strong, and the manufacturers of weights. But actually the real chemicals that really make you strong, steroids, and their manufacturers, do not explicitly sponsor & advertise.
If doping is made legal in professional cycling, all those yellow jerseys need to be returned and younger, and aspiring young cyclists will begin using PEDs and that is not a good thing at all.
Aspiring young cyclists are already using PEDs though. They are going to do it whether you prohibit it or not.
Peak Shlomo ..and you are sure of that because..?
@@Sobchak2 Because they have no choice. Losing doesn't pay, so they adopt a win-at-all-costs approach to competition. This means that some riders, maybe the slightly less talented riders, will use PEDs to give them a chance against the more talented riders. When those less talented riders who use PEDs start beating the more talented riders who are clean, it will only be a matter of time before the clean riders realize they have to use PEDs too. Before you know it, almost every rider who cares about winning is using PEDs. That's where we are at right now, and that's where we've always been for the last 50 years. That's why Lance started using PEDs. He went over to Europe and was being beat by guys he knew weren't his equal. So he started doing the same drugs they were doing. Once Lance had the same advantages they had, he started annihilating them.
Why didn't they ask about Floyd's mother throwing him under the bus on TV?
Really?
@@SKILLIUSCAESAR without skill, you can't look it up yourself. I'm too tired of the internets people to do it for you.
@@scotthite1089 wow, I was simply surprised to hear it.
Jan Ullrich has changed a bit.
Pro sports and racing for money? Tigers eat meat. Race for money and there is meat to eat. Why ask tigers to not behave like tigers? That seems insane.
Seems everyoneâs doing it. Just legalise it, drug problems gone in an instant. No more bribes, corruption, seeking political favours or spending money on expensive drug testing.
Where would Lance be if he had never doped? He'd probably the owner of a couple bike shops in Austin or something... having doped, he earned 125 million and kept most of it even after getting caught, he wasn't charged criminally, and a lot of people still consider him the TdF winner even though he lost the official titles... society's message seems to be, if you can handle the public shaming, you're better off doping and getting busted than never doping at all.
People still consider him the TdF winner because his competitors doped, and the winners before and after him doped -- and none of their titles were stripped. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but putting all of the blame on Lance doesn't actually do much to clean up the sport, and I think people just recognize it as an attempt to sweep a pervasive problem under the rug by throwing everyone's sins on one scapegoat.
Itâs easy to paint Lance as the bad guy and everyone else was a victim of his ruthlessness but that is not how it was.
MCGA
How much money is spent on drug testing ?
How much more could be spent on grassroots sport & drug education instead ?
More stringent testing programmes at underage level to make them safe.
Adult Elite sport, theyâre adults = zero tolerance. One failure & gone. Heavy financial fines for the athlete.
Coaches & doctors linked to numerous athletes are also accountable, punished and may be banned.
Perhaps a percentage of earnings held until end of âcleanâ career.
Taking bets on which alpha will be angry for longer - Michael Jordan @ Isiah Thomas or Lance Armstrong @ Floyd Landis =)
I have been pushing for Dana White to set up UFC Landis vs Armstrong. It would be legendary.
Gold. Has to be Lance. Isiah was just a dirty player and refused to shake hands after a playoffs defeat. Floyd broke the omertĂ and ended careers.
The question that needs to be asked ... At which point did the Governing body knew ???????
As he did have Cancer .. Look at the bigger picture Imagine the backlash if they had openly accuse someone who was recovering from Cancer to be cheating . It's a sure as hell garuntee that the sponsorship of the event would have ceased .. overnight . Because companies would not want to associate themselves with a Sport whose officials .. accusing someone that had cancer to be a cheat .
People would view as people within the sport being jealous of his success ..
He won the darn thing 7 times .. So inturn they had to have known and saw him as a cash cow he raised the profile of the event to a far larger Audience .. FACT .. it's a no brainer
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Lance admitted UCI knew and helped him cover up failed test in his first TDF win in 1999.
Thatâs why its such an unfair epidemic, for the reasons u said, it was worth them covering for him.
are these boys supposed to be good interviewers
âThe average cyclists can go out and average 315 watts.â Uhhhhh....what?!?! Average?! Heâs lost his mind.
315 ftp? nothing very special
Yea he is right? 315 is avg cat 1/2
I have 290 ftp and I don't even compete.
Depends on the weight of the cyclist ...
He said average cyclist not average Cat 1/2 racer!
No matter how anyone feels about Armstrong, one thing is certain... NEVER TRUST ANYTHING HE SAYS
Clinical sociopath đ
Stop at nothing documentary is much better. It shows the kind of monster he was to friends and teammates and how he ruined people. ESPN basically just excuses him. Sure, all cyclists dope and that's fine. That's how i know cycling to be and it's still beautiful to me. But Armstrong lost me after seeing how cruel he was to close ones.
completely agree.
Right, I had no idea the yellow media darling was such a utterly garbage person till watching that and Gibney flick..
Great content but he did not say he was clean when he came back. He admitted to doping in every tour in his interview with Oprah.
I believe Lance said every tour victory. But he has a strong history of lies.
He admitted to 7 dirty tour wins but adamantly denied using during the 2 comeback tours (despite even a dirty test that came out later showing a probable blood transfusion)
UCI is there to make money and not to do the real job. Cycling is always get single out when doping is in all sports. Floyd move on and has a positive mind and Lance is still bitter.
Has anyone actually thought they tollerate it? It is a way of keeping the riders in check? If they don't play the game a random test is called? Froome gets caught, nothing happens. Pantini gets caught, all of a sudden when he doesn't let others have an advantage? I say everyone has a finger in the pie and once in, no one wants to rock the boat. So it is a status quo.
Why don't you admit that to get into Pro cycing to begin with you were doing steroids and anything you could find? Why doesn't Floyd cop to his reputation of jacking more drugs than any other guy on Postal? That's what they did. Even the Juniors were doing steroids in the USA. Because the HS football guys in the USA had roids back in the 80's... so every successful cyclist back then, and the collegiate guys were all doping.
I don't know what is with this doping thing everybody is condemning as if only few athletes were cheating. Every single professional athlete is doping !!!!!!! One method or another doping is present in every sport and that is it. To maintain highest level of performance is impossible without extra support. Our bodies can not recover quick enough or rebuild fast enough after competition in order to compete in another and another and another. it's not like they play one game or have one have race or one fight a year. they play games every other day, they compete every other week, they travel all over the world, different climates, different altitudes, not to mention huge physical and psychological pressure, all that takes a big chunk out of everybody so expecting those athletes to perform always at their best is just plain stupid, unless they have some tricks and ways to quickly recover and doping is a part of that.
So in my opinion doping should be legalized , vast majority of athletes are doing it anyway so what is the point of constant policing and pretending that some organization is trying to clean up the sport. that will never happen so i suggest to drop this idiotic idea.
Landis has turned into jan ullrich!!
He hosts the biggest podcast covering the Tour De France. I'd say he's doing pretty well given the circumstances.
You can't have legalize doping. There are Managers whos calculations are. One wins the rest die = success.
24/7/365 monitoring is the solution.
Curt and the others I have respect for. But Lance is pathetic
They are grown men on bicycles and the careers are fairly short, if it"s gonna speed up recovery and put on a better "show" I say go for it. Let them do what they do. They are adults making adult decisions. It"s just entertainment anyway.
Landis was an amazing rider but correct me if I am wrong. He sued Lance and got paid< that;s just wrong dude.. He basically blackmailed Lance out of money. That;s crossing the line in my book - He snitched him out which is super screwed up for a so called friend to do but then to sue him. That;s nuts , if any one of your friends did that to you I think you would know where Lance is coming from. You can forgive people like that but you cannot let people like that back in your life under no circumstances if not alone to protect your family and self.
The world is brutal and full of zasadzkas ;)
Here is what happens if doping were legal. Riders would be dead on a regular basis. If you think that is an overstatement, just realize , that is in fact what was a driving force in the crack downs. Cyclist were dying in there sleep because they were doping at levels that casued Heart Attacks, Strokes, etc.. www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/aug/02/blood-doping-what-is-it-and-has-anyone-died-as-a-result-of-it
Use to be a big fan of cycling races but after learning the mentality and the events that keep happening I don't care to watch the Pros race anymore. I believe they all still cheat.
If they all cheat, then it's not really cheating. Think about it.
Regardless, The big money teams just like in car racing have an advantage, so as UAE won this year !
You snitched because you was upset dude? Wow ... thats awesome lmao
It's not as if Lance won the tour, the giro and the world champs in the same year.. Oh wait our lad did.. He did it on Galtee Cheese and French bread thođ„đ§đ€
Not going to argue that Roche was clean, but that was long before the EPO years. Winning the Giro/Tour double was not that unusual back then, especially when all the big names were out. Hinault retired, LeMond shot and Fignon still struggling to comeback. The Worlds win was more tactical than anything, having Kelly in the lead group probably won that Worlds for Roche.
Floyds been banging on about how everybody is still doing it for years but the power statistics and the boring races now suggest this is not the case. I think he would be the first to admit he has absolutely no connections to the current sport.
All you had to do was to fall in line... You couldn't even do that. Just threw your toy's out the pram...
If Lance had just done the smart thing and given him a team place it would have probably all gone away, Lance knew what a liability Floyd was but he turned his back on him because he thought he was untouchable
One scammer and cheat commenting about another. Oh wait, this scammer took money straight outta people's pockets for his defense and then sued the other. And you had him on why? Go away and peddle your weed Floyd.
as much as i hate lance, this landis head is not very stable either.